Most people think the musician Jim Morrison, lead singer for the
Doors, died in Paris on July 3, 1971. But
Gerald Pitts says that he "discovered Jim Morrison Living on a Ranch in the Pacific Northwest in the summer of 1998." According to him, Morrison is living a quiet life as an American cowboy "away from the Hollywood scene." Even though Morrison evidently engineered an elaborate death hoax to escape publicity, he agreed to appear on film for Pitts. You can buy a copy of this film for only $24.95 (shipping is extra). Pitts' site includes a video comparing the features of Jim Morrison the fifty-something cowboy to Jim Morrison the twenty-something singer. However, no matter how many times I watch the video, I just don't see any similarity.
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Endless Harassment, Criticism, Judgements, etc. - the exact same reason he came to his demise?
Maybe at one point, he Thought he was ready, but then thought twice, in a way.
What would be gained ?
More money ? - doubt he needs it
Fame - he doesnt want it
Harrassment - he wanted to live without it
Its really a shame since the world didnt appreciate what was... and the oddity that WE now seek it out.
Justice would be gained. Jim would receive the rewards that were taken from him and he would be greatful. And everyone could use extra finances, especially when they are so deserving of them.
Jim couldn't come back as the rock star he was because he has changed so much in time and because music is not what it used to be. I think the many people would be fascinated by how Jim peceives reality, how he feels his work was publicized, the scope of his intellect and the care he has for his family and for his fellow man. Jim still writes and loves painting and this might be what is on the table if we are able to bring him out in a positive light.
I believe everyone wants Jim to receive the rewards that were taken from him, without a doubt. He was raped..And he was the Slave...Its so funny when you think about really How hipocrisy works.
Im sure its a situation where none of here has exprienced having to walk away from everything, or run in this case... Its not a "us" or "fans"win. I think everyone wants JIm to win and get was he wholeheartedly deserves. I have not seen any I hate jim morrison clubs lately, have you ? (j/k)
No one expecting Jim to come back as a rock star,, Personally i wouldnt care if he was bald, fat, toothless, hillbilly, or sang off tune... whatever......The people want him to come back as the artist he was and what he represented . A beautiful mind is a terrible thing to waste.
But I will agree to disagree with you on this.. If he wholeharted wanted to come out, he would...the man was not dumb, although a good legal team would be a big help in this case . You nor pitts have the means or powers that be to do it, and do it correctly, you cannot force what doesnt want to be, and if he does want to come out, im sure he would.
And i know i see your name listed everywhere taking flack for all of this, and at times I think you do deserve the flack you get , I do think it was handled poorly, and poorly represented as a circus act. And yes the famous singing at the table bit, at first i was skeptical , but i do believe it was/is him, but it sounds to me that it was not recorded with his concent like he was caught off guard, and please dont tell me to go buy a video to hear the whole thing, hey, maybe you can use the money from the video and donate it to charity or the "coming out fund" for his attorneys.
And Ironically this man that you both try to "break out" wanted to be taken seriously artistically and again according to your clips and pictures more looks like a circus act.
And yes you can come back and say i dont know jack shit, and thats fine, but again Im the Unsilent Majority and im sure most would agree what I had said.
On another note, I hear that the jimmorrison.com name was finally acquired for the Estate.......hmmm........will be intersting to see what is posted on the site when it does get going.
Actually this debate now seems to be heading the way I had always hoped that it would..subjective, concise and lucid.
For my part I have re-read ny prior comments and realise how agressive I have sounded. I'm sorry for this..its mainly cos i do my responses via my phone on the trot. I didnt mean to so I'm sorry.
JLizzard, I wish all your entries were as lucid and insightful as they have been recently. I think all of us here would agree that that you have a depth of knowledge and a passion for the subject that is inspiring (at your best).
Listen..if in the VERY unlikely event that Morrison was still with us..I echo what Dennis and Changeling have alluded to. He could just say hi!...fooled you all and like Greta Garbo, I want to be alone!..Sure he'd have to suffer a period of press attention, but after a time, they'd get bored and give up.Most hero worshipers mainly think of a young guy..not a guy in his sixties..their adoration would soon wane.
