The Museum of Hoaxes
DNA Perfection ??
Posted By:
Archana Padhye
Jun 28, 2004
 A site by Toby Alexander :
http://www.dnaperfection.com

claims about something like remote DNA Activation!! I searched web about the authenticity about the said things but could find nothing!

Can anybody throw light upon ?

Thanks.
Category: Scams; Replies: 394

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Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 | 09:40 AM
<i>The genetic experiements that took place in Atlantis that altered the human DNA were very real</i> - Trish

Prove it.

Basically, this whole thing is simply a pile of crap supported by wild assertions with ZERO proof that any of it works or is true. Try providing PROOF and maybe rational people will start believing.
Paco
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 | 07:20 PM
yo charbdis i think u should prove it to trish that it atlantis doesn't exist, and that she's full of crap u sound like ur experienced with prove stuff so u proove it to us and maybe we'll stop taking atlantis so seriously
Paco
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 | 07:55 PM
im joking about atlantis i guess u figured but seriously check out this hoax http://www.hhfe.org, can anyone shed any light on this?
paco
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 | 07:57 PM
it's also at another address http://www.hhfe.net, worth checking out, trust me
startech
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 | 10:18 PM
There really is no such thing as "proof", nor is there such a thing as "believing". Both of those shadow processes are human inventions to mask the ego's inability to engage, "I don't know."

When those processes were started, the human mind was phase locked into hierarchical spatial progression. Knowing that the earth was flat, and that all sustenance (rain, sunlight) came from above, an ascending order was constructed to establish the nature of existence. This same "logical" order was later prostituted to sustain concepts of Highest Cause or God, and the necesity for Highest Humans, Kings and Priests. Thus, your human class consciousness began and while it is false, various cultural hangovers cling to such hierarchical authoritarian models to this very day.

The nature of argument, both philosophical debate as well as scientific method, has been erroneously directed to arrive at conclusion, or proof.

Consider that I as creator, did not program such. That instead of trying to form consclusions, perhaps a greater sense of a greater freedom that I have provided for would have you continuously opening windows. Instead of step by step hierarchical progression terminating with a highest, perhaps you are part of an omni vector (directional)of continual progression that expands exponentially as it vibrates from a crest that you would point within ( what humans call internal), to any variable crest that you would plot without (or external). In other words, you are free from limitation. And you can self direct. This is just one of the things you can learn, not only in language, but in experience as you evolve and activate more of your DNA.

Beware of those who will try to lead you away from your birthright to fully activate your potential. There are those who will put down Toby and other teachers just to manipulate you to follow their own process. That has been the way of the ruling class, both priest and politician, for many years. It is also the way of the fearful and less enlightened. Enjoy Toby and all the teachers, for you are one too.
Enjoy your journey.
PaNo
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 | 11:41 AM
Dear Friend startech,

That was Wonderful Thank you.

PaNo
Charybdis
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 | 01:13 PM
What blows my mind is how anyone can listen to this bullshit and believe it. Everything startech said is completely nonsensical. Nobody could understand it because it doesn't even describe real concepts. If you can't understand what someone is saying, how can you possibly give them your money? Are you that stupid?
PaNo
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 | 01:34 PM
Hello Dear Charybdis,

Did you thought the possibility maybe you are the only one who can't understand?
If you believe you are "in Hell" as you saying
then "Hell" is going to manifest for you my Friend, because you are a powerful manifestation machine.So be careful what you are thinking.

Love and Light
PaNo
Charybdis
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 | 01:38 PM
Sorry PaNo, but that's not a real concept either. Things won't manifest because I think of them. That has never, ever been shown to actually happen, so why would you believe it? Is it because you <i>want</i> to believe it and simply ignore all logic and evidence to the contrary?
Charybdisimpersonator
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 | 10:37 PM
Go Charybdis and screw off 'fawking air head' who is so childish. And retarded Startechnotron who condescends to be a creator, you people belong in the lunatic fringe, either get sane or go for some of that good ole' 'illuminati mind control' programing at your scientology classes, get some NLP done why don't you, spin your fury little DNA strands in the cosmic cusinart, or is that extraterrestrial coffee grinder sound from 80004444 trillion light years still getting to you!
Charybdisimpersonator
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 | 10:49 PM
Alright pAino, Startech, it's pay out time, I just gave you an initiation right there and your DNA just went up a notch in the cosmic cusinart, and I removed the unbearable E.T. coffee grinder for so many aeons ago, so I am expecting a fat check for $5000.00 No self-reflecting self-proclaimed, PaBlUbba Atlantian channel, high class Kahuna would take any less, so open up your checkbooks lightworkers of the 5th Ray, you will be blessed continuously if you both seriously honour your healing, because I am a High Priestess of the 12th dedaquadrant of the Plieadian Hierogasmos. Lov n Light n hahahahahaha
startech
Member
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 | 12:31 AM
Your $5000 is on its way.
Enjoy your journey.
Ralph Cremshaw
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 12:30 AM
Remember...This life is your dream...You don't need someone offering to help you, you are all you need to progress spiritually. It's very similar to any belief system. Faith. Whatever you want you can acquire by belief. This is why Toby's process works for some and not for others. If you believe your $400 dollars was worth it, it's because you believe, if it doesn't work it's because you don't believe. What $$$ is your spirituality worth to you? In this life...is it the right path or the easy one that provides the proper soil for the seed to grow. Nothing in this life is free...but does it need to have a dollar amount attached? There are no answers except the ones you find and embrace as your own. I offer no answers. Seeking those answers are the purpose of life...To continually learn and better yourself along the way. There are no shorcuts, only lessons that weave each individuals dreams through this life. Love is the path no matter what you choose to call it...
MATT
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 | 06:58 PM
Hi everyone

