Angel Light Sees Through Walls

your making that up... and stop using my name! XDXDXD OMFG =P xDDDD

God Light is teh awesome!!! omg cure my rash!!! XD O_o...

:P

to all you naysayers, look at the greatest inventors over history. all persecuted by modern science.

great inventors all have one thing in common, imaginations; and refusing to be constrained by conventional knowledge. the largest advances come from an unconcious understanding of complex ideas.

btw, nice video on his fire paste

http://patty.exn.ca/video/?video=exn20030903-firepaste.asx

Marcus Pratt said:

"to all you naysayers, look at the greatest inventors over history. all persecuted by modern science.

"great inventors all have one thing in common, imaginations; and refusing to be constrained by conventional knowledge. the largest advances come from an unconcious understanding of complex ideas."

Your logic is flawed, Marcus. While it may be true that all great inventors have been ignored or even ridiculed by others initially, it is not also true that everyone who is ignored or ridiculed is necessarily a great inventor.

I worked outside the White House for three years in the 90's. I knew several people who hung around 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. who had, shall we say, "interesting" theories on various things. They were ignored and/or ridiculed by a LOT of people. While many of them were very nice people, I think they could have been diagnosed as schizophrenic; their ideas were not consistent with reality. Get my point?

The fact that Troy Hurtubise is ridiculed in no way "proves" that he has invented a revolutionary device.

"Look at the debacle over the Bush National Guard documents with CBS." ?? You mean where the true fact that Bush sneaked out on his military duty got somehow buried in the snarling at the NY Times guy and the wrong one had to quit?? Yeah, look at it.

"try and remember that this is not, in fact, a website for the greatest theoretical physicists of our time to hash out new ideas."

Finally a piece of truth. 8<]

Is there any way to contact Troy Hurtubise? If firepaste does even 1/4 of what that Discovery Channel video demonstrated, is reasonably cheap and stable, I've definitely got a requirement for it and would like to license.

LOL! The vast majority of u guys are morons. I'm not saying this as an insult, but more as to say that if u dont understand something, then sthu.

And as for the bear suit, did you ever stop to think that most of his inventions are still in early devellopement due to lack of funds? The first "computers" would take up an entire room (a big one at that) and it took a long time before they became the desktops you use to write your stupiditys. So if i were you, I'd shut my pie hole before any one else makes a total ass out of you (well, makes it apparent anyway, your pretty good at making an ass out of yourself).

And for the record Jay, not all Canadians have such a thick accent, that is just stereotypical bull sh!t. Do i really have to remind you all of your less "develloped" states?... "dem der canadians talkin funny"

SCL said:

"LOL! The vast majority of u guys are morons. "

I'm guessing you're not in the diplomatic corps, huh? Seriously, starting off a posting in that way is just about guaranteed to get you not taken seriously.

"I'm not saying this as an insult, but more as to say that if u dont understand something, then sthu."

And just what exactly is it we "don't understand?" What YOU seem to fail to understand is the difference between "not understanding" something and being skeptical about the claims of its inventor.

"And as for the bear suit, did you ever stop to think that most of his inventions are still in early devellopement due to lack of funds?"

Well, that's a nice theory, but do you have any FACTS to back up the idea that Troy's things actually work as advertised? I have a time machine in my closet. All I need is $100 million to put the spit shine on it.

"The first "computers" would take up an entire room (a big one at that) and it took a long time before they became the desktops you use to write your stupiditys."

And this is relevant to the discussion of Troy's "inventions" how, exactly? This is really just a variation on the old "Many great inventors were laughed at in the beginning; Troy is laughed at, therefore he must be a great inventor" false logic.

If Troy's "inventions" work, all he has to do is DEMONSTRATE them. At that point, all criticism will cease. If he can't do that, he will continue to be laughed at. It's really just that simple.

"So if i were you, I'd shut my pie hole before any one else makes a total ass out of you (well, makes it apparent anyway, your pretty good at making an ass out of yourself)."

So when are you planning on starting to make asses of us, using LOGIC and FACTS?

Well, what i meant to say (altho not in a very dipplomatic way as i should've) is that its not the invention as it is presently that should b judged but the potential of the invention itself. The first planes (for example) werent as good as the ones today, but opended a doorway. Frankly, i doubt any of us could make something as elaborate in there own garage (im not saying you'd want to, its his passion not ours) but i dont think its fair to diss some 1 for their passion... Just cause im not as good as say Van Halen, Steve Vai or Jason becker on the guitar, doesnt mean that i should be insulted for trying to open new frontiers in music. That jsut doesnt make sens to me... If this is the attide that we were all to adopt, man kind would not advance.

