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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 | 01:54 PM
"One question for your reply Cranky...Have you tried it???? Y or N????"
Well, Dixie, I have a question for YOU. Have you ever tried leaping off the roof of a tall building to see if you can fly? Well, have you?
Now I know that many people will tell you that human beings cannot fly under their own power, but how do you really know unless you try?
After all, they also say that Santa Claus can't possibly fly around the world in a single night, but can milions of children who believe in him be wrong? Answer me that!
So, my question to you is: Have you tried flying under your own power by leaping off a tall building? Yes or No. |
Greg
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 | 02:06 PM
Jump off a building to see if you can fly.....compared to a chain letter.
Your entries are getting to sound very intelligent.
Yea right.
You've got to be kidding me.
The Santa comparison is a gem. |
Legal Eagle
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 | 06:23 PM
Cranky:
I've received the same letter in the mail. I am an attorney. I've read your comments. YOU ARE CORRECT - chain letters ARE illegal. The question becomes, is THIS particular letter a "chain letter?" I would say yes. Thus, you won't find me sending out any of these letters. However, the specific language used COULD make the letter a "non-chain letter." In the legal community, we call this a "question of fact." Questions of fact are resolved by fact-finders (the Judge in a bench trial, and the Jury in a jury trial). I'm not sure if the question regarding the contents of this specific letter has already been resolved under existing case law (ie state or federal prosecutions most likely), but this is where I would begin. If it has been resolved, you will be able to state with certainty whether or not this specific letter is, "by law," a chain letter, and thus ILLEGAL. Let me know what you find!!! |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 | 01:05 AM
Well, Legal Eagle, let me ask you a simple question. How does this chain letter differ from the many which have been found to be illegal in the past?
I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me to have all the elements that make a classic chain letter. I've seen several in the past and read books with chapters on chain letters and as far as I can see, this one is pretty typical. |
Legal Eagle
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 | 02:14 PM
Cranky:
I agree; I don't see a difference. I do think it is a chain letter. However, as I said, this would be a question of fact, and would require a prosecution related to this PARTICULAR letter in resolving the question of illegality. I will say this, I would not want to be the individual who found out the hard way by setting a precedent regarding this particular letter. Even if the letter was found NOT to be a "chain letter," and thus illegal, it would be quite horrible to find yourself on the wrong end of a federal prosecution.
In other words:
Chain Letters are illegal, and there are elements that establish the requirements of Chain Letter classification. However, without formal adjudication, we can only speculate on the illegality of this particular letter. My speculation, as I mentioned, is that it IS illegal. Without knowledge of precedent set by a court reviewing the illegality of this particular letter, we don't know FOR SURE. |
Legal Eagle
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 | 02:18 PM
Oops - 3rd sentence should say "legal" rather than "illegal." |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 | 01:10 AM
Yes, Legal Eagle, I agree with you. I'm not a lawyer, but this looks exactly like every chain letter I've ever seen. No, I would not want to be the originator of this thing, as it is NOT fun to be on the wrong side of a Federal indictment.
That whole "People of the United States vs. [your name here]" thing is very intimidating. |
Dixie
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 | 03:29 PM
Cranky Cranky.....so unbelieving...I am sorry but you have not answered the Y or N question I gave you....HAVE YOU TRIED IT?????y OR N I dont need a smart response just a yes or no...and as for flying..I havent knocked it or tried it..this letter--you are knocking it so...Have you tried it??????? |
Dixie
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 | 03:31 PM
Cranky and Legal Eagle are the same person..... |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 | 06:43 PM
Nice try, Dixie, but no. Your psychic powers are lacking. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 | 06:44 PM
Dixie, have you TRIED jumping off the roof to see if you can fly? If not, how can you possibly say that it doesn't work?
As for your question, I don't do things I believe are against the law. |
Dixie
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 | 09:31 AM
Cranky said "Dixie, have you TRIED jumping off the roof to see if you can fly? If not, how can you possibly say that it doesn't work?
As for your question, I don't do things I believe are against the law."
Im not the one knocking it..I dont know if I could fly or not but I wouldnt be telling people that they cant unless I had tried..See thats the problem with people who draw conclusions from thier minds that aren't based on facts...they discourage others due to thier own fear of failure. Do you really know that this cant work even though you haven't tried it??? How say you?? If your going to tell other people that it is illegal and cant work based on your own assumptions then you are knocking it without trying it and you are only clouding the oppertunity for others to succeed by filling them with your own doubt...Do you understand????? You must admit that this is uncharted territory for you bieng as you dont have first hand expierience in the matter...you are not an expert and definately not a "legal eagle"...Just a guy that doesnt want others to prove you wrong in your own theories so you try to create enough doubt and fear that no one will try...misery loves company..unless you have facts then you are just a wannabe theologist...Truth. |
Dixie
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 | 09:36 AM
Oh yea....Y or N is still the only response Im looking for. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 | 01:38 PM
Dixie said:
"I dont know if I could fly or not but I wouldnt be telling people that they cant unless I had tried."