Just wanted to make a quick comment. Toby was wrong about one thing he said way earlier on. He was saying that this website is vibrating on a low frequency which I must admit I kinda felt the first time I came onto it. Judging by the people that have come and posted on it since tho, nothing could be further from the truth !! It's quite amazing the calibre of people this thread has attracted. My sincere thanks from the bottom of my heart to everyone that has shared such pearls of wisdom that have been made here.
With Love and Compassion.
Binata
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 08:37 AM
here's how it is: DNA, like quantum physics, is VERY MYSTERIOUS and SPECIAL. for example, it is in your blood, and you die if you lose all your blood. also, as we all know, your ancestry is in your blood.

two things follow:
(A) people don't know anything about it, so it is easy to fool them
(B) people don't know anythign about it, and what they do know is that it's VERY IMPORTANT, so mentioning it perks up people's interests and makes incredible claims more believable.

we all know about 'junk DNA,' but they say that scientists don't know what it is.
well, WE know what it is. it contains special stuff, which makes you better and will save you from certain catastrophes and so forth.
and WE know the techniques for activating that secret stuff.

"DNA IS WHAT MAKES YOU! BUT YOU AREN'T REALLY USING 90% OF YOUR DNA. THINK OF ALL THAT WASTED POTENTIAL. YOU COULD BE SO MUCH MORE IF YOU STARTED USING IT! WE KNOW HOW TO ACTIVATE ALL THAT UNUSED DNA."

it appeals to people's hunger for the self-transformation that shows the true potential they knew they had all along, to justify their belief that they are really especially valuable.

it also appeals to the erroneous belief that evolution has something to do with what we would like to be more of (intelligent, beautiful, etc.) and not just fitness to the environment. that it is really somehow driven by someone's desires, the unfolding of a universal plan.
Charybdis
in Hell
 Member
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 12:24 PM
Binata, nothing you just said makes any sense at all. Nothing you state has been proven in any way. It's all completely made up.
Binata
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 10:15 PM
Charybdis,

I think you missed the point entirely.....I was trying to explain why the new agers' faux rational, but I can see you just thought I was promoting dna activation....LOL
It was a parody of why people think they can do this.....Now I think you stand corrected.
Binata
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 10:22 PM
In fact, to be even stronger on my personal views, I think the whole 'dna activation' thing is just new age sex talk for 'sperm in egg'
see then the dna 'activates.' It's a pathetic little way for aging new agers to get sex...
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 | 09:47 AM
Ah, sorry Binata. It's so easy to get used to people spouting off miles of gibberish and being serious about it, making it harder to detect sarcasm. 😉
Binata
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 | 03:47 PM
Charybdis,

Ah no offense taken, back tracking through this forum, i see exactly what you mean, a lot of people mouthing off making almost no-sense. It is pretty hilarious what some people allow themselves to believe, but hey if the tooth-fairy is a DNA activator, let's open the first tooth-fairy DNA activation temple....LOL....

This Toby guy seems to have his finger on the clit of manipulating many people's tragically hip desire to 'BE MORE' than they think they are....why don't they just toss the good ole' sperm in the egg, or the egg at the sperm and see if their progeny might win the genetic lottery in 'BEING MORE' hahahahaa

Either that or it's off to Margaret Cho's colon spa called 'water's gift' for people who think they are 'being more' by 'being-less' in getting rid of their erroneous bullshit....LOL
Betty Flower
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 | 10:37 AM
Ahhh,

Charybdis and Binata- secure in their own ignorance, made for each other!
Binata
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 | 11:46 AM
thanks Betty flower for demonstrating your homophobia(a form of ignorance)

maybe you should get a M.Sc, and
and then you can be part of our DNA activation threesome team to deprogram brainwashed crazies like you into sane well adjusted people and be more qualified to evaluate things such as 'DNA activation'
right now you're just a mental midget getting squashed like a bug
binata
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 | 03:38 PM
Might I also add that gay sexuality and lesbian is what happens when your DNA activates? All of a sudden that DNA gets more intelligent and starts to balance the overpopulation problems by converting you gay.
Betty Flower
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 | 04:24 PM
Binata my dear,

M Sc.`s mean nothing in this day and age. Grow up and get a Ph d. like a real scientist. It`s usually empty vessels like yourself who claim to know it all. Read a little of Edward de Bono and improve your thinking as well (if your ego allows it).
Love and kisses,

B F.

P.S It is you who speak of homophobia, I`m not, but thanks anyway!
Binata
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 | 07:59 PM
Does BF stand for butt fuck?

At least I have credentials and a sound mind...what have you got?
binata
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 | 08:42 PM
you're a 'real scientist'?

By what definitiion? As defined by Edward de Boner? the egoless saint? I have read a number of his works, pure pseudoscience. You don't know what love is....where's your compassion for my ego,
sounds like you're all about ME ME ME. Well just plug your thumbs in your ears, and have reality your way, like a two year old. Real science produces real proof. Produce some real proof of DNA activation as per toby, and maybe we'll start entertaining you...maybe....but with no degree and no understanding of hadronic physics....hmmmm doubtful my dear,
Send me some more of those phony new age ass kisses, those were pretty.
Binata
Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 | 08:50 PM
thanks for acknowledging my advanced enlightened state of immaculate emptiness Shunyata...read the Rg Veda, and then read the Padma and Vajra sutras(if your ego can comprehend them), and let me know if your thinking has improved, instead of reading rehashed stale old thoughts repackaged as 'new thought'
and get real sweetheart.
Betty Flower
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 | 12:19 PM
Binata my sweet,

I rest my case- you haven`t a fawking clue! Try and not take things so personnel- like you`re a complete honking airhead, along with Charybdis of course.
See you ladies in hell- ohhhh..... you`re there already, lol.

