Build a Better Caias

Caias Ward is a guy who used to weigh 315 pounds and then lost 100 pounds in a few months. As a result his skin got all loose and saggy. He's hoping to get plastic surgery to help tighten his skin, but the bill for the operation is $14,098, which he can't afford. So this is his solution:

I need 7500 people to donate $2.32 so I can get my surgery. If people want to give me more, that's great, but $2.32 is the number I'm looking for from people. If you don't feel comfortable just donating money, I'm willing to do a number of outrageous (or not so outrageous) things in order to earn your money. The amount you send will determine what I am willing to do.

The obvious question this raises is whether it's for real, or is it all an elaborate sob story to scam money? Caias says: "some people have requested proof that I am a real person. It's completely understandable, and I appreciate the concern in this day and age. I'm working on a way to prove my circumstance, from the exam photos for the surgery consultation all the way to 'meet and greets' in the New York and New Jersey area." Caias sounds like a real person, but even so, what if he decides in the end not to get the operation because he only gets halfway to his financial goal? Will he return whatever money he received? Donate it to charity? Or what? That was the main problem with Invest In My Breast (if anyone remembers that scam).

Body Manipulation

Posted on Sun Mar 06, 2005



Comments

Not a very bright boy, are you? Indignation looks nothing like begging.

And the name is Victoria... as spelled. As to details of who I am, they are not the issue. I'm not putting myself up for grabs for this insideous little pile of rot you all think is worthy of your respects over human dignity.

The fact that you cannot discern writing styles is another tribute your wildly lacking mental capacity.

Go do something with your time instead of jacking off to what you perceive to be a fault in someone else. You're life will be so much more meaningful.
Posted by Victoria  on  Mon Mar 21, 2005  at  11:50 PM
Considering I showed her the link a few minutes after I posted, it doesn't seem odd.

In the future, I ask anyone who is supporting me to provide some proof of who they are. MySpace profile, Livejournal, perhaps a note from their mother will work? My friend Monk is posting soon, I asked him to put proof that he is a real person and not some split personality of mine...

People will question or not. I'm offering goods and services so that I can get this surgery. It may not be Sally Struthers in Africa, but Sally won't be able to edit your corporate reports (I've worked as an editor for 13 years).
Posted by Caias Ward  on  Mon Mar 21, 2005  at  11:52 PM
so its rather interesting, tho not unexected to see something like this. first, i must say that it doesnt surprise me to see such attention paid to the situation. something as outrageous as what caias is doing is sure to draw suspicion. now, secondly, i must say i feel rather dissapointed in some of the posts here. ive see parhaps 50% of the posts bearing some semblence of intelligent thought, or planning. the rest seem to be the same narrowminded and hate filled, or ignorance bred bullying that would lead someone to hate their own appearence as much as caias does. the same comments that force one to believ ethat to ever have a fair chance in life, one must conform as closely as possible to the "norm" of physical appearence. the man had a serious problem. he did his best to better himself, and the result is a healthier caias, with a slight problem. the man cant even get a full nights sleep because of the excess of skin...it isnt a point to be mocked or ridiculed. he didnt get stomach stapling, or other cosmetic enhancements to do this...he sweated and bled for it...i think he deserves respect for that at least. as for his seriousness, he refuses to take money as a handout...hence the acts ranging from amazing to talented to insane, and hes perfectly serious. if it seems to those of you who can gather an inference, that i know caias, youre correct. caias is a great friend of mine, whom i sympathize with greatly. hes a counsel, and a helper, and hell, hes even a dork. i play D&D with the man every friday. ive been here, and helped encourage the entire plan. so whether or not you believe caias is real, or that hes in it for a true cause, please, bear enough respect as people to keep ignorant opinions out, and lets at least have an intelligent discussion over it...also, if you doubt his reality, look for him on myspace...if you doubt mine, the url i provided is my myspace page....hopefully its real enough.
Posted by monk  on  Mon Mar 21, 2005  at  11:59 PM
What's that smell?

