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Potato Used As Silencer
Status: Urban Legend
The Miami Herald reports the case of a man who threatened to shoot the mother of his child with a gun silenced by a potato. He never fired the gun, but did explain to her how the potato would silence the shot, insuring that no one would hear what happened. The police had this to say about the man's knowledge of acoustics:
The vegetable, while rich in carbs, does not make an effective silencer, police say. The myth dates back to mob murders of the 1920s and has persisted through movies and word of mouth.
"It was fine in Dick Tracy, but in real life, it's not true," said Miami-Dade Sgt. Bob Hoelscher, a longtime firearms technician who is not involved in the case. The sound of a gunshot can be suppressed somewhat if the gun is low-caliber and the cartridge is weak enough, Hoelscher said. But it usually makes a mess.
Detectives seized a 9mm Ruger pistol from Thompson.
"You're going to have potato salad 360 degrees from the muzzle," Hoelscher said. Of course, people haven't stopped trying.
Another favorite, often seen in movies and on TV, is to tape an empty plastic soda bottle onto the muzzle of the gun. I don't think this works any better than the potato technique. The Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics Page points out that movies, in general, tend to grossly misrepresent the effectiveness of silencers. In real life they don't silence guns as much as they do in movies. (I should note that I've never handled a gun, so I'm relying entirely on the word of other sources here.):
Cutting sound intensity in half only reduces the relative loudness by merely 3 dB. This would be barely noticeable. A good set of ear plugs typically reduces noise by about 30 dB and so, would reduce a muzzle blast from 150 to 120 dB, still a very loud noise. We estimate that the innocuous "fut" sound made by a movie silencer is roughly 50 dB 7, a whopping noise reduction of 100 dB from the dB level of a muzzle blast! In other words, a silencer has to reduce sound intensity of a muzzle blast by a factor of 1010 to give such a low relative loudness. This can be done with a very well designed and precision made silencer using subsonic ammunition. However, even commercially available silencers are more likely to give a reduction of 30 to 40 dB similar to ear plugs, than the incredible 100 dB reduction frequently portrayed in movies, especially when used on high-powered rifles.
(via David Emery)
Posted by The Curator on Mon Jun 05, 2006

Hehe, I just got finished reading a series of stories by Donald Westlake. Not only does the murderer use a potato as a silencer, but he uses it on a revolver, a very common (and very wrong) literary mistake.
Posted by Less  on  Mon Jun 05, 2006  at  12:06 PM
Also, 9mm half-automatics are a lot louder in real life (indoor shooting stand) than in movies, which people unfamiliar with guns just don't expect (including myself).
Then again, the real sound would probably rip apart most speakers.
Posted by FrostBird  in  The Old Continent, Chaos Kingdom  on  Mon Jun 05, 2006  at  02:31 PM
I also like it when people use a feather pillow as a silencer when shooting someone. The pillow does have the benefit of minimizing or negating blood splatter during the shooting, but movie makers always deaden the volume of the report as well. See "The Good, The Bad & The Ugly" for a good example of this. There is a scene early in Act I where Lee Van Cleef uses this method of silencing a firearm.
Posted by BugbearSloth  in  earth, 3rd planet, sol system  on  Mon Jun 05, 2006  at  03:04 PM
"You're going to have potato salad 360 degrees from the muzzle"

Errr, what does this mean?

Does he mean 180 degrees (away from the gun) or does he mean 360 degrees (back at you) or does he mean a spherical smattering?
Posted by Ric  in  Indiana  on  Mon Jun 05, 2006  at  03:42 PM
Heh, yes, I'm often impressed by Hollywood's grasp of ballistics.

Most of the noise from firing a gun comes from the speed of the bullet (if it goes faster than the speed of sound, then you get a nice little sonic boom) and from the explosion of all the combustion gases. Suppressors generally work in one or more of several ways: they draw out the time that the combustion gases expand, they slow down the bullet itself, or they use baffles to break up the sound waves. A potato might slow down a bullet a little, but only if it was already going rather slow, and so it would be rather pointless. It wouldn't have any effect on anything else, though, unless it just blocked off the muzzle enough that the gun itself explodes. Which would be a tad counter-productive, I think.

On a low-powered small-caliber weapon, a well-designed suppresser can actually reduce the sound of firing to very low levels as shown in the movies. But most of the time (especially with high-powered guns, like rifles) you're still going to have a loud bang that everybody in the area will notice. In those cases, the suppressor serves more to make it harder to tell where the shot came from, rather than to hide the fact that a shot was fired. It also helps save the hearing of the shooter, as otherwise firing off a fully automatic weapon in an enclosed room can be a bit overwhelming.

