Troy Hurtubise claims that he's invented a machine, dubbed the Angel Light, that can see through walls. It doesn't really matter what the wall is made of: wood, ceramic, steel, tin, titanium, even lead. The Angel Light can see right through it, just as if a window had opened up in the wall. Of course, he built this thing in his garage (where else?). The idea for the invention came to him in a dream, and he built it without the aid of any blueprints, drawings or schematics. Although Troy may hope to one day be known throughout the world as the inventor of the Angel Light, he's already well known as the inventor of the URSUS MARK VII, a suit that can help a man withstand the attack of a Grizzly Bear (see that suit in the right corner of the thumbnail? That's the Grizzly suit). So from Grizzly Bear suits to Machines That Can See Through Walls. No one can accuse him of not having an interesting resume.
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"No, he doesnt understand his own invention. If it defys the laws of physics, who does understand it? lol"
I don't really know where to begin with you. So, your stand is that Troy has invented a machine that HE doesn't understand? Um, how does he know what it does, in that case? And how do YOU know what it does?
"Angel light is the only 1 of his inventions without video recordings of it beeing tested."
How fascinating that the only "invention" of his which violates the known laws of physics just happens to be also the only one for which there is no video. Wow, what a coinkidink! You know, a cynical person might think that that is because the friggin' thing DOESN'T work and therefore can't be shown in operation on tape.
"i suggest taking a lil trip to india my friend...(ive seen it with my own eyes... find something a lil more perplexing next time rasberry)"
Again, you are inscrutable. What, exactly, is it you claim to have seen in India?
"With the magnetic field of the earth, and the energy stored in your electrolytes, it is theoretically possible to levitate or at the least, lower your weight significantly (depending on the atmospheric pressure/the strength of the earths magnetic field at that specific location/the charge in your electrolytes etc)"
Either you can prove that these things happen or you can't. Period. Do you have any idea how infinitesimally small the magnetic effect of the Earth is on your body? Do you SEE people levitating around you? Again, if you believe you can levitate, PROVE IT.
Give me a logical reason that a person who invented an amazing machine that violates all the known laws of physics wouldn't videotape it in operation. You make reference to "initial tests." Why didn't he take the simple step of taping it while he was testing it? You expect us to take his word for this (as you obviously do). Why should we?
"Also, you would c videos/info on his other inventions. NOBEL PRIZE winning inventions i might add!"
OK, you have now left the Realm of Believability. Are you honestly claiming that Troy Hurtubise has won a Nobel Prize??? That claim, of course, is easily checked. WHICH Nobel Prize did he win (there is more than one, you know) and what year did he win it?
"So whom do you think i trust more? a NOBEL PRIZE winner with video footage of his tests or a lil media fanatic who has his head so far up his @$$ that he closes off his mind from anything that would bend the "laws" of physics?"
Your claim that Troy Hurtubise has won a Nobel Prize was SO bizarre that I had to check to see what you could possibly be thinking of.
Guess what: I found it! In 1998, Troy was awarded an IGnobel Prize.
Here you go, see for yourself (look under the 1998 listings):
http://improb.com/ig/ig-pastwinners.html
I was right. You are not to be taken seriously.
Personally, it makes no difference in my life (at all) if you disbelieve or believe. But if you hold no respect for him at all, then im eagerly awaiting to c your face on the discovery channel! (altho i doubt that you understood what i meant by that lol)
It's kinda pathetic tho, that humans (in general) believe that science is infallable... that way of thinking had many a great man killed...
"the earth is round!" *dies*
those "laws" of physics are made by men, not by some invisible force or something. laws of physics are the human way of saying "in general, we found it to work like this..."
just cuz you find a diamond on the street doesnt mean theres a mine under the concrete, doesnt mean there isnt tho...(oooo analogys! complicated 😛 lol)
(try to make links between the things i said before trying to flamme me this time)
That also would have been news all over the place. Then, when I checked to see what you could possibly be referring to, I discovered that you apparently confused a NOBEL Prize with an Ignobel Prize, which is about as similar to a Nobel as a Golden Raspberry (a "Razzie") is to an Oscar.
