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Giant Alligator
image An image has been circulating showing a giant alligator hanging from a crane, as a person in uniform walks behind it. But according to the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission (as quoted in the Texarkana Gazette), the image is fake:

"It's fake. It didn't happen. We don't just go out and kill alligators just because they are there. I don't know why anyone would perpetuate something like that," he said. "There is a lot that comes across the Internet that is fabricated," said Arkansas Game and Fish Commission Lt. Don Albright...
According to the photograph's accompanying text, Evening Shade, Ark., residents Charles and Anita Rogers, who may or may not exist, said they could hear "bellowing" during the evening hours. According to the story, their neighbors attributed the alleged noise to a giant alligator they saw in the pond that runs behind their home.
"I didn't believe it," Charles Rogers said in the story.
Albright said the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission has detained large alligators in the past like the one seen in the picture. However, he said the organization has a policy to protect the alligators rather than shooting them, hanging their remains from a suspended crane and taking pictures of their trophy.


But how exactly is it fake? That's not clear to me. Is it the caption that's fake? Or has the image been photoshopped? Snopes suspects the image is genuine, but has the incident occurring in Texas.
Animals
Posted by The Curator on Thu Aug 25, 2005
Hello?! Wiess Lake, not Lake Weiss (misspelled AND backwards) isn't surrounded by Spanish Moss covered oak trees.And look how the strap isn't even attached to the bucket.What a dope!
Posted by teri lay  in  GA  on  Wed Jan 10, 2007  at  07:24 PM
The picture is not a fake. And the gator was killed around Houston. The reason that i know this is because the officer that is showen name is Joe Goff, he is a Texas game warden. His father was also a game warden in Andrews Co. and other surrounding areas. Joe Goff shot the gator because of its threat to the location and had to be moved. He shot it with a single shot int he head with a .22LR.
Posted by Justen Wilson  in  Andrews, Texas  on  Fri Apr 13, 2007  at  05:42 PM
The photo is real. It was in the Brazosport Facts when it happened.

The largest gator that has been killed one block from my house there was 11.5 ft. long. The killer almost got in trouble, even tho the gator came out of the lake behind his house, chasing him and his dog, because it was not "gator season" yet. My husband was driving to work one day and saw the game warden and employees roping one that was 6 ft long. My neighbor had one on her front porch that was 3 ft. long.

If the gator is small enough it is taken to Brazos Bend Park. If it is too large it is shot and killed. This one was too large to move to a park and keep alive. I don't know what they did with the carcass. There was also one that was shot and killed in Katy Texas about a year ago, that is NW Houston.

You can go to Brazos Bend Park in Texas, in Brazoria County, and see MANY huge gators. They are allowed to roam loose, and you can walk right past them. We have done that for years, and no one has been attacked. They must keep them well fed and lazy. Do not let your dog run loose there without a short leash though. I still have the local newspaper with this gator photo on the front page. I will find out what date it was. But it is very real.

A friend of ours, Dick Robie, was out by a levee in Lake Jackson Texs and his dog was out in the water, and a gator came up and grabbed the dog. The dog did not survive. This levee is right behind McClean park and the little league fields and the recreation center, and the middle school is across the street from this area. No fences.

I still have that photo of that huge gator saved on my computer from when it was in the paper.
Posted by Barbara Tiemeier  in  Lake Jackson texas  on  Tue Apr 17, 2007  at  12:20 PM
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/brazos_bend/
BRAZOS BEND STATE PARK full of huge alligators.

They come up out of this lake, too. It is a block from my house. The biggest one I know of to date is 11.5 ft. long. It was shot and killed by David Melass.

"The work of the underwater archeology crews (which came to be known as the TAS Navy) attracted attention as well. Braving muck and a tangle of aquatic plants, Brenda Whorton and assistants surveyed the bottom of the oxbow lake to determine if it could have been smaller during the nineteenth century and used a magnetometer to look for anomalies. Their efforts paid off: they discovered the original road (now underwater) leading from the sugar mill to the other side of the lake where the slave quarters and other buildings were located.

Although the divers had been assured that there were no alligators present, the critters apparently returned soon after the TAS field school cleared out. The very day after field school ended, Joan Few learned that a 5-foot alligator was spotted in the lake!" I would call that one a baby.

I am flying to our house in Lake Jackson Texas on Sat. I will find that newspaper and put the date of it here when I get it. I have also emailed the Brazosport Facts and asked them for the date of the photo. It isn't the only big gator caught in Texas, only one of many.
Posted by Barbara Tiemeier  in  Lake Jackson Texas  on  Tue Apr 17, 2007  at  01:50 PM
http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/wcgator.asp

Giant Alligator

Claim: Photograph shows a 13-foot alligator killed in Texas.

