Philippine Urban Legends (Jose Rizal was Jack the Ripper)

Status: urban legends
An article from the Philippine Daily Inquirer records some Philippine urban legends: the "White Lady" of Balete Drive, Robina Gokongwei's "snake twin" lurking in department store dressing rooms, the elusive "kapre" that lives in an ancient mango tree near the Emilio Aguinaldo house in Kawit town, and Andres Bonifacio's love child from a place aptly named Libog (now Santo Domingo) in Albay province. None of those mean much to me. But most of the article is devoted to discussing two other Philippine legends that are of more general interest. The first one is that Jose Rizal, the national hero of the Philippines, "was the father of Adolf Hitler, the result of an indiscretion with a prostitute in Vienna." The second one is that Jose Rizal was also Jack the Ripper:

Rizal was in London from May 1888 to January 1889, in the British Library copying "Sucesos de las islas Filipinas" by hand because there were no photocopying machines at the time. Jack the Ripper was active around this time, and since we do not know what Rizal did at night or on the days he was not
in the library, some people would like to believe Rizal is suspect. They argue that when Rizal left London, the Ripper murders stopped. They say that Jack the Ripper must have had some medical training, based on the way his victims were mutilated. Rizal, of course, was a doctor. Jack the Ripper liked women, and so did our own Rizal. And -- this is so obvious that many overlooked it -- Jose Rizal's initials match those of Jack the Ripper!


If Jack the Ripper did turn out to be Filipino, that would throw a wrench in his status as the Most Evil Brit of all time.

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Posted on Wed Feb 22, 2006



Comments

helo................rizal is a unique man
Posted by dareen  on  Mon Nov 26, 2007  at  05:37 PM
I know DR. JOSE RIZAL will not mind everything here which is all against him and the Philippines. We all know how egocentric most western people are. It's useless talking to people who have closed their hearts long time ago.
Posted by You-are-all-morons!  on  Thu Dec 20, 2007  at  11:23 PM
Can all true Filipinos stop posting on this page? This ALEX thinks he is so popular to start the whole damn thing!
Can't your brain cells serve you better? What a pathetic scheme ALEX!
Posted by You-are-all morons!  on  Thu Dec 20, 2007  at  11:27 PM
Now-now children, this is getting out of hand. Like the mature adults I assume most of us here are, do focus on the subject at hand and minimize hurling insults at one another. Constructive and intellectual criticisms would help instead of the "my horse is bigger than your horse" game. Alright?
Posted by lamballe  on  Thu Feb 07, 2008  at  04:44 AM
Can't we all just get along???
Posted by RuinRomo  on  Thu Feb 07, 2008  at  04:46 AM
....wat are these? rizal don't need to kill because he's a non-violent individual! stop these... just because their initials were the same... that didn't made him the killer...am sure at that time,, rizal was not the only person who matched the initials!
Posted by amz  on  Thu Feb 07, 2008  at  11:46 PM
Lol...dont u people have anything better to do?
Posted by Me  on  Fri Feb 29, 2008  at  07:56 AM
this urban legend is just plain ridiculous!!!filipinos always believe in anything,hahaha,my god,it;s just like believing that the easter bunny is real.
Posted by Kline  on  Mon Mar 10, 2008  at  02:38 PM
it's almost the same as believing in easter.
Posted by god is dead  on  Tue Mar 11, 2008  at  09:01 AM
Motive. Some less known historical facts (unwritten in undergraduate books) known only to History majors and professors showed that Jose Rizal in his younger days was involved with a prostitute named Maria Kalaw who was living somewhere in Laguna. This was the reason for one of his altercations with his eldest brother who was also like a father to him. Also Rizal did not have a child with Josephine Bracken or any women. Probably as a result of earlier sexually transimitted illness. Rizal had also physically beaten his wife Josephine while in Dapitan which was believed to have resulted into a miscarriage. This could probably be due to Rizal's jealousy or suspicion that it belong to another man if he believe he was rendered infertile by previous sexuall illness.
Could Rizal harbour an anger against prostitutes due to a personal experience that damaged him physically and emotionally?
Those are all speculations which is in no way sufficient for a conclussion but taken together with other facts could be intriguing on this issue.
Posted by eutix  on  Mon Apr 28, 2008  at  02:23 AM
wait wait wait...so you're telling me that a Great man like Jose Rizal could do wrong? The liberator of the Philippines could also be bad? I must concur!

The masses continue to swallow the crap that they are fed. Fanatics who believe that such a great man cannot do wrong.

