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Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 | 04:46 AM
Just watching in M,
YOU ARE CORRECT!!!!! I am an old fart that just hates people that try to destroy others dreams and when it comes to destroying an old man in the grave I fight like hell!!!! NO ONE DESERVES TREATMENT LIKE THAT!!! |
Frederic
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 | 10:05 AM
Stephen, I totally agree with what you said. The one thing I've learned about the horse community, regardless of breed, is that there are cliques, and if you're not part of a certain clique, there's going to be smack talk and back-stabbing. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 | 02:34 PM
Fredric,
I do not care what the blood line of a horse is, the horse is what is important not the people that try to show "their" superiority. The animal (horse) deserves the love and respect of those they have served for hundreds and even thousands of years, no matter what the breed.
In all sincerity, that is all I have been trying to say on this blog.
Leave the old man in the grave and let the horse he championed live on.
Stephen |
god damn
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 | 11:26 AM
*YOU ARE CORRECT!!!!! I am an old fart that just hates people that try to destroy others dreams and when it comes to destroying an old man I fight like hell!!!! NO ONE DESERVES TREATMENT LIKE THAT!!!*
Take it easy, calm down. You are all excited. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 | 03:13 PM
To God Damn In...
Thank you sincerely, you are probably correct however just so you know, I have always been passionate when it came to standing up to someone taking advantage of another especially when the person being wronged was not able to take care of him or herself. It is just who I am, hate me, love me or reject me, I am who and what I am and I will always stand up for the one being trampled on. (Gosh that is what our country used to be all about) or at least that is what I thought our country was all about.
Anyway, thanks for your comment, it really meant a great deal to me to see someone simply saying "take it easy". Keep Riding and take care of all the horses!!! They deserve our love and respect! |
Bill Womack
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 | 05:16 PM
I am looking for others the Codey museum has turned away. There is a big hole in Codey's story. I found that the records of Codey's employment burned very close to when the Marshal records at Paris Texas and Fort Smith Arkansas burned. This seems to have been some what selective fires in the record departments. I do not care about someones personal wrongs or tall tails. I just want to find why some of the early Codey demonstrators are treated as though they never happened. Please no crap or resentment comments. Looking for the truth. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 | 05:26 PM
Bill,
There is a web site coming back on line by friends and family of the people that Hopkins worked with. I hope very much that the old man and lady are still living but if not their children and grandchildren are. I will do what I can to help you as I would love to see some of the smugness put to rest. email me anytime .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).
I am no flake just check me out on line H. Stephen Shehane (I wrote none of the listing or postings). |
sapphire
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 | 11:03 AM
If you want information on Hopkins, this is the place to go.
http://www.thelongridersguild.com/hopkins.htm |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 | 12:47 PM
Sapphire,
Thank you but I have recently found out that even Cody's Museum does not have accurate records.
I have hopefully stated my stance that I really do not care how many the lies the old man told what I truly care about is the fact that he did, no question about it, champion the Mustang Horse... I am not stuck on Mustangs, I am stuck on horses. Any person that will champion a horse cannot be all bad, at least in my book.
The horse has served mankind for at least 2,500 years or more. We as the "human" owe it to them to protect them and give the respect they deserve as they have done nothing except serve us when called upon.
Hon, that is all I have truly been trying to say in my postings. OK, off my soap box.
I am certain the old man Hopkins lied like hell and made up stories, so what there are very few old men that have not made up big tales and yarns that had very little to do with what was true, the fact is the old man did stick up for the Mustang. Thanks for your information. Stephen |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 | 04:15 PM
Check out this link: This controversy has been going on for years but there must be something to the tales of his being a endurance racing champion and Hildalgo was apparently real:
Link.