Status: True.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2005]

http://www.thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=86dd3c1ea51fe00d

This is a real photo of a gator killed in Bay City, TX.

Lot of South Texas Nuc Plant folk live in this area. Look at the size of that head!

Here is another reason to stay out of the ditches and bayous.

This was found at Bar X, which is between Angleton and West Columbia, near a house. How would you like to meet this fella in the dark? Never let it be said that we don't grown them big in Texas.

April 2005:
Game wardens forced to shoot alligator
Published April 16, 2005

WEST COLUMBIA - Anita and Charlie Rogers could hear the bellowing in the night.

Her neighbors in Bar X Ranch had been telling them they had seen a giant alligator in the bayou that runs behind their house, but they dismissed the stories as exaggerations.

"I didn't believe it," Charles Rogers said. Friday they realized the stories were, if anything, understated. Texas Parks and Wildlife game wardens had to shoot the beast.

(Caption: Joe Goff, a game warden with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, walks past a 13-foot, 1-inch alligator that he shot and killed in the back yard of the home at the Bar X Ranch on FM 521 near West Columbia.)

The startling picture was taken by Val Horvath, a photographer then working for The Facts, a newspaper in Clute, Texas.

The American alligator is commonly found throughout the southern U.S., including the eastern third of Texas, generally in and around fresh-water sources such as swamps, rivers, bayous, and marshes. They typically range in size from 6 to 14 feet in length, so a 13-ft. gator would certainly be a large specimen, but not an extraordinarily-sized one.

This image is another example of how positioning can exaggerate the apparent size of objects in photographs. The alligator is in the foreground of the picture, with its head turned towards the camera, while a game warden strolls in the background, making the reptile (particularly its head) seem proportionally larger than it really is.
Posted by Barbara Tiemeier  in  Lake Jackson Texas  on  Tue Apr 17, 2007  at  01:59 PM
I think that the gator my have actually been killed, but the shot was staged because the uniformed officer was not actually walking or there would have been a blurry picture of him because he would have been moving, where as in the actual picture his photo was clear and the edges sharp. it may have happened but the picture was defiantly staged...
Posted by Becky  in  Cleavland Ohio  on  Sun Apr 22, 2007  at  01:20 PM
CLEVELAND OHIO:

It is true. THE FACTS our local newspaper
April 16, 2005 Still available online the front page from that date - I still have the hard copy at home.... my son insisted that we keep it.
http://www.thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=86dd3c1ea51fe00d

You can contact the paper and ask them about it at
http://thefacts.com/letter.lasso

I don't know how big gators can get but the biggest one in my neighborhood was 11.5 ft long. That I know of.

They don't put "staged" photos on the front page. This one was very real. If they can catch them and take them to a wildlife park they do. If not, they must shoot them and haul them off. Which is sad and upsets all the local kids who see it. But not as sad as if the gator ate some of the kids. We also have a home in So. Calif. where we have a problem with mountain lions, coyotes, and bears coming into town and eating small pets. And even some large ones. It is just nature.

http://www.bigeasy.com/features/alligator.html
How big can an alligator grow?

Alligators can live to 60 or 70 years-old. Full grown females can reach 8 1/2 feet long. Males can reach 14 feet and the longest recorded gator was 19 feet long.

"You can estimate a submerged alligator's size easily," Lazare says, "The length of nostrils to eyes in inches is about the length of the body in feet."

I went on this swamp tour a couple of years ago, just outside New Orleans and it was quite interesting. We got to walk on the boggy swamp land, and we got to hold a baby gator.
Posted by Barbara Tiemeier  in  Lake Jackson Texas (and Los Angeles)  on  Wed Apr 25, 2007  at  03:16 PM
Forgot to mention, Brazosport Texas and Houston were built on swamps, and alligators were here first. They get quite large, they go back to the .......

Did gators crawl out of Jurassic Park?

Almost. Alligators have existed since early in the Jurassic period (140-190 million years ago), but they are reptiles, which means they are cold blooded. They cannot regulate their own body temperature and have very low metabolism rates, says Lazare. In winter, their metabolism slows down further and in temperatures below 78 degrees they cannot digest food. Instead it will actually rot in their stomachs. Not that this keeps alligators from hunting. But in winter they will slow down and sleep for several days at a time in partially submerged dens they build at a bayou's edge or riverbank.
Posted by Barbara Tiemeier  in  Lake Jackson Texas and Los Angeles  on  Wed Apr 25, 2007  at  03:19 PM
In addition to Ben's forced perspective observations and visual measurments, I have one to add. The gator is clearly held above the ground a good distance distorting its size. The tail does not touch the ground and is being held up by something out of photo. This gives the sense of the gator being on the ground, but judging from the man's shadow being visible uder the tail, it is a safe bet the animal is at least a foot off the ground. This mixed with the gator being the foremost object in the picture gives an inflated sense of its size.
Posted by Joe  in  Maine  on  Wed May 02, 2007  at  04:17 PM
At this point, I think it would be more expedient to just cut and paste the info from previous posts rather than going to all the trouble of putting it into your own words.