Jose Rizal was a great man and as noble as he was, he was still human. He was still subject to flaws and misjudgments. Understand that all great leaders has their ups and their downs. They were ambiguous. Not even Gandhi was a 100% saint.

I entreat you to open your mind and eyes and see what is beyond the veil that has been put before us!

A time will come when we will use our brains once again.
Posted by zarathustra  on  Mon Apr 28, 2008  at  09:53 AM
Whoopsie, eon. It looks as though there's a teensy-weensy little flaw in your argument. I'd already meant to leave you to your childish games and forgotten all about this, until I read a TIME article on Jack the Ripper recently.

The famous letter you keep harping on about is the Lusk letter, isn't it? That's the one that came with a kidney(it's not even 100% sure that the kidney was human). Well, eon, the letter's written in English, not Spanish, and there is nothing in it at all that would point to Jose Rizal more than any other person. The other half of the kidney was never found anywhere, let alone linked to Rizal.

Well, there goes eon's idiotic little argument. My advice to you is, if you want to troll around a little with absurd accusations, then make up something more convincing, okay? 😊
Posted by concerned Filipino  on  Sat Jul 12, 2008  at  11:12 PM
Concerned,

There you go again assuming and claiming like you know it all. This my friend is your problem. You simulate perspicacity so that we, the people, don't see how idiotic you are.

1. No it's not the Lusk Letter so your whole argument is null and void. LEARN TO READ!

2. Even if it was the Lusk Letter, that's just one point of my argument. The rest remains.

3. My philosophy is still this - I make no claims, just theories.

4. After one whole year you come back with your neophetic research. Also, You were thinking about how to get back at me for one full year!!!

and Of course...to no avail.

My advice to you is this...don't speak. The less you do, the smarter you SEEM to be.
Posted by eon  on  Mon Jul 14, 2008  at  07:23 AM
Let's review your so-called "evidence", shall we? I just happened to reread your earlier comments, and found some, shall we say...disturbing...things.

"upon further investigation...this information was found...similarities noting the f's




how interesting."

The two links shown are in Spanish. You probably hoped no one here could read Spanish. Unfortunately for you... The first link is a paper of the La Liga Filipina, the civic association he founded. The second link is his final poem, Mi Ultimo Adios.

How interesting indeed.

You FOB, did you really think you'd fool anyone with such a stupid little trick? You probably thought you were so smart, didn't you? Well, looks as though the game's up, FOB. There you go, with all your "theories", all your high-and-mighty posing.

No wonder you were saying "even if it was the Lusk letter". You probably don't even know what the Lusk letter is, and you were getting worried I'd find out.

My advice to you is this...don't speak. The less you do, the smarter you
SEEM to be.
Posted by concerned Filipino  on  Tue Jul 15, 2008  at  04:25 AM
hahaha

I don't know who to pity...you for lacking the mental capacity for a rebuttal or me, for entertaining such an asinine fool.

1. I actually speak Spanish and it doesn't matter what language his writings are in you fool. They are still his writings. Those writings are meant to be compared with the RIPPER letters. Hence the reason I asked to look at the similarities. I feel as if I'm arguing with a little boy.

2. You insult other readers by telling them it's in Spanish. I think it's pretty clear that it is NOT in English nor is it in Tagalog. Jack the Ripper wrote in English. I think it's pretty obvious that those writings are not Jack The Ripper's. You are the fool for assuming that one is Jack the Ripper's and the other Jose Rizal's.

3. I said "Even if it was the Lusk Letter" to prove to you that it's only one part of my argument. I didn't say it was the Lusk Letter. Again, you take words out of context. I'm afraid you'll have to practice English more. Your reading comprehension skills are, shall we say, sub par. Go to like Embassy or something and talk to the posers over there to hone your skills. Your "BOOK" English is simply insufficient.

4. Oh yes...now I'm a FOB.

Once again, you have replied and have produced nothing. The only thing different this time is that you called me a FOB. Is that a new word for you? Has it just reached the Philippines? You must think you're cool for using that new hip word. My sole income surpasses that of your whole clan combined. I doubt a poor boy like yourself who has to go to an internet cafe to reply to my posts has any right to call anyone a FOB.

Have you even stepped out of the Philippines little man? ` Know your place, boy.

It would be more noble of you to admit defeat. You try so hard...but to no avail.

My advice to you...
"If you dissemble sometimes your knowledge of that you are thought to know, you shall be thought another time to know that you know not." - SFB
Posted by eon  on  Tue Jul 15, 2008  at  08:01 AM
Still name-calling as ever, because you're getting desperate...