In my opinion, you SO want to believe that Troy has made an Earth-shaking discovery that you block out any evidence to the contrary. I'll say it one more time: If Troy's device does what he claims it can do, all he has to do to silence his critics is PROVE IT. If and when he does that, he will actually win that Nobel Prize you thought he already had.
All the wishful thinking in the world does not equal a single shred of actual PROOF.
"those "laws" of physics are made by men, not by some invisible force or something. laws of physics are the human way of saying "in general, we found it to work like this..."
The laws of physics are discovered through TESTING. We may have theories about how things work but those theories are proven or disproven by TESTING. Those that prove to be accurate are then called "Laws of Physics." Those that don't fall by the wayside.
If Troy Hurtubise has invented something that violates the known laws of physics, he is being negligent by not allowing proper testing of that device. If it does what he claims, he is able to move mankind's knowledge of the world around it by leaps and bounds. Either he is selfishly withholding vital knowledge from his fellow man OR he knows the machine doesn't do the things he has claimed. Take a guess as to which I think is the case.
You can rationalize all you want but you can't get around the fact that no one is obligated to buy his story until he PROVES it to be true.
By the way, when will you apologize to me for the claim that I was being lazy when you have shown that you didn't bother to find out that Troy has never won a NOBEL Prize? A wee bit lax on your part, given that the research needed to disprove your claim took me less than thirty seconds via Google.
Angel light is, as we speak, being researched in europe.
Sources?
Europe is a large place, you know...
You then say that you aren't a "freaking encyclopedia", but if you actually had any information you could very easily write it.
"Yeah, I read about it on Oxford's website"
I WAS hoping to get a decent conversation on this subject, but all you guys do is put me in a bad mood.
I want you to believe what I'm about to say. If and when Troy Hurtubise proves that his "invention" works as he claims it does, no one will be happier than me. Our world will be a more interesting place and mankind will be better informed about it. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening. The evidence (or lack thereof) suggests that Troy is just telling stories about Angel Light.
It's been discussed so long and with so much heat for several reasons:
1. The "Angel Light" and associated follow-on articles in baytoday.ca are just plain friggin' hold-your-sides-laughing funny!
2. The fact that they were actually published is even funnier! (But also makes a sad commentary about the state of journalism today.)
3. The fact that people take them seriously is funnier yet! (But also makes a sad commentary about how credulous some people are, and how completely devoid of knowledge about the Scientific Method: what it is, why it's important, how it works and why it works.)
4. There are lots of people in the world who desperately need to learn more about journalistic responsibility, skepticism and the scientific method. Some of these good folks make their needs known by posting statements asserting that Troy's claims are to be taken at face value and/or that inconclusive or nonexistant "evidence" is sufficient to prove Troy's claims and/or their own home-grown "logic" should be used to prove Troy's claims. People like Cranky Media Guy kindly respond to their "calls for help" and take the time to help bring them up to speed.
It's all about having some good laughs and helping people in the process!
That said, this would definately be a shorter thread if so many people didn't insist on trying to revive dead horses: topics that have been beat to death in previous posts that are posted as if the writer has had some new flash of insight ("BUT IT WAS PROVEN ON THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL!!! etc.)
"People like Cranky Media Guy kindly respond to their "calls for help" and take the time to help bring them up to speed."
Yup, that's me, Benefactor to Mankind. Actually, what the deal is is that, since I've been involved in the Wonderful World O' Hoaxes for a long time now, I just have an highly-evolved BS Detector.
I have no problem at all with hoaxes that are satirical, but stuff like LifeWave is more properly called "fraud" as it takes advantage of people who might well need legitimate medican help (a "lack of energy" may indicate a medical condition).
There's also a part of me that is just amazed when I see adults taken in by what appears to me to be obvious fraud. I wish I was Bill Gates so I could fund teaching awareness of this sort of thing in grade schools all over the country. By the way, I was kidding about the Benefactor of Mankind thing. I'm a big jerk; I just play Benefactor of Mankind on the Web.