Oh, yes, BULLSHIT.

Funny how you people all popped up at the same time and all...

I'm not saying the guy isn't looking for money for plastic, I'm saying that I think you're crazy to think that anyone here (a HOAX site) will believe that you and your buddies all just happened to drop by all at the same time...

And in the middle of the night on a weekday, too.
Posted by Rod  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  12:35 AM
I've never met Caias in person (but I wouldn't mind doing so -- he seems like a cool person to hang out with) but I'm not convinced this is a hoax.

Caias is doing some e-panhandling. There's nothing wrong with it. People who want to give, will give; those who don't, won't.

He's not spamming people with unsolicited emails asking you to give him money (which would be annoying).

Still, congrats, Caias, on making it into the Museum of Hoaxes. The viral is spreading. 😊
Posted by Dossy  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  04:42 AM
So, Rod, what can I do to prove that these people are real people? Point out that one of them is a college student, and thus up all night? Or perhaps others live in other time zones? There are roughly 23 others?

As for Dossy (someone who I met through my journal), it's not exactly e-panhandling. Think of me as the guy on the corner selling stuff. You don't get offended when he sells you a paper; why should you get offended when I try to sell you something?

That goes for all of you. Buy or not, use my services or not, your call. I'll still be raising money.
Posted by Caias Ward  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  06:05 AM
Based on their IP addresses Caias, Victoria, and Monk are all different people. At least, they're all posting from different computers.

Like I said in my original post about this, my hunch was that Caias was perfectly real and on the level. My main reason for posting about it was that I thought what Caias was doing raised an interesting issue of how you know whether to trust people you encounter on the internet.

Though as Caias points out, if you buy a service or product from him, it doesn't matter whether or not you believe his story. Presumably you're getting something for your money.
Posted by The Curator  in  San Diego  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  08:42 AM
Nother actual friend of Caias coming out of the woodworks. I think its absolutely hilarious that people consider this a hoax. Ohh, and for those of you who think that we're all the same person? I'm not on at the same time as everyone else!! Hooray!!!! I met Caias for the first time...what? year and a half ago now? In that time he has been the sweetest, most helpful person I have ever known. Even when I would brush him off for months on end because I was too busy to chat, he was always there for him when I needed him. And he'd always "*bring a sofa*" to relax and chat on in IM. :D There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Caias is doing, and if you think he's a hoax, thats fine, don't donate. Otherwise, help the guy out. I know there have been times in your life where you could have used a hand up, physically, emotionally, or financially, why not help someone else? Is $2.32 really gonna break your pocket book?
Posted by Sarah / k4jt3  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  10:30 AM
This'll teach me to double check before I post.

"Even when I would brush him off for months on end because I was too busy to chat, he was always there for him when I needed him."

Yeah, that should read "...always there for ME when I needed him."

*runs off to find dye to cover her blonde roots*
Posted by Sarah / k4tj3  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  10:33 AM
I can think of a heck of a lot of scams that would be more interesting than "Please help get rid of my extra skin." Such as "Please help my grandma who is dying of leukemia," or "Please help! My dog who could die of cancer if he dosn't get this operation," or "Please help my disabled little girl to fulfill her wish." C'mon, stop and THINK for a second!

Plus, $2.32 is a pretty random figure, not to mention it's NOT a lot of money! Wouldn't $10 or $20 per person be a lot more reasonable to ask for if it were a scam?

What sort of proof do you want? He could take a picture naked to show all and yet people would still claim it was Photoshopped. Words and replies can be taken out of context and twisted. Do you really want proof? Or do you prefer to demean someone with the great annoymous internet?

I don't know this person personally. I don't give out money to strangers, I don't lend or give money to friends unless I am sure of what will be done with it. All the rude and absolutely horrid comments have actually piqued my curiosity to check into this person, and I'm quite curious to see how this turns out.
Posted by Lori  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  10:52 AM
Thank you, Lori.