Wow. Just wow.
I'm not sure there's any point in continuing to discuss anything with you after reading that. |
Dixie
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 | 02:45 PM
Thats called bieng put in your place... |
Dixie
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 | 02:48 PM
I guess I could if I had a hang Glider on my back but thats not the point the point is------Im not the one knocking it..I dont know if I could fly or not but I wouldnt be telling people that they cant unless I had tried..See thats the problem with people who draw conclusions from thier minds that aren't based on facts...they discourage others due to thier own fear of failure. Do you really know that this cant work even though you haven't tried it??? How say you?? If your going to tell other people that it is illegal and cant work based on your own assumptions then you are knocking it without trying it and you are only clouding the oppertunity for others to succeed by filling them with your own doubt...Do you understand????? You must admit that this is uncharted territory for you bieng as you dont have first hand expierience in the matter...you are not an expert and definately not a "legal eagle"...Just a guy that doesnt want others to prove you wrong in your own theories so you try to create enough doubt and fear that no one will try...misery loves company..unless you have facts then you are just a wannabe theologist...Truth. |
Tracedog
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 | 04:43 PM
Dixie in Liverpool:
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ScoT
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 | 05:07 PM
Just finishing reading some of this stuff. I just received this letter for the first time two days ago. I did a little research because I really wanted to do it and didn't really think id get a whole bunch of money. Common sense took hold and I wanted to look up some info on this stuff. This thread is entertaining and its amazing how long its gone on. I believe that it is illegal but left to judgement of official as whether it is worth pursuing. What I will say though is for all the conversation I really have not seen anyone who made money! A few possible claims, but over all if this had a 50% success rate then we would se more return writers to this forum telling us what they won. Even if I did not care that this was illegal, the lack of positive responses makes me scratch my head. The one earlier who claimed to receive 400k+ i think is full of it. The one claiming around 3000$ is possible and more likely if this did work. Overall were are all the success stories? Just a thought. |
Tracedog
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 | 05:29 PM
ScoT, in Washington DC:
I got into this monkey business the same way you did. The truth about the chain letter, legal or not (it's illegal evidently) is that it is all rubbish. There is no "Retired Attorney" There is no 400K or 100k or even 50k, or even 20K. Its not possible - as in "due to the laws of physics". I keep asking on this forum for ANYBODY to come forth with their story of success however small. The truth is, there is no success because it's a scam. Forget about recieving any serious cash. You're better off with lotto. Anyway, Cranky is more versed with the facts, and he will be along to explain better than I can. I'm just throwing in my two cents because I happen to be on-line at the moment and your message popped up. |
Tracedog
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 | 05:40 PM
My guess is that with the economy of the US imploding right before out eyes, we're going to start seeing a lot more of this chain letter and variations of it. If this (chain mail) is all that comes of the situation then I say we're home free. But things are just beginning, and I dont like what I see on the road up ahead. Chain mail is going to be the least of our problems. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 | 12:32 AM
Dixie said:
"Do you really know that this cant work even though you haven't tried it???"
I know it in exactly the same way that I know I can't fly under my own power. I know it can't work because--as has been patiently explained several times already in this thread--it is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A CHAIN LETTER TO MAKE MONEY FOR ALL PARTICIPANTS. |
CRANKY MEDIA GUY
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 | 12:36 AM
Tracedog said:
"But things are just beginning, and I dont like what I see on the road up ahead. Chain mail is going to be the least of our problems."
Amen. While chain letters are illegal and steal money from people, I agree that worse things are looming ahead.
There's a reason that Sharper Image is in bankruptcy, Starbucks is "retooling" and Victoria's Secret is flailing around, trying to come up with a new corporate image. 2008 isn't a good time to be in a business that requires people to have discretionary money to spend. |
Dixie
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 | 09:09 AM
I am not nor was I ever ME in KY!!! That was an actual post from god knows who....And for Cranky..It may be impossible for everyone to make money but if we follow the directions of me in KY then all the money sent comes straight to the sender...Im not saying this is ethical but there would have to be some rate of return...And when using a mathematical equation then... it would work.. if we didnt take into account the people who wouldnt respond to the letter.