SCL said:

"Well, what i meant to say (altho not in a very dipplomatic way as i should've) is that its not the invention as it is presently that should b judged but the potential of the invention itself."

Same goes for that time machine in my closet. Sure, it looks like it's made out of old paint cans and loose wires connected to random circuit boards NOW but it has great potential.

"The first planes (for example) werent as good as the ones today, but opended a doorway."

No, of course the early airplanes weren't as sophisticated as the ones of today, but they DID fly. When Troy can make his Angel Light thing "fly" so to speak, then the laughter will cease.

"Frankly, i doubt any of us could make something as elaborate in there own garage (im not saying you'd want to, its his passion not ours) but i dont think its fair to diss some 1 for their passion..."

Who has criticized him for his passion? The criticism is because he makes extravagant claims for devices which he then cannot back up with a simple demonstration. As I've said before, all he has to do to stop the laughter and criticism is show that his Angel Light thing WORKS. Until then, it has exactly as much credibility as the time machine in my closet: none.

"Just cause im not as good as say Van Halen, Steve Vai or Jason becker on the guitar, doesnt mean that i should be insulted for trying to open new frontiers in music. That jsut doesnt make sens to me... If this is the attide that we were all to adopt, man kind would not advance."

I don't see the relevance. He's not claiming to have a device which sees through walls better than anyone else's device can see through walls (that, of course, would be because such a device doesn't exist). He's claiming to be able to do that which seems to be impossible. All he has to do is back up his claims with FACTS. Why is this hard to understand?

I think it's because a lot of people identify with the romantic concept of the little guy against the system. Hey, I've said before that I'd be his biggest fan if he can just PROVE THAT THE THING WORKS! If he can't, he's not "the little guy fighting the system," he's just a blowhard.

Well, in that case all is fine. Altho, most of his inventions have been proved. The only real reason he wont do demonstrations is fear... Think about it for a sec. If you created something that was against the law of physics and it worked, but it had REALLY bad side effects that you dont understand (well in this case he doesnt really understand any of it other then how he put it together and "sorta" what it does)... It's the kind of fear that would be invoqued if some 1 were to test a new type of bomb on lets say okinawa (get where im going with this?)... The way i understood (misunderstood) what you said was that because it doesnt seem possible he must b a "blowhard". But then again, the guy who suggested putting electric strings on a guitar and placing lil magnets under em (pick-ups for the non-guitar savvy out there) was ridiculed and because of this guy the domaine of music has expanded beyond anything previously fathomable (especially with all those damn nice effect pedals 😛).

The one thing that makes me strongly question the authenticity of such a potentially physics shattering device is the lack of publicity.

Lets assume the device is real and actually works the way the inventor claims. In that case, I'd throw it on a flat bed truck and drive down to IBM, Raytheon, Northrup Grumman, Lockheed Martin, and every other large defense contracting company, and every company involved in creating medical diagnostic equipment and SHOW THEM the technology in action. I'd then introduce them to my lawyer and let them hammer out the details on where the bidding war would take place.

Following that? I'd work on my Nobel Prize acceptance speach.

What I wouldn't do is take my invention to the Discovery Channel... WTF. If it works, pimp that thing out and make some cash, get some recognition, and help kickstart a new field of physics.

Personnally, i would think twice before id mass produce and all that... They dont even know exactly what it does or how it works... it takes 10 years for a tiny little pill to be tested (and even then 10 isnt much)... so if it's something like that... id get some experts to do as much testing as they possibly can before id even turn it on again (what if it was a potential bomb without knowing it?)

also, (just to point something out) this site's info isnt correct... This thread starts with "Troy Hurtubise claims that he's invented a machine, dubbed the Angel Light, that can see through walls. It doesn't really matter what the wall is made of: wood, ceramic, steel, tin, titanium, even lead. The Angel Light can see right through it, just as if a window had opened up in the wall. Of course, he built this thing in his garage (where else?). The idea for the invention came to him in a dream, and he built it without the aid of any blueprints, drawings or schematics. Although Troy may hope to one day be known throughout the world as the inventor of the Angel Light, he's already well known as the inventor of the URSUS MARK VII, a suit that can help a man withstand the attack of a Grizzly Bear (see that suit in the right corner of the thumbnail? That's the Grizzly suit). So from Grizzly Bear suits to Machines That Can See Through Walls. No one can accuse him of not having an interesting resume." But he hasnt even completed the mark VII yet.