I picked $2.32 because it if you say it as 'two thirty two', it's catchy. It's also results in 2 dollars after fees from Paypal (which people have been uses to send payment for items and such).

As for giving money to strangers, it's generally a good idea. It's why I'm offering goods and services online, so that people actually get value for it, and it's not sending money somewhere and hoping it works out. You actually get something out of it.
Posted by Caias Ward  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  11:02 AM
Caias is real I know him and can supply proof, ie dinner receipts for coffee at 3am, however I am not real, so this may or may not debunk everything including my two year old kid. Point being Caias is a good guy, I spelled his name wrong for like the first six months I knew him though
Posted by Ryan  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  11:09 AM
I'll preface this with a couple links to "prove" that I'm a real person. Although I'm sure I'll get the same speculation/distrust as others, which is to be expected.

My URL is to my myspace page. I also have a LiveJournal which you can visit at http://www.livejournal.com/users/capricia/. I also have an OkCupid page at http://www.okcupid.com/profile?tuid=10260753505770138930.
I've got a bunch more, so please feel free to ask. And before you speculate that I created these in five minutes just so I could post this, check the sign up dates. I've had my LJ for years, and myspace since a year or two ago.

Moving on... the original poster of this, I think it's Alex, brought up some valid points about this whole thing. There are lots of "what ifs" to Caias 's "project". But, what it comes down to is, so what?

I know Caias personally, so, he'll get my money... and the people who support his cause will contribute their's and hopefully spread the word.

It's not as if he's being aloof or "shady" about any of his information. He's offered to meet people in person for fuck's sake. If you really don't believe him that much, take him up on the offer.

If you don't want to give the man your money, that's your perogative... but what the hell gives you the right to flame him publicly just because you don't believe in what he's doing? He sure as hell isn't hurting any of you. So, to the "nay sayers", speculate what you will, you're more than entitled to. But, to those of you who think you're witty by bashing somebody you barely know, grow up. I left highschool years ago, maybe you guys would like to join me sometime.
Posted by Bean  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  11:13 AM
Bean, you are, ofcoarse, entitled to speak your mind. Remember that others here are allowed to do the same. The discussion of Caias is similar to other topics that have turned out to be fruadulant(DiD I spell that right??) and that is why it is on here, it sparks interest, and also shows how others feel about someone doing this, after all, he put himself in the spotlight and probably knew people would think negative about it, and he probably didn't give a shit because chances are, he will get some money. So, why get so stressed about it.
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  11:29 AM
What's going on everyone...

Caias is a good friend of mine, I've known him for a few years. I've posted his banner in my LiveJournal... http://www.livejournal.com/users/threadingfate

Because I believe in Caias. I held witness to the large amount of weight he did lose. And if it doesn't sound believable, because of the pictures - well don't forget, it's not always weight but inches themselves that matter a lot in the appearance themselves. And you can lose a bunch of inches in water weight before noticing any signifigant pound decrease - that was the case with Caias. I'm not going to lambast people for the things they've said on this thread, I wont even disagree with them. But I am here to inform you that Caias is in fact a real person - as am I. And to verify that this weight was lost, and that any money given to Caias will be used towards his surgery (not that it is any of your business anyway). If you don't feel comfortable giving money to people on the internet - then don't. Hell if you don't feel comfortable giving money to people period, then don't. It's irrelevant whether or not you believe him. But he's not here begging for anyone's money - he's here offering goods and services to obtain money for something he believes in - it's not panhandling.
Posted by Joe  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  11:41 AM
Am I the only one that doesn't know this guy????
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  12:10 PM
Not really. Lots of people don't know me. But they can get to know me if they would like. Drop me an IM or something.