Link shortened by Moderator. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 | 04:22 PM
IF the link did not work just google American Heritage Center at the University of Wyoming the search for Frank T. Hopkins...I think all of you including myself will be shocked at the letters and correspondence you find from, on and about Hopkins. I am thinking if the old man was still alive he might have a great liable case against long distance race association as well as Buffalo
Bill's museum but from what I have seen he did not care about anything but the Mustang. Don't just read one letter, read all of them and get educated...Sure the man probably blew his stories so out of proportion that they were too far fetched to be 100% true but hey he told them they are here but guess what SO IS THE MUSTANG! |
sapphire
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 | 12:45 PM
He wouldn't have any *libel* case; in fact, not only would Hopkins lose big, he'd probably have to pay the other side's court costs. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 | 12:52 PM
In order to prove libel it is my understanding that all that has to be proven is that the person "writing" has intent to inflict harm or to discredit with intent to inflict harm and defamation. Think about it. Again, I do not care if the old man did anything, I think he did but as he got older the stories grew with the telling, I have known many old men that have done this, SO WHAT, the one simple fact is Hopkins did work with horses and he did champion the mustang and for that fact alone, I am a fan. He cannot defend himself, so here I sit defending someone I never met simply because of 2 reasons 1st he did champion the American Horse and 2nd he is dead and in the grave and cannot defend himself. If you stood up for any breed of horse and got slammed like this old man, hell I would defend you. The horse is what is important. The horse has served mankind for centuries it is our turn to serve them! OK, I am off my soap box. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 | 01:14 PM
Sapphire, I am honestly not trying to argue but thought this would be good for you to read. Again, my real desire is to defend someone that stood up for the horse and cannot defend himself. I do not care if his tall tales were so blown out of proportion that they became nothing but tall tales.
Definition of libel: use of print or pictures to harm someone's reputation. Until 1964, a person could prove that they had been libeled simply by showing that the statements in question were incorrect. In 1964, the Supreme Court decided that public officials had to prove that the statements in question were made with "actual malice"-for the purpose of harming the person's reputation. As a result of the Supreme Court case, Time, Inc. v. Firestone (1976); private individuals only have to prove negligence, rather than "actual malice," on the part of the press. A malicious publication expressed either in print or in writing, or by pictures, effigies, or other signs, tending to expose another to public hatred, contempt, or ridicule. Such publication is indictable at common law. Published material meeting three conditions: The material is defamatory either on its face or indirectly; The defamatory statement is about someone who is identifiable to one or more persons; and, The material must be distributed to someone other than the offended party; i.e. published; distinguished from slander. A publication which is calculated to injure the reputation of another by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule. As one can see, the legal definition of libel revolves around the maliciousness of the act and the harm it has caused. The act of libel, according to the law, has to be in written or visual form such as an article or photograph and has to somehow damage the reputation of a person or business in some way where the courts are the natural place to resolve the claims. |
sapphire
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 | 04:02 PM
Like I said, Frank Hopkins, if he were here today, wouldn't have a case for libel against anybody who called him on his BS. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 | 08:41 PM
Sapphire,
Whatever, I again do not want to fight with you but I think he very well could have a case but the fact in my mind is even if he did not have a case he did love the horse and as far as I am concerned that gives him great leeway for making any tall tale he wants. Enjoying the bantering but honestly only truly care about the horses. I sincerely hope you have a wonder week. |
dan walker
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 | 04:26 AM