I thought it was particularily funny that he said he was using a remote controlled car, radar gun and this giant xray machine all at the same time. I've never operated a radar gun or giant xray machine before, but I have used a remote controlled car, and that takes a certain degree of concentration. But something tells me a huge pervert gun such as this probably requires two handed operation? Perhaps he invented winged-monkey minions to operate the machine for him while he was out saving the world from intelligence and reason...who can say for sure...would be cool, if it worked..but it doesnt.

Next he will capture the cure for clean air and say it was released from his anus....during a dream....in a flaming see through bearsuit.

You guys are idiots. You think just cause this guy doesn't have a pHD he can't invent things? How do you think invention happens? It's guys in their garages, tinkering with stuff until they discover something amazing. You think Edison went to school for 10 years to invent the light bulb? No! He sat in his shop and tried filament after filament until one worked. 30% Intellegence and 70% Luck describes pretty much every new invention.

Nobody is claiming that a person in a garage cannot invent something.

The bottom line is that extraordinary claims must be met with extraordinary proof. This guy has made extraordinary claims, but has NOT provided the proof required to support his claims.

I'll repeat my earlier statement. If this thing were real, you WOULD know about it. Such an invention has applications in just about every industry and he would be marketing it to each of them to try and capitalize on his invention.

It wouldn't be hard to get an audience with major companies in each industry either. If his initial marketing attempts failed, all he would have to do is make a few phone calls to major media outlets (CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc.) and get them to perform interviews where you can see the machine working.

dood... if YOU dont believe that his invention works, do you really think that CNN will?

And do you REALLY think that you would market something beyond your understanding? (many such things occured with medicin and caused a whoal hell of alot of trouble...)

As i said before (and nobody seems to read before posting), isnt it logical to thoroughly test something before it is used by Mr John Q. Public?...

Troy has made other inventions before, and has proved them. If you look around, there are videos of him testing his inventions... ON THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL!!!

So before you make a flaming idiot of yourself, google his inventions a bit, he's got more credibility than u.

Fusion Knight said:

"You guys are idiots."

Way to make friends, F.K.

"You think just cause this guy doesn't have a pHD he can't invent things?"

No one has said any such thing. Your "argument" is the type of thing that frauds like to use to bolster their claims (no, I'm NOT saying that YOU are a fraud. I AM saying that frauds use that "logic" to divert criticism).

"How do you think invention happens? It's guys in their garages, tinkering with stuff until they discover something amazing."

Actually, nowadays, most inventions are NOT created by the stereotypical guy working alone in his garage. I like that romantic notion as much as anyone, but the modern reality is that most things are invented by well-funded people working for large companies. I wish it wasn't like that, but it is.

"You think Edison went to school for 10 years to invent the light bulb? No! He sat in his shop and tried filament after filament until one worked."

Edison had a very large laboratory full of people who worked full-time on projects at his direction. I'm not entirely sure that the story about Edison working solo, trying thousands of different filiments, is true, but the electric light bulb does not violate the known laws of physics, unlike Troy's "Angel Light." You people who support Troy's claims keep ignoring that salient fact.

You also keep ignoring the question of why, if he has in fact invented something that would turn the scientific world on its ear, he doesn't simply DEMONSTRATE it? The day I invent a car that can drive coast-to-coast on a teacup full of water, you can bet your life I will tell everyone who will listen about it. What possible incentive would I have NOT to?

"30% Intellegence and 70% Luck describes pretty much every new invention."

As I said above, most inventions on the market today were created by large companies. If your percentages were ever accurate, I'd say they aren't any more.

S_C_L-1 said:

"dood... if YOU dont believe that his invention works, do you really think that CNN will?"

I know that wasn't addressed to me, but I cannot figure out what you're trying to say.

"And do you REALLY think that you would market something beyond your understanding? (many such things occured with medicin and caused a whoal hell of alot of trouble...)"

Again, what are you trying to say? Are you saying that Troy doesn't understand his own invention? Medicine is not perfect, but before a medicine is allowed to go to market, it is tested on many animals and humans. Where's Troy's testing?

"As i said before (and nobody seems to read before posting), isnt it logical to thoroughly test something before it is used by Mr John Q. Public?..."

Yes, that makes sense. So, why did Troy talk to the media about Angel Light before, as you are apparently claiming, having tested it? Nobody twisted his arm to show it to the TV people, right? The reality seems to contradict your point here.

"Troy has made other inventions before, and has proved them. If you look around, there are videos of him testing his inventions... ON THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL!!!"

I'll keep making this point until you apologists understand it. His other inventions do NOT violate the known laws of physics, unlike Angel Light. If I told you I could fly under my own power, without the use of any mechanical devices, would you simply accept my word or would you ask me to demonstrate my alleged ability? Troy's claim is no less outrageous than that, so why don't you insist that he SHOW YOU??

