At
RoyalChild.com Sarah and Brent Hinze investigate Prebirth Experiences. They define these as when
"a parent, sibling, aunt, uncle, or grandparent, etc., receives communication from a child before she is born, or in many cases, before he was even conceived." I hadn't heard of this particular variety of psychic (or spiritual) phenomenon before. It seems like a strange offshoot of past-life communication... except that instead of talking with people who once existed, you're communicating with people who are waiting to exist in the future. My question is: what if a 'parent' communicates with their child-to-be, but then they end up never having a child. Who, then, were they chatting with? Would the Hintzes define this as an imposter pre-birth experience? (via
Holy Weblog)
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OR you do "readings" on aborted fetuses for the relatives of the woman who oppose abortion. You feel them a big load of crap about how the fetus WAS going to become a rich mogul or President or some other twaddle and thereby confirm their anti-abortion sentiments. It's golden (and bulletproof)!
If you "communicate" with your child-to-be, and then use a condom, is that tantamount to abortion? Of course, this would solve the abortion debate once and for all: maybe your baby is actually a person with hopes, dreams, etc--but then again, you can know for sure that your child's dreams will only reach as far as smokin pot in his garage apartment (over your garage, of course) on his 30th birthday. This will assure that only the smart fetuses, the ones capable of becoming "responsible adults," will be born.
There is so much more to this life and this world than what our five senses tell us. Those who focus only on the physical things and miss the spiritual altogether miss out on the most enriching and fulfilling part of life.
Prebirth Experiences are real. Thousands of people have had them. And I guess there will always be those who scorn and laugh and think they are hilarious when they joke about other people's transformative experiences. But it doesn't change the reality of those experiences to those who are open to believe in the possibility of more than the physical.
"Well, skeptics abound everywhere. Having had several prebirth experiences with my children before they were born, and with most of them years before they were ever conceived, I know these are for real."
I'm fascinated. How, pray tell, did you "communicate" with something that DIDN'T EXIST YET? What energy did these non-existant beings utilize to communicate with you?
At the site you mention and which I've explored extensively, there is no attempt by anyone to bilke people out of money in order to psychically communicate with their unborn children."
So what? The absence of a profit motive in no way "proves" the truth of the claims made.
Gimme a break. If you'll bother to look at it closely, every single experience put up on the site has the distinguising characteristic of being spontaneous, comforting, and uplifting. Hello, what is so bad about something that is so positive? What are you so afraid of, that you have to condemn just because you don't understand?"
Ah, it's the old "you must be afraid" argument. How about we don't believe in this nonsense because it doesn't make any sense? Isn't THAT a possibility?
Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy? If not, why not? After all, aren't they "uplifting" and don't those beings allegedly do kind things for humans without a profit motive? Gee, they MUST be real then, right?
Please don't tell me there's no proof of the existance of Sants; I've seen him many times at the mall with my own eyes. I've seen the presents under the tree on Christmas. In fact, there's FAR more evidence for the existance of Santa than there is for the existance of "pre-birth communication."
When a difference of opinion is based on fundamental belief differences, there can never be agreement. You will never agree with me -- unless such an experience happened to you. At the same time there is the possibility that, because you at your core do not accept that such spiritual experiences happen to people, you would talk yourself right out of belief of any spiritual experience you might have. So, we are at a standstill.
You have no evidence that disproves my witness and testimony that I have indeed seen three of my children years before they were conceived, wrote about the experience in my journal that same year, and what I saw came to pass within the next five years. You have no evidence that disproves the truth of the accounts at royalchild.com or the IANDS site, or any other site.
You made a claim here that prebirth experiences were a hoax. That they aren't real because it doesn't make sense. Have you no more evidence than your own opinion, your own lack of belief, to back up your claim that spiritual experiences such as PBEs are not really happening? Because according to the latest study about spiritual experiences in America, approximately 150 million people claim otherwise. http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/05/121305.norc.pdf
I'm more likely to believe the overwhelming numbers of people who bear witness of the spiritual than I am one skeptic.
Kathy
You asked, What energy did they use to communicate with me? What a silly question -- no offense. How would I know what energy they used? Some eternal one governed by eternal laws I imagine. I didn't claim to know HOW I experienced what I experienced. I only said that it happened, that I have had prebirth experiences.
