United Nuclear is selling a
Hydrogen Fuel System Kit that will allow you to convert your existing car to run on hydrogen. It's not for sale just yet, but they promise that they're "currently fleet-testing our systems and are in final preparation for sales to the general public." If they ever do manage to perfect this, I'd buy it. I'd love to never have to worry about going to a gas station again. But I have serious doubts that United Nuclear really does have a system like this nearly ready for sale to the public.
I've
written about United Nuclear before, expressing doubts about whether they were really selling all the stuff they claim to sell. For instance, do they really sell super radioactive ore for the home hobbyist? Apparently United Nuclear was founded by
Bob Lazar, who's known to be a bit of a crackpot scientist. He claims to have reverse engineered alien spacecrafts, for instance. This would seem to lower the company's credibility a little. (Wikipedia link via
Gizmodo)
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Couldn't possibly spoil the landscape as much as having to go to war and kill a hundred thousand Arabs every six years or so. Which is where we are now with oil.
As far as solar panels go, they are useful in certain situations but I have never had the energy costs explained clear enough. Doesn't it always cost more to create solar panels than you will ever get from them? Something to do with entropy I believe? There ain't no free lunch.
Well, we'll see what the future will bring.
http://www.bmwworld.com/hydrogen/h2r_racer.htm
http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=cfeb17de-d945-4db4-87a6-090911200e96
The process is taught in many grade and high school classes.It is a simple form of electrolesis.A small battery and some salt water is all thats needed.I know this as I have ran my truck(a '96 ford150)on it for the last 6 months.Ther has been no damage caused by using H2+O1.In fact my milage has not only gotten better by 40%,but my spark plugs burn cleaner,My engine is now free of carbon buildup,and when I passed a laser EPA van my report showed 25% less emissions.I am in the process of building units capable of producing enough H2 continously for the average automobile.Tell me if $200 is too much for this advantage.It is a simple hookup to any car,any model.Look for BROKEN WATERS,Thanks, Rich
1.) Regulation of the hydrogen so that it is manufactured at the same rate of usage, not too much lingering around to be a pressure/explosion hazard, not too little that the engine hesitates on acceleration.
2.) Engine DOES need to have stainless steel valves, not a problem for newer higher end American made vehicles.
3.) Catalytic converter removed from syste (no need anyway as byproduct of hydrogen combustion is water vapor
4.) Mufflers fill up with water and exaust system needs to be made stainless steel
Most of these problems can be avoided simply by just running a gasoline/hydrogen hybrid. It supplements the gasoline with hydrogen, and you can boost your milage by 10-50% depending on your hydrogen generator design.
It is definately out there....You're obviously on the Web this far, just open Google and search "Hydrogen Generator" "Water Engine" and soon you'll be on the right track.
Yes Santa Claus, there really IS a Hydrogen powered car from water! :D
Anyway, United Nuclear is completely real, I have ordered many things off of it including chemicals and equipment. I know someone who ordered one of the radioactive kits as well.
As for their hydrogen system, I have great faith that they will optimize it and have it ready for the public. As of when, I do not know, but it is a great idea and deserves respect.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=d7ZZAfZnvog
NOBODY THINKS THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!
It is very possible, and has been done many times. Nobody is denying that. The point we're trying to make (that everyone ignores) is that it costs more in the long run to produce the hydrogen then it does to produce the gasoline. Until the cost of hydrogen production drops to a comparable level with gasoline it's not cost-effective to switch over. The energy to produce that hydrogen has to come from somewhere, and right now that ultimately is still oil. It takes more oil to produce the hydrogen then it does to produce the gasoline.
Until bigger and more efficient solar, wind, or even nuclear plants are built, or a drastically more efficient method of hydrogen production is devised, it's simply not going to save us any oil to switch our cars over to hydrogen.
http://www.bmwworld.com/models/745h.htm
Several other manufacturers are working on such projects as well. While I will acknowledge there are some differences of opinions about range of travel, the concepts are at least real.
