...Well, some might have been blinded by the things our school had been throwing upon us regarding this subject matter. Still, everyone is entitled for his opinion. I really had appreciated your interesting point of view eon....rack your brains concerned filipino!!!!!
...i don't think you can differentiate a THEORY froma FACT...even a grade 3 student knows that!!!if you don't beleive it...just shut up!!!!who cares anyway...this is only for people who are open minded!!!and i am so sure you are not one of them!!!!.......grow up will you!!!!!!!!

....dahhhhhhh......

>dumb
>embecile
>idiot
>moron
>stupid
>hipocrite
>FOB

....are you describing yourself concerned filipino????....

...kidstuff.......

I've also learned that the killings that transpired in Whitechapel(Jack the Ripper) had a somewhat unexpected effect. The killings brought a lot of attention from around the world. Due to this fact, people had now seen the terrible living conditions that these men, women, and children were exposed to, and thus leading to a reformation.

One of the many Freemasonic mottos is, "Ordo Ab Chao" meaning, Order out of Chaos. From these killings came order and the cleansing of the filth that existed in Whitechapel.

If you've read Rizal's works you could see his "means to an end" attitude...which was great! It's what made his novels so intriguing haha. His reference to the writing on the wall was well done!

zwicky szahsz: Ooh sock puppet huh? You've got an addiction to exclamation marks in your meaningless rants. Cool off a little.

Of course there's a theory about Jose Rizal being Jack the Ripper. Only thing is, it hasn't been proved. As such, it is not yet a fact, as even you said. Common sense would dictate that until it is proven that Jose Rizal was Jack the Ripper, we'll assume he wasn't. I was arguing against it. That is my right in a free country, just as it is the right of certain attention whores to insult historical figures with bizarre conspiracy theories. Why so defensive? Is it because you know how silly your "theory" sounds? You know, if you had more confidence in this theory, you wouldn't have to take it so personally. Have more confidence people!

The fact is, eon and zwicky szahsz (who are probably the same person anyway) are being disingenuous. They keep saying it's a theory, and then speak of it as if it were fact. The question I've repeatedly asked eon, which he continues to evade, is whether he himself believes it or not. Answering "It's a theory" is mere evasion. What does he really think?

I wonder why eon argues so strongly for this "theory", while refusing to state directly that he believes it? Could it be because he knows how stupid it is? If he really believed it, he would say so. I've never heard of a thinker who developed a theory he didn't believe in. When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it. Just a thought 😊

Due to this fact, people had now seen the terrible living conditions that these men, women, and children were exposed to, and thus leading to a reformation."

Talk about innuendo taken to the next level. XD

"The fact is, eon and zwicky szahsz (who are probably the same person anyway) are being disingenuous."

Now you are the one believing in conspiracy theories...thinking that there is a conspiracy out there to kick you when you're down. Unfortunately, you are mistaken. I am not the one who, after a year, rekindles this old flame of ours with another rant haha. I've stated this already.

"They keep saying it's a theory, and then speak of it as if it were fact. The question "I've repeatedly asked eon, which he continues to evade, is whether he himself believes it or not. Answering "It's a theory" is mere evasion. What does he really think?

I wonder why eon argues so strongly for this "theory", while refusing to state directly that he believes it? Could it be because he knows how stupid it is? If he really believed it, he would say so. I've never heard of a thinker who developed a theory he didn't believe in. When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it. Just a thought grin"

LOL! So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual? I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist? As I've stated before, your reasoning is flawed. Two rhetorical questions to debunk your entire statement.

Concerned, you live in a finite world, whilst I live in an infinite world and because of this, you will always be limited - in all that you do. Oscar Wilde once wrote, "To define is to limit."

So it takes "two" of you to beat me now?

"I am not the one who, after a year, rekindles this old flame of ours with another rant haha. I've stated this already."

And then you keep responding right? What a hypocrite you are. By the way, the one who's ranting is not me but your sock puppet back there. With grammar like his...well what can I say, birds of a feather flock together. XD

"So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual?"

No, you moron. I'm asking you whether you yourself believe in this theory or not. Are you sure you've graduated from grade school? Your grasp of basic English doesn't seem to be all that good. Perhaps it's due to being a FOB. :=D

"I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist?"

This argument is yet another attempt at evasion. You're saying that if something is true, it is whether or not people believe in it (and vice-versa). I agree, and that's why Rizal was not Jack the Ripper no matter how much you think he was. 😊

"Concerned, you live in a finite world, whilst I live in an infinite world and because of this, you will always be limited - in all that you do. Oscar Wilde once wrote, "To define is to limit."'

There's only one word to describe the above - hubris. I really pity you.

eon, what you call an "infinite world," the rest of the real world calls "profound detachment from reality." I do live in a finite world. And so do you. I advise you to get your head checked.