You say it doesn't make sense. I say it makes perfect sense that we are eternal beings having a brief mortal experience. That is my fundamental belief, and so it makes total sense to me that we can at times experience that spiritual realm from which we came; that the door to that eternal place we came from and go home to is not closed to us all the time.
I accept wholeheartedly that this is anathema to you. That's fine. No skin off my nose. What I refute is your claim of absolute truth simply because you think it isn't possible. With God nothing is impossible. Of course, we probably disagree that God even exists. Whatever. You have no evidence either way. I have my experiences and the witnesses of hundreds, even thousands, and if that study I mentioned is even remotely correct, millions worldwide on my side.
Enjoy your skepticism. I will enjoy my personal knowledge of the spiritual, and we can both be happy in our beliefs. I appreciate that you give people a chance to respond and tell the other side here. That's pretty cool.
Kathy
"I forgot a couple of things. First, you asked what energy they used to communicate with me because they don't exist."
Well, it's a perfectly fair thing to ask of a person who asserts the existance of something for which there appears to be no evidence, isn't it? Your entire "argument" seems to be try to get we skeptics to prove that something doesn't exist. Sorry, that dog won't hunt. If you say it exists, the burden of proof is on YOU.
"It is, again, only your opinion that they don't exist spiritually before they exist physically."
I refer you to my previous paragraph. YOU need to prove that what YOU claim exists actually does.
"What besides your own opinion that it doesn't make sense do you have to disprove the purported hundreds of accounts Hinze has documented? Have you ever interviewed her? Listened to her speak? Asked to see her files? Interview the people who claim such experiences? What makes your opinion more valid than hers?"
My "opinion" is that things for which no evidence exists probably do not exist. I said "probably" meaning that if you can't demonstrate to me that they DO exist, using actual FACTS, I will update my opinion of them, as logic demands.
"You asked, What energy did they use to communicate with me? What a silly question -- no offense. How would I know what energy they used?"
Um, do you REALLY think it's a silly question, given that YOU are the one who is saying that they exist, despite an apparant absence of any evidence? So, basically, you're saying that you "know" these beings exist although you're at a total loss to explain how that is possible given that--by your admission--they haven't even been conceived yet. Then you get pissy when someone asks what energy such a being could possibly use to "comminicate?" Interesting.
"Some eternal one governed by eternal laws I imagine."
Yes, you're right in that you're imagining ALL of this.
"I didn't claim to know HOW I experienced what I experienced. I only said that it happened, that I have had prebirth experiences."
I probably should have asked you earlier, but what exactly is a "prebirth experience" anyway?
"You say it doesn't make sense. I say it makes perfect sense that we are eternal beings having a brief mortal experience."
You have every right to believe that, but you have ZERO right to expect that others won't challenge you about it, since you have NO evidence whatsover that any of what you are proposing can exist. The sincerity or depth of your belief DOES NOT constitute proof of anything.
"That is my fundamental belief, and so it makes total sense to me that we can at times experience that spiritual realm from which we came; that the door to that eternal place we came from and go home to is not closed to us all the time."
Again, your belief proves nothing at all. The fact that something "makes sense" to you proves NOTHING.
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"What I refute is your claim of absolute truth simply because you think it isn't possible."
I have made no such claim at all. What I have done is to ask you to prove any of what you claim is true. You have admitted that you cannot provide such proof. Therefore I submit that your belief is most likely NOT true.
You offer anecdotal evidence of something you haven't even defined here. I've read books by people who claim to have been abducted by aliens and taken to other planets. I guess I have to accept those claims uncritically, too, right? After all, they've given me the same "proof" as you have--nothing other than anecdotes.
"With God nothing is impossible. Of course, we probably disagree that God even exists. Whatever. You have no evidence either way."
You are correct; I do not believe in God. Again, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. Sorry, but that's just how things work.
"I have my experiences and the witnesses of hundreds, even thousands, and if that study I mentioned is even remotely correct, millions worldwide on my side."
Once upon a time, the majority of people on Earth believed that their planet was flat. The number of people who believe in something does NOT constitute proof that what they believe is correct. If I could produce a poll that said that more people do NOT believe in pre-birth communication, would you immediately conclude that they must be right? That, of course, would be consistent with your apparant belief that the fact that a lot of people believe in something proves that it's correct.
