I got an email from Enio asking me:
I would like to know your opinion about Masaru Emoto's "Crystal Water Photos".
First, some background. Masaru Emoto's book
The Hidden Messages in Water is currently #66 in sales rank on Amazon. That means A LOT of people are buying it. Here's the blurb from the cover that pretty much explains what Masaru Emoto and his crystal water photos are all about:
The Hidden Messages in Water is an eye-opening theory showing how water is deeply connected to people's individual and collective consciousness. Drawing from his own research, scientific researcher, healer, and popular lecturer Dr. Masaru Emoto describes the ability of water to absorb, hold, and even retransmit human feelings and emotions. Using high-speed photography, he found that crystals formed in frozen water reveal changes when specific, concentrated thoughts are directed toward it. Music, visual images, words written on paper, and photographs also have an impact on the crystal structure. Emoto theorizes that since water has the ability to receive a wide range of frequencies, it can also reflect the universe in this manner. He found that water from clear springs and water exposed to loving words shows brilliant, complex, and colorful snowflake patterns, while polluted water and water exposed to negative thoughts forms incomplete, asymmetrical patterns with dull colors. Emoto believes that since people are 70 percent water, and the Earth is 70 percent water, we can heal our planet and ourselves by consciously expressing love and goodwill.
What do I think of this theory? Well, at the risk of giving off a lot of negative energy that's going to make a whole bunch of water crystals get all bent out of shape, I think it's complete baloney. But then, I'm not very 'open minded' about things like this. So I would think that.
(but I have to add: since when has the earth been 70 percent water? Do they mean the surface of the earth? That might make sense. But the earth itself ain't 70 percent water)
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"I bet you disbelievers also say God is hoax. Huh? Athiests? That's what I thought. Nothing is real unless that isn't in front of your face well...except the news."
Gina, you aren't making any sense here. First off, yeah, I guess I'm an atheist...or at least an agnostic leaning toward atheism. So what? How does that in any way invalidate my belief that Emoto is full of crap?
"That's probably the gospel too to your type. I bet you voted for Bush and believe some middle eastern religious fanatic single-handedly ordered the attack on the twin towers too."
If you're betting on me believing that, you've lost your bet. I didn't vote for Bush and as for the attack on the World Trade Center buildings, I'd say the jury is still out about who ordered it. Again, what bearing would what a person believes about the WTC attack have on "intelligent water?"
"That's okay. You believe in that fairy tale and Americas most famous hoax and I'll believe that Dr. Emoto is right about water."
Again, your logic is flawed. How does someone else believing in what you think is false give you license to believe in what THEY think is false? Two wrongs don't make a right, after all.
Emoto's "theory" requires proof just as you would require of anyone who says that a handful of people planned and carried out the attack on the WTC. Pointing out what you think are the false beliefs of others on unrelated matters is NOT relevant to the concept of "intelligent water."
If you have any FACTS that prove Emoto's theories, we'd all be happy to hear about them.
I love this thread!
http://deanradin.blogspot.com/2006/10/effects-of-distant-intention-on-water.html
I was sceptical too but this is interesting. I would have been happier if the good Doctor had not been involved.Anyone got any other evidence of attempt to replication?
Wednesday, October 11, 2006
Effects of distant intention on water crystals
Some people, when faced with claims like Dr. Emoto's "intention affects the formation of water cystals," immediately dismiss it as nonsense. Others uncritically accept the claim because it sounds nice. My first reaction is to try to replicate the claim to see it for myself. I conducted such a test with Dr. Emoto, where he and his staff were kept blind as to which bottles of water had been treated. The paper reporting the experiment has just come out. Here's the abstract:
DOUBLE-BLIND TEST OF THE EFFECTS OF DISTANT INTENTION ON WATER CRYSTAL FORMATION
The hypothesis that water
I am trying to find some real thoughtful, scientific rebuttal to the theories put forward in "Messages from water". But however all I find here are childish, naff attempts at jokes on the subject. So besides the close minded people who have insulted the pursuit of new understanding about Quantum mechanics can someone please give me some intelligent evidence based rebuttal because I actually want to learn about the subject.