In short, he would ultimately be left alone to rear horses or whatever he wanted to do, and revert to the obscurity from which ths "cowboy Jim" thing has plucked him.
Goodnight
Andrew
JLizard, on the highmountainrogue site they have this quote: "A fingerprint match has happened through F.B.I agent D.W.Jones. Laser point measure between pupils says yes. Voice comparison is an affirmative. Photograph comparisons match. Congratulations everybody Jim Morrison is back."
Well, that sounds good, but means absolutely nothing until we see any of it. I'm skeptical, but I'm addressing you knowing that you fuly believe it to be true, so I'm taking it from that viewpoint... Do you think any of this stuff will be made public, to the point that everybody can be satisfied with the evidence?
Also: "Jim Morrison didn't fake his death. It really happened as we who know and were there, part of the true grapevine. Mr. Morrison simply took advantage of a bad situation. A little help, He's outa there. There was no conspiracy outside of the US."
He didn't fake his death?? Obviously, if this whole thing is true, then his death was faked, and I have a hard time not thinking he was complicit in that somehow. What does that mean, though? Did the French government offer some kind of witness protection thing? How did they fool Pam and others who say they saw his body, or expect them to keep the story straight? The witnesses, few though they were, who say they saw his body at death, make this whole thing suspect for me.
The DOORS seem to believe that at one time JM was an artist, and that they helped him get his art out to the world and that he got his share and that they are getting theirs.
JM was extremely difficult to work with. Unpredictable, unreliable, egotistic, and a druggie (and have any of you ever had to work with someone addicted to drugs- They're untidy, commanding, verbocious, they have friends who try to steal from you- it is torture). RRJ could only relate to JM's eccentric ways for so long, then it was nothing but nerve racking.
I think a lot of JM's angst was that he was trying to squeeze compassion out of RRJ but it was like trying to squeeze blood out of a rock. On several occasions he told them he was going to fake his own death- to me this seems like a cry for help- a longing to escape- but ultimately and ironically it was to escape FROM THEM.
I do not think that you can categorize JM's return to life like you would the wealthy lawyer who does the same to collect on insurance or to escape a fiesty wife. Jim Morrison had given to the world an art form it appreciated in his day and throughout history. . Jim's music still inspires the freedom seeking rebelious and instills fear into conventional fundamentalists.
Out of respect for Gerald Pitts' hard work, I tried to help him with his video and project but like everyone hear and even my closest personal friends say, "it just does not work". cowboy + rockstar + rodeos + Doors + Paris, France = le nausea or le bullshit, ha ha.
My way for the JM truth to come out if for a major rock and roll band to call Jim out on the stage or break it to the world that this is JM and he is their friend. But every rock and roll band out there, no matter how radical and independent they try to make themselves out to be, are bound by puppet strings as to how far they can go to express themselves. I have talked to Billy Idol's manager Carol personally (what drove Billy Idol to that crazy rendition of LA WOMAN I can only wonder), left messages for Alice Cooper, posted on Aerosmith's message board- no one wants to get booted off their record label. The "truth" has no place in their bread and butter sandwich. Or maybe they just don't respect Jim Morrison as a artist and that's up to them.
The Vacation Band out of Hollywood and Yakuza out of Chicago both traded me copies of their cds for Gerald's video, and I appreciate that. Cliff Morrison also called me to thank me for his copy.
Im sorry but Everyone realizes again I state JM was raped and was the slave..we get that..
We understand since he is not JM legally...the suits/estate get the money,royalties etc........we get that.
We get RRJ and others wont say anything due to the big money train may go to a hault......
But there is other ways!
Why keep blaming RRJ and anyone else for them not stepping up to acknowledge ?????
HE can put a stop to it... He dont need them or anyone else to acknowledge, he has himself for chrips sake ! ! !
Hes a big boy he can Tell the truth..there are more ways than just worrying about a Few key people acknowledging him, ..even write a tell all book and make $$$$$$ himself without the rest of the crew.
"My way for the JM truth to come out if for a major rock and roll band to call Jim out on the stage or break it to the world that this is JM and he is their friend " <----- that will never happen, if it did it would be with the Doors even with all that has went on.