There's just one little problem with your otherwise good argument, FOB.

"upon further investigation...this information was found...similarities noting the f's"

Right after this line of yours are the two links, indicating that those two links are the "information".

So we'll suspect Rizal know because his handwriting looks like the Ripper's? Comparing handwriting is very inexact, so it's pointless to compare. Also, the Ripper letters may have been written by different people. For the record, his handwriting doesn't look the same to me.

3. "Go to like Embassy" You really amuse me with your grammar.

4. "My sole income surpasses that of your whole clan combined. I doubt a poor boy like yourself who has to go to an internet
cafe to reply to my posts has any right to call anyone a FOB."

Aw, you're hurt, you widdle FOB you? How do you know my clan's income or whether I go to Internet cafes? Oh, wait, it's more of your usual irrelevant personal attacks, without regard for whether what you say is true or not. I thought you placed high value on factual validity?

Even though you're losing, you should stay on topic and avoid fallacies of irrelevance. Ya dig, FOB?

"Know your place, boy."

Ooh, I'm shaking, FOB. You're just a second-class citizen in the US and already you're trying-hard to imitate their arrogance. It's so pathetic.

By the way, did you see this comment?

"Hello

This is new information to us, that Filipino physician Dr. Jose Rizal has been considered to be Jack the Ripper by anybody. There is, as stated, no evidence to prove that he was other than he was in London at the time, which seems to be manifestly weak evidence.

Christopher T. George
Editor, Ripperologist"

That's a Ripperologist already. Since you, you know, like to show how you use expert opinions as sources.

Give it up already. Your comments have degenerated to nothing but defensive flaming.
Posted by concerned Filipino  on  Sat Jul 19, 2008  at  04:33 AM
"Still name-calling as ever, because you're getting desperate..." You began to call me a FOB lol! How you don't realize that you are the one who initiates the name calling and still label me a "name-caller" escapes me! I'm convinced you are retarded.

"So we'll suspect Rizal know because his handwriting looks like the Ripper's? Comparing handwriting is very inexact, so it's pointless to compare." - Oh I'm sure you're right there! Why don't we just get rid of forensics altogether? It's preposterous for an idiot like you to discredit handwriting analysis. Do you truly believe you are qualified to make that claim?

"So we'll suspect Rizal know because..." I believe what you are trying to say is, "So we'll suspect Rizal NOW because..." I am correct once more...I have proven your book English is lacking. You had a few days to revise your reply and you still failed.

Now that I've pointed out your fault, I can answer that question. I present the information, I leave the implications to the masses.

"'Go to like Embassy' You really amuse me with your grammar." - Apparently I wrote that to sound snotty. It's not like me to even sound like that. My mistake would be in assuming you would learn to stop taking things out of context and learn to "read between the lines."

"Aw, you're hurt, you widdle FOB you..."
As for your whole statement there, you've already been caught lying before...I know you are poor. The fact that you simulate erudition(defense) and you don't have immediate internet access.

"By the way, did you see this comment?..."
Yes I saw it. It is but one person's opinion. I have my own. I consider his could be right, and it may also be wrong.


"Even though you're losing." hahaha!
1. Everything you bring up, I destroy. I've pointed out your shortcomings...now you are just grasping. You have nothing.

2. You're on the attack. You're attacking ideas I set forth a year ago. If I'm losing, then why are you losing sleep? For argument's sake(I'm not saying this is true...it's hypothetical. I'm stating this because you have a history of taking things out of context), If you won, why, after a year, would you come back to beat me even more lol? Only the worst type of animal prey upon the fallen yes?

Unfortunately, your actions are not because you are a scavenger. You are on the attack because you want to redeem yourself and one only redeems themselves when they feel lowly. Why don't you read what others think about you? People in the Philippines are telling you to shut up...even with my conceit and arrogant bravado.
Posted by eon  on  Mon Jul 21, 2008  at  08:28 AM
how could jose rizal be jack the ripper? when the questions still remains. is jose rizal a real person or just a fictitious character? made by the americans to control the minds of the filipino people? look at the character of jose rizal super brainy, master martial arts and a genius but at the end of the story shot at the back and tried to turned around and face the singing guns just to cover up embarrasment? these characters seems to control the culture of the minds of the filipino people not to fight with their goverment. to control the peoples belief and heroic act. not to die by the sword or guns to overcome tyranny. to win freedom by the use of pen only. is it successful? ninoy aquino did the same. shot at the back. died and left a picture on the 500 peso bill that looks very anxious. did the bloodless revolution solved the poverty and corruption or the government today? hero? never ending controversy still lingers in the air.
Posted by tira  on  Sun Aug 24, 2008  at  11:00 PM
Very intriguing.