Remember guys the first people who thought the world was round were ridiculed and persecuted. So its ok to disagree just try to do it with some intelligence and class.
The fact is, there have been no successful studies showing the affects of 'positive' or 'negative' water, or of anyone who could tell the difference between the two.
Frankly, have you read his explanations? They don't make sense. He speaks of people's collective consciousness, yet we know of no such thing. He speaks of thinking positive thoughts to heal the planet and ourselves, yet doesn't explain how making water 'positive' would accomplish this. For that matter, what wounds would we be healing? Pollution? Deforestation? If every human on the planet suddenly dropped dead the planet would quickly take care of itself, without anybody around thinking good thoughts at the water. Water routinely became polluted and clean again for a billion years before people came along, why are we so special?
I'm well aware of how necessary it is to be open minded, but you have to filter things out based on evidence, sound reasoning, and our knowledge of how the universe operates. Nothing in physics can explain Emoto's claims, not even the much repeated (and abused) quantum mechanics. Until Emoto comes up with an internally consistant and rational explanation for the perceived affect we have to assume he's making it up.
Finally, I don't recall anyone ridiculing people who claimed the world was round. Science has known for over two millenia that the earth was a sphere, so I'm wondering where you got that idea from. Did you mean Galileo? Because nobody laughed at him either, they just tried to suppress him. And for every person science did laugh at who turned out to be right (there were a few), I can easily provide 10 examples where the person was wrong. So if anything your analogy shows that Emoto shouldn't be believed. At least not until he proves his case.
The visual association builds on generally human valuations about beautiful and ugly, ordered and disordered, etc. Recognize these valuations, and Emoto's claims explain more about human interaction with the world, than they do about the fundamental nature of the universe.
Moreover, the so-called polluted water is physically and, it seems here, conceptually unappealing to humans. What are considered pollutants to human tissue and bodily function may benefit human life through chemical applications. There are host of ways to reinterpret 'polluted' that seem to favour human life, so polluted water is in itself needs much clarification, rather than the aesthetic association that Emoto imposes.
and perhaps he's a science teacher, but he's a spiritual person. those things sort of go hand in hand if you think about it.
what more is science than a series of explanations to help us better understand the mystical world around us that we couldn't before?
i believe its possible for thoughts to affect water. and maybe not a piece of paper tied to the bottle but just the instance of thought it took to tape it there... you have to read it right?
and personally. I would try it myself. if i knew how. I actually ran across this website looking to ask him to conduct more studies.
and to you: Cranky Media Guy...
every organism on this earth has feeling, consciouness and thought process. we must all be able to commnicate with eachother and feel vibrations around us. We all have an electrical current running through our bodies that can tell the currents in others around us, and act accordingly to the magnetic pushes and pulls of the earth. these same energetic pathways have been used for at least 2000 years in acupuncture.
organisms need these abilities to survive and adapt. whose to say that water is not the same way?
I don't know why or want to know why you don't understand his explanations. if the water is healthy, our minds are healthy. sure... maybe the water is just prettier, but it's not the same difference between cake and salad. it's the difference between a lie and truth. they are of the same category but affect us in completely different ways.
if we find out this is true, what kind of possibilities can be uncovered. if this is true, who is going to demand that we recieve only the best water.. better yet. we can all make sure we have the best water. not with just positive thoughts. but with spiritual intentions. I mean it's water for christs sake. learning this is true should turn anyone to spirituality of some kind. that's like... the ultimate connection and communication with nature.
and with her speaking back.
and whoever it was that is skeptical about whether or not the water is truly healthier for you because the crystals are pretty or ugly.. it's not a matter of pretty because nothing but humans understand what pretty is. but we all (everything universally) understand perfect balance. we see that something is shining brighter than before and is perfectly balanced we note that it must have reason. but for it to be warped or malshaped... there must be something un natural about it. a divorce from nature, so to speak.
you guys should watch these movies.
Esoteric Agenda
and Kymatica.
"and to you: Cranky Media Guy...
every organism on this earth has feeling, consciouness and thought process."
Really? EVERY ORGANISM? That would include rocks, for example. You believe that rocks have a thought process?