And while you're at it, quit quoting greater men to make yourself appear more intelligent. It's really pathetic.

I've already proved my point anyway. I have no problem with theories. I just don't believe in this one, because your evidence is sorely lacking. I was just concerned by your seeming inability to distinguish theory from fact. Now that you yourself are (finally) admitting that this is not a fact, then there's no problem.

Anyone has the right to make up "theories" about the JFK assassination, pyramid power, and so on. No one's stopping you from making a fool of yourself, if that's your concern.

"So it takes "two" of you to beat me now?"

No it doesn't take two to beat you. It takes an iota of my intelligence to do so. I have done this already. People come across this site and see that you are so pathetic that they must comment on your stupidity.

"And then you keep responding right? What a hypocrite you are."

No fool, I am not a hypocrite because I did not start the argument again after a 1 year hiatus. You still don't know what hypocrite means!

"'So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual?'
'No, you moron. I'm asking you whether you yourself believe in this theory or not.'"

Moron, it's a response to your previous remark, "When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it." Wow, you are truly an idiot.

"'I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist?'

'This argument is yet another attempt at evasion. You're saying that if something is true, it is whether or not people believe in it (and vice-versa). I agree, and that's why Rizal was not Jack the Ripper no matter how much you think he was. grin'"

It's apparent that you do not and cannot grasp the English language well. I simply stated that regardless of who believes in the theory of a God, if it exists, it exists.

In a way Concerned Filipino, I admire your persistence. However, your foundation and objective are way off. You try to be smart by using bigger words than you are normally accustomed to, but the problem is, you use them incorrectly or you don't understand what they truly mean. Stick to words you are familiar with.
A quote by Sir Francis Bacon would well accompany my thesis, "If you dissemble sometimes your knowledge of that you are thought to know, you shall be thought another time to know that you know not."

I quote writers and philosophers because it is relevant and adds to the strength of my argument. It's not to show you how perspicacious I am. By you asking me to stop quoting people, you show your insecurity and your low self-esteem.

About me being an American Citizen...I'm sorry I can travel almost anywhere in the world with a blue passport? I mean, I just came back from Europe with little effort...that can't possibly be a negative thing.

I take pride in all that I do. I wouldn't have any heart if I wasn't proud of what I did. If I didn't, I'd be like you. I'd be insecure.

"Anyone has the right to make up "theories" about the JFK assassination, pyramid power, and so on. No one's stopping you from making a fool of yourself, if that's your concern."



...i believe making a theory doesn't make you a fool....


LOL...really funny...

For starters, the 10th Spanish Infantry Regiment was ordered to execute Rizal. Research from there.

eon and concerned filipino:

eon is only stating a theory. he doesn't have to believe it. he's simply stating it.

concerned filipino is obviously proud to be a filipino and because of this, s/he is against anyone who may have an inkling of destroying a reputation of the nation's known hero.

both of you are obviously smart people. it's just sad that instead of merely attacking the other person's opinion, you two have ended up attacking each other as a person.

Mediator,

You are definitely not wrong in your observation.

However, this patriotism/fanaticism is, mentally, counter-evolutionary. To see others as "Filipino," "American," "European," et al, is to create a barrier. Ex tempore, we become divided/separated. To be proud to be human is most beneficial.

We must free our minds from all conditioning in order to find truth or the least, what it is not.

hey guys, there's no need to call each other names. You can disagree without being disagreeable.
one interesting thing that came out of this is that jose rizal was in a lot of other countries in different periods, and there were no series of killings other than in england. think about that folks.

George,

That is a valid point. However, the past does not determine the future.

Case and point - Jack the Ripper. It stopped didn't it? Why didn't he keep on going until he got caught? Regardless of where he was it stopped.

If there were to be an intelligent killer who knows that the chances of him getting caught are minute, then he will pursue it.

Let's go Manny Pacquiao!

oops sorry i forgot...

also, if there is much to gain from that certain action, then the person will do it.

I've stated before that the living conditions in Whitechapel were dreadful at the time. The murders brought attention to these terrible living conditions and the world reacted in favor of change.

perhaps it was a "means to an end" approach to efficiently solving the problem.

I also stated that Jose Rizal could've been Jack the Ripper. I never said that Jose Rizal was a deranged maniac who kills wherever he goeth.

:D

I think this theory is interesting. Funny but interesting. 😊)

Why don't you guys email national geographic or something. I once watched a special on Jack the Ripper on the NatGeo channel.

Guys,

Ano na po ba ang nangyari tungkol sa unconfirmed report ni amatheur sleuth na may nakita daw na mga ebidensya gaya ng diary ni rizal at ang kidney daw na nai-match sa DNA ng kamag-anak ng isa sa biktima?