Ciao,

B F.

P.S My last post to the legends that are Binata and Charybdis- the third dimensional detectives who`d bring a knife to a gunfight and still believe they`d win the shoot out....... open your minds and shut the fawk up! You know sweet damn all about DNA and then spout off what little you know. Get a room you two!
Betty Flower
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 | 12:37 PM
By the way,

Can somebody please PROVE to me that the Earth is round, because where I`M STANDING (in the garden) it looks pretty flat 😊
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 | 01:27 PM
Okay, keep it civil in here. So far this thread has avoided closure, let's try and keep it that way.

And yes Binata, it's incredibly easy to prove the Earth is round. That was proved over 2000 years ago. Try traveling to the sea and watching a ship sailing over the horizon some day, it's a beautiful site.

Good try though, but sadly one that's been proposed by thousands before you with equally poor luck. Why didn't your 'advanced state' tell you this?

It's easy, if anything you say is true, it should be child's play for you to prove it to us. Go ahead, I await enlightenment.
Binata
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 | 07:23 PM
Hihiiiiiihiiiiiiiiii!

Well this was fun.....
Charybdis, I think you meant BF, or whoever it is.....Toby
probably... Anyway, I'm out, it's been funn joking with y'all.
Binata
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 | 07:27 PM
P.S. Some skepdics have great bullsh-t meters, but shoddy
sarcasm detectors....

-Bye
Binata
Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 | 09:13 PM
Actually,

Charybdis, you're pretty damn smart, you found me out.

I am B F.

You're swifter than I thought.
Charybdis
in Hell
 Member
Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 | 10:40 AM
Sorry Binata, yes I meant Betty Flower. I've been confused for some reason. Maybe I need to clean my DNA. 😊
Binata
Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 | 01:40 AM
Sorry for flaming, bad netiquette.

it's easy to be confused in this place 😜

We better start cleaning our DNA up
so BF can love us better :down:

I am so ashamed of our deactivated DNA,

maybe BF can help us out.
Mychieal
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 04:23 AM
Hey, I've been reading this thread, and, I would like to offer a lot of information regarding the Subject of DNA Activation.
First, to Announce my own <a href="http://www.activatemydna.com">DNA Activation site</a> I am not trying to cut into anyone's fun, and I realise I am the "new kid on the block" but... I have been researching this subject for quite some time, and I have assembled a lot of the Hard, Physical Science behind DNA Activation. If anyone would care to look at my site, and tell me what you think, I'd like to hear your opinion. 😉 Maybe even help you with understanding the different aspects of DNA Activation. So, give it a look over, and if you have questions, Email me, or Email me thru the site. As a new site owner, I don't have all the time I would like to to read my favorite forums, but I do my best too...
Also, Toby, In great respect, I ask this question... What's the difference between Remote Influencing and Distance Reiki (ie, Reiki level 2)? I assume that you were busy when I asked you before.

<a href="http://www.activatemydna.com">DNA Activation using Science!</a>
Thanks all,
-Mych.
Sarnath
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 07:53 AM
Hahahahahaahha!!!!!!
sarnath
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 07:55 AM
hehehe! dna activation, how retarded what a honking airhead..
Mychieal
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 08:33 AM
Why think you, I am glad to see that you can still figure out how to use a keyboard. I must say, I marvel at your ability to use it, can you show me how you do it? I mean, I just can't quite get it, with my IQ only being 187...

Yet, I can understand how codons, DNA, RNA and peptides work.... might want to think about that one, for a minute.
But I am glad that you think that I am an air head.... I'm sure with all of your Doctorates, that you probably know what your doing... I just hope that with all of your mental might, there, that you can actually manage to walk and chew gum at the same time. 😉
Charybdis
in Hell
 Member
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 09:57 AM
Okay Mychieal, I'll let you post your site this once, but I'm not letting you use this as a recruiting ground for suckers. You're running a scam, pure and simple, so don't think you can get tons of free advertising here. Feel free to argue your case, but no recruiting for your site.

P.S. Your IQ simply means you know how to score well on an IQ test, nothing more. It is not an indication of your level of intelligence, and never has been.