As for whether the use of chemically bonded hydrogen vs liquid hydrogen is feasible, I would point out that stored in a liquid state would require extremely low temperatures (over 200 degrees F below zero) which would pose problems for long term storage of fuel in the vehicle.
This would make it impossible to mix the hydrogen with pure oxygen. The storage system he is selling is real, although I would think in a normal vehicle it would run a car for about 5 minutes. The fact is, the only real solution is to work harder on the electrolisis generation. It is the only safe method of transporting hydrogen, as water on-board the car. I have had great luck producing hydrogen with electrolosis to run lawnmowers and a motorcycle(250 cc) But nothing like a car yet.
I saw that someone was concerned about engines rusting from the inside. First, engines now are generally made of aluminum. And, second, you're forgetting about the fact that pistons a cylinders are lubricated with oil which will prevent rust. Last, the heat in the combustion chamber and exhaust system will be enough to dry those parts enough that they would rust any more than they do today.
And, for the person who mentioned the Hindenburg, you'd better study a bit more science that play virtual reality games. Science has proved that the Hindenburg fire started from a spark igniting a very combustible component in the paint covering the skin of the lighter-than-air ship (the same component used in NASA's solid rocket boosters!)not from the Hydrogen.
If you would bother to Google "hydrogen for cars" you would see that Californis already is using Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles and has a map of all the refueling stations, and expects to have a state-wide "Hydrogen Highway" by 2012. You also find that Honda already has both a Fuel Cell Hydrogen car (the FCX) and A car with a Hydrogen internal combustion engine (ICE). Also, that GM and Dow teamed up in a joint venture to produce Hydrogen cars and distribute hydrogan for those cars world-wide.
It is coming, folks! Hybrid cars in 5 or less years will be obsolete.
Tom (MA Engineering, MBA)
This means that, as it stands now, gasoline is more efficient than hydrogen. Until this changes it's not going to do the average person any good to convert their cars. Hydrogen fuel cells are an attempt to produce hydrogen more efficiently, but they're very expensive to produce and maintain as well as still not equalling gasoline's efficiency.
Note that I still feel hydrogen research is desirable, even by 'garage researchers', but that doesn't mean that I'm blind to its faults like so many other people seem to be.
... Its just what caused it lift. Anyways.. Modern hydrogen systems are more safe to use than a typical gas engine. Why? Because there is not hydrogen stored in any form other than in the gas lines.. Your fuel tank is only a water tank... If your not for us, your against us.. If your not helping to bring hydrogen tech to the mass, your working to keep it from us and dooming us to a lifetime of being slaves to big o
You know, something other than "Dude..? Are you like really R'Tarded or something?".
Here is the major thought of mine on the subject....How is it that companies with virtually endless supplies of research and development money (regardless of who they are) that employ chemical engineers and mechanical engineers by the thousands, that supposedly understand all of the current theories concerning the trades, can't come up with the kind of scientific results as a Brown's gas torch salesman can?
Something else to consider: Everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon and be a nay sayer trying to explain how EXPENSIVE it is to use electricity to generate hydrogen.....
First of all, when was the last time the alternator in your car or truck sent you an electric bill?
OK I know....the next thing somebody is going to tell me is that your vehicle only has one alternator.....and that is does not make enough power to decompose water into hydrogen to run a car......
How many WOULD it take? Two? Three? Five? Ten? Twenty?....Hmmm let me see, I think they might go as high as 200 amps each or is it more?
If a belt can turn the pully on one alternator, couldn't it pull two....etc? How many?
Ok so now I'm going to hear that it is too big of a drain on the engine to run multiple alternators to power numerous batteries.....
So who ever said it had to be driven by the motor?
Two wheel drive vehicles have 2 extra wheels that are not powered......does that mean that an extra 2 wheels with gear ratios modified to drive the alternator/generators?
If you think you can, or think you can't, generally speaking you are correct. If you're waiting for the right opportunity to do it, waiting for the right day, waiting for Uncle Bob and Aunt Jane to go home.....you'll be waiting forever and it'll never get done.