Eto po sana ang gusto kong mabigyang linaw kung ito po ay totoo o isa lamang imbento ni Ms.Sleuth dahil dito nag-ugat ang lahat ng paniniwala na maaari nga na si JPR at si JTR ay iisa. Sapagkat ang mga teorya na si Rizal si Jack The Ripper dahil sa siya ay nandoon nang maganap ang mga pagpatay, o dahil sa siya ay isang Mason, o dahil sa siya ay marunong sa pag-opera, o dahil siya ay lahat ng nabanggit ay isang teoryang mahina at hindi kapani-paniwala.

Sana po ay may makapag-konpirma na sa report na ito kung totoo nga po o hindi.

Kung si Rizal man si JTR, hindi mababawasan ang aking lubos na paghanga sa kanya, (ewan ko pero parang madadagdagan pa nga yata). Sabi nga ng sumulat sa Philippine Daily Inquirer tungkol sa ulat na ito (ayon sa aking pagkaka-alala) "patuloy pa rin tayong napapamangha ni Gat Jose Rizal simula noon hanggang ngayon."

Mr. Low,

The truth is, no one knows who Jack the Ripper is. Everything about Jack the Ripper is mere speculation. Jose Rizal happens to be there at time of the murders and has the skills and knowledge that were attributed to Jack the Ripper.

In a court of law where a man is innocent until proven guilty, yes, these theories might not be as solid as the prosecutor would want. One thing you have to understand is that Jack the Ripper was never caught. No such information within our immediate grasp can be conclusive enough to pinpoint who Jack the Ripper is/was.

Your love for Rizal shouldn't wane as he was still an exceptional writer, doctor, and revolutionary.

I've stated in my previous comments that people harbor false sentimentalities. They do not believe in man's ambiguous nature. This is partly due to their simplicity in their upbringing and thus their thought process.

My theories are not to put blame on anyone. It is for the love of truth and the enlightenment of the human race.

If everything said about Rizal were true, being the father of Adolf Hitler and Jack the Ripper, then I would be a more proud Filipino than I am today. I'm not saying that I believe that he was indeed the person others claim he was, but then again, I'm not saying that I don't.

It's just incredible how many debates can stir up on an unproven myth. Jose Rizal was not Jack the Ripper. He was a well respected physician and national hero of the Philippines. So don't insult his name with this utterly absurd story.

It's a theory not a myth.

Zed, your logic is, he is a well respected physician and a national hero therefore he cannot do anything beyond that?

Fact - he was also a womanizer.

Winston Churchill was a drunk.

Hitler was responsible for the Autobahn and the Volkswagen-among many other accomplishments.

Your priests molest little boys.

You my friend are the one who is absurd. You speak with your eyes closed.

I saw a comment about Rizal being fictitious and used only to manipulate the people... I found that very interesting taking into account on how history is being tampered with and covered up and I see it plausible.

I saw that the main comments here were made by eon and concerned who debated harshly... In my opinion, eon won hands down... And concerned, the people you asked if Rizal was Jack did not see the arguments and evidences eon showed thus making it invalid in your case and does not prove you won. Eon only debated on the POSSIBILITY of this happening and not making Rizal immediately guilty. This was ignored by concerned who kept on attacking in different angles which, I may say, is ineffective, futile and quite desperate. And about the previous debates that concerned supposedly won with "smarter" people, I think that you were just bluffing because if you can't win this, what more can you say in these other posts?

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"JR"--- 'J'ose 'R'izal? 'J'ack the 'R'ipper?

Know what? I can really say that it is true.. I am really interested about this story. Jack the Ripper and Jose Rizal have those similarities. I applied the novel of Jose Rizal.. Remember Ibarra?, he turned as Simon in the story.. And like in real story, Jose Rizal turned as Jack the Ripper. Jose Rizal was a bright man, so it's possible that he can do those accusations..

What if, this is true?
Does is it mean that.. OUR HERO IS A SERIAL KILLER?! (oh no!)

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Bravo!

Indeed, if you had read "Noli" or "El Fili," one can gather that Jose Rizal was not oblivious to evil.

Now, I'm not saying Jose Rizal is evil, I'm simply stating that he is familiar with.

One who knows the greatest good must of course, know the greatest evils.

"Mane Thecel Phares" - I love it!

what the ???


After I have read the article I was really shocked.
A part of me believes this and a part of me doesn't.

I really idolize Jose Rizal because he had done great things that none of us can ever do.

And I have also read some of the comments.

Truth is I was only searching for Philippine Urban Legends for entertainment and to scare the hell out of me and then I stumbled upon this.

I got really curious so I read it and I think that

It's a shame that we can't ask Dr. Jose Rizal if its really true.


^-^

I don't know, if its bad to believe this theory but somehow, some part of me believes it.