Moderator
sarnath
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 10:30 AM
Hahah! oh Archangel Mychieal,
don't take it so personally, open your mind.
Mychieal
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 10:32 AM
No, actually, I am not. I do thank you for letting me post my site, as it would be rather shady not to have a single link to it, to check out.
My side of it... I agree that people do go fishing for "suckers" and try to lure them into a scam. I am not like that, and that *IS* why I set up my site... Because I believe that there should be a standard that DNA Activation is held to, rather than some yahoo clown claiming to be a psychic "remote viewing" and "remote influencing" you... and net effect, your pocket is 1500 bucks lighter, and you have nothing to show for it. Now, that, that is cheap, unethical, and well, gahhh needs to be removed from the gene pool.
I also think that if you are going to pay someone to remote view you, that they should be able to prove to you that they are Remotely Viewing you... and by that, I mean something more than "you have a couch in your living room" no. they should be able to pick out something unique to your house if you ask them as a test "RV My house to prove it."
Having talked to people that participated in the ARV/CRV (Army & CIA remote viewing) research/training program, "if everyone could do it, it would be in the headlines" since it's not, I'd say that not everyone can. Therefore, if someone states that they can, or are going to, they should prove it.
Me, I don't make such claims. I know I haven't had the time to train in it, and well, My plate is full handling 3 kids, and working on my neurobiology degree. My goal here, is not to Prove "Psychic DNA Activations" However, My own personal research has shown that you or anyone else for that matter, can activate different aspects of your DNA, aside from just what is normally active to maintain life.
Also, Any sources that I point out, here, or on my site, I will make sure to include the study & place of conducting the study, or The REPUTABLE Source, like Dr. Bruce H. Lipton, or possibly Jeremy Narby, Ph.D., Or Gregg Braden, Computer Scientist, Geologist, And former Employee of JPL/Nasa, just to name couple of many that I have studied, as part of my research. Also, you won't find me talking or citing anything Channelled, except maybe something I saw on my TV, which is where Channeling belongs... and then I'll happily limit it to the Discovery channel, History channel, or possibly, Nova on PBS.
Is that fair?
I'm not after anyone's money, and if it wasn't for the fact that I am the one paying for my site, and I have mouths to feed, I'd freely give the activations away, just for the simple fact that I know it's Real. It Works. It's not Psychic Mumbo Jumbo. It's based on Facts, Figures, Science (Mostly Molecular biology & Cellular biology, but other things too, like my Beloved Neurobiology.)

What's your side based on? I'd like to know, so I can see your point too.

If you're up to a good debate, with out the ignorance of Flaming, Name calling, and other middle school antics, I'll gladly discuss it with you, and show what I have found, in my research... and what I will subsequently be writing my thesis on, when I get to that point.
The only request that I have, is that you approach this intelligently, and with courtesy, and I promise I'll do the same.
if you're going to act like some of the lesser evolved life forms on this forum, and call me retarded and a air head, because your viewpoint cannot address logic, fact and research... then delete my account, and I'll look for intelligent life, and conversation elsewhere.
But, I am really hoping for something Intelligent, instead of the alternative.
Mychieal
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 10:44 AM
sarnath, in Ireland wrote: Hahah! oh Archangel Mychieal, don't take it so personally, open your mind.
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Sorry, I'm annoyed that People like Toby, and that Marlana lady have made something I am actually interested in, look like a bunch of Spooks, and jerks that just want your cash.
I don't claim to channel anything except for my tv sometimes, and that's only when I can find the bloody remote 😊
The only reason why I even posted my site here, was that I wanted intelligent skeptical cnversation. I'm not out to convince anyone, nor amy I here looking to fight anyone. from the first page of this thread, it looked like there was potential for good conversation here.
that, is what I am really after. I really don't think that I am going to plop down a ton of links, and get a great google ranking, as there are over 12 million hits for a search on DNA Activation. I actually have a different goal in mind... I want to set a standard, to get the quacks, and the charlatans, and the pseudo psychic bs OUT of DNA Activation, and to get real science IN.
Mychieal
Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 | 11:41 PM
Here's something to think on, and is sourced from http://www.brucelipton.com, in the article he wrote on the Human Genome Project.

"Obviously, the complexity of organisms is not reflected in the complexity of its genes. For example the fruit fly genome was recently defined to consist of 13,000 genes. The eye of the fruit fly is comprised of more cells than are found in the entire Caenorhabditis worm. Profoundly more complex in structure and behavior than the microscopic roundworm, the fruit fly has 5000 fewer genes!!
The Human Genome Project was a global effort dedicated to deciphering the human genetic code. It was thought the completed human blueprint would provide science with all the necessary information to "cure" all of mankind's ills. It was further assumed that an awareness of the human genetic code mechanism would enable scientists to create a Mozart or another Einstein.
The "failure" of the genome results to conform to our expectations reveals that our expectations of how biology "works" are clearly based upon incorrect assumptions or information. Our "belief" in the concept of genetic determinism is fundamentally
Betty Flowers
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 | 10:42 AM
Don`t worry about it Mychieal,

Binata is posting as sarnath, and he`s not from Ireland. No Irish man or woman is that thick. He`s still peeved with me, poor little yellow Bin Laden!

Best of luck with your research and analysis Mychieal. You are someone who seriously wants to put this topic under the microscope. Credit to you. Whether you turn out to be correct or not we shall see.
Sarnath
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 | 03:58 PM
I am not Sarnath, and I am a friend of Binata...and he's asked me to come here to have a serious discussion about DNA with the likes of you. I have studied both the new age info on dna activation with a very open mind, and I have also studied a fair bit of run of the mill biology....codons, dna-replication, axons, entrons. You know what i am talking about. So if you are ready, we can have a serious discussion on some of the apparent flows exposed in the new age arguments for DNA activation...and some of the supposed russian experiments etc..
Sarnath
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 | 02:46 PM
firstly with regards to Gregg Braden
and I suggest you look at this book review:
http://www.skepticreport.com/mystics/braden-book.htm
The points made are quite poignant and very convincing.