Spread the word. 😊
Posted by Caias Ward  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  12:20 PM
Just to add a note, if this is really Caias (We have had people go to some extremes to trick us)We do have serious discussions on here. Allthough at times we get this virus called (Rod) and it tends to start these incoherent ramblings. J/K Rod!!!! Anyway, there are a handfull of us (Including me) that like to make comments to get a little entertainment sparked up in here. We like hoaxes, and sometimes joke about what might be a joke, unless proven otherwise. Just let it be known that your site has gotten a little more attention, some bad, some good, but non the less, ATTENTION.

We have people wander in here at times (Someone linked us) not knowing exactly what we are, and in the confusion, start cursing us or whatever. Funny at times, but does get annoying. That means we get negative attention then. It works both ways. But it's (I hate this phrase) All GOOD!!!!

For future refferance for those of you that look up to me and learn from me, even, should I say, "Worship" me, You just witnessed ME rambling in an almost confused state of mind, please forgive if this made no sense what so ever.
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  01:08 PM
You know, people, if you read my original post and didnt't just scan it, I said "I'm not saying the guy isn't looking for money for plastic"

I'm not saying he isn't for real.

I'm saying that it's kinda funny that all of these people showed up very soon after caias' first post.

As for changing IP addresses, if I wanted to I could post every single message with a different IP. It's pretty damned simple, anyone can do it. Use GHOSTSURF. I don't use ghostsurf in my "daily reads" because I prefer using Firefox and Ghostsurf does not support Firefox. I would have to use Internet Explorer (or another browser) to use ghostsurf, which I do whenever I go to a site I've never been to. IE allows all of the popups and has tons of open backdoors.

Yes, being skeptic makes you look like a jerk at times. Especially when you're already a jerk (Type 3, just go read Pro-Ana).
Posted by Rod  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  01:27 PM
Another imaginary friend who swears that Caias is real here.

I first met Caias shortly after being abducted by aliens for the fourth time. Being pretty much inured to the whole ordeal by now, I spent much of my time getting to know the other abductees. I remember it was during the anal-probing that I first laid eyes on a pudgy young fellow screaming on the metal slab next to mine. In an attempt to distract him from his rectal violation, I asked him his name.

"Caias", he croaked through the tears.

"Kie-us?" I asked? "Spell that."

"C uunng... A ooohhh... I whooah... A eieeeee... S urk!...", he managed to say between the reciprocations of the probe.

"Glad to meet you, Caias. I take it this is your first time?"

"Yes", he sobbed. "Is this going to end soon?"

"There's only about three more minutes of probing, then the full body depilation followed by the semen extraction - you'll like that", I said. "Kinda makes the whole thing worth-while"

"I sure hope so", he whined.

"This is my fourth time here but I'm still a n00b compared to Barney over there. This is his 8th abduction this year alone. To your right is Betty. She's been here three times, I think. John on my left here is on his second time. Martin across the aisle there seems to live here. At least he's been here every time I have and some of the old-timers speak of him from when they were first abducted."

"So I can expect this sort of thing to happen to me alot?", his voice breaking with fear and outrage.

"Yeah, some of us are just lucky that way", I replied.

Coming up next week on When Aliens Abduct will Caias be the lucky one chosen for alien impregnation? And how will he deal with the resulting stretch marks giving birth to a 50lb alien causes? Turn on, Tune in, Drop out and see!
Posted by Charybdis  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  01:45 PM
"C uunng... A ooohhh... I whooah... A eieeeee... S urk!...", he managed to say between the reciprocations of the probe." - Charybdis

Ahh! Nothing like a good reciprocating probe...
Posted by Rod  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  02:19 PM
Hey, Who wants Pro Ana back!!!!!!!!! For good old times, sake!!!
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  02:40 PM
Them's fightin' words Stephen. Ya shoulnda outa gone there.
Posted by Charybdis  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  02:51 PM
Wow, there's a lot of inagination that you all have put into these comments, especially that last one Charybdis, a real piece of work.

Lucky for you all, Caias appears to have a decent enough sense of humor to press forward through the nay-sayers.