Love it when the canonical value of histories and its figures is put to question.

A non-linear reading of the Spanish-Filipino relations in the 1800's reveals a different story from what is written in Philippine textbooks.

There is a different story to Rizal that is left unpublished.
Posted by Paolo  on  Tue Sep 16, 2008  at  02:32 AM
It is very intriguing! I agree with it - that I do.

It's like Shakspeare and Sir Francis Bacon.

We, as human's are flawed. No one is perfect. A Hero can do wrong. A genius could be chemically imbalanced. This is nature.

Even Alexander the Great slaughtered hundreds of thousands of mercenaries when he didn't have to(he had already won the battle). Yet without Alexander would our world be the way it is today? He expanded to most of the known world and promoted the toleration of other cultures. How could a man who believes in the good of humanity kill hundreds of thousands of people?

The world must understand the ambiguous nature of man.
Posted by eon  on  Tue Sep 16, 2008  at  06:56 AM
...Well, some might have been blinded by the things our school had been throwing upon us regarding this subject matter. Still, everyone is entitled for his opinion. I really had appreciated your interesting point of view eon....rack your brains concerned filipino!!!!!
...i don't think you can differentiate a THEORY froma FACT...even a grade 3 student knows that!!!if you don't beleive it...just shut up!!!!who cares anyway...this is only for people who are open minded!!!and i am so sure you are not one of them!!!!.......grow up will you!!!!!!!!

....dahhhhhhh......
Posted by zwicky szahsz  on  Mon Dec 22, 2008  at  10:42 PM
>dumb
>embecile
>idiot
>moron
>stupid
>hipocrite
>FOB

....are you describing yourself concerned filipino????....

...kidstuff.......
Posted by zwicky szahsz  on  Mon Dec 22, 2008  at  11:28 PM
I've also learned that the killings that transpired in Whitechapel(Jack the Ripper) had a somewhat unexpected effect. The killings brought a lot of attention from around the world. Due to this fact, people had now seen the terrible living conditions that these men, women, and children were exposed to, and thus leading to a reformation.

One of the many Freemasonic mottos is, "Ordo Ab Chao" meaning, Order out of Chaos. From these killings came order and the cleansing of the filth that existed in Whitechapel.

If you've read Rizal's works you could see his "means to an end" attitude...which was great! It's what made his novels so intriguing haha. His reference to the writing on the wall was well done!
Posted by eon  on  Tue Dec 23, 2008  at  08:30 AM
zwicky szahsz: Ooh sock puppet huh? You've got an addiction to exclamation marks in your meaningless rants. Cool off a little.

Of course there's a theory about Jose Rizal being Jack the Ripper. Only thing is, it hasn't been proved. As such, it is not yet a fact, as even you said. Common sense would dictate that until it is proven that Jose Rizal was Jack the Ripper, we'll assume he wasn't. I was arguing against it. That is my right in a free country, just as it is the right of certain attention whores to insult historical figures with bizarre conspiracy theories. Why so defensive? Is it because you know how silly your "theory" sounds? You know, if you had more confidence in this theory, you wouldn't have to take it so personally. Have more confidence people!

The fact is, eon and zwicky szahsz (who are probably the same person anyway) are being disingenuous. They keep saying it's a theory, and then speak of it as if it were fact. The question I've repeatedly asked eon, which he continues to evade, is whether he himself believes it or not. Answering "It's a theory" is mere evasion. What does he really think?

I wonder why eon argues so strongly for this "theory", while refusing to state directly that he believes it? Could it be because he knows how stupid it is? If he really believed it, he would say so. I've never heard of a thinker who developed a theory he didn't believe in. When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it. Just a thought 😊

Due to this fact, people had now seen the terrible living conditions that these men, women, and children were exposed to, and thus leading to a reformation."

Talk about innuendo taken to the next level. XD
Posted by concerned Filipino  on  Mon Dec 29, 2008  at  06:46 AM
"The fact is, eon and zwicky szahsz (who are probably the same person anyway) are being disingenuous."

Now you are the one believing in conspiracy theories...thinking that there is a conspiracy out there to kick you when you're down. Unfortunately, you are mistaken. I am not the one who, after a year, rekindles this old flame of ours with another rant haha. I've stated this already.

"They keep saying it's a theory, and then speak of it as if it were fact. The question "I've repeatedly asked eon, which he continues to evade, is whether he himself believes it or not. Answering "It's a theory" is mere evasion. What does he really think?