"We all have an electrical current running through our bodies that can tell the currents in others around us, and act accordingly to the magnetic pushes and pulls of the earth."
Oh, really? Can you provide any proof of that? Just because something is fun or conforting to believe in, that does NOT mean that it is true.
"these same energetic pathways have been used for at least 2000 years in acupuncture."
Are you aware that when acupuncture needles have been put in the "wrong" places in actual scientific testing, the results were exactly the same as when they are put in the "right" places? That would tend to demonstrate that any benefit from acupuncture comes from the placebo effect.
"organisms need these abilities to survive and adapt. whose to say that water is not the same way?"
Well, who is to say that monkeys don't fly when no one is looking and when there are no cameras around? Saying "Who is to say [fill in the blank]" is not at all the same as PROVING that that particular thing actually happens. That's why SCIENCE tests things while PSEUDO-SCIENCE just makes a claim and expects people to believe in it.
I'm sure you sincerely believe the things you say, but your sincere belief is not a substitute for PROOF. For centuries, people sincerely believed the Earth was flat. It wasn't. They were just wrong.
and extremely sad individuals that aren't willing to accept the true power of love and appreciation..its obvious that you have vary sad lives..
They have been repeated over and over by lots of people and posted their videos.
I use the water.
My pets prefer it over regular tap water.
Can't brainwash pets.
I guess the skeptics are skeptical about Jesus Christ too.
The Jews called him a fraud too.
Prove that he is not.
prove that Dr. Emotto is a fraud too if you can.
By the way the word fraud is a new word isn't it.
Dont see it anywhere in any scripture or ancient writing of any kind.
They have been repeated over and over by lots of people and posted their videos."
As we all know, everything on YouTube (or the Internet in general) is exactly as it appears to be.
"I use the water."
So?
"My pets prefer it over regular tap water.
Can't brainwash pets."
So? I had a dog who liked to lick his genitals. I guess you'd say I should follow his example. After all, you can't brainwash pets.
"I guess the skeptics are skeptical about Jesus Christ too.
The Jews called him a fraud too.
Prove that he is not."
Ah, so we've dragged anti-Semitism into this irrelevantly, eh? You know, "they" also called Enron a fraud. I guess using your "logic," it must have been perfectly legit.
"prove that Dr. Emotto is a fraud too if you can."
See, here is how life works. If YOU make an extraordinary claim, then the burden of proof is on YOU.
"By the way the word fraud is a new word isn't it.
Dont see it anywhere in any scripture or ancient writing of any kind."
At the risk of sounding rude, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? To take you literally, no, the word "fraud" would NOT appear in ancient writings. Neither would the words "dog," "tree," "house," etc. I hope you can see why this would be the case.
Okok no no jokes.
But I had to, after this fool suggesting to proof Emote was wrong, while believing what he sees at Youtube.
If God would exist he might forgive you, as you have been fooled when young to believe 'everything written'.
Not because of walking on water or bringing water to higher energy levels in some form .. and at least people believing in these miracles. This is quite something.
Sending love to water does not hurt anybody. I consider to support people who send love to water.
It is lovely compared to sending oil into water and other nasty things many humans are indirectly responsibly for. Via stocks, mortgages, driving et cetera.
Yeah I am too indirectly responsible, for sending shit (hate?) into water.
I don't like it and want to change some things. But I rather hope we can all change - we can accept our different believes in prophets and water, 'even' respect it, as we want our neightbour to at the very least accept+ our own religion and believes, from God to Santa.
I hope its not just little groups, following unproved spiritual very touching movements of miracles, moving attention to love, but giant power companies like Shell and BP should move to sending love to water.
😉 and !!! :-D love and peace
"I am quite sure it's a false clame to suggest Jezus was the first fraud, so I don't suggest he was nor can proof it.
Okok no no jokes.
But I had to, after this fool suggesting to proof Emote was wrong, while believing what he sees at Youtube."
Harry, I was employing SARCASM when I said that everything on YouTube is true. I thought that was obvious from the context.
The fact that people mock someone for having that viewpoint speaks volumes!!
A person CAN extol a positive attitude without making scientifically unsupportable claims about H20.