after watching hidalo....the movie... i went to the internet to look up facts about the movie...just couldnt understand the harsh commets on this movie...ok the race may be not real...so what..wouldnt a race like that be great if there was one...i also never heard of long distance races in general until i watch this movie.i grew up with quarter horses... and short distances races i know of...people are very hard and mean on frank hopkins... you know theres not much truth on the old west in general about anybody...its all tall tales from writers from the eastnewspapers...i watch the movie again...some had to save the mustang,.just like the buffalo...otherwise they would of died away....and cowboys were black in the old west not many whites ..so we have to change every cowboy movie from now on with more black cowboys in them ....to make it real... not the john wayne type of westerns....i myself thought hidalo was good movie..it show the good values in all the people in it that had good hearts..and the bad side in people as well... and how people can change after a hard struggle.... to slam a man whos been dead for 59 years... is shameful on your part....if he did what he said he did or not.. doesnt bother me at all...there probably a man or two like him from the old west that had his beleifs or courage to do what he did anyway..that wasnt notice in writing or in any history books....facts from the old west are hard to find...like the gunfight at the ok corral....or dodge city..or marsall dillon from gunsmoke....i have never read so many attacks on a man like frank hopkins then i had on this movie....buffalo bill didnt do all the things in his life that he said he did...theres no proof what johnny ringo actually did or who was billy the kid.... or was jesse james really kill by bob ford??? i just have to say just enjoy the movie for hat it is...a man coming to peace with his demons and past...not all things should be taken so matter of fact.... |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 | 09:01 AM
Dan, You are absolutely spot on! I am certain the old man blew his stories out of proportion but what story told by an old timer has not been blown out of proportion? The fact still remains Frank Hopkins did champion the Mustang. There used to be a web site that was operated by the family he worked with it is down now but I think they are bringing it back on line after some updates and repair to it. Hopefully we will get to see the site again. |
witch hazel
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 | 08:29 PM
We just care about the truth, that's all. The truth? You've heard of it? |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 | 04:48 AM
Yes I have heard of it but I have also heard of people being mean spirited, hateful, unkind and simply down right mean. So what the old man built a story of false hoods, he was an old man. Again, I say go to the University link I posted weeks ago and see what is there. Some of his tales were not that far from the truth. Again, he was an old man and in the telling the stories grew, One day you will wake up an old lady I promise you, your stories will grow with the telling and then you will have to reap what you have sown. Hopkins DID champion the Mustang that is a fact the man deserves credit for that. What he does not deserve is the mean spirited crap that has been exhibited on this sight. |
Scott Tovey
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 | 03:51 PM
I just watched Hidalgo today after not seeing it for a few years.
Maybe I'm just stupid. I don't know.
Seems to me however, that if finding out the true story of Frank Hopkins is so important to the people that posted in this forum, someone would ask the History detectives to investigate this man's story and do a show on it.
Just seems.
Scott |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 | 05:33 PM
Scott,
There are 2 schools one that simply declares Hopkins was a total fraud and one that says he was not. I know that he championed the Mustang and honestly that is all I care about. These idiots that are trying to destroy a dead old man should be ashamed of themselves and I gladly argue with them only because the man is dead and deserves to rest in peace without people trying to destroy his tall tales. The horse is what is really important however. |
Milton
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 | 07:41 PM
Just as long as people know they are tall tales. Some may be suckered into believing they're true. And some don't really mind if that happens. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 | 07:43 AM
I totally agree with your statement. |
Angelmci
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 | 02:30 AM
You know, there is no way anyone these days can actually prove or disprove anything about Frank Hopkins, or, for that matter, anything else. Face it, folks, records back in those days weren't the greatest in the world. I'm not saying the Ocean of Fire race actually happened, but I'm also not saying a race of the KIND didn't happen. This is what irks me about people these days, they are way too quick to just dismiss any and everything. Sorry to tell you people this, but you don't know everything, and you never will. That's what makes life worth living: mystery and discovery. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 | 06:32 AM
To Angelmci
in USA
Amen!!!!! |
witch hazel
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 | 05:54 PM
It's all been disproven, Angelmci. You're not listening. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 | 06:23 PM
Witch Hazel,
What has been disproven? If you mean the race, it has not, (a good example of this is a man that had an ancestor that actually worked for Buffalo Bill Cody, has proof of it and yet the museum says he did not, gosh sound like Hopkins doesn't it) if you mean Hopkins work with Mustangs was disproven, then you are sadly mistaken as it has been proven true. If you mean the BS Hopkins told about other things then I again repeat, so what he was an old man and his tales grew with the telling. Why are you so hell bent on destroying an old man who is in the grave. Why not just enjoy the tales and realize the old did champion an animal that has served mankind for centuries?