Ok let's look at some of the proponents of new age dna activation. There's drunvalo melchizedek: ttp://www.theuniversalseduction.com/archives/interview-with-drunvalo-melchizedek--on-advanced-children


"They tested him a year later and he still tested positive. Then they didn't test him again until he was 6, and what was amazing is that this test showed that he was completely AIDS free!
In fact, there was no trace that he ever had AIDS or HIV whatsoever! He was taken to UCLA to see what was going on and those tests showed that he didn't have normal human DNA. In the human DNA we have 4 nucleic acids that combine in sets of 3 producing 64 different patterns that are called codons.
Human DNA all over the world always has 20 of these codons turned on and the rest of them are turned off, except for 3 which are the stop and start codes, much like a computer. Science always assumed that the ones that were turned off were old programs from our past. I've always seen them like application programs in a computer. Anyway... this boy had 24 codons turned on - 4 more than any other human being.'

If Drunvalo had ever studied biology he would not be so ignorant as to presume it is only human dna that contains four nucleic acids, and he would understand that all five kingdoms are composed of them. All living things and all living things have codons as you know, which are not made out of DNA, but rather transfer RNA and an enzyme(protein)...which of course is produced from the dna template, however Drunvalo just glosses over this completely and it sounds like he doesn't know what he is talking about. Then he mentions that this child has four more than 20 codons active out of 64 possible combinations of 4 nucleic acids(4 to the power 4) that would code for 20 amino acids and that the kid spontaneously reversed his aids had a 'super-strong' immune system and yadayadayada
... from what i studied in biology this information is wrong. Furthermore it has nothing to do with DNA becoming more active, it has to do with the increasing the triplet combination of transfer RNAs.So what does that have to do with 'DNA activation'? Not much except for being a great buzzword. Why would having more free amino acids produced be an an evolutionary advantage or result in a high powered immune system? Why is there absolutely no record or evidence for the data of this increased codon activity besides the claims of Drunvalo and Braden? Can you find one? Do you have copies of the test?

In addition, it is believed that the 64 codons, are all the codons biologist have observed to operate through all 5 animal kingdoms, fungi will use different codon sequences out of all possibilites than say the plantae kingdom..the same goes for mamals. So Drunvalo thought humans have 20 codons, they have 23, one is start, one is stop, and the other one is for methionine, if i am not mistaken...the advantage of having more than one codon coding for the same amino acid is that if the genetic code is damaged and can no longer properly assemble transfer RNA for a given codon, it can easily just make use of the other one to link the amino acid in the protein structure.
Mychieal
in Michigan, USA
 Member
Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 | 07:40 PM
Sarnath. At no point have I ever referenced Drunvalo Malch-whatever. While I do respect that He, You, And I am allowed to have their opinions, and You have to respect their right to have their own opinions based off of anything that they believe, Just as you are entitled to your opinion.
I personally, have done everything I can to distance myself from "psychic mumbo-jumbo" as it has been called, I cannot help but to think that if IT WORKS, USE IT. IF IT DOESN'T, THEN DON'T.
Also, Gregg Braden is only 1 of MANY That I have referenced. I do not place all eggs in one basket. I also do not buy outmoded beliefs based upon closed minded viewpoints. Yet, to be fair, since you did suggest that I read the link that you gave, I will do so, and I will let you know my own comments on it.
I am afraid that I will not do such today, however, being that it is mothers day, and I respect both my mother and my wife, so it will have to wait. Fair?
-Mych.
Mychieal
in Michigan, USA
 Member
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 07:59 AM
Actually, Sarnath, his review is rather lame, An nice guy though. He justifies his opinions solely on his word, without ever saying what was said, nor why he really disagrees with it. But I thank you for posting it, because if that's all the evidence that you have, I truly have nothing to fear in this discussion.
Quoted:
Ok let's look at some of the proponents of new age dna activation. There's drunvalo melchizedek: ttp://www.theuniversalseduction.com/archives/interview-with-drunvalo-melchizedek--on-advanced-children


"They tested him a year later and he still tested positive. Then they didn't test him again until he was 6, and what was amazing is that this test showed that he was completely AIDS free!
In fact, there was no trace that he ever had AIDS or HIV whatsoever! He was taken to UCLA to see what was going on and those tests showed that he didn't have normal human DNA. In the human DNA we have 4 nucleic acids that combine in sets of 3 producing 64 different patterns that are called codons.
Human DNA all over the world always has 20 of these codons turned on and the rest of them are turned off, except for 3 which are the stop and start codes, much like a computer. Science always assumed that the ones that were turned off were old programs from our past. I've always seen them like application programs in a computer. Anyway... this boy had 24 codons turned on - 4 more than any other human being.'

And while I never mention Dru on my site, nor in any serious discussion... Though, I found some VERY INTERESTING POINTS on the UCLA Site... care to read? here, I'll post it for you so that others can follow along.
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Mychieal
in Michigan, USA
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 08:02 AM
Miracle on Westwood Blvd.
Next to Ryan White, he's the most famous child in the history of AIDS. But though the baby's name is still unknown in deference to his parents' wishes, the name of the doctor who discovered the first recorded case of an HIV-infected individual vanquishing the virus is now known around the world.