I came across an old Outside Magazine (May 1997) and threw it on the kitchen table without even noticing the "One Man's Odd Obsession to get Whupped by a Grizzley Bear" headline on the front cover. My wife discovered the article and within minutes, MAN did we have a good laugh. :lol:
This is worth a read, as it has a few gems I haven't come across yet. Don't want to spoil them all, but here are a few choice tidbits:
1. Apparently the URSES Mark VII weighs 147 POUNDS!
2. Here's an awesome Hurtubise quote: "This suit, unlike any ever built," he says, jabbing at the air as he speaks, "has not only an exoskeleton, it has an endoskeleton, too." ❓ ...Anyone care to take a stab at this one? ❓
3. Three more things Troy promises to revolutionize: Hockey, fire control and riot control! Add 'em to the list!
4. And finally, the characteristic now-you've-got-him-started rant that goes off the deep end:
<snip>
And he fully expects a corporate backer, probably Japanese, to front him the $500,000 he needs for the Mark VII, the ultimate Ursus suit.
"Total top of the line," Hurtubise says. "I gotta go to NASA for the materials. This suit will have 90 percent flexibility. (-- HUH ❓ --) I can sit down and have a cup of coffee with it on."
"Japan," he says, "has the foresight to say, 'Give this man a half a million dollars, let him build the Mark VII. All we want from it is the blueprints.' And then they'll put $50 million into it and they'll have a suit that will revolutionize fire control. Or riot control: While they're jumping on top of you, you're eating your sandwich inside. The only way you're going to kill the Mark VII is a rogue elephant with fangs. They'll make a billion off it in ten years."
</snip>
Line by line, man, that is some funny S__T. :lol:
I love how he talks about the entire nation of Japan as if he can aggregate all Japanese individuals into some kind of abstracted entity he can wheel-and-deal with directly. He's got this whole sales pitch and he's got himself all revved up to deliver it to "Japan."
At least I don't have to blast Outside Magazine for flaky reporting. The author seems to have tongue firmly in cheek and a wry sense of skepticism.
Anyway the article is online as well as in print, and there are lots of laughs in it I haven't spoiled yet so here you go:
http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0597/0597grizzlies.html
Just like those idiots the Wright brothers and that moron Eli Whitney, right? And George Washington Carver? I don't think HE even had a garage! But Henry Ford did, eventually. :cheese:
I gotta tell you, the article in question didn't seem so tongue in cheek to me. It sounds like the guy is completely sideways, but ya gotta hand it to him; that damn bear suit can take some PUNISHMENT!
And he was inside it the whole time.
The crack about
"I love how he talks about the entire nation of Japan as if he can aggregate all Japanese individuals into some kind of abstracted entity he can wheel-and-deal with directly. He's got this whole sales pitch and he's got himself all revved up to deliver it to "Japan."
Is just plain low. The Arabs sell oil. The Italians are great cooks. The Germans are efficient.
They're called "generalizations". Many of us use them. What planet are you from that you don't get that?
But let me point something out to you crack heads:
Where did he get all the money to build the "Angel Light"? Especially after he was, according to the article, bankrupted by building the bear suit?
My guess is from selling those other inventions of his. Maybe even to Japan!
"Where did he get all the money to build the "Angel Light"? Especially after he was, according to the article, bankrupted by building the bear suit?
My guess is from selling those other inventions of his. Maybe even to Japan!"
troy's family has made a compfortable living in the scrap metal (recycling) trade. by the way, troy himself worked for many years in the family scrap yard. by dismantling various applicances, cars etc. he no doubt aquired a working knowlege of how things are put together. those skills, when combined with a fertile imagination and a carnival barkers sense of self-promotion have got him the publicity he craves, but i doubt he has made a cent of profit on any invention.
Granted the Ursus can take a beating - but so can a metal box. Point being, in order to be useful the suit must provide not only protection but mobility. Per copious discussions on this thread it clearly fails to provide mobility and is thus a useless invention.
The futility of the suit is best demonstrated by Troy's own tests of the suit: when's the last time you had a need to stand immobile while your friends hit you with shovels, or swung logs at you from trees, or drove into you with their pickup? In equivalent real-life scenarios you'd want *mobility* so you could get out of the way, or rescue someone, or...*do* something besides stand around.
As for generalizations...granted they're a necessary abstraction that we all are obliged to utilize from time to time. However, abstraction is one thing...having internal *conversations* with you abstractions is another, and I find it amusing. It's like talking with an imaginary friend and relaying the conversation to a news reporter.
