The Puppy Over the Cliff Video

Many of you have probably already seen the "puppy being thrown over a cliff" video that's been all over the internet in the past week. If you haven't, here it is, but be warned. It's disturbing. The Honolulu Advertiser offers this description of it:

Two Marines are seen in combat gear smiling as one holds a white-and-black puppy by the scruff of its neck. The dog seems to be about 8 weeks old and is motionless as it is held.
"Cute little puppy, huh?" says one Marine as he smiles broadly.
"Oh so cute, so cute, little puppy," says another in a child-like voice.
The Marine holding the puppy is then seen throwing the animal overhand into a desert-like gully below. The animal yelps until it thuds to the ground at the bottom of the gully.
"That's mean," one Marine says afterward.

When I first saw the video I felt it confirmed that there are some pretty sick people out there. But I didn't see anything that would make me suspect the video was fake. Nevertheless, a lot of people have been arguing that it's not real. For instance, see this youtube video. And more here.

The skeptics are suggesting that the puppy was already dead, and that the sounds of it yelping were dubbed in. But I think this is a case of being overly skeptical. That puppy looks alive to me. It's not making any noise initially because it's being held by the scruff of its neck. If you scruff a cat or dog it's going to become very quiet and submissive. It's an instinctive behavior.

The Honolulu Advertiser reports that the Marine Corps is investigating the video. The Marines have released a statement: "The video is shocking and deplorable and is contrary to the high standards we expect of every Marine... We do not tolerate this type of behavior and will take appropriate action." (Thanks, Nettie)

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Posted on Tue Mar 04, 2008


Of the ten posts on the day this first went up, seven can easily be catagorized as hate-speech. Two consider the possibility that this video might be a fake. And while the possibility of it being fake continues through the rest of the thread so far, there is still the hatred of anything military visible. Mark Johnson's comments point out the evidence that this is a fake. Number 3 especially, every military uniform will have the camouflage. A lack of insignia, even rank insignia, could be that it isn't easily seen. Most such would not be on the uniform, or be smaller to make it hard to see and identify ranking persons, but the name tapes and the "U.S. MARINES" tapes would still be visible on the uniform. Rank insignia is normally now on the collar so that it can be seen only when close to the person and isn't obvious to an enemy at a distance. And Nobjan, you are wrong to say that abusers start with abusing animals. They start with abusing vegitables.
Posted by Christopher Cole  in  Tucson, AZ  on  Fri Mar 07, 2008  at  10:03 AM
so what instead of making sure an injured animal is truly put out of its misery, cuz he's had a warped fucked up sense of humour oh and a bad day... he breaks all its bones and leaves it well out of sight of another grunt who might have a conscience.

so what does he do when he finds an injured insurgent? do the right thing or say "iv had a bad day, fuck it!" (i know it hasn't stopped some of them before) but id like to think a alot of our squaddies are decent guys, who have a moral compass. surely seeing all the shit that they do would make someone more in touch with the pain and suffering a living thing can feel.

How would he feel if it wasn't just a "towle heads" (his words and typo not mine) but his "own friends" that were sick and got thrown over a cliff? get a clue you jackass!!!!
Posted by mojo  on  Fri Mar 07, 2008  at  11:18 AM
im not hate mailing... if the clip is fake it looks like a real body of a dog, if its true its purely despicable... im just pointing out its disrespectful and immoral to fuck with a living or dead thing. i mean how would you feel if some giant dude pick up your dead granny from the side of the road and fucked about with her corpse for fun? its all pretty sick!
Posted by mojo  on  Fri Mar 07, 2008  at  11:29 AM
mojo - two points:
1) I stated that it COULD be catagorized as hate speech, not that it absolutely was.
2) A question I have asked before - Who defines hate speech, the one making the speech or the victim?
Posted by Christopher Cole  in  Tucson, AZ  on  Fri Mar 07, 2008  at  12:17 PM
This behaviour has nothing to do with being a "marine". It has everything to do with the cruelty that human beings are capable of.. You would never see a "Dog" doing something like this to another animal just for the Hell of it, would you?
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Puppy Throws Marine Off Of Cliff
Posted by Puppy Power  on  Fri Mar 07, 2008  at  08:55 PM
"...Yeah, but to be fair, dogs sniff each other's butts. And even HUMANS don't do that."

Uh, speak for yourself.
Posted by Anonymous  in  Nowheresville  on  Sat Mar 08, 2008  at  09:16 PM
Whoever posted the comment about dogs never doing anything like this...

Dogs specifically I can't answer to; but if the poster was suggesting that animals are incapable of gratuitous cruelty he/he needs to get out more (look at the behaviour of chipanzees, for example, or the games of catch that killer whales play with live seals).

In any case, I'm going to set myself apart from most here and observe that as gratuitous cruelty goes this was actually pretty innocuous. A puppy's awareness of what is going on is going to be pretty damn limited, so psychological suffering in this case is not really an issue, and in all likelihood the fall would have killed the puppy quickly, meaning physical suffering would be minimal.

Finding humour in killing is an unpleasant personal trait, but it's very human - I reckon it's certainly more common than the belief that all life is somehow sacrosanct. And it's certainly not much use as a predictor for psychosis! These guys may be assholes, but suggesting that they're little better than serial killers is just laughable.
Posted by outeast  on  Mon Mar 10, 2008  at  02:47 AM
Babies have limited awareness too, don't they? So that must mean it's okay to throw them off a cliff, right? Good to know, in case I ever have an unwanted baby I need to get rid of. At least it won't suffer much psychologically. smile
Posted by Sakano  in  Ohio  on  Mon Mar 10, 2008  at  08:08 AM
It doesn't matter if the marines killed the dog. It doesn't matter if the video is real or fake. All that matters is that war is really happening right now and this war is wrong.
Posted by Emmanuel  on  Thu Mar 20, 2008  at  01:37 PM
Just an update to this.

As of 2013, the video has been proven to be true, and had disastrous results for the marines in the video.

The man (Moriati) throwing the puppy was dishonorably discharged for conduct unbecoming of an officer. The one filming the video was also discharged. Both were made to serve a year in the brig (military prison) for cruelty, though it's not known if that's due to the animal incident or something else.

Most all of the videos of it have been removed from youtube and the like, and the Marine Corps issued a public apology for the officer's actions. Moriati dropped off the face of the earth after this, his facebook page was closed (likely due to the backlash he was receiving) and he has refused any attempts to comment or explain his actions beyond the one hate filled blurb he did.
Posted by kibu  in  Savannah  on  Wed Mar 27, 2013  at  07:59 AM
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