I wonder why eon argues so strongly for this "theory", while refusing to state directly that he believes it? Could it be because he knows how stupid it is? If he really believed it, he would say so. I've never heard of a thinker who developed a theory he didn't believe in. When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it. Just a thought grin"

LOL! So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual? I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist? As I've stated before, your reasoning is flawed. Two rhetorical questions to debunk your entire statement.

Concerned, you live in a finite world, whilst I live in an infinite world and because of this, you will always be limited - in all that you do. Oscar Wilde once wrote, "To define is to limit."
Posted by eon  on  Mon Dec 29, 2008  at  08:47 AM
So it takes "two" of you to beat me now?

"I am not the one who, after a year, rekindles this old flame of ours with another rant haha. I've stated this already."

And then you keep responding right? What a hypocrite you are. By the way, the one who's ranting is not me but your sock puppet back there. With grammar like his...well what can I say, birds of a feather flock together. XD

"So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual?"

No, you moron. I'm asking you whether you yourself believe in this theory or not. Are you sure you've graduated from grade school? Your grasp of basic English doesn't seem to be all that good. Perhaps it's due to being a FOB. :=D

"I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist?"

This argument is yet another attempt at evasion. You're saying that if something is true, it is whether or not people believe in it (and vice-versa). I agree, and that's why Rizal was not Jack the Ripper no matter how much you think he was. 😊

"Concerned, you live in a finite world, whilst I live in an infinite world and because of this, you will always be limited - in all that you do. Oscar Wilde once wrote, "To define is to limit."'

There's only one word to describe the above - hubris. I really pity you.

eon, what you call an "infinite world," the rest of the real world calls "profound detachment from reality." I do live in a finite world. And so do you. I advise you to get your head checked.

And while you're at it, quit quoting greater men to make yourself appear more intelligent. It's really pathetic.

I've already proved my point anyway. I have no problem with theories. I just don't believe in this one, because your evidence is sorely lacking. I was just concerned by your seeming inability to distinguish theory from fact. Now that you yourself are (finally) admitting that this is not a fact, then there's no problem.

Anyone has the right to make up "theories" about the JFK assassination, pyramid power, and so on. No one's stopping you from making a fool of yourself, if that's your concern.
Posted by concerned Filipino  on  Tue Dec 30, 2008  at  12:56 AM
"So it takes "two" of you to beat me now?"

No it doesn't take two to beat you. It takes an iota of my intelligence to do so. I have done this already. People come across this site and see that you are so pathetic that they must comment on your stupidity.

"And then you keep responding right? What a hypocrite you are."

No fool, I am not a hypocrite because I did not start the argument again after a 1 year hiatus. You still don't know what hypocrite means!

"'So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual?'
'No, you moron. I'm asking you whether you yourself believe in this theory or not.'"

Moron, it's a response to your previous remark, "When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it." Wow, you are truly an idiot.

"'I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist?'

'This argument is yet another attempt at evasion. You're saying that if something is true, it is whether or not people believe in it (and vice-versa). I agree, and that's why Rizal was not Jack the Ripper no matter how much you think he was. grin'"

It's apparent that you do not and cannot grasp the English language well. I simply stated that regardless of who believes in the theory of a God, if it exists, it exists.

In a way Concerned Filipino, I admire your persistence. However, your foundation and objective are way off. You try to be smart by using bigger words than you are normally accustomed to, but the problem is, you use them incorrectly or you don't understand what they truly mean. Stick to words you are familiar with.
A quote by Sir Francis Bacon would well accompany my thesis, "If you dissemble sometimes your knowledge of that you are thought to know, you shall be thought another time to know that you know not."

I quote writers and philosophers because it is relevant and adds to the strength of my argument. It's not to show you how perspicacious I am. By you asking me to stop quoting people, you show your insecurity and your low self-esteem.

About me being an American Citizen...I'm sorry I can travel almost anywhere in the world with a blue passport? I mean, I just came back from Europe with little effort...that can't possibly be a negative thing.

I take pride in all that I do. I wouldn't have any heart if I wasn't proud of what I did. If I didn't, I'd be like you. I'd be insecure.
Posted by eon  on  Tue Dec 30, 2008  at  07:43 AM
"Anyone has the right to make up "theories" about the JFK assassination, pyramid power, and so on. No one's stopping you from making a fool of yourself, if that's your concern."



...i believe making a theory doesn't make you a fool....