Then here you go and start thowing Cliff Whomever's name around just to plug him in there, and that just killed it for me.... You seem to jump from one person or another dont think you would be doing any of this out of the goodness of your heart, you are doing this for $$$$$ yourself, also a hypocrite....
When you repost back , can you please, since you are the Authority on the subject so to speak,or pitt's puppeteer say something that you have not already said 1000X.
the same tune, over and over and over again,............ its like a broken needle on a record player........
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There are alot of cool people who post to this board, and i like to hear their rational options whether i agree or not,
.Im sorry but again but your on the wrong crusade then jlizard you seem to run to whichever truth is going to lead you to $.
Im sorry everyone i rattled on enough..but your intended twisted way ....twists me.
But..Dont forget his dad could of helped in all of this as well 😊
Im sure with careful planning it could of been accomplished no problem without a doubt.
Please focus on your points of view..somehow I yhink that we're getting close to the truth.
I say to all; please use paragraphs and punctuation..its not that I'm an English nerd, its just that it's really hard to read if you don't.
I suspect that some of these comments on this site are contributed by folk who have spent sme time in the "Pub" ..I would like rational discussion on this site for once; and as far as I can tell, Dennis is the guy to take this debate forward unless JLizzard has something fresh to contribute.
I almost take back my earlier praise of JLizzard; after his last rant.... but somehow I feel he's probably closer to the truth than any of us could ever get to.
I'm trying to look at this subjectively..I hope Morrison is alive..but I know in my heart that hee's dead. I dont give a damn about his lost fortune etc I hope the pathetic remaining Doors Fail as they deserve to
Cheers
Andrew
I was watching "France 24" news channel today where they mentioned that they were going to open Jims grave/coffin on 24th June..I wonder if anyone knows about this?!
It sounds very much like what that French kid Stephan was talking about a while back before various folk shut him up.
Is Jim in there? ..well we'll see!..at least we'll have some kind of conclusion. I heard that Andy Morrison will be at the exhumation.
I wonder what cowboy Jim will do if there is a legitimate skeleton..Oh well, we'll see
Cheers
Andrew
~Thanks!!
Mrs. Mojo Risin
From whan I can glean from the stuff that I've read, is that the only time this status changes is when the deceased become a National monument (ie Wilde,Piaf etc etc) at which time the authorities take over the care and preservation of the grave site.I dont know if Jims site has reached this status or not.
Personally I've visited Jims grave site many times..going back to 1976, and it truly is a toilet..graffiti, old syringes and half smoked reefers etc. I did hear that it has been cleaned up a bit..I hope so.
The only comment I can make is that the French are very different about the care of their dead than the Yanks or Brits...they think nothing of pulling them out..cleaning them up and shoving them back in again. I've seen this happen twice in Pere Lachaise..maybe this is whats going to happen later this month.
I guess this debate will continue whatever happens..and I'm glad of it..I love reading the comments and contributing to them..especially when I'm sober!
Cheers all
Andrew
Nothing about a Morrison dig-up.
May I inquire where you have herd this.
thank you.
As I've stated several times, I still believe Cowboy Jim is likely a scam, as striking as some of the pictures are, but I think your above statement is incredibly naive. If it is true that he faked his death and escaped (still a big IF for me), then you cannot expect he would have the same type of life as before. He was probably tired of being the mystical famous poet rock star. I think quietly living on a ranch somewhere raising horses is absolutely within the realm of possibility for him at this point.
And his relationship with Pam was so on-again off-again, from what I've read... we can't presume to know what the state of that really was... that was entirely personal between them. I'm sure, if he did escape, it was an extremely difficult decision, and leaving Pam behind was one of the things he would have had to accept.
The thing is, people sometimes change in a big way... My life is almost drastically different than it was about 12 years ago (I'm a recovering addict), and at that time when I got clean I had to make some big changes and essentially stop hanging out with certain people who had previously been a big part of my life and who I still love very much. But there's a point when self-preservation has to trump everything else. Jim was clearly sick and in danger of death (whether that actually happened or not) with all of his coughing up blood (which has been witnessed to by those who were with him in Paris), so he may have come to a point where he said that it's now or never as far as making a decision to duck out of being "Jim Morrison" and become "Bill Loyer" (or whoever). I would presume he checked immediately into some kind of rehab hospital for quite a while to get in better shape, and then who knows...