With the theory and some facts presented which matched with Jose Rizal, this theory can be convincing.

It's kinda weird that they do also have the same initials, J.R. which is really hard if it's coincident. It couls have been William the Ripper or George the Ripper which is W.R or G.R. I don't know what a lame explanation of mine.

But reading the arguments of the first comments of these article could be pretty obvious that these theory is possible.

I was wondering about all the article I've read that when Jose Rizal left the country the Ripper killing's stopped. So how was that?

And some letter evidences, jewelry possesions and even kidney organ which matched to the Ripper killing's victim Catherine that Jose Rizal possesed could be true?

We know that Jose Rizal was somehow a playboy seen at his relationship. Others may call it formal or informal, still he was linked with many woman. He is also a doctor.

And if for the motive, what could that be? Hmm.

Why did you argue about that? It can be factually true or factually false but certainly, there is no certainty. I, Jose Rizal, am not Jack the Ripper. Or maybe I am.

wow... i've read all the arguments of eon and concerned from the first page (well actually just the first page) and i just feel my blood rushing everytime concernedfil will make his/her arguments.

obviously, eon neither said he believes or rejects the story/speculation/theory whatever you want to call it. concerned kept on saying that eon is avoiding to answer if he believes it or not yet you yourself is avoiding to understand what eon's argument is. your already jumping to the conclusion that eon is not a patriot like you just because he's not trying to clear out what his stand on a theory is.

i just want to raise points on your previous points.

* "You counter viewpoints with VERY WEAK arguments."
According to you, anyway. But you're an idiot.


i don't like this one. why?
because if you're already commiting a form of fallacy by trying to answer an argument with a statement that is meant to tarnish eon's credibility of making a straight argument.

(sorry if i forgot what the exact fallacy is, you could read that in a philo book if you want. actually it's a real basic thing in philosophy.)


*I suppose that all patriotism would look like fanaticism to you, because you are a mere coward who left the hardships of this country to pursue an easy life in a rich country, and now doesn't even respect his national heroes.


I don't know what you're trying to point out here but again I still don't like this statement here.
you are generalizing. saying that someone that believes the statement that Rizal was Jd'Ripper does not value his own country's national heroes.
worst is eon is not even saying he believes the statement.


please you are the one that doesn't listen to anyone. that's not even patriotism you're doing. all i could see while reading on to this thread are arguments stated because of ego. you don't want to lose to someone having better arguments than you and to save that pride you even resort to calling people names just because you can't answer them straight.

Come on, this is a shame if non-filipinos read this. You have to much comments that are so shameful. If you are very nationalistic and haters of the idea of this person, say so in more appropriate ways. This is only a theory. The article was far from being matter-of-factly. You have seen proofs and arguments. If you don't believe this, no need to trample on other people's theories.

Accept it as a theory, not a fact. Over time, us Filipinos have been branded as overly sensitive to things that tackle our race. Its really a shame.

Yes he is Jack the Ripper! The name "Jose Rizal" was actually written in blood by one of the victims that knew him on a wall. It was a very blurry, almost unreadable because when he was washing it, the authorities were alerted and he did not have enough time to erase it. That is why they concocted "Jack the Ripper" instead as an alias.

When he came back to the island of the Philippines, London finally knew his crimes that is why they immediately notified the Spanish government about it and his execution was swift. This was never written in history because of reasons that the investigation was lackluster -- a bad point for the London police and a big shame to the London government.

Despite that, to me, he is even more than a hero. He is the legend!

First of all, concerned is such an idiot, what he/she is doing is an embarrassment to Jose Rizal.

Now for the topic, I just want to know the truth because all of the arguments that point out to Jose Rizal being Jack the Ripper are very convincing, actually i want to prove that Jose Rizal is Jack the Ripper, it would make a very amazing discovery and someone pointed out that we should send this to NatGeo I AGREE! haha it would make a very interesting documentary. I have a few questions if someone can answer them it would be very helpful.

1. Where did Rizal live when the killings happened?

2. Did the killings actually stop during the time Rizal left London? Like the exact date?

3. About the kidney and the letter, what was written in the letter? and the kidney belonged to one of the victims? did it have an exact DNA match to that of the Victim?

4. Did Rizal have any person that he can be linked to during the time he was in London? A friend? A girl?

5. Is there any historical evidences of what he was doing while he was in London, maybe like he went to a gathering or he met someone?

6. Someone mentioned that there was some writings on the wall? it was written in blood? what was that about? can anyone explain its very intriguing.

That's about it, if anyone could answer my questions I would be very grateful 😊

BTW, EON, your statement:
( I've stated before that the living conditions in Whitechapel were dreadful at the time. The murders brought attention to these terrible living conditions and the world reacted in favor of change.

perhaps it was a "means to an end" approach to efficiently solving the problem. )

Bravo!

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