"So before you make a flaming idiot of yourself, google his inventions a bit, he's got more credibility than u."

And if we were to Google Troy Hurtubise, would we see AN ACTUAL DEMONSTRATION of Angel Light or would we simply see the same stuff we've already seen? I think we all know the answer to that question.

The bottom line here is very simple: If he can't or won't demonstrate that his "invention" does what he says it can, why should anyone believe him? Because he invented a bear suit? Sorry, that just doesn't cut it.

Crankymediaguy said:

I know that wasn't addressed to me, but I cannot figure out what you're trying to say.

Did you even bother to read other posts on this page?

Again, what are you trying to say? Are you saying that Troy doesn't understand his own invention? Medicine is not perfect, but before a medicine is allowed to go to market, it is tested on many animals and humans. Where's Troy's testing?

No, he doesnt understand his own invention. If it defys the laws of physics, who does understand it? lol

Yes, that makes sense. So, why did Troy talk to the media about Angel Light before, as you are apparently claiming, having tested it? Nobody twisted his arm to show it to the TV people, right? The reality seems to contradict your point here.

Angel light is the only 1 of his inventions without video recordings of it beeing tested. All (or all the good inventions anyway) have video footage of them beeing tested/prooved(there was a link to the discovery channel's site on 1 of the earlyer pages i think)

I'll keep making this point until you apologists understand it. His other inventions do NOT violate the known laws of physics, unlike Angel Light. If I told you I could fly under my own power, without the use of any mechanical devices, would you simply accept my word or would you ask me to demonstrate my alleged ability? Troy's claim is no less outrageous than that, so why don't you insist that he SHOW YOU??

i suggest taking a lil trip to india my friend...(ive seen it with my own eyes... find something a lil more perplexing next time 😛) With the magnetic field of the earth, and the energy stored in your electrolytes, it is theoretically possible to levitate or at the least, lower your weight significantly (depending on the atmospheric pressure/the strength of the earths magnetic field at that specific location/the charge in your electrolytes etc)

And if we were to Google Troy Hurtubise, would we see AN ACTUAL DEMONSTRATION of Angel Light or would we simply see the same stuff we've already seen? I think we all know the answer to that question.

No, you wont c a demonstration of Angel light. But if you actually stopped beeing so lazy and pressed the damn search button, you would find out that he dismantled it after the initial tests, and then sent the blueprints to engineers in europe for them to work on it. Also, you would c videos/info on his other inventions. NOBEL PRIZE winning inventions i might add!

So whom do you think i trust more? a NOBEL PRIZE winner with video footage of his tests or a lil media fanatic who has his head so far up his @$$ that he closes off his mind from anything that would bend the "laws" of physics?

"oooooo noooo! he burst my bubble!"

and btw, re-read my previous post if you only read the 1's in bold 😛

(its not THAT hard to read now is it?)

S_C_L-1 said:

"No, he doesnt understand his own invention. If it defys the laws of physics, who does understand it? lol"

I don't really know where to begin with you. So, your stand is that Troy has invented a machine that HE doesn't understand? Um, how does he know what it does, in that case? And how do YOU know what it does?

"Angel light is the only 1 of his inventions without video recordings of it beeing tested."

How fascinating that the only "invention" of his which violates the known laws of physics just happens to be also the only one for which there is no video. Wow, what a coinkidink! You know, a cynical person might think that that is because the friggin' thing DOESN'T work and therefore can't be shown in operation on tape.

"i suggest taking a lil trip to india my friend...(ive seen it with my own eyes... find something a lil more perplexing next time rasberry)"

Again, you are inscrutable. What, exactly, is it you claim to have seen in India?

"With the magnetic field of the earth, and the energy stored in your electrolytes, it is theoretically possible to levitate or at the least, lower your weight significantly (depending on the atmospheric pressure/the strength of the earths magnetic field at that specific location/the charge in your electrolytes etc)"

Either you can prove that these things happen or you can't. Period. Do you have any idea how infinitesimally small the magnetic effect of the Earth is on your body? Do you SEE people levitating around you? Again, if you believe you can levitate, PROVE IT.

Give me a logical reason that a person who invented an amazing machine that violates all the known laws of physics wouldn't videotape it in operation. You make reference to "initial tests." Why didn't he take the simple step of taping it while he was testing it? You expect us to take his word for this (as you obviously do). Why should we?

"Also, you would c videos/info on his other inventions. NOBEL PRIZE winning inventions i might add!"

OK, you have now left the Realm of Believability. Are you honestly claiming that Troy Hurtubise has won a Nobel Prize??? That claim, of course, is easily checked. WHICH Nobel Prize did he win (there is more than one, you know) and what year did he win it?