Perhaps I'm being "low," but if so it's because I think Troy's delusions are funny and I like poking fun at him and the "reporters" who present his ramblings as "news", not because I'm criticizing Troy for generalizing.
As for your "guess" that he's been paid for his inventions...you seem to be implying that the purchase of one or more of Troy's inventions is proof that they work as advertised. Not true. Given the extraordinary nature of Troy's claims, formal scientific proof is required, or *at least* demonstations of success in real-world situations. Troy has provided no such proof.
Furthermore, you seem to be asserting that we're all a bunch of sloppy thinkers ("crack heads") on this thread, and that your observations are so keen relative to ours that you can trump our entire conversation with a single post.
If you'd bother to read the thread before making such assumptions, you'd have known that there's not a single credible record of *anyone* purchasing an invention of Troy's for *any* real-world application. You'd also know that we've completely dismantled the notion that Troy's "garage inventor" status is relevant to proving the validity or in-validity of his claims.
And if you didn't catch the "tongue in cheek" flavor of the Outside Magazine article I'd suggest reading it again, or perhaps having someone with high-school reading/comprehension skills read it to you.
But thanks for your post, it was good for a few giggles.
That's called a double entendre. I learned about those in high school english. That and generalizations.
Hmm, maybe you should try a high school english class yourself.
As regards the abstractions,
The one we are referencing is his use of the term "Japan" from the article:
"Japan," he says, "has the foresight to say, 'Give this man a half a million dollars, let him build the Mark VII. All we want from it is the blueprints."
I don't see an internal conversation there. Point it out to me, why don't you?
Maybe that's one of those seemingly asserted things you were going on about, huh? (Like the way I seem to have asserted that someone buying an invention is proof that the invention works?)
In answer to that, go back and look at the literal, (as opposed to seemingly asserted) meaning of my statement. It has nothing to do with the feasability of the invention, but merely states that this guy appears to have a positive cash flow NOW, whereas he was $37,000 in debt before. (In fact the bear suit was being auctioned off by bankruptcy trustees.)
I merely took the information given in the article and hypothesized that, somehow, he had gotten far enough out of debt to go and dump another sizeable chunk of cash into his new "Angel Light" project.
I don't have someone "with high-school reading/comprehension skills" right at hand, but if I did, he or she would probably notice the flaw in your whole "mobility" argument, as referenced to the article. Go back and read it, I'll wait.....
You see? He wasn't talking about "Japan" buying the Mark VI. He was refering to investment capital for the Mark VII.
"This suit will have 90 percent flexibility. I can sit down and have a cup of coffee with it on."
We know he built the Mark VI to be able to withstand a beating, and now (according to the article) he has the mobility issue resolved (at least on paper).
That's from the article. And then zip forward to NOW. And he's gone and put a big chunk of money into the "Angel Light". Where did he get it?
I can't believe the "scrap business" is that lucrative, to allow him the finances AND the time to put into his inventions. Again, he was in debt to the tune of $37000 before, where was that "comfortable living" then? (Hi Geebs!)
Really, seriously, WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY???
You're welcome.
P.S. Grown ups who giggle are often insane. You should have that checked out.
From wikipedia.org:
"A double entendre is a figure of speech similar to the pun, in which a spoken phrase can be understood in either of two ways. The first, literal meaning is an innocent one, while the second meaning is often risqu
I got burned!
No really, why don't you even pay attention to your own posts? The Wikipedia reference states "the second meaning is often risqu
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How long has this "hoax" been going on? Since '99?
That, of course, is nonsense. The reaction of other people has no bearing on whether or not Troy's "invention" is real or not. Either it works or it doesn't. No one has suggested that people's reaction to it is proof that it doesn't work. I'll repeat: either it works or it doesn't. So far, Troy has provided NO proof that it does, so there is simply no evidence that it is legitimate. Period.
Did you see the Discovery Channel/Angel Light show on TV or on the Web? Can you post a Web link?
i could not take him seriously when he came in to the store where i used to work. and he's a bit of a dick too.