LOL...really funny...
Posted by zwicky szahsz  on  Tue Jan 06, 2009  at  04:38 AM
For starters, the 10th Spanish Infantry Regiment was ordered to execute Rizal. Research from there.
Posted by eon  on  Wed Feb 18, 2009  at  06:46 AM
eon and concerned filipino:

eon is only stating a theory. he doesn't have to believe it. he's simply stating it.

concerned filipino is obviously proud to be a filipino and because of this, s/he is against anyone who may have an inkling of destroying a reputation of the nation's known hero.

both of you are obviously smart people. it's just sad that instead of merely attacking the other person's opinion, you two have ended up attacking each other as a person.
Posted by mediator  on  Wed Feb 18, 2009  at  10:00 PM
Mediator,

You are definitely not wrong in your observation.

However, this patriotism/fanaticism is, mentally, counter-evolutionary. To see others as "Filipino," "American," "European," et al, is to create a barrier. Ex tempore, we become divided/separated. To be proud to be human is most beneficial.

We must free our minds from all conditioning in order to find truth or the least, what it is not.
Posted by eon  on  Thu Feb 19, 2009  at  08:58 AM
hey guys, there's no need to call each other names. You can disagree without being disagreeable.
one interesting thing that came out of this is that jose rizal was in a lot of other countries in different periods, and there were no series of killings other than in england. think about that folks.
Posted by george  on  Sun May 03, 2009  at  04:12 AM
George,

That is a valid point. However, the past does not determine the future.

Case and point - Jack the Ripper. It stopped didn't it? Why didn't he keep on going until he got caught? Regardless of where he was it stopped.

If there were to be an intelligent killer who knows that the chances of him getting caught are minute, then he will pursue it.

Let's go Manny Pacquiao!
Posted by eon  on  Sun May 03, 2009  at  05:10 PM
oops sorry i forgot...

also, if there is much to gain from that certain action, then the person will do it.

I've stated before that the living conditions in Whitechapel were dreadful at the time. The murders brought attention to these terrible living conditions and the world reacted in favor of change.

perhaps it was a "means to an end" approach to efficiently solving the problem.

I also stated that Jose Rizal could've been Jack the Ripper. I never said that Jose Rizal was a deranged maniac who kills wherever he goeth.

:D
Posted by eon  on  Sun May 03, 2009  at  05:16 PM
I think this theory is interesting. Funny but interesting. 😊)

Why don't you guys email national geographic or something. I once watched a special on Jack the Ripper on the NatGeo channel.
Posted by innocent bystander  on  Wed May 20, 2009  at  07:18 AM
Guys,

Ano na po ba ang nangyari tungkol sa unconfirmed report ni amatheur sleuth na may nakita daw na mga ebidensya gaya ng diary ni rizal at ang kidney daw na nai-match sa DNA ng kamag-anak ng isa sa biktima?

Eto po sana ang gusto kong mabigyang linaw kung ito po ay totoo o isa lamang imbento ni Ms.Sleuth dahil dito nag-ugat ang lahat ng paniniwala na maaari nga na si JPR at si JTR ay iisa. Sapagkat ang mga teorya na si Rizal si Jack The Ripper dahil sa siya ay nandoon nang maganap ang mga pagpatay, o dahil sa siya ay isang Mason, o dahil sa siya ay marunong sa pag-opera, o dahil siya ay lahat ng nabanggit ay isang teoryang mahina at hindi kapani-paniwala.

Sana po ay may makapag-konpirma na sa report na ito kung totoo nga po o hindi.

Kung si Rizal man si JTR, hindi mababawasan ang aking lubos na paghanga sa kanya, (ewan ko pero parang madadagdagan pa nga yata). Sabi nga ng sumulat sa Philippine Daily Inquirer tungkol sa ulat na ito (ayon sa aking pagkaka-alala) "patuloy pa rin tayong napapamangha ni Gat Jose Rizal simula noon hanggang ngayon."
Posted by low_arq IGLPI  on  Sun Jun 14, 2009  at  03:52 AM
Mr. Low,

The truth is, no one knows who Jack the Ripper is. Everything about Jack the Ripper is mere speculation. Jose Rizal happens to be there at time of the murders and has the skills and knowledge that were attributed to Jack the Ripper.

In a court of law where a man is innocent until proven guilty, yes, these theories might not be as solid as the prosecutor would want. One thing you have to understand is that Jack the Ripper was never caught. No such information within our immediate grasp can be conclusive enough to pinpoint who Jack the Ripper is/was.

Your love for Rizal shouldn't wane as he was still an exceptional writer, doctor, and revolutionary.