Of course, then there are Hollywood's ideas about recoil, and explosives, and camouflage, and. . .well, just don't go using movies to work out the details of your bank robbery or invasion plans.
Posted by Accipiter  on  Mon Jun 05, 2006  at  05:02 PM
Actually, I have used the pop bottle technique (as a teenager) and it does work, with some caveats.

First, it does have to be a low caliber weapon to have any real affect. Twenty-two caliber works nicely, though a .38 is also passable. When I say passable, I mean that you could fire the weapon in a house without a gunshot being heard throughout the neighborhood. However, if one is outside then there are no additional walls to help absorb the amount of sound that is made, limiting the usefulness of the "silencer." I have no idea what the decibal levels are, but there is a significant noise reduction. (And yes, before you ask, I obviously lacked quite a bit of sense when I was younger.)

Second, the technique is really only good for one shot because the bottle really does nothing more than trap the sound inside. As soon as there is a hole the sound "escapes." Therefore, unless you plan to carry enough pop bottles around with you to muffle the sound of every shot you fire, again the technique has limited usefulness. Oh, and by the way, only 2 liter bottles can be used. Twenty ounce bottles don't have enough volume for the gases to expand, their bottoms are too reinforced for the bullet to pass through without shattering the bottle, and the distance from the muzzle before the bullet hits the bottle is too short. As a result, a 20 oz. bottle will explode long before the sound waves are blocked.

Lastly, you can't aim the dogon thing. Let's just ignore the affect a 2 liter bottle has on your gun sights. More importantly, no matter what you do there is a certain amount of random deflection whenever a bullet hits any object, no matter how soft. Obviously, the bottom of a pop bottle is hard enough to create at least some significant deflection. As a result you can't hit target reliably even as close as 1 foot away.

So basically this technique is only useful if you use a small caliber weapon indoors and are not concerned about hitting your target. Not what I would call practical.
Posted by Pokey  in  Detroit, MI  on  Tue Jun 06, 2006  at  08:42 AM
I thought you were supposed to tape a full pop bottle to the muzzle of the gun.
Man, I'm glad to learn that's wrong.
I would have been so embarrassed!
Posted by Big Gary  in  Muleshoe, Texas, USA  on  Tue Jun 06, 2006  at  08:43 PM
You could do that, Big Gary. Haven't you ever heard of pop-guns?
Posted by Accipiter  on  Wed Jun 07, 2006  at  03:15 AM
Well, I still like to "play" with firearms, and I am made an improvised "silencer", also know as a suppresor out of a 20oz coke bottle, 2 tennis balls, some duck tape, flexible PVC pipe, and some pipe clamps. It works remakebley well. I can fire a .22 rifle through it mutiple times with the same effect every time. It reduces the sound by well over half. The bullet is still flying at supersonic speeds, so of course you still hear that boom, but the sound of the gasses escaping the bore of the barrel are muffled very well. I could fire a shot from the back of my house, and someone on the street in front would'nt know what they just heard. It sounds kinda like I just dropped a metal baseball bat and then caught it before it bounced again. Pretty interesting stuff.
Posted by Gun Happy Matt  in  Texas  on  Mon Jul 03, 2006  at  11:07 PM
Say what you want but I do this all the time w/ my Ruger MkII with front sight removed: get bulk steel wool (coarse or medium - NOT fine - don't want a fire to start!) and roll around a 1" wooden dowel. Cut 2" diameter hole in bottom of a 2 liter soda bottle, then cut the bottom inch or so away from the bottle. Insert rod w/as much steel wool wrapped as tightly as possible, insert into bottom of bottle and slide out dowel; steel wool should fluff out to the inside diameter of bottle. Re-attach bottle bottom w/ duct tape, load w/ sub-sonic ammo and have fun. The 'clack' of the bolt and a soft 'pop' is all you should hear.
Posted by Aran White  on  Sun Jan 14, 2007  at  02:02 AM
I have used both the soda bottle technique as well as the pillow, and both work very well. This was done with my P22, which is a low caliber bullet. Although I have yet to try it with my .45. Whatever sources told you that these are ineffective are missinformed. Take care.
Posted by Michael Keyes  in  California  on  Thu Mar 01, 2007  at  01:35 AM
Well, With all the potato confusion I will add my experience.