"Enjoy your skepticism. I will enjoy my personal knowledge of the spiritual, and we can both be happy in our beliefs. I appreciate that you give people a chance to respond and tell the other side here. That's pretty cool."
Oh, I'm sure that you will continue to enjoy your belief in the fantastic and unsubstantiatable. I will continue to insist on FACTS before I decide to invest myself emotionally in something.
I agree with you that this is a cool site. I've had the absolutely BEST debates I've ever had here and that's terrific.
The apostles in Jesus' day struggled with the same thing you are -- Here was Mary Magdalene telling them that she had seen the risen Jesus, physically seen him with her own eyes, but the apostles all thought she was crazy, that such thing was impossible and she was likely deranged with grief. Until Jesus appeared to 11 of them in the upper room and they all went forward one by one to actually touch and feel and see the wounds in his hands and feet, and they saw him eat with them. Thomas later was given the same opportunity and became the 12th witness that Jesus had in very fact rose from the dead as had been prophesied.
They couldn't explain by what power it had happened, by what energy or laws such a thing could happen, but they could not deny the evidence of their eyes and ears and fingers. Jesus, whom they knew to be dead, was dead no longer. From then on they bore their witness of the risen Christ, and never denied their sure knowledge and witness of him, and were each -- apparently except for John -- martyred, most in pretty gruesome ways, for that witness.
It was more than belief, more than faith. They had solid proof presented to them, and they bore witness of that fact. Later, Saul of Tarsus also bore testimony that he had seen a light, and Christ was in that light and spoke to him, and from that day forward Paul also never denied his sure knowledge and witness, and was killed for it. They could no more prove their witness than I can.
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Why, also, cannot three witnesses, or twelve, or a thousand or a 150 million witnesses to spiritual experiences, PBEs among them, be sufficient proof of the existence of a spirit[ual] realm? At the very least proof of the possibility. Enough to cast doubt on the prosecution's claims. If it's proof in a court of law, then reason demands those witnesses to at least be considered by the jury. Twelve witnesses, or thirteen if Paul is added in, is a pretty substantial number, or would be in a court of law.
Forget my experience for the moment -- just take all the ones that are published at royalchild.com, light-hearts.com, and some other places, as well as those in the books that have been published on this subject. Taken all together, it's well over a hundred accounts, witnesses, of some form of experience with the dimension/realm/world of the pre-mortal. If that's not proof enough for you, oh well. Again, no skin off my nose. I'm not really trying to prove anything, anyway. I can't give you physical proof. Only eye-witnesses. I happened upon this thread at your site, and being aware that PBEs and other transforming spiritual experiencing are happening to people all over the world, it seemed to me that your readers deserved to hear the other side of the story, and consider the possibilities for themselves.
Yes, I think asking my by what energy this vision happened is silly. I wasn't being "pissy" (LOL), I was amused and thought it was a bizarre thing to focus on. Looking back at what you wrote, I can see that it wasn't by what power it happened that you were being sarcastic about, but my assumption that our children exist somewhere before birth or conception.
For me this is a moot point. There are hundreds of witnesses of people all around the world who have stated that they have in fact experienced communication of one kind or another with or regarding their yet-to-be-born children. It begs the question, are all these people crazy? Or are they normal people who have had an extraordinary experience that they can no more explain by what power it came than I can?
And I do like a good debate :-D, though I don't think I'm very good at it. Definitely fun, though.
Kathy
Asking what energy a not-yet-conceived being could possibly be using to communicate with you is not a frivolous question at all. It goes to the heart of the problem with your assertion. Every action requires some form of energy; there is no "free lunch" so to speak in this universe, as far as we know.
Again you trot out the notion that since a lot of people believe in pre-birth communication, it must be true. I addressed that when I pointed out that for centuries, most people thought that the Earth was flat. Was it flat but suddenly became round when a majority decided that it WAS round? Also for centuries, people believed that epileptics were "demon possessed." I trust that you realize that epilepsy is a physical condition. Belief has NOTHING whatsoever to do with reality. Things either are or aren't.