Again, I do not care what lies the old man told, I care that he championed the horse. The only reason I stay on this blog is to fight arrogant pricks that want to destroy an dead old man's stories and seem to forget the good he did. |
Angelmci
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 | 01:06 AM
If you say so, but I don't think it can ever actually be proved false. Why, you may ask? The people that disproved it WEREN'T THERE. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 | 07:31 AM
Angelmci in USA
You are spot on correct!!!!! Way to go!!! |
Arnold
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Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 | 06:30 PM
Too bad this horse was championed by a pathological liar. LOL |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 | 04:27 AM
It takes somebody really brave to smart off about a dead man. Hey Arnold how does it feel to be brave? No one really cares about the old man's lies what those of us that care, do care about is the horse. I can't wait to see you old and decrepit telling your whale stories. It will happen if you live to be old. Stories grow with the telling by old men. So get over it brave boy. |
Arnold
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 | 06:58 PM
Ha, ha, ha. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 | 08:17 PM
Arnold, Grow up and realize that there are things beyond your trying to destroy. You ARE trying to destroy and I will not back down from you crap. The old man is dead. you are fighting legend, do you think for a minute all the legends from George Washington to the Alamo are 100% correct. If you do you are the biggest fool to walk the face of the earth. Again grow up and just let an old mans tells be what they are tells and remember that he did champion the Mustang. Give the old man credit for that and stop trying to destroy his legacy. Continue and you prove your self to be a real fool. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 | 10:02 AM
FSE123
in QATAR
Can you prove your statement though? I cannot prove what I "think" and neither can you! Why not just let this cynicism go and enjoy the "fact" that a man tried to champion a breed of horse? |
Arnold
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 | 09:38 PM
Why can't you just face the fact that Frank Hopkins was a fraud? |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 | 12:15 AM
Why can't you face the fact that Him being a fraud is not what is important. What is important, and it can be proven, is that he championed the cause of saving a breed of horse. I simply do not like people that attack someone that cannot defend themselves. It is cowardliness of the first degree. Leave the fairy tale alone and let the good live. Who cares if the old man blew his tales up. I am certain every time he told them they grew with the telling, SO WHAT! |
Angelmci
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 | 02:16 AM
Stephen Shahane, thank you for your affirmation of what I had to say. Also, you're correct. I don't care who you are, any time you tell a story, you tend to embellish. I'm not saying that everything Hopkins had to say was true, but there is more at stake than that. For example, talk to a fisherman, any fisherman. When he tells you a story about a big fish he caught, it may start out at ten feet long, then it's twenty, next thing you know he's telling you about a thirty foot long fish. Did Hopkins embellish like this? Probably. Does it matter? Not really. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 | 07:27 AM
Angelmci, First you are welcome and second I was brought up in a home where I was taught to stand up for those that could not defend themselves. This old man is dead and gone and cannot defend himself or even prove anything he has said. However, it is a historical fact that he defended the Mustang breed. No matter what else he said or told he did stand up for that breed of horse. Therefore the dead old man deserves for someone to stand up for him. Well here I am. I raise my horses not to make a profit but to improve the breed. Hopkins was a better man the I because he fought for them, stood up for them and gave his life for them. I hope someone one day stands up for me when I cannot stand up for my self. |
Arnold
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 | 04:41 PM
Quit wasting your time on that con artist. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 | 06:06 PM
Arnold, everyone seems to be missing my point just like I believe I am missing theirs. First I am not missing the point that the old man told whoppers. I am just saying I have good evidence that he did as a matter of fact champion the Mustang and for that I appreciate him for his lies, well, every old man has his tall tales and I can forgive an old man. Heck one day (probably tomorrow) I will be old also and I hope people will simply listen to any tall tales I tell and just appreciate a good story. I do not for one minute believe everything in the movie nor in the stories the old man told but I do again know he championed a breed of horse and for that he deserves appreciation. No harm no foul. |
Mike
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 | 01:34 PM
Maybe Frank is a liar and Hildalgo never existed it"s still a great story. And theres nothing new about Hollywood pulling the wool over the publics eyes. So why are all you people comeing down so hard on Frank. We all need something to believe in so why not a mythical horse and rider. I find that easier and less harmful to believe in than our present goverment. The man sold a few books and told a few bed time stories did he really hurt anyone. Did it make your taxes up or raise the price of gasoline? Quit sweating the small stuff people concentrate on whats important. KEEP SMILING... |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 | 02:02 PM
The only thing I honestly care about is that the old man cared about a horse. I could get vulgar but choose not to. Caring for a horse is far more important to me that any lies told. |
Aria Pierce
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 | 08:54 PM
The interesting part of reading most of these comments is that you don't understand. In the old days, people told stories, they were credited for it. Frank T. Hopkins cared about horses, and he became an inspiration to people. It doesn't really matter if the story is true or not. Everyone exaggerated things in the past. Presidents, politicians, story writers, adventurers, travelers. Everyone does. For those researching this story like myself, I applaud you, just make sure you get hard base facts to check on and can be proved. Either by document, by someone who was there or anything else. For those bashing it, think on account that you are basing it about some bias opinions, stories and facts from organizations and sites that are on the web. Heck, if we bashed people's exaggerations, we might as well bash everyone. Don't bash unless you know the story.