"So whom do you think i trust more? a NOBEL PRIZE winner with video footage of his tests or a lil media fanatic who has his head so far up his @$$ that he closes off his mind from anything that would bend the "laws" of physics?"

Your claim that Troy Hurtubise has won a Nobel Prize was SO bizarre that I had to check to see what you could possibly be thinking of.

Guess what: I found it! In 1998, Troy was awarded an IGnobel Prize.

Here you go, see for yourself (look under the 1998 listings):

http://improb.com/ig/ig-pastwinners.html

I was right. You are not to be taken seriously.

If you take apart what i say into tiny pieces without making any link, ofc i wont make sens. -_-


Personally, it makes no difference in my life (at all) if you disbelieve or believe. But if you hold no respect for him at all, then im eagerly awaiting to c your face on the discovery channel! (altho i doubt that you understood what i meant by that lol)

It's kinda pathetic tho, that humans (in general) believe that science is infallable... that way of thinking had many a great man killed...

"the earth is round!" *dies*

those "laws" of physics are made by men, not by some invisible force or something. laws of physics are the human way of saying "in general, we found it to work like this..."

just cuz you find a diamond on the street doesnt mean theres a mine under the concrete, doesnt mean there isnt tho...(oooo analogys! complicated 😛 lol)

(try to make links between the things i said before trying to flamme me this time)

Sorry, S_C_L-1, but you lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned when you made your absurd assertion that Troy Hurtubise has won a Nobel Prize. I knew that HAD to be wrong because if it was correct, we certainly would have heard about it before by someone in this thread.

That also would have been news all over the place. Then, when I checked to see what you could possibly be referring to, I discovered that you apparently confused a NOBEL Prize with an Ignobel Prize, which is about as similar to a Nobel as a Golden Raspberry (a "Razzie") is to an Oscar.

In my opinion, you SO want to believe that Troy has made an Earth-shaking discovery that you block out any evidence to the contrary. I'll say it one more time: If Troy's device does what he claims it can do, all he has to do to silence his critics is PROVE IT. If and when he does that, he will actually win that Nobel Prize you thought he already had.

All the wishful thinking in the world does not equal a single shred of actual PROOF.

S_L_C-1 said:

"those "laws" of physics are made by men, not by some invisible force or something. laws of physics are the human way of saying "in general, we found it to work like this..."

The laws of physics are discovered through TESTING. We may have theories about how things work but those theories are proven or disproven by TESTING. Those that prove to be accurate are then called "Laws of Physics." Those that don't fall by the wayside.

If Troy Hurtubise has invented something that violates the known laws of physics, he is being negligent by not allowing proper testing of that device. If it does what he claims, he is able to move mankind's knowledge of the world around it by leaps and bounds. Either he is selfishly withholding vital knowledge from his fellow man OR he knows the machine doesn't do the things he has claimed. Take a guess as to which I think is the case.

You can rationalize all you want but you can't get around the fact that no one is obligated to buy his story until he PROVES it to be true.

By the way, when will you apologize to me for the claim that I was being lazy when you have shown that you didn't bother to find out that Troy has never won a NOBEL Prize? A wee bit lax on your part, given that the research needed to disprove your claim took me less than thirty seconds via Google.

your not as informed as you think.
Angel light is, as we speak, being researched in europe.

Cites?
Sources?
Europe is a large place, you know...

o ffs. im not a freaking encyclopedia.

Cute. You say it is being researched in Europe and I'm certain that T-Rays are being researched in Europe.

You then say that you aren't a "freaking encyclopedia", but if you actually had any information you could very easily write it.

"Yeah, I read about it on Oxford's website"

F' this.

I WAS hoping to get a decent conversation on this subject, but all you guys do is put me in a bad mood.

I think what really happened, S_C_L-1, is that you ran into a bunch of people who wouldn't take your vague, unsupported assertions at face value. We ARE having a conversation; you just aren't getting the response you want.

I want you to believe what I'm about to say. If and when Troy Hurtubise proves that his "invention" works as he claims it does, no one will be happier than me. Our world will be a more interesting place and mankind will be better informed about it. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening. The evidence (or lack thereof) suggests that Troy is just telling stories about Angel Light.

You're wasting your time Cranky Media Guy. S_C_L-1 has no information and refuses to see the very logical point that you are making.

I think it's strange that this has been discussed so long and with such heat. As far as I know, BayToday's article is the only primary source about the Angel Light, and hardly a valid base for any strong opinion on the validity of the object. I have seen no other media or documentation about the Angel Light, so either it was a hoax (my personal opinion) or hasn't turned out to be what those involved thought it was. The article itself is hearsay, providing no sources, and as far as I can tell is written using only Hurtubise's own words.