Many people believe they have been abducted by aliens. Well, I guess, according to you, they must have been despite any actual PROOF.
Are you starting to see the problem yet?
"If it's proof in a court of law, then reason demands those witnesses to at least be considered by the jury. Twelve witnesses, or thirteen if Paul is added in, is a pretty substantial number, or would be in a court of law."
There's at least one problem with your analogy. Courts rarely have to deal with claims which defy the known laws of physics. There is no doubt that a person can kill another person, for example. What is in doubt is whether the person accused of the crime is guilty. That's very different from deciding whether a person can fly under his own power, to pick one example of an extraordinary claim.
Also, you may not be aware that juries are often told that the number of people on one side of a case versus the number of people on the other side shouldn't be considered proof of anything.
By asking for proof of extraordinary claims, we ARE considering them, not dismissing them out of hand. We're saying, "If you can prove your claim under controlled conditions, we will accept it as truth." Isn't that perfectly reasonable?
I am writing on and researching the Pre-birth concept, so I discovered this site. Okay, I am not American so maybe I just don't get the repetitious argument with words and representations like: proof, belief, disbelief, probably, and in my opinion. Oh
I know it was not my imagination, as it was like an out of body experience. My children look exactly the same now as they appeared in my dreams.
I say dont knock something if you have not experienced it.
"All i can say on the matter is that i am a normal women who is not a devoted catholic, yet i have dreamt my children, either while pregnant with them or before they were concieved."
Unfortunately, Paula, your subjective experience doesn't really prove anything. First, we don't know that you actually DID dream that your children would look exactly as it turned out they did. The mind is a funny thing; it's possible that you "redacted" the appearance of the children in your dream.
Also, isn't it reasonable to assume that your children either resemble you or their father or a combination of the two of you? That would be typical, so it would hardly be amazing that you would picture them that way. Also, at exactly what age were they when you decided that they "looked exactly like" what you had dreamed? Children's appearances DO change over time, after all.
"I know it was not my imagination, as it was like an out of body experience."
So, how does that "prove" that it wasn't your imagination? Isn't it at least possible that an "out-of-body experience" could be imagined?
"I say dont knock something if you have not experienced it."
I'm not "knocking" anything. I'm asking questions about something which appears to violate the known laws of physics.
"I don't know how to percieve the experience I have had, is it a past life, all I know is I am not meant to remember, but I was and still am determined to remember."
What does "not meant to remember" mean? Are you saying that someone or something is deliberately trying to keep you from remembering something that happened before you were born?
The biggest objection to a "pre-birth memory" is that humans have no organ or faculty that is able to record memories at that stage. To the best of our knowledge, it simply isn't any more possible to record something at that point than it would be to walk.
"there is much more to this life than physical matter"
Well, yes, that's true, but no one really disputes that. The question is WHAT non-physical things exist. Memories and feelings, for example, aren't "physical," but there's no question of their existance. That, however, does NOT prove that any specific memory is an actually recollection of a real event.
It was nOT my dream it was real and YES i think i am special because this is not a trick this was REAL.
Or does anyone know how to call THAT?
"It was nOT my dream it was real and YES i think i am special because this is not a trick this was REAL."
Al, your belief in something, no matter how sincere it may be, is NOT proof that it is real.
For centuries, many people sincerely believed that the Earth was flat. They were simply wrong, despite their sincere belief.
2. It was my first memory... i remember it so clearly... what should i do anyway? Nobody belive me...
At the first time i saw my parents i thought : I hate you all. And who are you? (I mean my parents)
I mean... hey it was no dream. I said to myself : This is not a dream . I will never forget this. I remember as i taked my first steps... i remember beeing in the thing where little kids are... i remember running away from home because i hated my family so much. I did not trust anyone!