But in essence, you're still seeing or wanting to see the Jim Morrison of 1967, not the one who may have been up against a life or death wall in 1971 and definitely not the one who would have lived thereafter (if that's true). There's actually something that rings true for me about Jim raising horses on a ranch out in the woods that seems to fit what might be expected of him if he really did escape his former life.
-DC
DC you could be right.Anything is possible. No autopsy, no one knows where he was was being kept during the days before he was buried.
I do not believe Ronays story how it all came about.I do not believe he is in that grave.The french will never exhume that grave.Only his family have that ability to make such a decision.
If he died we all have a right to know where and how.If he chose to fake his death then his privacy is his right.I cannot say if that photograph is Jim as there are some striking resemblences.
Question! if Jim did live would he not receive money from The Doors royalties today.Could not that have been set up by his attorney or thru a third party?
Who started that rumour that Jim was going to be dug up on the 24th here?? I knew that was not true.
July 3 is near and this board will see action again Im sure.
Has anyone checked out "Mystery man" on YouTube?..I wont say his name but "blue suede shoes" should give you a clue...If this guy isn't the real thing, then I'm JM's Mum!
Have a look anyway..I guaranee its more convincing than this scrawney dildo who proffeses to be Jim Morrison...at least this guy denies being the man in question!
Cheers
Andrew
How would I have a clue what was going to happen in Pere Lachaise? I only saw a brief report on France 24 a while ago...did it happen? I dont know, nor do I care much!
It seems to me that you cant post on this site without the forensic scrutiny of the half informed...anyone called anon should just belt up!..what possible contribution can they make to a forum that is already tainted.
I can express a view or opinion if I want to! and I've never lied in my comments, on any subject..so I'm damned if I'll be lectured to by an Anon Switz..a silly superflous Country if there ever was one. At least have the courage to let me know your name, and recognise that your foul country harbours Nazis and bankrolls criminals!..The Swiss are a non-race of folk anyway..their opinions are as void as their species.
I have lived in Switz. and am a USA resident by birth. If you ever came to Switzerland you would find the people friendly. Im not so crazy about their government. Im concerned about how our government may turn to socialism.
So there you have it, my name is Steve!
And I want to give my respects this day of
July 3rd to Jim Morrison wherever he may or not not be.
May he never be forgotten.
I really didnt have a beef with you at all..my only problem is folk who post as annon..you're not annon now...you're Swiss Steve..it sounds way better than Switz anything.
I apolgise for my rude remarks to you a while back, but the truth is I still dont know if Jims grave has been cleaned up...theres a spooky silence in this respect.
My problem is that all this mystery perpetuates JLizzards comments,,I dont have a problem with JLizzard;I think that he is an extraordinarily eloquent guy.
I'd rather suspect that he's Jim Morrison, rather than that cowboy. I'm not sayin that he is!! as I believe Jim Morrison is dead in his grave..but if anyone was Jim I guess it'd be JLizzard..There I've said it..Are you Jim Lizzard?
Great if you were..Nighty night
Andrew
We all become very passionate about Jim on this board. I am familiarising myself with the posts here a little at a time. I have read a few from JLizard and am very intrigued by what he says.
I looked at the youtube of the comparison between the cowboy Jim and young Jim. Everything lines up, even the jaw.
I thought about Jim today and celebrated his music, despite the loss and sadness at the sudden loss of Michael Jackson.
And to all the folks on here, I wish you a Happy 4th of July!! USA--the greatest country in the world.
Steve K.
review
by Ken Wasky (Thunder Bay, Canada)
To me this book fully explained why Jim might have faked his death. The constant harrassment from the authorities made his life unbearable as it would any of us. His life became split into two realities. The one which the media made him out to be and his own: deep, creative, exploring. Two Jims, two personalities, intertwined yet separate. One very happy and one very very sad. Reading this book made me understand that he had to disappear. But, is Jim dead or not? Well, we do know there is much mystery about it. This book put my spirit at ease with any of the many possibilities. Mind expanding so to speak! I highly recommend you get this book for it may be the best you ever read.