Crazed_Baphomet,

It's been discussed so long and with so much heat for several reasons:

1. The "Angel Light" and associated follow-on articles in baytoday.ca are just plain friggin' hold-your-sides-laughing funny!

2. The fact that they were actually published is even funnier! (But also makes a sad commentary about the state of journalism today.)

3. The fact that people take them seriously is funnier yet! (But also makes a sad commentary about how credulous some people are, and how completely devoid of knowledge about the Scientific Method: what it is, why it's important, how it works and why it works.)

4. There are lots of people in the world who desperately need to learn more about journalistic responsibility, skepticism and the scientific method. Some of these good folks make their needs known by posting statements asserting that Troy's claims are to be taken at face value and/or that inconclusive or nonexistant "evidence" is sufficient to prove Troy's claims and/or their own home-grown "logic" should be used to prove Troy's claims. People like Cranky Media Guy kindly respond to their "calls for help" and take the time to help bring them up to speed.

It's all about having some good laughs and helping people in the process!

That said, this would definately be a shorter thread if so many people didn't insist on trying to revive dead horses: topics that have been beat to death in previous posts that are posted as if the writer has had some new flash of insight ("BUT IT WAS PROVEN ON THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL!!! etc.)

intjudo said:

"People like Cranky Media Guy kindly respond to their "calls for help" and take the time to help bring them up to speed."

Yup, that's me, Benefactor to Mankind. Actually, what the deal is is that, since I've been involved in the Wonderful World O' Hoaxes for a long time now, I just have an highly-evolved BS Detector.

I have no problem at all with hoaxes that are satirical, but stuff like LifeWave is more properly called "fraud" as it takes advantage of people who might well need legitimate medican help (a "lack of energy" may indicate a medical condition).

There's also a part of me that is just amazed when I see adults taken in by what appears to me to be obvious fraud. I wish I was Bill Gates so I could fund teaching awareness of this sort of thing in grade schools all over the country. By the way, I was kidding about the Benefactor of Mankind thing. I'm a big jerk; I just play Benefactor of Mankind on the Web.

Wow, it's been eight months and this is still alive?

WHOO HOO! Another great Hurtubise article!

I came across an old Outside Magazine (May 1997) and threw it on the kitchen table without even noticing the "One Man's Odd Obsession to get Whupped by a Grizzley Bear" headline on the front cover. My wife discovered the article and within minutes, MAN did we have a good laugh. :lol:

This is worth a read, as it has a few gems I haven't come across yet. Don't want to spoil them all, but here are a few choice tidbits:

1. Apparently the URSES Mark VII weighs 147 POUNDS!

2. Here's an awesome Hurtubise quote: "This suit, unlike any ever built," he says, jabbing at the air as he speaks, "has not only an exoskeleton, it has an endoskeleton, too." ❓ ...Anyone care to take a stab at this one? ❓

3. Three more things Troy promises to revolutionize: Hockey, fire control and riot control! Add 'em to the list!

4. And finally, the characteristic now-you've-got-him-started rant that goes off the deep end:

<snip>
And he fully expects a corporate backer, probably Japanese, to front him the $500,000 he needs for the Mark VII, the ultimate Ursus suit.

"Total top of the line," Hurtubise says. "I gotta go to NASA for the materials. This suit will have 90 percent flexibility. (-- HUH ❓ --) I can sit down and have a cup of coffee with it on."

"Japan," he says, "has the foresight to say, 'Give this man a half a million dollars, let him build the Mark VII. All we want from it is the blueprints.' And then they'll put $50 million into it and they'll have a suit that will revolutionize fire control. Or riot control: While they're jumping on top of you, you're eating your sandwich inside. The only way you're going to kill the Mark VII is a rogue elephant with fangs. They'll make a billion off it in ten years."

</snip>

Line by line, man, that is some funny S__T. :lol:

I love how he talks about the entire nation of Japan as if he can aggregate all Japanese individuals into some kind of abstracted entity he can wheel-and-deal with directly. He's got this whole sales pitch and he's got himself all revved up to deliver it to "Japan."

At least I don't have to blast Outside Magazine for flaky reporting. The author seems to have tongue firmly in cheek and a wry sense of skepticism.

Anyway the article is online as well as in print, and there are lots of laughs in it I haven't spoiled yet so here you go:

http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0597/0597grizzlies.html

"This 'garage inventor' most likely would not have the inherent smarts to deal with these issues, unless he had a fair amount of formal training, a large test equipment budget, and a lot of money to blow on state of the art hardware. It could be that he does have all of these."