I never met him in person (as California is a long ways away) but know full well that he is an honest and sincere person and know people who know him personally.

Come on everyone. What have you got to lose but a little more than 2 bucks!

Ya know, it's all of the skeptics who miss out on the really good karma paybacks. 😊
Posted by Thea  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:04 PM
Where did that come from?????????? She speaks of him as if he's a GOD!!!
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:06 PM
So if we are all imaginary friends of Caias who is just using something like the Ghost-thingy, why bother? And if you do want to bother, why not follow the links we provide and talk to us instead of assuming that Caias is doing all this to "dupe" you into giving him free money (which he isn't asking for in the first place)?

Ohh, and just cause I forgot post these in my first few posts...
http://www.livejournal.com/users/k4tj3
http://dorei.dragonflydreams.org/sarah
http://www.okcupid.com/profile?tuid=14846935789043322841
Posted by Sarah / k4tj3  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:07 PM
Why don't you all talk about me that way....I need better followers.
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:07 PM
Well, Sarah, it's more fun to think it is a scam. With all of his followers comming forth, I can see that it isn't. But that ruins the fun!!!
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:18 PM
You are indeed awe inspiring and interesting Stephen. I think I'm going to create a fan site and devote some of my time and energy into worshipping you... but only if you church up and send Caias a donation. 😊 😊
Posted by Thea  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:20 PM
It's not that we don't believe all of you. I'm willing to believe that you are all on the up-and-up. I just don't like people asking for something for nothing. Therefore I poke fun at them. Get a job, ya bum!

And don't be dissin' Stephen. He has THE POWAH!
Posted by Charybdis  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:27 PM
Thea said :
"You are indeed awe inspiring and interesting Stephen. I think I'm going to create a fan site and devote some of my time and energy into worshipping you... but only if you church up and send Caias a donation."

WoW!!!! This is what Im talking about. If Thea is a Woman, then I'm in LUV!!!! 😜
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:30 PM
I thought you had a girlfriend. Is it an open relationship? If so, is she cute? 'cause I'm available.
Posted by Charybdis  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:35 PM
Oh wait. You're in McKinney. Damn furreners.
Posted by Charybdis  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:36 PM
Like I said, it's not that I don't believe the guy wants surgery.

And it's not inconceivable that he just told his friends about it after he found the thread.

BUT, if you don't go into things with at least a BIT of scepticism, you would never find out if the guy was for real. As has been proven elsewhere ad nauseum, taking everything you see on faith can fuck you up pretty good. Just ask the peopple who gave Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker a bunch of cash.
Posted by Rod  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:37 PM
Charybdis,

Pay attention. Caias isn't asking for $2.32 for nothing. He's willing to sell products or provide a service. For those of us who are kind souls, we'll give him the money to help him out, for the rest of "ya bums"...duh.
Posted by Sarah / k4tj3  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:40 PM
HEY!!!! yous, your the Forrener, This has nothing to do with my woman!!!! and yeah, she's a babe!!!
Met her at a New year party and thought she was too cute to talk too. So I just kissed her at midnight on the cheek (Luckily, I didn't get slapped) The rest is history. That was a little more then a year ago.
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:42 PM
Something for nothing? Have you even read what he's doing, or have you just bothered to read the flame war?

And I don't see how thats a dis, it's an acknowledgement of his charming wit.
Posted by Thea  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:42 PM
Ok, so I rambled a little.!!!!
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:43 PM
Are you Wiccan Thea????
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:44 PM
I mean, Sara???
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:45 PM
Eeeenteresting how you don't appear to have read what he is actually proposing.

Something for nothing? Pay more attention.

And I wasn't "dissin'" Stephen, I was acknowledging his charming wit.