I am a microbiologist, chemist, and a physician (clinical pathologist) and have more than 10 years of post-college education, and publish articles in peer reviewed journals, and understand the scientific method. However, I also have a pre-birth memories, and only recently found, using the internet, that my memories are very similar to others'experiences and also to many near-death experiences. Specifically, I remember, in 3 dimensions, being a spirit, wanting to see God, seeing Jesus, and then having my life "preview" displayed on large TV-like screens. I was then told my memory would be erased (but I resisted), and then was placed inside of my fetal body in my moher's womb. Using the internet, I have discovered that this same sequence is experienced by others. My memory is not due to something that I read on the web, because the public web didn't exist in 1970, etc. I do not remember choosing my parents, but many people supposedly do. The erasure of memory is called by some - the placing of the "veil of forgetfullness." This is done in heaven so you get more out of life, and learn its lessons, but don't have your spiritual prebirth memories to help you out. If you visit the site nde.com (near death experiences), you will find similar stories to mine, except when these people almost died, some went to heaven and saw a life "review" (and not a preview like I did). Nonetheless, on this website, for example, the life review is often displayed on large holographic TV-screens, where you can pause each point in time in your life and discuss it with other spiritual beings. This also happened to me before birth. I remember it - just like I remember being in 1st grade. I also remember communicating telepathically with angle guides/spirits, and god, and this is also a common thread in near death experiences stories. While scientifically, when dying, brain anoxia may produce a "tunnel" that people remember going through, - my pre-birth memories are entirely different. My memories are composed of visual images, and conversations, and my feelings involved. While it is clear that human evolution has occurred, your spirit does inhabit your primate body. Life is a test and an environment to make you grow spiritually, and learn to love others unconditionally - so you can be closer to, and be more like God. No one can prove scientifically that god exists. But I know he does - because I met him. And he (Jesus) told me "Go forth my son, I will be with you." And he has been here on earth. What is it like to be around him? It is pure unconditional love, and you never want to leave his light and presence. But I did - I didn't have a choice - I had to be born, and so did everyone else hear on earth. You do get to see the planet earth before you are born.
While I haven't done a statistical analysis, I cannot believe that it is pure chance that so many things that I specifically remember (pre-birth) - are also remembered by others with either pre-birth memories, or by those with near death experiences. What is the explantion for that?
I've remembered my memories since I was 11 years old, in 1975, and at the time, they appeared to be a dream. Now I recognize that it was me being able to remember things pre-birth. Using the internet, I found that it is not uncommon for children to start to remember pre-birth memories, as they get older, at an age when they can underdstand it. So I really don't think it is a hoax, but it is an area that needs to be investigated. More websites need exist - so people can talk about their pre-birth memories. It is certainly not a topic you feel comfortable talking about on the street, but this messsage is my first attempt to tell others about my experiences publicly. Thanks for listening.
"I am a microbiologist, chemist, and a physician (clinical pathologist) and have more than 10 years of post-college education, and publish articles in peer reviewed journals, and understand the scientific method. However, I also have a pre-birth memories, and only recently found, using the internet, that my memories are very similar to others'experiences and also to many near-death experiences. Specifically, I remember, in 3 dimensions, being a spirit, wanting to see God, seeing Jesus, and then having my life "preview" displayed on large TV-like screens. I was then told my memory would be erased (but I resisted), and then was placed inside of my fetal body in my moher's womb."
Are you SERIOUS?
OK, you were not yet born, right? Exactly what sensory organ(s) were you using to have these perceptions with?
If you saw your life previewed--on "large TV-like screens" no less--then you know what's going to happen to you. You should be able to avoid unpleasant experience, like accidents, right? Are you claiming to be able to do that? If not, why not?
Who told you that your memory would be erased and how did you manage to avoid this, since, presumably, the person, spirit or whatever that told it to you would have the power to make it happen.
With all the education you claim to have, have you not done even rudimentary research into "near-death experiences"? If you had, you would have found out that we now know that that sort of thing can be triggered by stimulating parts of the brain electrically. People who have had that done to them report the exact same kind of experiences that those who have had spontaneous NDE's report.
While that doesn't PROVE that NO NDE's are "spiritual," it does strongly suggest that they are merely a physical brain phenomenon.
also to people that are like "i dont believe in god because you cant prove it to me, and the burden of proof is on you" no, the burden of proof is on god and as in the first paragraph i stated, if god has no interest in you knowing of his existence nothing anyone can say or do will convince you, so just live your lives and let other people live theirs.
Exactly how did I "flame" anyone?
All I've done is ask reasonable questions.