When he was born prematurely to a mother diagnosed HIV-positive, he was just another infant at risk. But because he was born at the UCLA Medical Center, he became one of UCLA pediatrician Yvonne Bryson's babies. A principal investigator for the Los Angeles Consortium for Mothers and Children, heading a number of studies on HIV-infected babies and their mothers at L.A.-area hospitals, including UCLA, Bryson and her colleagues took blood from the baby's umbilical cord and sent it to Irvin Chen's lab at the UCLA AIDS Institute. The boy's cord blood was clean
Mychieal
in Michigan, USA
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 08:04 AM
Now 5, the boy is a sturdy, healthy kindergartner. And what his body did may not be entirely unique. Indeed, Chen and Bryson are following another case of what appears to be viral clearance in a 4-year-old girl. And they've put out the call to their colleagues to come forward with all those anecdotal cases ignored in the past. "This has really opened up a lot of people's minds," says Bryson.
Mychieal
in Michigan, USA
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 08:04 AM
EXPERIMENT #2

These were experiments done by the military. Leukocytes (white blood cells) were collected for DNA from donors and placed into chambers so they could be measure electrical changes. In this experiment, the donor was placed in one room and subjected to "emotional stimulation" consisting of video clips, which generated different emotions in the donor. The DNA was placed in a different room in the same building. Both the donor and his DNA were monitored and as the donor exhibited emotional peaks or valleys (measured by electrical responses), the DNA exhibited the IDENTICAL RESPONSES AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. There was no lag time, no transmission time. The DNA peaks and valleys EXACTLY MATCHED the peaks and valleys of the donor in time.

The military wanted to see how far away they could separate the donor from his DNA and still get this effect. They stopped testing after they separated the DNA and the donor by 50 miles and STILL had the SAME result. No lag time; no transmission time.

The DNA and the donor had the same identical responses in time. What can this mean?

Gregg Braden says it means that living cells communicate through a previously unrecognized form of energy. This energy is not affected by time and distance. This is a non-local form of energy, an energy that already exists everywhere, all the time.
Mychieal
in Michigan, USA
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 08:06 AM
EXPERIMENT #3

The third experiment was done by the Institute of Heart Math and the paper
that was written about this was titled: Local and Non local Effects of Coherent Heart Frequencies on Conformational Changes of DNA. (Disregard the title! The info is incredible.)

This is the experiment that relates directly to the anthrax situation. In this experiment, some human placenta DNA (the most pristine form of DNA) was placed in a container from which they could measure changes in the DNA. Twenty-eight vials of DNA were given (one each) to 28 trained researchers. Each researcher had been trained how to generate and FEEL feelings, and they each had strong emotions.

What was discovered was that the DNA CHANGED ITS SHAPE according to the feelings of the researchers: 1. When the researchers FELT gratitude, love and appreciation, the DNA responded by RELAXING and the strands unwound. The length of the DNA became longer. 2. When the researchers FELT anger, fear, frustration, or stress, the DNA responded by TIGHTENING UP. It became shorter and SWITCHED OFF many of our DNA codes! If you've ever felt "shut down" by negative emotions, now you know why your body was equally shut down too. The shut down of the DNA codes was reversed and the codes were switched back on again when feelings of love, joy, gratitude and appreciation were felt by the researchers.

This experiment was later followed up by testing HIV positive patients. They
discovered that feelings of love, gratitude and appreciation created 300,000 TIMES the RESISTANCE they had without those feelings. So here's the answer to what can help you stay well, no matter what dreadful virus or bacteria may be floating around. Stay in feelings of joy, love, gratitude and appreciation!

These emotional changes went beyond the effects of electro-magnetics. Individuals trained in deep love were able to change the shape of their DNA.
Gregg Braden says this illustrates a new recognized form of energy that connects all of creation.

This energy appears to be a TIGHTLY WOVEN WEB that connects all matter. Essentially we're able to influence this web of creation through our VIBRATION.

Gregg Bradens Books:

The Isaiah Effect
Awakening to the Zero Point
Mychieal
in Michigan, USA
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 08:08 AM
And his research is also backed by a cross reference in the german book written by von Grazyna Fosar and Franz Bludorf, entitled "Vernetzte Intelligenz", ISBN 3930243237. The name means "Networked Intelligence."
However, I am finding startling corss references in the book "The Cosmic Serpent" by Jeremy Narby, Ph.D. [WHo Cross references his information with Mollecular biologists. Should you like, I'll post his references.] and in the book "DNA Healing Techniques: Tools for Physical and Emotional Self-Healing" by Robert V. Gerard, Ph.D.

From "Vernetzte Intelligenz":
"The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one. The latest Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance, intuition, spontaneous and remote acts of healing, self healing, affirmation techniques, unusual light/auras around people (namely spiritual masters,) mind's influence on weather patterns and much more." von Grazyna Fosar and Franz Bludorf

Quoted: If Drunvalo had ever studied biology he would not be so ignorant as to presume it is only human dna that contains four nucleic acids, and he would understand that all five kingdoms are composed of them.

Five? Animal, Vegitable, and Mineral.. Last time I checked, humans were still animals, so they fall under animal kingdom. I guess I could say that insects and bacteria/virii could be lumped into "kingdoms" but I would more say that insects are part of the animal kingdom, and so are virii and bacteria. Atleast according to TLC/Discovery channels. I don't know, maybe it changed since I was last in school...?

Quote: All living things and all living things have codons as you know, which are not made out of DNA, but rather transfer RNA and an enzyme(protein)
Actually, According to the University of Nebraska, All Living things use Codons to make protiens from Amino Acids, and the cells make use of RNA for transcription and production. Sounds to me, like Good Ol' Dru isn't the only one that glosses things over... I thought you wanted to have a REAL DISCUSSION? My Mistake. *smirks*
Mychieal
in Michigan, USA
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 08:11 AM
Quote:...which of course is produced from the dna template, however Drunvalo just glosses over this completely and it sounds like he doesn't know what he is talking about. Then he mentions that this child has four more than 20 codons active out of 64 possible combinations of 4 nucleic acids(4 to the power 4) that would code for 20 amino acids and that the kid spontaneously reversed his aids had a 'super-strong' immune system and...