Of course, that might be a bit presumptuous of me.. it's entirely possible that some are just too lazy to read the previous posts and honestly believe that they're contributing something new. If that's the case, then I apologize to them for mistaking their incompetence for dishonesty.
Posted by Jack S.  in  Los Angeles  on  Wed May 02, 2007  at  04:46 PM
It is fake.... the person casting strong shadows immediately beneath himself...and the gator none...the shadows on the underside of the gator dont match the shadowing throughout the image, and when blown up, the graininess of the gator as oppossed to the remainder of the image is different...the gator shows greater pixellation indicating it was blown up somewhat.
Posted by Kurt  in  Alaska  on  Fri May 11, 2007  at  03:28 AM
The Gator was taken in south Florida behind a home... The image is real and has not been altered. It's not too uncommon to see big gators like that in Florida Swamps.
Posted by Brian  in  Florida  on  Fri May 25, 2007  at  12:55 PM
As I said it is from the front page of the Brazosport Facts, we kept the paper copy because before this gator the biggest one in our neighborhood had been 11.5 ft. long. This one was over 13 ft. long. Check it out http://www.thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=86dd3c1ea51fe00d

Gator done

Joe Goff, a game warden with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, walks past a 13-foot, 1-inch alligator that he shot and killed in the back yard of a home in the Bar X Ranch on FM 521 near West Columbia.

Published April 16, 2005
Photo by Val Horvath

Since then there has been another one in my little hometown - we are moving back there next week!

Now there is another gator story there...

Gator raises stir in Jones Creek

By John Lowman
The Facts

Published May 15, 2007

JONES CREEK
Posted by Barbara Tiemeier  in  Los Angeles California  on  Sat May 26, 2007  at  01:03 AM
Kurt & Brian - it is not fake. It is over 13 ft long. Check out Brazos Bend State Park you can see lots of them without fences. If you take your pets, keep them on a leash. One time we counted 26 of them at the park, sunning themselves. They must keep them well fed because they never attack and there is nothing between you and the gators.

You can still look it up at http://www.thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=86dd3c1ea51fe00d
Front page of our local paper in 2005.

Re: Brazos Bend State Park
One of the best spots in Texas to photograph the alligators is probably the 2000 hectares Brazos Bend State Park, managed by Texas Parks & Wildlife. It is the best example of prime inland habitat in Texas and one of the best examples in the entire United States as well. It is very different from other coastal and inland sites in that a large number of alligators exist in a single locality where several bodies of water are in close proximity to each other and are interspersed by trails. This is significant in terms of viewing alligators without disturbing them with a noisy airboat engine.
Posted by Barbara Tiemeier  on  Sat May 26, 2007  at  01:12 AM
Just so you know, this picture is real. I was there when they took the photo.
Posted by Becca  in  Lake Jackson, T.X.  on  Wed Jun 13, 2007  at  01:26 AM
Yes, apparently none of the photos circulated with this hoax are fake, just the locations.
(Someone has too much time on his hands!)
There are TWO 13-foot gators pictured.
Live gator is from 2004 :
http://www.fws.gov/southeast/news/2004/r04-073.html
Dead gator is from 2005:
http://www.thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=86dd3c1ea51fe00d
Posted by Dfoofnik  on  Sat Jul 21, 2007  at  06:48 AM
This town was built on a former swamp. It has rained about four inches every day here for the past month or two. It rains all the time. It is the home of alligators. They were here before we were. The area was first inhabited by the Karankawa indians. They spread alligator grease on their bodies as mosquito repellent. Don't know if it worked, but the mosquitoes are bad here, since it is swamp climate. They actually have The Great Mosquito Festival in the next town - Clute, Texas. That is all they have so they celebrate it. LOL I am back at home in Texas, after two years in LA. I have the actual front page of the newspaper that had the alligator featured on the front page. The Brazosport Facts. Saturday paper, April 16, 2005. I have it right here. http://www.thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=86dd3c1ea51fe00d

http://www.snopes.com says TRUE.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/wcgator.asp

This is THEIR home, too. They were here FIRST. Like it or not. Just as there are coyotes in San Marino Calif. Just as there are grizzlies in Alaska. There are wolves and foxes around, too. Wild animals DO exist, like it or not. They are common at 12-14 ft. long. There have been several killed IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. Timbercreek area of Lake Jackson Texas. The biggest one was 11 ft long right down the street. They are common here. We killed a copperhead snake in our yard in April. We killed a Prairie rattlesnake in June - NOT usually in this area. And we tried to kill a coral snake here in our yard in July, but it got away. They are very deadly, as poisonous as a cobra.