Tracedog--I had copied and reposted me in KY's post to show that there had been a success story...Cranky--I cant fly, I tried it last night.. |
Tracedog
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 | 10:37 AM
My appologies Dix. I can't fly either. But based on your past MO, it would not be unreasonable for one to suppose that "Me in KY" might actually be "You"(...in Texas),(...Liverpool), (...in here), etc, now would it?
In the world of truth and fiction, credibility is everything. Your FICO score on that count is in the low 300's. Nothing personal. Just business.
Like the real world, you have to raise your score if you want to get anywhere. I don't particularly like the system, but it's the one we got. And you might cut Cranky a little slack. His score, agitated or not, is A LOT higher than yours.
Later, Dude. |
Dixie
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 | 10:45 AM
Stop calling me dude....I am female! |
Tracedog
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 | 10:59 AM
Dixie,
I respectfully triple-dog my aforementioned appologies. Ever hear that Roxy Music (Brian Ferry) song..."More than this"?
"I could feel at the time - there was no way of knowing..." |
Dixie
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 | 11:23 AM
hahaha I am a guy!!!Got you again....I guess my score is a 1.. |
Dixie trixie
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 | 11:37 AM
Cranky needs Jesus. |
Tracedog
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 | 11:45 AM
Dixie
My appologies still stand.
And I think you still deserve a 300, by the way. After all, you can speak, write, ring doorbells and run away... and don't forget - that marvelous sense of humor. Think of the poor souls who have and can do neither.
One more thing, I did say "...even if the 90K isn't you..."
Whatever the case it is, and I don't care, the 90K "Me in KY" is rubbish.
Now go pull on Cranky's hair and leave me alone. |
Dixie
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 | 11:52 AM
ok...But Cranky is bald I think..so I cant pull his hair.lol |
Tracedog
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 | 12:39 PM
Cranky said:
"There's a reason that Sharper Image is in bankruptcy"
Yeah, now there's a genuine hoax for you - Sharper Image!
I ALWAYS thought that place was a complete joke, along with $200 designer jeans made in China. The sooner those kinds of places go out of business the better. What on earth has this country come too? |
Dixie
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 | 02:52 PM
Lets keep the comments about chain mail...this is not about Sharper Image or about what Tracedog and Cranky think the economy is going to do....Its about the letter....the economy is fine...if youre broke then go find a better job. |
Dixie
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 | 02:56 PM
Or better yet...I have a letter that you can send out that is completely legal and will bring in a huge return for a small investment...just pay postage...I got it from a retired attourney friend of mine..he made 800,000.000 in just a few short months..Nowdays seems everyone is sooo worried about the economy....this lil letter will bring you the financial freedom youve always dreamed of...call me @ 555-555-5555 for details!!!! |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 | 04:53 PM
Record number of personal bankruptcies.
Record number of home foreclosures.
Dollar at an all-time low versus the Euro.
Alan Greenspan says we are essentially already in recession.
Yup, the economy has never been better.
The point was that, in uncertain economic times, scams like chain letters become more attractive to people, therefore it's likely that we'll see more of this kind of thing in the near future.
Besides, Dixie is hardly the person to be indignant about "irrelevancies" in this thread. |
dixie
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 | 09:33 AM
We live in the USA ... the most stable country in the world... |
Greg
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 | 09:39 AM
Could someone please help me open this 800,000th envelope. |
John
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 | 10:17 AM
I too got this same letter as described above except it has added a seventh person into the mix.
Besides just reading the letter, I went a step further and started to look up the people who were on the list to get the $1.00 each. I found 6 people were in the general directories of listings like anywho.com or other sites listing public info & they were all listed publically as they appeared on my letter. Plus, my letter came to me with a return name on it which also was found as correct when I looked it up. So, that all looked OK except for 1 person who looked liked they were using a relatives address as a return address.
I was concerned about the legalities so therefore checked out the "Oprah & 20/20" thing, etc which lead me to this posting.
I agree w most of you, it seems like a gamble, therefore not legal. However there is room for interpretation but as the one poster above said, the PO doesn't lose cases in court often so I bet they could argue that the loose "interpretation" wouldn't hold up to a reasonably intellegent person who is trying to make money via use of the postal service.
With all this considered, I think it's not worth the gamble to risk the slight chance of fighting this in court & most likely losing to a federal charge...
$800,000.00 would be nice tho!! |
My Jack Jody
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 | 10:38 AM
U have GOT to be kiddin...what a bunch of nuts.