Gracie. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 | 09:50 AM
I could not agree with you more! I still care about the simple fact that this man (documented fact) did care about a breed of horse and for that simple reason I am a fan. The man died the year I was born so of course I know nothing about him except what I have read. I do know from talking to people who's family worked with the man that Frank Hopkins did devote himself to the Mustang and for that I stand up for him. |
Aria Pierce
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 | 01:21 PM
Back up those that there are proven facts about. And I agree with you. Lots of people don't get the fact that he cared about horses and argued for them. And stories are based on fact, either by a person's word or by documents. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 | 01:55 PM
There is a site that is down for updating that was put up by the family that Frank Hopkins worked with which has proof of his dedication to the Mustang. There is also a University that has documents. Go back through the blog and you can find the site as I am the person that posted it. You will be amazed. |
Aria Pierce
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 | 02:43 PM
I will. And thanks. 😉 |
Daniel
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 | 02:04 AM
Mike...obviously the truth doesn't matter all that much to you, but it does to some people. Frank Hopkins was a compulsive liar. Face it, and accept that he's not worth defending. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 | 02:13 AM
Frank Hopkins was an old man. When you get old I will bet your stories get bigger with the telling. You cannot prove or disprove his stories nor can I. The one thing that can be proved is that he championed the cause of a breed of horse and for that reason and that reason alone I stand up for the man. |
Arnold
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 | 11:15 AM
Not every story is based on fact. Some are completely made up, like Hopkins' fairy tales. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 | 11:35 AM
Hopkins caring about the Mustang is not a fairy tale. For you to attack an old man that is now dead shows your character and frankly your character is poor. The man cannot defend himself so you attack him what a looser. |
Arnold
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 | 03:32 PM
But he was a compulsive liar. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 | 04:13 PM
I honestly do not care that he might have been a compulsive liar. He is not the first and will not be the last. What I care about is that he honestly cared about the Mustang. I care about the horses. I honestly could care less about a what tall tales a man tales as long as he is doing something good for the horses, no matter what breed.
I defend this man simply because he cared for the horses.
I state again every tall tale had to begin with some truth but just grew with the telling. That is what happens when men grow old, their tall tales grow and grow...give Hopkins a break and appreciate the fact that he did love the Mustang Horse. |
Arnold
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 | 02:54 PM
But he's a compulsive liar! |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 | 10:13 PM
He cannot now be called a compulsive liar. He is dead. Don't you get it? Dead. All you are doing is picking on someone that cannot defend their self which begs the question "what does that make you?
Again, I don't care about the tall tales, I care about one proven fact: He did champion a breed of horse. |
Arnold
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 | 08:11 PM
Maybe, but he was a compulsive liar. |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 | 08:33 PM
He was an old man. The tales of old men grow with the telling. Give him a break and appreciate the fact that he did champion a breed of horse that was scheduled for slaughter. What is wrong with you that you cannot appreciate that fact and just want to destroy? Are you so bitter at life that you cannot understand human frailties and the need to be accepted? The old man did do something good and yet you want to destroy? What does that make you? |
Student
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 | 04:58 PM
I am doing a report on this material. My project was to watch the motion picture "Hidalgo." We are to write 3-5 pages with details on fact or fiction. That means I'm trying to find if the movie "Hidalgo" was really based on a true story. I'm having a hard time on finding information on Frank T. Hopkins because all of the evidence I scramble up are scatter brained. Is there any great websites that have great info? |
Stephen Shehane
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 | 06:07 PM
There was a site put up by a family that Hopkins worked with but it went down for repair and I do not think it has come back up yet. I think most of the movie was a fabrication but I have been able to confirm that Hopkins was totally committed to preserving the Mustang. I will try to help you as I can. I am in and out of the country now on a couple of projects but can be reached either here or via my email. If you want me to work with you let me know. I would happy to help. |
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