Just like those idiots the Wright brothers and that moron Eli Whitney, right? And George Washington Carver? I don't think HE even had a garage! But Henry Ford did, eventually. :cheese:

Well,
I gotta tell you, the article in question didn't seem so tongue in cheek to me. It sounds like the guy is completely sideways, but ya gotta hand it to him; that damn bear suit can take some PUNISHMENT!
And he was inside it the whole time.

The crack about
"I love how he talks about the entire nation of Japan as if he can aggregate all Japanese individuals into some kind of abstracted entity he can wheel-and-deal with directly. He's got this whole sales pitch and he's got himself all revved up to deliver it to "Japan."

Is just plain low. The Arabs sell oil. The Italians are great cooks. The Germans are efficient.
They're called "generalizations". Many of us use them. What planet are you from that you don't get that?
But let me point something out to you crack heads:
Where did he get all the money to build the "Angel Light"? Especially after he was, according to the article, bankrupted by building the bear suit?
My guess is from selling those other inventions of his. Maybe even to Japan!

re:

"Where did he get all the money to build the "Angel Light"? Especially after he was, according to the article, bankrupted by building the bear suit?
My guess is from selling those other inventions of his. Maybe even to Japan!"

troy's family has made a compfortable living in the scrap metal (recycling) trade. by the way, troy himself worked for many years in the family scrap yard. by dismantling various applicances, cars etc. he no doubt aquired a working knowlege of how things are put together. those skills, when combined with a fertile imagination and a carnival barkers sense of self-promotion have got him the publicity he craves, but i doubt he has made a cent of profit on any invention.

John,

Granted the Ursus can take a beating - but so can a metal box. Point being, in order to be useful the suit must provide not only protection but mobility. Per copious discussions on this thread it clearly fails to provide mobility and is thus a useless invention.

The futility of the suit is best demonstrated by Troy's own tests of the suit: when's the last time you had a need to stand immobile while your friends hit you with shovels, or swung logs at you from trees, or drove into you with their pickup? In equivalent real-life scenarios you'd want *mobility* so you could get out of the way, or rescue someone, or...*do* something besides stand around.

As for generalizations...granted they're a necessary abstraction that we all are obliged to utilize from time to time. However, abstraction is one thing...having internal *conversations* with you abstractions is another, and I find it amusing. It's like talking with an imaginary friend and relaying the conversation to a news reporter.

Perhaps I'm being "low," but if so it's because I think Troy's delusions are funny and I like poking fun at him and the "reporters" who present his ramblings as "news", not because I'm criticizing Troy for generalizing.

As for your "guess" that he's been paid for his inventions...you seem to be implying that the purchase of one or more of Troy's inventions is proof that they work as advertised. Not true. Given the extraordinary nature of Troy's claims, formal scientific proof is required, or *at least* demonstations of success in real-world situations. Troy has provided no such proof.

Furthermore, you seem to be asserting that we're all a bunch of sloppy thinkers ("crack heads") on this thread, and that your observations are so keen relative to ours that you can trump our entire conversation with a single post.

If you'd bother to read the thread before making such assumptions, you'd have known that there's not a single credible record of *anyone* purchasing an invention of Troy's for *any* real-world application. You'd also know that we've completely dismantled the notion that Troy's "garage inventor" status is relevant to proving the validity or in-validity of his claims.

And if you didn't catch the "tongue in cheek" flavor of the Outside Magazine article I'd suggest reading it again, or perhaps having someone with high-school reading/comprehension skills read it to you.

But thanks for your post, it was good for a few giggles.

Actually the term crack heads refered back to my comment above (The crack about..).
That's called a double entendre. I learned about those in high school english. That and generalizations.
Hmm, maybe you should try a high school english class yourself.

As regards the abstractions,
The one we are referencing is his use of the term "Japan" from the article:
"Japan," he says, "has the foresight to say, 'Give this man a half a million dollars, let him build the Mark VII. All we want from it is the blueprints."
I don't see an internal conversation there. Point it out to me, why don't you?
Maybe that's one of those seemingly asserted things you were going on about, huh? (Like the way I seem to have asserted that someone buying an invention is proof that the invention works?)
In answer to that, go back and look at the literal, (as opposed to seemingly asserted) meaning of my statement. It has nothing to do with the feasability of the invention, but merely states that this guy appears to have a positive cash flow NOW, whereas he was $37,000 in debt before. (In fact the bear suit was being auctioned off by bankruptcy trustees.)

I merely took the information given in the article and hypothesized that, somehow, he had gotten far enough out of debt to go and dump another sizeable chunk of cash into his new "Angel Light" project.