I/ve know about this guy for years. This Angel light thing sounds crazy, but so has everything else he's done, and he has done them. Haven't you seen when he chucks himself down the cliff? It is f-ing crazy, How about when he paints a hockey helmet with his paste and does an interview while some blasts his head with a 2000 degree celsius blowtorch. That's been on discovery channel and they shot the footage - it wasn't supplie by Hurtubise. They also did a show on his armoured bag that talkes the equivilant of a RPG strike in dynamite strapped to the outside, and leaves a car door intact behind it. I hear there is third party footage, but havent seen it where he demos his paint that stops the most powerful bullets around 30-06, or 303s or something. As to it not being bought, the government is sitting on armour it has in warehouses in the states (AP, Reuters) instead of sending it to Iraq, so it isn't surprising that they don't wan't this stuff. In fact it seems they only by from themselves - haliburton, Tamiflu. You guys sound like a bunch of bitter sissies who have never created anything, and try to make yourselves feel better by trashing weirdos, like Hurtubise. It's dinks like you who would have us back in the stone-age just to save your fragile illusions about your importance and place in the world. Contribute or Shut the F-Up
He hasn't because it doesn't. End of story. Case closed.
Second, don't overstate his "armor". It is durable, but it isn't indestructible. It is not "impossible to destroy with bombs".
Third, the reason you can shoot down a helicopter with, as you said, an "air gun" is because helicopters have fragile points that cannot be armored. Most notably, the rotors.
"It's dinks like you who would have us back in the stone-age just to save your fragile illusions about your importance and place in the world. Contribute or Shut the F-Up"
Personal attacks are irrelevant. Either the thing works or it doesn't. Period. The burden of proof is on Troy and so far, he hasn't met it. Weren't we supposed to have seen some sort of definitive evidence of this thing's ability to see through solid objects by now?
The fact is that we skeptics do not believe Troy's claims for this device because:
1: The claims appear to defy the known laws of physics.
2: He hasn't demonstrated that the thing works.
If and when he can prove that he has invented a machine which can see through solids (not using X-rays, obviously) then the world will have to acknowledge that he is a genius. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen, though.
If you'd care to discuss this further without the insults, have at it. If the crux of your "arguments" is that skeptics are doodyheads, well, why should we take your seriously?
Let's break it down for full enjoyment:
Contents:
1. Irrelevant, anecdotal "evidence"
2. Inconclusive "evidence"
3. Speculation
4. Hearsay
5. Personal Insults
6. Profanities
Added Bonus: an implication that folks like himself, presumably by employing the above tactics, are responsible for bringing the human race out of the Stone Age. Well thank you Mr. Believer for being the ballast of common sense that keeps this crazy ship of humanity from sinking!
It seems that in Mr. Believer's view, repeatable and measurable observations, testable hypothesis, experimental proof and outside verification of results had nothing to do with the human race's advancement past the Stone Age.
He then wraps it all up by proposing, and simultaneously breaking, the following (brilliantly inane) rule: "Contribute or shut the F-Up".
I guess the name says it all: "Believer."
Believer: I know it's too much to ask, since you've already been kind enough to provide all this free entertainment, but if you could respond with another reckless, uninformed rant we'd all love a few more chuckles.
Forgive me for indulging in my own bit of pure speculation but *you* sound like someone who's rhetorical toolbox is limited to insults, intimidation and emotional appeals.
Sniffff Snifff, I smell alot of BS.
My personal favorite highlights:
1. Troy's failed attempt to walk through a muddy parking lot wearing the suit. Didn't make it three steps, even with two people trying to support him!
2. The opening shot, with the suit suspended underneath a helicopter. Looked like the opening scene of a MST3K-worthy B-grade sci fi flick!
3. Watching Troy hopping around in that thing. He'd have more mobility if he had hobbled feet, was wearing stiletto heels and had his ankles tied with a 5" length of chain.
4. Watching him fall down...and fall down...and fall down...and stay down...and stay down...and stay down...
5. One thing I'll say for Troy...he has a sweet collection of jackets in his wardrobe! He's pretty and stylin' in a sort of glam-rock, small-town robocop wannabe kind of way.
6. Speaking of robocop, I wonder how much trouble they went through to get that shot of him, in the suit, with the Robocop scene playing on the drive-in scene?
7. Troy waxing sociopolitical on the subject of Ph.D's. Apparently all educated people, and all systems of higher education, are inflexible beurocratic behemoths that can't get anything done. So screw 'em all and let's go hack around with some Diet Coke! Only it's funny how he's always quoting authority to back his claims...*scientific* authority from guess who...a bunch of unnamed "Ph.d's!"