Of course anyone can fly by jumping off a building, GOD, how dumb. Ya fly down to the ground then you hit whatever, or whoever is rude enough to be in your way & it might hurt.
Ya know???
That's an easy one....
So, what are we all talkin bout round he-are?
How R U folks, OK??? Can I help...I'm a doctor and a lawyer, and an astronaut. |
Greg
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 | 10:43 AM
Its about time you got here Jack Jody.......Yee Haw |
My Jack Jody
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 | 11:06 AM
Oh Ya U got it dude.
YEEEE HAAAAAAAWWWWW is right.
Whatz Up...
How do U like this chain letter, or big professional business career stuff?? |
Mr Jack Jody
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 | 11:09 AM
anyone "cranked" up yet?? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 | 02:06 PM
Dixie said:
"We live in the USA ... the most stable country in the world..."
And therefore what? We never have recessions? The barest knowledge of history will disprove that. |
Dixie
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 | 08:15 AM
Cranky...Its a shame that you have no faith in anything...not even your own country...Yes it is possible that we may go into a recession but can you ask yourself honestly how it will effect you as an individual...I mean unless your a stock broker or investment guru you will be able to keep your job at McDonalds and your pay will remain the same..prices will remain the same for the most part and you may have to pay 1cent more in taxes on each purchase...You will still enjoy your big screen TV and your XBox...It isnt that big of a deal to recess a little..it happens. You will most likely see improvement instantly in the consumer product pricing...things tend to become more affordable in order to stimulate the economy...If you are an average Joe then you will be fine...If your that worried about it then why dont you try sending out a mail order letter like this one....you know you want to.... |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 | 01:55 PM
Dixie said:
"Yes it is possible that we may go into a recession but can you ask yourself honestly how it will effect you as an individual...I mean unless your a stock broker or investment guru you will be able to keep your job at McDonalds and your pay will remain the same."
Clueless. Just as an example, the rising price of gasoline is already affecting the cost of many other things, including food. Things are delivered, it may have occurred to you, and when the cost of delivering them goes up, that increase is passed on to consumers.
Inflation, by definition, means that prices are rising faster than wages. Your notion that people who work at McDonalds won't be negatively affected by that is absurd. People in low-paying jobs are the ones who are affected the most by inflation.
"prices will remain the same for the most part and you may have to pay 1cent more in taxes on each purchase."
Wrong for the reason I just mentioned as well as for others.
"If you are an average Joe then you will be fine."
The "average Joe" is the one who will be MOST affected by recession and inflation. By the way, many economists think that we are ALREADY in a recession. We're not waiting for one to arrive, it's already here.
"If your that worried about it then why dont you try sending out a mail order letter like this one....you know you want to."
Bzzt! Wrong. If I had any interest in becoming involved with an illegal and worthless chain letter, I would have by now. |
Dixie
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 | 02:48 PM
Cranky Cranky....Maybe you should try visiting Venezuela or any othe South American country....the streets lanes are seperated by human feces and people have holes for toilets...I remember on a trip I took that we could find no decent place to eat and our guide said he knew of a place so we went there...As we walked in the place I was like wow..not a bad place..tablecloths and salt and pepper...I had been eating spam for two days and was ready for a good meal...then my buddy asked where the restroom was and it was ten to fifteen feet away and he came out and said man you have to see this...I was like no..not until after we eat but was skeptical after all I had seen and decided to go in and look and..then...I saw two bars to put your arms on and 3 feet of human waste piled up...Needless to say we did not eat there..I ran into a farmer there who had worked for 6 years and had obtained six chickens and a mule for all he had worked...he was so proud to show them... he was so proud of what he had obtained....Recession or not Im grateful for this country and all the wealth it has...I fear no recession...so what if gas is 5 bucks a gallon At least Im not riding a donkey....Ungrateful people like you dont even have a clue how good you got it....
PS...Got the letter again yesterday. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 | 12:59 AM
So, Dixie, the best defense of the current state of the American economy is that we haven't yet sunk to the level of a Third World nation where people starve to death in the streets?
Wow, talk about setting the bar low.
"so what if gas is 5 bucks a gallon"
Right, so what if the price of gas causes people to have less discretionary money to spend on other things which creates layoffs, further depressing the economy? I mean, it isn't as though home forclosures and personal bankruptcies are at an all-time high. Uh, wait...