Don't die with the hope for mankind in you silent, it might be you,YES YOU that holds the key to last piece of the puzzle....DO IT TODAY!
Alternators don't just provide free power, it has to come from somewhere else first. In a gasoline powered car the gasoline is burned in the engine to provide mechanical force, which drives the wheels. This mechanical force is also used to drive the alternator. No engine = no alternator running = no electricity.
Now, you might argue that an engine burning hydrogen would also provide mechanical energy that can be siphoned off to run an alternator, and you'd be right. You could even chain many alternators together to provide enough electricity to break the hydrogen out of water. But that requires a lot of mechanical power. So much so that you wouldn't have any power left over to actually move the car.
In fact the problem is even greater than that. Right now there is no way to get more power out of water via hydrogen than is required to get that hydrogen in the first place.
If this isn't clear then let's try an extremely simplified example.
You want to produce 100 units of power by generating hydrogen from water. Unfortunately since this is such a difficult process it turns out that it requires 120 units of power to produce that 100 units of hydrogen power. That's right, every time we produce 100 units of hydrogen power we consume 120 units of fossil fuel power, or the equivalent. That's a net loss of 20 units. More or less, this is in no way meant to be an exact demonstration.
It simply requires more hydrogen to electrolyze all that water than you get back from it. It's an energy sink.
If you can figure out how to produce 100 units of hydrogen power with 100 units or less of conventional power then you've got something.
That's the goal people are working toward. Until that goal is reached hydrogen will require more energy to run your car than gasoline, which is rather counterproductive.
Link here to the video... http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/imaaronhall/?action=view¤t=MVI_0127.flv
Link here will take you to page with many links to others who use this method and to Inventor's videos (before he died from poisoning) where he teaches how to make this water fuel cell... http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=416
This process is NOT Electrolysis. It is 180% out of phase with Electrolysis. Is exactly the opposite of Electrolysis. Produces much more power that is required to produce the hydrogen. Does so with tap water and no additives.
Naysayers never get anywhere, except nowhere.
In the Middle Ages there was a chess-playing machine that beat many human players, even some very good ones. The games were public and watched to make sure that the owner of the machine wasn't making the moves himself. He wasn't. It wasn't until much later that the midget inside the machine was discovered. He was an excellent chess player.
If I Released 20 litres of Hydrogen into a workshop and reached into my pocket took out a box of matches an lit one I would still be here as hydrogen would be forced being the lightest material known to man to the top or ceiling instantly any small cracks etc and it would have escaped to the atmosphere with in 30 seconds NO BOOM i'm sorry but the petrol would burn for some time producing a noctious gas and smell of petrol.
Now just how do you convert a petrol engine to run on hydrogen -- quite easily --- Weather you have a cylinder of hydrogen or a Water to hydrogen/oxygen converter the same thing operates.
The Petrol Engine. Because of the slow burning speed of petrol so that a spark will detonate the petrol gas in the cylinder under compression ths spark has to be set at about 12mm/ 1/2in before TDC to allow the motor to run. Now remember the facts of Hydrogen - the fastest butning substance in the world -- needs the compressed gas to be ignighted just before TDC or at TDC - remember Hydrogen IMPLODES and produces Water in the cylinder head. Now comes the clever part. Fact Water Boils at 100deg C (a small diversion, if you have a small compressor to blow your tyres up you will find the input will be cool but the output hose will be warm to very hot - no not friction - the temperature enflicted by compression up to 450deg C. How ever let us return to the petrol engine of the common car the compression at about 8 to 9 to 1 will produce up to 300deg C. water boils @ 100deg C so we have instant steem and more but the steem bufs will tell you super heated steem is about 250deg C. and we have a compressed temp of about 350deg C. we have lift off with super heated steam. Now to those who want to run both petrol and hydrogen you have a timing problem which would have to be able to be changed at the same time as you change over. To get the Hydrogen delivered economically use the Joe-Cell system it works with less than 4 amps at 12 volts at start and will generate hydrogen to power a V8 4 litre engine with ease (130km on a cup and a half of water as described in one of the videos.) have yet to test it but it runs the honda 11hp genset 15amps at 240v over night on a cup of water. By the way the energy from hydrogen will deliver up to 60% more than petrol and leave no polutants other than water. Try it out and Join Us with free Fuel.