(if this double posts it's because IE is being fantastically lame today)
Posted by Thea  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:45 PM
Does it matter? No, I'm not wiccan.
Posted by Sarah / k4tj3  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  03:58 PM
Just curious, The words you used earlier reminded me of how my Best friends mother talks.
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  04:00 PM
I have Charming wit......I knew it.... She Digs me!!! any way, I have to leave work and go home. Night everyone!!!!
Posted by X  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  04:01 PM
I need 7500 people to donate $2.32 so I can get my surgery.

do
Posted by Charybdis  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  04:21 PM
Sha na na na, sha na na na na,
Yip yip yip yip yip yip yip yip
Mum mum mum mum mum mum
Get a job
Posted by Rod  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  04:35 PM
I have services worth 14,000 dollars. I'm a professional writer and editor. I wrote 4 books last year for several roleplaying game companies, and have worked for such companies as Hewlett Packard (contact privately and I'll send you links). I've done graphic design for two political campaigns in the past two years.

That being said, I figured I could advertise my services so people could take advantage of my expertise. It's called marketing myself, and also finding a way to do so that will stand out past the other people. I happen to have a hook (I'm raising money for my surgery). My other work, I pay my regular bills with. But I've designated some of my consultant work to go towards the surgery. I've also have lots of stuff I can sell, and lots of other things I can do to raise money.

Panhandling is standing around and asking people to just send me money. I'm providing goods and services so I can reach a goal. I've selling a rare book this week; I've been tutoring college students.

Take advantage of my services or not, your choice. You don't want to, Charybdis, your choice. I have an interview with a web consulting firm that heard about my campaign and to which I was referred by a previous client. They will get value out of my work, and I will get closer to my goal.

But you shouldn't speak for everyone; it's gullible to assume everyone feels the same as you. The money I have earned so far, and the support I've received so far proves otherwise. I wish there was some way I could give you proof; maybe after it's all said and done, and you see the after pictures, you'll have a little more faith that not everyone is out to screw you.
Posted by Caias Ward  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  06:08 PM
Caias... Do you honestly believe that this is not panhandling?

Really?

If you really have all of these skills, which you probably do, then use THEM to get what you want.

Don't go on the internet asking people for money for this operation, go on the internet with an ad for your services.

And why should the person hire you just so you could get an operation, anyway? If I was to walk into a place and say I needed an operation (oh, lets say a sex-change), why the hell should anyone hire me just because I wanted to look differently?

And, by the way, panhandling is "approaching strangers to beg for money or food". Which is exactly what you're doing.
Posted by Rod  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  06:23 PM
Ok, folks, seriously, this is getting kind of out of hand. "Get a job." Duh. Caias has plenty of skills and does plenty of work, but that doesn't mean that he has all the money in the world to do whatever he wants. Shit, I've worked at the same place for the past year and a half, make decent money and have decent skills, and I still cant afford a $500 car I'm buying off my sister. And anyway, who cares if its e-panhandling, begging, selling, whatever. It DOES NOT make him a hoax. Regardless of if you want to donate or not. It just makes him desperate to do something to make his life better. Thats more than I can say about a lot of people in this world.
Posted by Sarah / k4tj3  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  07:27 PM
Panhandling is standing around and asking people to just send me money. I'm providing goods and services so I can reach a goal.

I need 7500 people to donate $2.32 so I can get my surgery.

What kind of goods or services do people receive for their $2.32?

You may get some people to actually exchange their money for your services but mostly you seem to be relying on donations. Your own blog backs this up.

People on corners hold signs reading "Will work for food". They are still panhandlers.

There are hundreds of thousands of people trying to get something for nothing on the internet. Your comment about donations indicates that you are one of them.

I exchange my money for goods and services that I need or desire. When I donate money I do so for causes that help underpriveledged people or those suffering from life-threatening events beyond their control. I don't do it so a fat man can feel better about himself. I hardly think that cosmetic surgery to make you feel better about yourself counts as a worthy cause.

I freely admit one point. You are completely free to ask people for money. But don't be surprised if some of them don't appreciate your "entreprenurial" spirit.
Posted by Charybdis  on  Tue Mar 22, 2005  at  07:59 PM
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