Well, there are 4x4x4=64 possible combinations, and it's WELL KNOWN, that there are two codons that are automatically used in DNA for transcription purposes, A "Start" and a "Stop" codon, which leaves 62 possible codons. The average human has 20 ACTIVE Codons in the Production of protiens. However in order for Genetics to be self governing [which, I believe in the case of the aids child, it's not... but we'll get into that.] I would quote Noted Cellular Biologist and Prominent Medical Professor, Dr. Bruce H. Lipton, Ph.D., "as a research scientist and medical school professor, I actively supported the perspective that the human body was a "biochemical machine
Mychieal
in Michigan, USA
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 08:13 AM
Quote:... from what i studied in biology this information is wrong. Furthermore it has nothing to do with DNA becoming more active, it has to do with the increasing the triplet combination of transfer RNAs.

Well, Have you taken a look around you lately? Dr.'s, Ph.D.'s, Mollecular Biologists, Quantum Physicists, and Information Scientists ARE ALL STATING OTHERWISE. They are saying almost unilaterally across the board "throw out the current text books, because they are incorrect." The same thing that is said everytime a "Law" in science is broken and replaced with a new "Law" and so is the way that science works.

Quote:So what does that have to do with 'DNA activation'? Not much except for being a great buzzword. Why would having more free amino acids produced be an an evolutionary advantage or result in a high powered immune system?

It's More than a buzz word, It's becoming a Scientifically Proven truth. Or, were you not paying attention? Gee, I really wish that people would do their own homework before scoffing and saying that another is wrong. It would save them so much face. I'm reminded of the statement "It is better to keep your mouth shut, and let people think that you are stupid, than opening it and removing all doubt." I think, you should accept that as your own mystical magickal mantra... it may help.

Quote: Why is there absolutely no record or evidence for the data of this increased codon activity besides the claims of Drunvalo and Braden? Can you find one? Do you have copies of the test?

Actually, from what I understand, and at the moment I am not quoting sources on this. There are a small, yet growing number of people with a higher count of active codons. So, there is less data on them. That's why it's New. Should I include the definition of New? or do you think that you have it? [Never hurts to ask, I try to have all bases covered.] However, I can say that Some scientists (mostly Molecular Biologists) are conducting the research to have a solid answer to that. I Myself, Want to do DNA testing on my own medical research group, so that I have the data. I want a before and after snapshot. However, to do such, I have to pay roughly $500 (USD) per test, and Hire A Trained Medical Professional to take the samples. My test group will be a minimum of 150 people. That translates out to $150,000 (USD) plus the services of the Medical "Vampire" *smiles* If you really want to prove me wrong, with actual hard evidence, why not put your wallet where your mouth is?
Mychieal
in Michigan, USA
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 08:14 AM
Quote: In addition, it is believed that the 64 codons, are all the codons biologist have observed to operate through all 5 animal kingdoms, fungi will use different codon sequences out of all possibilites than say the plantae kingdom..

Plantae? You mean Flora, Right?
Ahh.. 5 Animial kingdoms, with Fungi included... *smirks* Silly Rabbit Fungi is classified in the Flora not Fauna. Yes, every living thing, had and uses DNA. However Fungi doesn't use completely different Codons, otherwise the Peptide Arginine would not be produced in Plants, aninals, humans AND FUNGI. They do however, have different Genes, is that what you intended to say? Now, I could understand that.
However to say that they are completely different, then how would they create asparaginase, which is used as a cure for childhood acute lymphoblastic leukemia? (from the research of arryl D. Yorkey, Patricia M. Shaffer. University of San Diego, Chemistry, San Diego, CA, USA, Funded by a USD Faculty Research Grant and by a grant from the Lee Leichtag Family Foundation. Asparaginase is also useful in the Environmental control of Genes.

Quote:the same goes for mamals. So Drunvalo thought humans have 20 codons, they have 23, one is start, one is stop, and the other one is for methionine, if i am not mistaken...the advantage of having more than one codon coding for the same amino acid is that if the genetic code is damaged and can no longer properly assemble transfer RNA for a given codon, it can easily just make use of the other one to link the amino acid in the protein structure.

It is well known, and well documented that DNA Has many back ups and a high level of redundancy. If the DNA is Damaged, then one of two things occurs. First, the cell in which it is damaged in, goes into a repair state and actually rebuilds the DNA strand off of the secondary strand. Secondly, if in the case that, that section of DNA can NOT be repaired, another section of DNA will usually ACTIVATE [wow, DNA ACTIVATION, Who'd of Thunk?] to create the required protiens. If the cell doesn't die off before the section can be activated. This is the final option the Cell has, if it cannot repair the DNA, it goes into a prolonged defensive state in which it litterally starves itself to death, rather than replicating damaged DNA.
Mychieal
in Michigan, USA
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 08:15 AM
Now, to answer the functional advantage of DNA Activation. As you stated here: "the advantage of having more than one codon [active]coding for the same amino acid is that if the genetic code is damaged and can no longer properly assemble transfer RNA for a given codon, it can easily just make use of the other one to link the amino acid in the protein structure." But, it goes entirely beyond this, to this fact... THe pharmaceutical industry is scowering the amazon for new protiens every day for use as medical cures, to help bolster the immune system, and to heal diseases left and right. So, having more codons [amino acids] Creating DIFFERENT Protiens for the human body, would be a great thing. I guess the term DNA Activation is a bit misleading in the fact that as a consequence of DNA Activation you also get Cellular Activation. It's part of the process. Another part of the process is actually providing the correct stimuli to the cells, to have an epigenetic control [environmentally controlled] genetic behavior surface. And this, is why I do NOT believe in the ability to activate DNA via Remote anything, and I believe very few (well, actually only 1 person) on the whole Remote Viewing ability. And, I justify that statement because the person lives in the rockies, and I live in MI, and they described unique parts of my house, even though I, nor my wife, ever told them a thing about our home, and have never, ever, met them in person. And because of Such, before you even ask, I am conducting My own tests with her help to see the limitations of ARV/CRV. And while I still don't believe that it should be a part of the activation process for DNA, I do believe that having your entire body working with you rather than passively watching will help out anyone with Remote Viewing Training, as it would help out in all areas of life. Being that we nolonger see Cells as little black boxes that just crank out protiens.