8. Troy has some incredibly powerful insights about "angels." Apparently they're not human-sized, like all the rest of those other lunatics who believe in angels think. In actuality they're *15 feet tall*!
9. Troy shaving with a Bowie knife! I noticed he was avoiding the hard parts (chin, under the nose etc.) Apparently there was no room for a razor blade in the packs of the 4 horses they had. Maybe next time he can squeeze one onboard the helicopter.
And...I wonder what the wives of his posse think about their husbands burning their vacation on a travesty that's designed for maximum drama and hoopla with absolutely zero chance of success?
Too much to itemize...absolutely a scream...if you haven't seen it my advice is, go rent it right now!
--intjudo
All hail prophet Troy !!
;-o
"But what about the GOD LIGHT people, the GOD LIGHT !!!!!"
Hey, could we use the God Light to look through the exterior of the bear suit to watch Troy squirming and sweating inside it? Now THAT would be entertainment!
As for the angel/god light... seems to be a pretty big technological leap for it to do what he says it does. Something that incredible deserves its fair share of criticism. But i've sat through lectures at university regarding magnetism, light, energy, etc... and we really dont know what's going on, all the "laws" and the "theories" are nothing more than commonalities found from experimental evidence. Sure it can be used to explain things... but what happens when new effects and anomalies appear? Thats when its time to change what we think to be true.
And im a 4th year electrical engineering student... i've been to lectures on all sorts of quantum physics, energy transfer, thermodynamics, blah blah blah.... you name it... most of it is boring as hell. Primarily because the "experts" ramble on about the laws of this, or the theory of that, without actually knowing what is happening... truthfully... there is no way to REALLY "know"... all we have is experimental evidence. But to talk of it as if it were set in stone is stupid. A good engineer tries to make what is possible... work, a great engineer tries to make what is impossible possible.
And as for my spelling and english skills, a really great english prof once told me, forget everything you know about grammar, it's meaningless, the english language is dynamic, it's always changing... just try to get your thoughts and ideas across.
hmm... somethings seems to be missing in this post.... what is it.... something doesnt quite fit with the majority of other posts... ah, yes... the childishness
😛
there we go... all is right with the world.
It is true that such things appear infrequently but that in no way means that every thing that someone produces which appears to violate the known laws of physics is legitimate.
The notion of "keeping an open mind" is kind of a red herring. If Troy can just demonstrate that his invention works under proper scientific testing, it will be accepted. No one is obligated to accept what he says unless and until it is show to work (which has yet to happen).
Nice rant! Not quite as inane as others on this thread but that's not for lack of trying. The quality is pretty good, you just need some more quantity to bring it up a notch. Let's summarize:
1. An unsubstantiated claim to authority in the fields of "all sorts of quantum physics, energy transfer, thermodynamics, blah blah blah.... you name it..."
2. An profound display of your lack of understanding of the Scientific Method
3. A global dismissal of the concept that precision in language and grammar is important
4. A dismissive and insulting directive to "just shut it."
...followed (ironically) by a claim that your post is *not* childish.
Nice! This thread sure is entertaining. Attracts uninformed ranters like moths to a flame.
If you took the time to learn what the Scientific Method is all about, it may not bore you as much. You're a student of a fascinating field and it it's a shame that you're not enjoying it more.
For your information, anyone who wants to argue about grammar on this post is perfectly free to do so. That being said, I don't recall any arguments about grammar on this thread. Which argument about grammar are you referring to?
It's fun to read your posts. Starting from last year, where all you did was bash everyone, and try and prove your point with irrelevant information. Thankfully, you
Having spotted the Movie about this guy in the video store, I was captivated by him..and his strange obsession to create a bear suit..
Throughout the course of the film, the man just grew on me, and I was determined after watching the movie to find out more...That was last night at about 11PM
Long story short: I found this thread, and am typing at 7:30AM THE NEXT DAY!
This thread is great!
I have more to say, but I think I need to sleep for a bit first...
Thanks to this thread I found the referenced "Coast to Coast" interview (I just happen to subscribe to their streaming archive service). Based on that, Troy is either telling the truth or he is a bald-faced liar. He left no room for a simple mis-interpretation of his results. He even mentioned he and his brother having looked into the soil beneath their feet (without explaining how he got the huge device pointed-down).