I dont want to say anything negative about your last post, as I haven't read it yet ..I will a.s.a.p
Now I want to say something without you going off on one ok? I'm not trying to patronise you..nor am I trying to pick you up on anything. Despite your sometimes outlandish remarks; I believe that you have a peerless knowledge knowledge about Jim Morrison.
Here's my problem.
Like many of us on this site, I went back to post one..with the many to's and fro's of some patently disturbed folk who contributed. If not disturbed; then manipulating and decietful. Some were blatant liars..and some (like me) reported snippets of things they heard, as I believe any forum should do.
JLizard, you baldly stated much earlier, that you walked with Jim in Pere lachaise during his so called last days, and swapped poetry and insights with him. All of this is possible of course..but do you remember Chris King who was in Paris at the same time as you say that you were there?, who knew Jim fairly well at the Alliance de Francaise?
I know that Jlizzard is a "nom de plume" but I now think that you should come clean.
This debate has moved on from the days of Keri and you beasting eachother...why not debate what we read and see here and there...if its outlandish?..lets argue, but dont let us get weird. I believe Jims dead. Thats my position..I'd love it if he were alive..thats my other statement!
I'll still yell LA Woman when I'm drunk, whether he's dead or alive..and I dont regret the days and hours hunting down Doors records all over England when it was hard to do it.
Peace guys!!..the old hippy maxim which is lacking on this site...peace to you all
Andrew
It was during a drunk stuper and I was just trying to be literary. Keri asked me to tell Jim that she greatly admired him and while speaking to his wife I did. I emailed Keri of this great favor I did for her and months later still haven't heard from her. I didn't know Jim before... he faked his death when I was only 4.
The fact is that Chris King is a very old friend of mine; I've kown him since 1982 and I've been holding him back as a kind of trump card. he was in Paris and lived about four blocks from Jim at the time he died..not only that, he was in the movie production company that Jim was in within the UCLA complex.
Now, this is a fact..Chris doesn't know for sure that Jim is dead..and this is what annoys me..he saw that horrible coyboy Jim clip and said it could possibly be him. He said to me this evening that he sounded very similar to how Jim sounded "off scene"
What do I know anymore?..I give up!..My trump card says that cowboy Jim could be...well Jim..I guess I'll go and shoot myself now..
Bye...BANG!!
oops I missed
Andrew
I didn't write with more than one guise, just good ol' jlizard. If I should be impressed that you know Chris King, than I am : ). This week I had the honor of speaking with Bill Loyer aka Jim Morrison's best friend David Logan. David is working on a website highmountainrogue which is to include more pictures of Bill and in time a video.
Thanks for your reply..actually I was worried abot you as you hadn't posted for a while.
I grant you that you are the JLizard that we've all come to love on this site; but allow me some kind of allowance about comments under different guises or names here.
JLizard I think it would be one of the most awesome events in my life if I knew that Morrison was still alive..I dont expect him to jump on the stage and say "Hi!..kidded you twits for three decades"..I believe that everyone would respect his wish for obscurity.
Well I wait to be convinced; but in the meantime; you take care of youself,,eat more and drink less. I'm not a psycic particularly but I have a sense about you.
Cheers
Andrew
A good response, one that I agree with and most elegently put. I also think that Jim is dead and to be trueful, I'd hate for him to be alive in the Cowboy Jim guise.
I've been listening to his material recently, and there is absolutely no way that Cowboy Jim is the same guy as Jim on the soundstage recordingds. I know that years and years have passed, but I still think that mystery Man is more likely to be Elvis alive than that Jim guy.
Jim..an enigma wrapped in a mystery etc..well it keeps this site going doesn't it?
Farewell truth seekers
Andrew
Long time eh? first off on that rougue site, i think pitts is now just passing the buck onto someone else, (jmo), and yes jliz will still be the cheerleader, but the only thread that keeps me going is the voice, if you listen to past interviews the speech pattern is the same, just a older voice. Again who knows. Its like beating a dead horse, nothing new, just same old 360. but its a shame he is not brought back to LA