*thwack!* Ball's in your court. Whatcha gonna do?

-Mych.
Sarnath
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 | 10:43 AM
There is no point in having a discussion with you because clearly you lied about your original intention. This is not a discussion. This is you blathering about DNA activation as a 'scientific truth' There is no evidence for this. the experiments you have quoted are not from established scientific journals. No I meant Codons not genes. Do your homework and research yourself. No the information is not wrong from the textbooks about Codons. I had this verified. No the points in the skeptics review are not lame. They expose Gregg Braden as a complete fool. The schumman resonance is not changing. There always have been quasi-harmonics of the 7.8 schumman resonance, it is nothing new and nothing to do with 2012. In fact, the schumman resonance cannot be changing because the diameter of the Earth is not increasing. There is ample evidence for this which the author references reputed scientists, while you all you can do is reference new agers. You claim you can 'psychically' activate anothers DNA. Charybdis is right you are running a scam and he should stop you from proliferating it here. You should fall your own advice about stupidity and take your anger elsewhere. Clearly, your DNA isn't very activated.
Mychieal
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Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 | 05:28 PM
So, The medical journal for Viriology, is wrong<a href="http://www.activatemydna.com">.</a> So UCLA is wrong, So University of Nebraska is WRONG<a href="http://www.activatemydna.com">.</a> Wow, THIS IS BASED ON WHAT SOURCE? Your Word? You hide, like a scared child behind a fake name, touting your ignorance and your opinions like they are factual. You never asked me for evidence. you just assumed that I have my head shoved up Drunvalo's butt, because it makes you feel good to put someone else down. I followed The Skeptic's review of Braden's one book, ZERO POINT, and then I showed you the one, and only one quote that I have used from Gregg Braden. And told you that it's only .01% of what my work is based off of. Also, his review of the book DOESN'T POINT OUT Where Braden is wrong, Nor how he is wrong. The only Point that Skeptic makes is about the shumann resonance<a href="http://www.activatemydna.com">.</a> Ok. So, that has WHAT to do with the topic of Discussion? Then *You* Meantion Drunvalo. Okay, so He's a proponent of DNA Activation, indirectly. Personally, I think he's a bit out there, but then again, I also think that most people are, YOU INCLUDED. You ignored the points that I made, NOW I Will IGNORE YOU.
Actually Sarnath, You are WRONG. I never claimed any such thing. No where, EVER ON MY SITE, Do I claim that I activate anyone's DNA USING PSYCHIC ABILITY. Did you not even read my site? or are you just pissed off because I followed YOUR statements and showed them to be false.
Also, what does the Shumann resonance have to do with DNA Activation? I've done MY homework. I have a scientifically proven product that isn't a scam, it isn't done "Psychically" and it ISN'T LIKE any of the other DNA Activation sites out there. Obviously, My friends who keep asking me why I talk to people like you, and try to use reason and logic with unarmed people, are right.
No where, in any of my statements have I exhibited anger, nor stupidity. Even though you have. And your right, your dna clearly isn't acitvated. Sorry, I am not going to lower myself and stoop down to your level. if you want a serious discussion, GROW UP FIRST, DO Some homework, so you do not sound like a complete idiot. And actually READ what I say, so that you can form an intelligent arguement, if you want me to take you seriously. Which, at this point, I DON'T. Sorry. But you have only suceeded in proving to me, you cannot hold a logical thought between two neurons.
I don't buy into Quasi Harmonics, I don't think that the shumann resonance is speeding up, but that's nary the point. The point here is DNA<a href="http://www.activatemydna.com">.</a> Pure AND Simple. You asked me to discuss DNA Activation with you<a href="http://www.activatemydna.com">.</a> I'm sorry, I thought that you were capable of discussing it. My Bad. I shall not ever assume Sarnath=Intelligence again. And if you want the justification of that statement, or the implied lacking of literacy, then look at what I have posted, and look at your words. "You claim you can 'psychically' activate anothers DNA<a href="http://www.activatemydna.com">.</a>" No, No I don't. I claim to have Created a CD, one that can do the activations<a href="http://www.activatemydna.com">.</a> Nothing PSYCHIC About a piece of aluminum and Acrylic. I do claim, however, NOT TO DO IT VIA Remote Viewing, Nor By REMOTE INFLUENCING. But, you would know that, if you read. It's all over my site<a href="http://www.activatemydna.com">.</a> This is what I mean by you not doing your homework. If you are not going to attempt to refute MY Claims, and YOU ARE going to throw SOME ONE ELSE'S Claims at me, then I consider this discussion Ended on the basis of you're not qualified to hold a discussion about DNA Activation<a href="http://www.activatemydna.com">.</a>
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