I don't have someone "with high-school reading/comprehension skills" right at hand, but if I did, he or she would probably notice the flaw in your whole "mobility" argument, as referenced to the article. Go back and read it, I'll wait.....
You see? He wasn't talking about "Japan" buying the Mark VI. He was refering to investment capital for the Mark VII.

"This suit will have 90 percent flexibility. I can sit down and have a cup of coffee with it on."

We know he built the Mark VI to be able to withstand a beating, and now (according to the article) he has the mobility issue resolved (at least on paper).
That's from the article. And then zip forward to NOW. And he's gone and put a big chunk of money into the "Angel Light". Where did he get it?
I can't believe the "scrap business" is that lucrative, to allow him the finances AND the time to put into his inventions. Again, he was in debt to the tune of $37000 before, where was that "comfortable living" then? (Hi Geebs!)
Really, seriously, WHERE DID HE GET THE MONEY???

You're welcome.

P.S. Grown ups who giggle are often insane. You should have that checked out.

John:
From wikipedia.org:

"A double entendre is a figure of speech similar to the pun, in which a spoken phrase can be understood in either of two ways. The first, literal meaning is an innocent one, while the second meaning is often risqu

OOO,
I got burned!
No really, why don't you even pay attention to your own posts? The Wikipedia reference states "the second meaning is often risqu

I have no solid opinion on the validity of this matter (even though it does sound fairly far fetched). I was interested to check out the realtronics website on internic whois.

Domain Name: REALTRONICS.COM
Registrar: GKG.NET, INC.
Whois Server: whois.gkg.net
Referral URL: http://www.gkg.net
Name Server: NS.BHFC.NET
Name Server: NS2.BHFC.NET
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 16-oct-2004
Creation Date: 29-sep-1999
Expiration Date: 29-sep-2013

How long has this "hoax" been going on? Since '99?

I've seen the discovery channel show on this Angel Light. It looked real. I also heard the fellow talk on coasttocoastam. I don't think it's a hoax unlike a lot of other topics on "coast." You call it a hoax when you don't know anyting about it. People thought the lazer beem was science fiction when it was first built. Who's laughing now on that one? People laughed at Galileo and said he was a nut when he said a bb would fall at the same speed as a cannon ball. That's why Galileo is well read nowadays and his doubters have drowned in obscurity. I'd would rather be a nut myself. this fellow will be laughing all the way to the bank while you laugh at him.

portamenteff, your logic is flawed. Basically you said that because people laughed at claims made by other people in the past, the fact that people laugh at Troy's claims may mean that his "invention" is legitimate.

That, of course, is nonsense. The reaction of other people has no bearing on whether or not Troy's "invention" is real or not. Either it works or it doesn't. No one has suggested that people's reaction to it is proof that it doesn't work. I'll repeat: either it works or it doesn't. So far, Troy has provided NO proof that it does, so there is simply no evidence that it is legitimate. Period.

portamenteff,

Did you see the Discovery Channel/Angel Light show on TV or on the Web? Can you post a Web link?

this guy lives just outside of where i live. he is a nut. look at his hairdo. and the baytoday is just a little web publication. they were probably just looking for something to write. he is not an MIT alumni, and who said he was? this guy is a weirdo. end of story.

i could not take him seriously when he came in to the store where i used to work. and he's a bit of a dick too.

Hey Fellas,

I/ve know about this guy for years. This Angel light thing sounds crazy, but so has everything else he's done, and he has done them. Haven't you seen when he chucks himself down the cliff? It is f-ing crazy, How about when he paints a hockey helmet with his paste and does an interview while some blasts his head with a 2000 degree celsius blowtorch. That's been on discovery channel and they shot the footage - it wasn't supplie by Hurtubise. They also did a show on his armoured bag that talkes the equivilant of a RPG strike in dynamite strapped to the outside, and leaves a car door intact behind it. I hear there is third party footage, but havent seen it where he demos his paint that stops the most powerful bullets around 30-06, or 303s or something. As to it not being bought, the government is sitting on armour it has in warehouses in the states (AP, Reuters) instead of sending it to Iraq, so it isn't surprising that they don't wan't this stuff. In fact it seems they only by from themselves - haliburton, Tamiflu. You guys sound like a bunch of bitter sissies who have never created anything, and try to make yourselves feel better by trashing weirdos, like Hurtubise. It's dinks like you who would have us back in the stone-age just to save your fragile illusions about your importance and place in the world. Contribute or Shut the F-Up

I'll say it again. If it worked, which the fire paste does, he would have called Discovery Channel and had them come back to do a story on his latest invention.

He hasn't because it doesn't. End of story. Case closed.