Learn Charybdis in Hell on Mon Jun 11, 2007. The Joe-Cell for Charybdis in Hell should do some research and come up to the level of 2007 not year 1807. Now he asks why the governments don't go for it, very simple they would get no money from its use no excise/taxes on water.
The oil companys control many governments around the world - they even have wars about Oil.
By the way the Joe-Cell is a very simple system utilising 316/7 stainless steel tubing and from 1.6mm to 4mm wall thickness the tubes
ranging from center pin at 12mm to 14mm and spaced evenly tubes 10mm larger in say 5,7,9,11 steps (12mm +, 22mm -, 32mm +, 42mm -, 52mm +, 62mm -, 72mm +, 82mm -,)
the interesting thing about this process is quite simple. Let us put the system together using air as the electrolite and the tubes are each insulated from each other and we connect say the negative from a battery to the center and the positive to the outer tube. you have now charged a capacitor. now whot would happen if we measured the voltage at the intermediate tubes we would have an equal voltage drop on each plate from the center to the outer tube showing an actual capacitor.
Now let us put some water in the mix and cover the plates of the capacitor and again apply the power to the center pin and the outer tube as before after a few seconds the current will drop to below 4 amps and from then on always stay below 4 amps. you will notice that a froth has formed on the top of the capasitor this gas is hydrogen and oxygen. how does it happen well if you understand that water and it has to be the purest you can get it will work , water is an insulator so whot is happening can be explained this simple.
The capacitor is subjected to a catistropic failure as the stainless steel plates cannot change like the foil wrapped capacitors in the old TV sets of yester year that used to fail caused a gooy confetty to be spread inside the TV case.
This failue in the capacitor converts water to hydrogen and oxygen. So with this free almost hydrogen being delivered to the intake of the engine you have hydrogen system powered energy.
The cylinders placed in a glass beaker which a large lid can be arrached with an outlet tube and a screw plug to top up the water level and a tube fed into the air cleaner towards the air flow valve, timing set petrol turned off, turn the key on for 5 seconds then start the engine it will run now re adjust the timing by ear you will hear the engine run sweetly lock it up, give it a few revs, watch the glass with the warer and plates they will make the water very fizzy and when it is running dis connect the battery from the cell and provided the engine is 3,500 rpm or more the engine will runwith out power to the cell - so take that for a spare alternator or two. (do a Google on Joe-Cell and get up to date and physically make one instead of pulling things to pieces with out even leaving your keyboard and computer.)
Thank you for allowing me to be critical of you who have not even tried to make it work, like the bee cannot fly and because nobody told it,it couldn't, it flys, and the 2stroke motor, those polutant motors theoretically will not work, so when you cut the lawn or hear a chain saw running tell them it is not possible, I dare you to try this out instead of waisting energy critisising what you are lacking in knowledge.
One reasearch the subject as I did 35 years ago, but it took 3 years on the internet to find out how it works, and like I was told change your idea's and make one and you will be surprised how it works. I will give you any assistance you may need, just ask me if you dare.
I'll put this in caps since people seem to miss it.
NOBODY IS SAYING HYDROGEN VEHICLES DON'T/WON'T WORK!
There, was that clear enough for you?
The argument is that it isn't efficient enough to beat the cost of oil. Will it ever? Probably. Is it worth pursuing? Definitely. But right now hydrogen powered vehicles (real ones, not the fantasy ones that people keep harping on) are just more expensive to own and operate. You haven't changed that fact with your post, sorry.
Oh! When I was in school (Late 70's), we studies alternative energy sources. I read numerous articles on hydorgen powered vehicles... We even saw a movie showing then driving a hydrogen powered Gremlin. So hydrogen powered cars work, but do they last???