But none of this has any direct bearing on the topic of chain letters, so how 'bout we get back on topic? |
Dixie
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 | 08:23 AM
Its not that at all...Im just making a point that even if we did recess for the next 1-2-3-4 years we will be better off still than a lot of folks....and your right ...lets get back on topic....The Letter Probably Does Work and It Isnt Illegal.... |
Hopeful
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 | 05:57 PM
Can we please hear responses from people who have tried this and leave the legalities out of it. I am curious. |
Hopeful
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 | 06:06 PM
You people have been depating this since november 2004. I have just recieved this letter and I would like to hear from people who have tried this. Please let us know how you have done, honestly! |
Hopeful
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 | 06:16 PM
Oops! I meant "debating" |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 | 06:42 PM
Hopeful said:
"You people have been depating this since november 2004. I have just recieved this letter and I would like to hear from people who have tried this. Please let us know how you have done, honestly!"
The reason we've been debating this since 2004, Hopeful, is because there are people who wish to sucker others into a scam and people who can't understand simple concepts of math in this world.
No, sorry, we CAN'T leave the "legalities" out of this discussion. You're saying that tells me that you DON'T CARE if you break the law so long as you come out ahead. Scams count on people like you. Ever heard the expression, "You can't cheat an honest man"? |
Hopeful
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 | 06:59 PM
Life is about taking chances. I've taken many chances in my life and usually come out ahead. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 | 07:30 PM
Saying that PROVES to me that you don't care if you "win" even if winning means that you've taken someone else's money.
Also, I notice that you completely ignored what I said about chain letters being illegal.
Please move to another country at your earliest convenience. Thank you. |
Sam Gainer
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 | 02:10 AM
OK, just recieved this, went as far as ording mailing list for $33 for 300 names, really didn't know it could be illegal...here's my thinking, I've spent 120 bucks on more riduculous things... |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 | 05:42 PM
Sam Gainer said:
"OK, just recieved this, went as far as ording mailing list for $33 for 300 names, really didn't know it could be illegal...here's my thinking, I've spent 120 bucks on more riduculous things..."
It may be true that you've spend money on more ridiculous things, but this is just good money after bad.
Yes, chain letters which exchange money are illegal, Sam. If you go back in this thread, you'll find links to the exact parts of the U.S. Postal Service's website which explain that.
I'm curious to know what motivated you to buy the list. |
Dixie
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 | 08:17 AM
Sam and Curious.............
Dont listen to Splankey Pedia Gurl.......Hes been trying to dicourage everyone who gets the letter...he even discouraged me from sending it out....this guy is an ideologist who believes only his ideals are right....this letter probably works and i doubt its illigal..... |
Dixie
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 | 09:48 AM
Spanky Said "I'm curious to know what motivated you to buy the list."
Money Cranky....Money.....
Spanky Said "The reason we've been debating this since 2004, Hopeful, is because there are people who wish to sucker others into a scam and people who can't understand simple concepts of math in this world.
No, sorry, we CAN'T leave the "legalities" out of this discussion. You're saying that tells me that you DON'T CARE if you break the law so long as you come out ahead. Scams count on people like you. Ever heard the expression, "You can't cheat an honest man"?
You havent proved that is illegal yet Cranky.....Just given your opinion on why you THINK that it is.
Spanky Said "Please move to another country at your earliest convenience. Thank you."
Take your own advice buddy. Stop bieng rude to people who dont agree with your twisted assumptions. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 | 01:50 PM
My "twisted assumptio"?
Uh, I've linked more than once to the exact part of the U.S. Postal Service's website where it says that chain letters exchanging money are illegal and it explains in simple English why.
I realize that those silly things called "facts" have no place in the faith-based world, but they're pretty important to the rest of us.
Why don't you send a copy of that "legal" chain letter of yours to the office of the Postmaster General and ask if it's legal? Please let us all know what answer you get. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 | 01:58 PM
Dixie said:
"Dont listen to Splankey Pedia Gurl.......Hes been trying to dicourage everyone who gets the letter...he even discouraged me from sending it out....this guy is an ideologist who believes only his ideals are right....this letter probably works and i doubt its illigal....."
Ah, personal insults! The last resort of those who have no facts to back up their argument.
"this letter probably works and i doubt its illigal"
Unfortunately for you and your beliefs, the U.S. Postal Service disagrees.
Go to usps.com and use "chain letter" as a search term. You'll see a very clear explanation of why chain letters involving the exchange of money are illegal.
OR you could just take the word of a random person on the Internet who BELIEVES chain letters are OK and who can't spell "illegal." Your call. |
Jason
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 | 02:18 PM
Media Cranky Guy. I just thought you should read this from the US Postal service about what constitutes a legal letter and an illegal letter. Rather than have you continue to give out bad legal advice, I thought this might clear it up for you. http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/chainlet.htm |
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