One of the main ones I've asked is what sensory organs are used in these alleged pre-birth experiences. You DO realize that, in most cases, the human body is not fully formed until just prior to birth, yes?
Sorry that my merely asking some simple questions seems to upset you so.
Could that possibly be because you can't answer them?
Sorry for my previous spelling typos.
To answer your questions:
Are you SERIOUS? Yes.
OK, you were not yet born, right? Exactly what sensory organ(s) were you using to have these perceptions with? There were no organs, and I had no body that I could remember or detect. Close your eyes, put earplugs on, and blinders on, and you will still "perceive" yourself - without any sensory input. I could still see, and I communicated telepathically.
If you saw your life previewed--on "large TV-like screens" no less--then you know what's going to happen to you. You should be able to avoid unpleasant experience, like accidents, right?
No. Some of my memories are "foggy" (both visually, and via recall), but I do remember some scenes on the TVs. I specifially did not want to look at my death - i.e. how I was going to die.
Are you claiming to be able to do that? If not, why not? No. See explation above. I can honestly tell you that I have met, in this life, someone I saw on the "TV" screen, when I was 19 years old - note my prebirth memories started coming back at age 11.
Who told you that your memory would be erased and how did you manage to avoid this, since, presumably, the person, spirit or whatever that told it to you would have the power to make it happen. Right before I went into a dark tunnel to be born, I was "speaking" to a being. I remembered this event recently after thinking about the words "veil of forgetfullness" that are posted on the web. I remember having a telepathic conversation (they all were), and that I was told that I wouldn't remeber anything, but I thought to myself, "oh yes, I am going to remember and not forget this." I think the being was putting something over me - as this scene occurred. Guess my plan worked!
I haven't had time to research what I remember from a scientific standpoint, but no doubt, I've heard about out of body experiences occurring after eletrical stimulation of the brain. But my memories are persistent, and I remember them sequentially. I was called forth, I had no body, I spoke with 3 beings, then Jesus, then I went to a different area with the "TV" screens, saw my life preview (and by the way I just learned what to call it from the web - i.e. a "life preview"). I communicated telepathically - the beings weren't tlaking, but they were communicating with me - you may not understand what that felt like this until you experience it! And seeing from above earth - I was afraid to be born, and thought "I certainly don't want to go to that place!" Could you blame me?
I think the theory of evolution is fact, and understand that skepticism and impartiality can assist the scientific method - but my memories are simply just that. You telling me I didn't remember the events I describe is like me telling you that you don't remember who your parents are. (hopefully you do). Nonetheless, thank goodness for the Cranky Media Guy - there is nothing wrong with anyone being skeptical.
Finally, I always remembered traveling down a dark tunnel before being placed into my fetal body. I only recently recalled the conversation with the being about "forgeting everything." And that is my point, I'm recalling a past event, and with further reflection, I can remember further detail - but the "framework" of the memory stays constant. I just pulled up the webiste using google tonight, and it is the first time I've ever seen it. The story in this link is very similar to mine. How can others share my experiences? Yes, I was also able to float outside of my fetal body at times, too. From what I have read on the web, it takes a while to meld the spirit and physical body together.
http://www.beyondreligion.com/su_personal/pbes-heaven.htm
One of the fascinating things I learned while working there is that the White House is a magnet for "crazy" people from all over America who come there, convinced that they have to tell the President something.
I knew not one but two people who were convinced they were the Second Coming of Christ. I also knew a very nice man who absolutely believed that the government had put a "chip" inside his head which forced him to hear the thoughts of everyone around him. Another man I knew was absolutely sure that he was being spied on by the CIA and the Post Office.
Each of these people was completely certain of what they believed and no logical argument nor fact could dissuade them of it.
My point here is that certainty is not the same as certitude. A person can be absolutely sure of something which simply is not true.
It's not your certainty which is in question, it's your veracity.
I have no doubt you believe you "saw" ephemeral beings who communicated with you telepathically and so forth. In the absence of any facts to back that up, however, there's no reason to accept what you say as real.
Sorry again for my typos.
First, I am a scientist, and skeptic, and completely understand a person being an atheist.