That is what it is like, in a swamp.
Posted by Barbara Tiemeier  in  Lake Jackson (formerly a swamp) Texas  on  Sat Jul 21, 2007  at  09:09 AM
My wife and I lived in Bar X 4 years ago. There were always stories of a 12' Gator in the Ditch there. One night my wife heard a loud noise, the next day we found a full grown doe but in half by this gator (or a large one like it). I believe that a large gator can live in Bar X, and that many do.
Posted by Chuck  in  Houston  on  Mon Jul 23, 2007  at  05:37 PM
ummm.... ok im like a like blond like and i dont get wat this picture is.........so like i think that it is crule to take pictures of a boy taking a poop. cuz that is what the pic is...so ya like ya like......oh my god ya
Posted by ashley  in  california  on  Sat Aug 04, 2007  at  10:54 AM
ok heres what im seeing so far the alligators head is lolled to the side in a funny postion if you make the pic bigger and look at the rope tied to the crane there is really nothing its tied to the tail is also bent even though its not touching the ground the alligator has no shadow and the mans does not travel over his tail at all although i have seen alligators that size and larger ive never known the gamewardens of florida to kill them unless they are proven dangourus to humans or pets but for pets they will most likely relocate them so i say this picture must be doctored
Posted by Alligator stan  in  in IL fri sep 13 2007  on  Thu Sep 13, 2007  at  04:41 PM
stop killing alligators,if you keap on killing them they will become extinct.They are not horifing monsters,they do not diserve this.I am a 11 year old trying to help alligators,i hope this helps.
Posted by cody  on  Mon Dec 17, 2007  at  09:03 AM
I think that if someone killed an alligator they should be arrest and put in jail for about a year because if alligators are on the extinced list why are we still killing them we should be saving them and stop making them in to boots, bags and bults and other stuff like that and I hope this message means something to you.
Posted by Karen R.  in  North Lauderdale, FL  on  Mon Dec 24, 2007  at  12:52 AM
Umm...American alligators aren't endangered. They appear to be a protected species, though.
Posted by Smerk  in  to mischief  on  Mon Dec 24, 2007  at  01:08 AM
You guys don't know the old big fish pic trick of holding the fish out, arm extended. The forced perspective makes it look huge. That's all this is, plain and simple. Someone pointed out how the officer's shadow doesn't fall over the tail. That shows how far away the gator actually is from the officer and the backhoe and how close it is to the camera. Also, the backhoe's arm is at a right angle but the angle makes it look taller than it really is. That gator is probably about 10 feet long.
Posted by Mike  in  Florida  on  Sun Feb 10, 2008  at  12:09 AM
real gator, real crane, fake cop
Posted by Anonymous  on  Thu Apr 03, 2008  at  10:27 PM
That is so fake really look at it and then when you look up at the head its about half size of the body and thats not right. The texture of the skin looks weird too.
Posted by Steph  in  CA  on  Thu Jun 26, 2008  at  12:19 AM
Hey guys.... just wanted to let you know that it is a 13.1 feet. REAL croc... Although maybe you should look um the SWEETHEART croc... 19 FT and CAPTURED then died in CApture.. not fake its real and on display he is male and at Darwin MUSEUM AUSTRALIA... just thought you would like to know THEY GET BIGGER.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetheart_(crocodile)

Anyways I think its sad they kill them they have been around long time...

Bye from Australia..

Kiera
Posted by Kiera Wilson  in  DARWIN NT AUSTRALIA  on  Wed Aug 20, 2008  at  07:52 PM
I have Responded to this posting before, as a Former Resident of the Subdivision where this Alligator was killed, and the Photo was taken, This particular Alligator was Extremly Dangerous, One resident fed it Chickens (the HOA frowned apon this, asked him to stop, and he Shot the HOA president 9 times over feeding this Alligator)
This Subdivision has several canals running all through it, Many, Many Alligators, and they are not afraid of humans. It was only a matter of time until this alligator finished off all of our pets and moved on to our children.
I appreicate the aspect of having wild animals around (at Bar X Ranch, there are Thousands of white tail deer) But when it comes to the safety of our children, I believe this is a necessary evil.
People can believe as they want, but this picture is real.
Posted by chuck  in  Bar X Ranch, Angleton Texas  on  Thu Aug 21, 2008  at  08:00 AM
It it is real, the size will be exagerated coz it's from Texas
Posted by Mike Cundell  in  The non USA part of Ebngland  on  Wed Oct 01, 2008  at  09:15 AM
Hi everyone!
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