I've stated in my previous comments that people harbor false sentimentalities. They do not believe in man's ambiguous nature. This is partly due to their simplicity in their upbringing and thus their thought process.

My theories are not to put blame on anyone. It is for the love of truth and the enlightenment of the human race.
Posted by eon  on  Sun Jun 14, 2009  at  11:13 AM
If everything said about Rizal were true, being the father of Adolf Hitler and Jack the Ripper, then I would be a more proud Filipino than I am today. I'm not saying that I believe that he was indeed the person others claim he was, but then again, I'm not saying that I don't.
Posted by Cris  on  Sat Jun 20, 2009  at  09:40 AM
It's just incredible how many debates can stir up on an unproven myth. Jose Rizal was not Jack the Ripper. He was a well respected physician and national hero of the Philippines. So don't insult his name with this utterly absurd story.
Posted by zedmark  on  Thu Jul 16, 2009  at  07:18 AM
It's a theory not a myth.

Zed, your logic is, he is a well respected physician and a national hero therefore he cannot do anything beyond that?

Fact - he was also a womanizer.

Winston Churchill was a drunk.

Hitler was responsible for the Autobahn and the Volkswagen-among many other accomplishments.

Your priests molest little boys.

You my friend are the one who is absurd. You speak with your eyes closed.
Posted by eon  on  Thu Jul 16, 2009  at  07:28 AM
I saw a comment about Rizal being fictitious and used only to manipulate the people... I found that very interesting taking into account on how history is being tampered with and covered up and I see it plausible.

I saw that the main comments here were made by eon and concerned who debated harshly... In my opinion, eon won hands down... And concerned, the people you asked if Rizal was Jack did not see the arguments and evidences eon showed thus making it invalid in your case and does not prove you won. Eon only debated on the POSSIBILITY of this happening and not making Rizal immediately guilty. This was ignored by concerned who kept on attacking in different angles which, I may say, is ineffective, futile and quite desperate. And about the previous debates that concerned supposedly won with "smarter" people, I think that you were just bluffing because if you can't win this, what more can you say in these other posts?
Posted by emilyrochefortlover tekken4ever!!  on  Mon Aug 31, 2009  at  02:02 AM
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"JR"--- 'J'ose 'R'izal? 'J'ack the 'R'ipper?

Know what? I can really say that it is true.. I am really interested about this story. Jack the Ripper and Jose Rizal have those similarities. I applied the novel of Jose Rizal.. Remember Ibarra?, he turned as Simon in the story.. And like in real story, Jose Rizal turned as Jack the Ripper. Jose Rizal was a bright man, so it's possible that he can do those accusations..

What if, this is true?
Does is it mean that.. OUR HERO IS A SERIAL KILLER?! (oh no!)

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Posted by YEYE  on  Wed Sep 02, 2009  at  07:36 PM
Bravo!

Indeed, if you had read "Noli" or "El Fili," one can gather that Jose Rizal was not oblivious to evil.

Now, I'm not saying Jose Rizal is evil, I'm simply stating that he is familiar with.

One who knows the greatest good must of course, know the greatest evils.

"Mane Thecel Phares" - I love it!
Posted by eon  on  Thu Sep 03, 2009  at  06:52 AM
what the ???


After I have read the article I was really shocked.
A part of me believes this and a part of me doesn't.

I really idolize Jose Rizal because he had done great things that none of us can ever do.

And I have also read some of the comments.

Truth is I was only searching for Philippine Urban Legends for entertainment and to scare the hell out of me and then I stumbled upon this.

I got really curious so I read it and I think that

It's a shame that we can't ask Dr. Jose Rizal if its really true.


^-^
Posted by meimei  on  Tue Sep 08, 2009  at  08:34 AM
I don't know, if its bad to believe this theory but somehow, some part of me believes it.

With the theory and some facts presented which matched with Jose Rizal, this theory can be convincing.

It's kinda weird that they do also have the same initials, J.R. which is really hard if it's coincident. It couls have been William the Ripper or George the Ripper which is W.R or G.R. I don't know what a lame explanation of mine.

But reading the arguments of the first comments of these article could be pretty obvious that these theory is possible.

I was wondering about all the article I've read that when Jose Rizal left the country the Ripper killing's stopped. So how was that?

And some letter evidences, jewelry possesions and even kidney organ which matched to the Ripper killing's victim Catherine that Jose Rizal possesed could be true?

We know that Jose Rizal was somehow a playboy seen at his relationship. Others may call it formal or informal, still he was linked with many woman. He is also a doctor.