I actually read quantum physics and string theory books as a hobby (I'm a degreed computer scientist, I understand academic discipline and critical thinking) I do know that many reputable physicist honestly question the very foundations of our perception of "reality" (think multi-verse, dark-matter etc.). We also know that neutrinos are whizzing right though the Earth, like it was crystal clear, all the time. We have no right to call anything "impossible" without examining it. Yes Troy is wrong to handle it like he apparently does -- but that shouldn't stop us from at least looking into it.
So I'm unable to dismiss this "Angel Light" out-of-hand. Anybody heard anymore about it in the last year? Why wouldn't Troy have been paid to "hush-up" by now if it is real?
"We have no right to call anything "impossible" without examining it. Yes Troy is wrong to handle it like he apparently does -- but that shouldn't stop us from at least looking into it."
We aren't dismissing it out of hand. We're asking for the evidence that it works, which is the only fair thing to do when someone makes claims that defy the known laws of physics.
The problem is that there is only one of these whiz-bang machines and Troy has it. Therefore, HE has to produce the evidence. Since he has yet to do so, we have every reason to call "bullshit" on this thing. If and when Troy proves his claims, we'll all have to concede that he is a genius and mankind will have advanced considerably, thanks to him. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen, though.
http://www.intalek.com/AV/Troy-Hurtubise.wma
http://www.premiereinteractive.com/cgi-bin/members.cgi?stream=clips/05/01/011905_hurtubise.wma&type=windows_od&site=coast
Sorry it's taken so long to rant to your rant of my rants 😊 I'm glad you enjoy them, that's what it's all about!
Guess I'll have to review all my posts since 'way back last year to fully appreciate the maturation I've accomplished. And to look for the "irrelevant information" you claim I've posted.
It's too bad so many of my posts consist of bashing people. I admit it's juvenille but I feel compelled to explain, for my own amusement and to attempt to procure the indulgence of those suffering through my posts.
Here it is in a nutshell: the Angel Light is so obviously a load of laugh-out-loud *BULLSHIT*. And Troy's antics are just plain *HILARIOUS*. As is the fact that so many "reporters" are hoodwinked into taking him seriously. In summary, the whole thing is just plain blasted *FUNNY*, I like to laugh, we all like to laugh, and this is just a great opportunity to all get together and bust out laughing! That's all I really want out of this thread.
Only problem is, we who are happily having our hees and haws are occasionally interrupted by...well...ah, ahem, let's just say, people who are...somewhat credulous. Worse yet, these same folks sure seem to have a tendency to include personal insults in their opening salvos.
In reviewing the posts where I'm bashing someone, I think you'll note that I don't bash people just because they're credulous. I bash people who come barging in on this thread insulting people, because I don't take kindly to it and because I feel their insults are a cry for help. As in "Help me, I need help learning how and how not to engage people in useful dialogue."
If you or anyone feels Troy's antics are relevant to science, I suggest discussing it in a forum devoted to serious science (and, for my entertainment, *please* post a link to the thread!).
Meanwhile, if you feel Troy's work is (or may be) scientifically relevant and you insist on posting here, please review Cranky Media Guy's posts before doing so, and kindly address his few, basic and reasonable concerns.
And if you think the whole thing is a laugh riot, please post your personal perspectives to propogate profound Troy Wackiness Revelation Nirvana.
And if you want to post insults, fire away because I've got a Rant Analyzer and I'm not afraid to use it!
Ironically -- it is my journey to the "edge of physics" (string theory) via the likes of Michio Kaku and Brian Green (et al) that makes me even more susceptable to some bizare claims. It turns-out that science doesn't really even understand things like how particles get mass -- and whether we're constantly transmuting into parallel universes based on our choices collapsing wave functions (or even what Dark Matter is)
So, when some kook claims to have stumbled onto something that defies the laws of physics -- it's not such a stretch for those who "know how much we don't know". See?
Now the fact that this kook lives near the N. Pole -- where the solar wind causes ionizing radiation to form the "Northern Lights" -- does make one wonder if physics could be a 'lil skewed up there. Logic sure is 😊
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2461483863639462160&q=kaku