You aren't talking to an intelegent design specialist or creationist here. I hardly wish to go to the White House, to see the president, unless I give him a devine message i.e., to "get out - you have already done enough damage to the country." (ha ha)
What I can truthfully tell you is that I had the memories /dreams when I was 11 years old. I only told my grandmother about them in 1986, becasue I was too embarressed, and thought no one would believe me. Only since searching on the internet and typing in the words "remembering before you were born" into Google, did I discover that there were others like me with a similar "universal dream or memory" Now you are probably too young to remember Dark Shadows", but there was a "dream curse, and universal dream. How does that happen? Brain anoxia doesn't explain all of the similar details.
Also, not everyone's pre-birth memories are the same. I did not see streets of gold, or magnificent buildings in heaven, as some claim to have experienced (search the web for their stories). Most of the areas that I remember were dark. However, when I've read similar stories, I can tell I was in the same place that others were.
(very freaky ..!)
Here is the correct website for you to visit: http://www.near-death.com (not nde.com). In it the web host writes:
At some point millions of years ago, souls descended upon these ape-men and began influencing [them] to come down out of the trees and eventually form societies. Then souls began inhabiting the bodies of these ape-men. Thus, the dawn of humanity arose on this planet.
I am impressed by this website, and it is hardly traditional christianity. I was finally able to meld what I remember plus religion and science. The website contains so many stories similar to mine too, but the are NDEs. Very difficlut to explain by shear coincidence ..
So, in summary, I'm just making you aware that some sane people do have these memories, and they are full of detail, much more than dreaming that you are able to fly, for example ...
Finally, I simply point you to someone who wrote on this website 2 years ago (see message above), who I do not even know. They wrote:
"When a person makes a claim about pre birth existance they do so in the hope that someone out there will understand and hopefully come across someone that can reassure them that they are not "Going Crazy" ... I thought I would come online and do a bit of research on what I myself feel I have experienced ...I don't know how to percieve the experience I have had, is it a past life, all I know is I am not meant to remember, but I was and still am determined to remember. there is much more to this life than physical matter
Posted by Gen in Australia on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 05:05 AM
Gee - this person, who lives a continent away from me, was "not meant to remember?" Also they write "I was (and still am) determined to remember"
Sounds just a little bit like my experience???
I think this guy is onto something ...
http://www.near-death.com/about.html
Thanks ...
In the above link he talks about the ape men and souls, and how he intergated Christianity with NDE research findings, etc., and obviously evolution...
The truth is out there - and there is nothing wrong with trying to find it ...
For much of the nine-month gestation period humans experience, the organs are not fully formed. As far as science can determined, the "pre-born" cannot form or retain memories of anything.
When you get into "pre-birth memory," you're veering into Scientology Territory. Check into the wacky Scientology concept of the "engram" sometime if you're so inclined.
No, there's absolutely nothing wrong with looking for Truth, but that doesn't mean that you should adopt any old theory that presents itself.
Please add it. >_< It would be very nice from you! Pleaaase! Because if you do not i feel like you would spott about us.
I have some questions for you.
What was the first pre-birth memory that you remember? Where were you pre-birth? Did you have a body? Was it light or dark around you? Did you communicate with anyone? Was anyone next to you?
Please write as much as you can about what you remember.
Thank you,
Chris
I think i have seen one person. Only one. It did not said anything. I just had a feeling i have to choose now. I had to choose my life. I have 2 lives where i could choose from. One male, one female. I choose female but i did not know why, i just did it. i knowed i would have a fucked up live so gender does not matter. I saw something like this
but more darker. I looked at it and i saw it somehow... i think i saw something like fog. But it was not fog. DUnno what IT was. i was so angry as i choosed. and i feelt sad (I dunno how to say it... i feel beeing sad in my back, but did not know back then what feeling sad mean. The next was i was in the hospital... some woman has wash me... then someone used this Scissor. I was so scared! I did not cry like other babies! I know it! i asked my mother if this is true and she sad: As you was newborn, you did not cry. THe people were very worried. But i did not feel like need to be cry.
But as i saw my parents the first time i thought: ???? some very very bad feeling. I know now it was anger. I hate humans till now. I wish i would be alone all the time. I can not befriend with people. I have problems now because i do not know if you people are real. I can not trust someone of you! Its a very hard life.
i tell more next time but now i have to stop because i have to prepare school for today.