And if for the motive, what could that be? Hmm.
Posted by Lee  on  Mon Sep 28, 2009  at  12:35 AM
Why did you argue about that? It can be factually true or factually false but certainly, there is no certainty. I, Jose Rizal, am not Jack the Ripper. Or maybe I am.
Posted by Jose Rizal  on  Thu Oct 01, 2009  at  04:18 AM
wow... i've read all the arguments of eon and concerned from the first page (well actually just the first page) and i just feel my blood rushing everytime concernedfil will make his/her arguments.

obviously, eon neither said he believes or rejects the story/speculation/theory whatever you want to call it. concerned kept on saying that eon is avoiding to answer if he believes it or not yet you yourself is avoiding to understand what eon's argument is. your already jumping to the conclusion that eon is not a patriot like you just because he's not trying to clear out what his stand on a theory is.

i just want to raise points on your previous points.

* "You counter viewpoints with VERY WEAK arguments."
According to you, anyway. But you're an idiot.


i don't like this one. why?
because if you're already commiting a form of fallacy by trying to answer an argument with a statement that is meant to tarnish eon's credibility of making a straight argument.

(sorry if i forgot what the exact fallacy is, you could read that in a philo book if you want. actually it's a real basic thing in philosophy.)


*I suppose that all patriotism would look like fanaticism to you, because you are a mere coward who left the hardships of this country to pursue an easy life in a rich country, and now doesn't even respect his national heroes.


I don't know what you're trying to point out here but again I still don't like this statement here.
you are generalizing. saying that someone that believes the statement that Rizal was Jd'Ripper does not value his own country's national heroes.
worst is eon is not even saying he believes the statement.


please you are the one that doesn't listen to anyone. that's not even patriotism you're doing. all i could see while reading on to this thread are arguments stated because of ego. you don't want to lose to someone having better arguments than you and to save that pride you even resort to calling people names just because you can't answer them straight.
Posted by badtripnapinoy  on  Tue Oct 27, 2009  at  04:55 PM
Come on, this is a shame if non-filipinos read this. You have to much comments that are so shameful. If you are very nationalistic and haters of the idea of this person, say so in more appropriate ways. This is only a theory. The article was far from being matter-of-factly. You have seen proofs and arguments. If you don't believe this, no need to trample on other people's theories.

Accept it as a theory, not a fact. Over time, us Filipinos have been branded as overly sensitive to things that tackle our race. Its really a shame.
Posted by Leo Lutero  on  Fri Jan 01, 2010  at  06:50 AM
Yes he is Jack the Ripper! The name "Jose Rizal" was actually written in blood by one of the victims that knew him on a wall. It was a very blurry, almost unreadable because when he was washing it, the authorities were alerted and he did not have enough time to erase it. That is why they concocted "Jack the Ripper" instead as an alias.

When he came back to the island of the Philippines, London finally knew his crimes that is why they immediately notified the Spanish government about it and his execution was swift. This was never written in history because of reasons that the investigation was lackluster -- a bad point for the London police and a big shame to the London government.

Despite that, to me, he is even more than a hero. He is the legend!
Posted by Andres  on  Wed Jan 13, 2010  at  01:03 PM
First of all, concerned is such an idiot, what he/she is doing is an embarrassment to Jose Rizal.

Now for the topic, I just want to know the truth because all of the arguments that point out to Jose Rizal being Jack the Ripper are very convincing, actually i want to prove that Jose Rizal is Jack the Ripper, it would make a very amazing discovery and someone pointed out that we should send this to NatGeo I AGREE! haha it would make a very interesting documentary. I have a few questions if someone can answer them it would be very helpful.

1. Where did Rizal live when the killings happened?

2. Did the killings actually stop during the time Rizal left London? Like the exact date?

3. About the kidney and the letter, what was written in the letter? and the kidney belonged to one of the victims? did it have an exact DNA match to that of the Victim?

4. Did Rizal have any person that he can be linked to during the time he was in London? A friend? A girl?

5. Is there any historical evidences of what he was doing while he was in London, maybe like he went to a gathering or he met someone?

6. Someone mentioned that there was some writings on the wall? it was written in blood? what was that about? can anyone explain its very intriguing.

That's about it, if anyone could answer my questions I would be very grateful 😊

BTW, EON, your statement:
( I've stated before that the living conditions in Whitechapel were dreadful at the time. The murders brought attention to these terrible living conditions and the world reacted in favor of change.

perhaps it was a "means to an end" approach to efficiently solving the problem. )

Bravo!
Posted by iWantToKnowTheTruth  on  Thu Jan 21, 2010  at  07:07 PM
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