I once had a cat that was possessed by the devil, so I took it out back. Tied him up.
Got my .22 bolt action rifle, stuck a potato on the end and shot him multiple times.

The potato did a fine job suppressing the rifle, but
there was still a sonic crack.

The neighbors however did not notice any rounds were fired.
Posted by wade  in  cali  on  Mon Mar 03, 2008  at  02:45 AM
Posted by Gary Johnson  in  Marbella Spain  on  Sat Sep 20, 2008  at  06:26 AM
they referenced this mythin the movie PRIDE & GLORY that came out on DVD recently..
Posted by Joe Dirt  in  redlands ca  on  Wed Mar 04, 2009  at  03:56 AM
Not to get wierd or anything but i tried every fruit and vegetable in this case....potato is one of the and my brother took his ruger .44 outback and blew off 32 rounds...worked fine..not to mention how many potatoes we wasted...all was well...but i wouldnt recommend using a high-caliber weapon...the potato also effects unless your gonna blow someones head off point blank range..dont try to sharpshoot someone with this!...btw im not trying to say go out and kill someone cuz you thought this was a good idea..thanks!
Posted by Darby Deming  in  Houston,Texas  on  Tue Aug 04, 2009  at  10:11 PM
oh oh Sorry, folks, but it looks like you are all wrong, unless I missed a post of the extensive listing here, about the dynamics of this thing.

Why don't you just go to YouTube, if you have never handled a firearm, and see the Pillow silencer, or ask a veteran who has used or at least seen a demonstration of a silenced weapon? Silencers do in fact work; but it depend upon where you are as to whether they are legal.

Standard military and police silencers are so effective that all you hear is the bolt functioning, with many firearms with the proper loads.

1) Going to a small caliber has very little to do with it. In fact, most .22 loadings have a high velocity, so they emit a "crack" as they create their own sonic boon into the atmosphere.

2) It is the velocity that matters; stay below the speed of sound, or around 700 fps or lower. In fact, the .44 and .45 calibers make excellent candidates in a silenced weapon. And .30, even .50 caliber rifles use silencers in certain applications. Big, heavy, slow bullets will carry a long way while being very silent. In Viet Nam and elsewhere, certain troops carried silenced .45 ACP "burp guns" (among other types) where the operation of the bolt slamming back and forth was louder than the report of the big, slow bullet leaving the barrel.

3) Revolvers have a gap between the cylinder that holds the bullets and the barrel; so the gases escape there. Semi-autos handguns are employed for silenced firearms; and certainly any rifle (with proper loads) can be silenced since the bullet is inside a chamber when it fires in both cases. All the gases go out the end of the barrel, of course, where the silencer is affixed and the packing material and construction of the silencer slows and diffuses the gases that make the loud report.

The movies do in fact misstate and exaggerate almost everything - including what the authors of even fiction books have put down - for sensationalism and because the printed word has a different way of conveying a message than the printed screen. For instance, it is almost impossible to get a car to explode in a fireball from impact of a drop over a cliff; the gasoline is not vaporized sufficiently from the sudden impact with a hard object. How many accidents have you seen where a car exploded as it collided?

But since this is a myth-buster site, I think the posters should be more careful in expressing opinions not based upon any real world experience, with all due respect.

Posted by John C. Clark  in  Central California  on  Sun Oct 11, 2009  at  02:55 PM
i am a colombian citizen. i am not an illegal hitman but i exersise my right to carry a weapon and accidently discharge it for money. potatoes dont work. what you need is a titanium pipe that is 1/2 of an inch the size of your gun barrell. fill it with a combination of steel and copper wool. match up the end of your gun with a steel should be 1/10 of an inch deep around put lead on the part that joins the two pipes.then coat it in fiberglass people feet away would be unaware of your weapon talking
Posted by g folks  in  colombia  on  Tue Nov 24, 2009  at  12:00 AM
I'll tell u right now, from personal experience, a potato actually does work with a 22cal..But there is a catch. U first have 2 cut the potato in half. Dont jam the potato on your barrell. Cut a hole in the potato about half way inside the potato. Make sure the hole is wide enough for barrell. Its nice 2 have a tight fit, but dont force the rifle inside the potato. When u r finished, the potato should look like u jammed it, but thats what the hole was for...Your probally wandering how many times can i use the same potato? Well, if u did this correctly, u should b good 4 like 4-7 shots, but it all depends on the potato wering down & how tight the potato is on the barrell.
Posted by Kcking1985  in  Pennsylvania  on  Fri Feb 05, 2010  at  12:53 PM
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