The Museum of Hoaxes
A Postal-Mail Chain Letter?
Posted By:
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
Nov 14, 2004
 I received this chain letter in my mailbox:

Dear Friend,
Greetings: I am a retired attorney. A few years ago a man came to me with a letter. He asked me to verify the fact that this was legal to do. I told him I would review it and get back to him. When I first red the letter my client brought me, I thought it was some "off-the-wall" idea to make money. A week and a half later we met in my office to discuss the issue. I told him the letter he originally brought me was not 100% legal. My client then asked me to later it to make it perfectly legal. I asked him to make one small change in the letter.

***
It goes on for another 2 pages about how if you send $1 to the 6 names on the list & you will make $800,000.00 in just 3 months. You pay for a list of names to send letters to. I KNOW this is a scam. I just can't figure out how I got it. It came to me at my married name (junk-mail tends to come to my maiden name), & it came to my actual house address. (My driver's license lists my PO Box & if you look me up at the DMV, the physical address is actually my prior residence...haven't had time to change it yet.) The phone & electric aren't registered in my name, they're registered to my husband. (There's not a water bill, we have a well.)

What I wanna know is: How did this come to me, with my correct name at my current physical address??? The 'person' who sent the letter is: Mr. Louis Jordan/1234 Shakespeare Avenue/Apt # 2E/Bronx, NY 10452

Also, a co-worker recently had someone slip this same letter under his door at his apartment building...Anyone hear anything about this??
Category: Scams; Replies: 1759

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Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 | 01:04 AM
Unfortunately, Domski, it doesn't really matter what you think. According to the LAW, chain letters are illegal. According to the laws of mathematics, they CANNOT and DO NOT work as claimed.

"It claims to be legal. It probably isn't. But who cares??! The only person who doesn't want a scam to work is someone who doesn't need to benefit from the letters."

How about the scammer who doesn't want it to work as he/she claims it can? He/she just wants to rake in the money the suckers "invest" in the chain.

"If you have to give all the money back oh well. It's definitely worth a try because you probably aren't going to get caught."

The funny thing is that you probably think of yourself as a moral person. You know, Domski, a lot of bank robbers never get caught. Is that a line of work you might consider?

"And who cares about losing $150-$300 once??"
"

Oh, I don't know. How about someone facing difficult financial times who puts the money into the chain hoping that it will multiply and allow them to make their next mortgage payment, say? Who do you think the typical target for this kind of scam is?
That Darn Blister
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 | 10:24 AM
No, Domski... in Texas, where you are, promoting this letter (like any other pyramid scheme) is an automatic felony crime. 2 years in prison and/or a $10,000 fine.

Plus the letter itself will ruin your life for years to come, when future employers find out about it and deny you work because you did that. Ask Karen Liddell, if her website is still around.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 | 01:42 PM
But Blister, Domski BELIEVES that his chain letter isn't illegal, just like he BELIEVES that he isn't being a scumbag for promoting it. Doesn't that count for something?

By all means, Domski, if and when you get indicted for operating your scam, use your BELIEF as your defense. That's sure to get you off.
That Darn Blister
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 | 01:30 AM
No, it doesn't mean a thing in a courtroom. Ignorance of the law is no defense (except perhaps in cases of tax evasion or the lucky traffic ticket).
DCman
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 | 03:39 PM
I recieved the letter and was contemplating it when I found this site. What is really puzzeling to me is why Cranky Media Guy has been posting regularly since 2005 (that's the date of his first posting) Why would you spend 5 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE coming here and commenting about it over and over and over again. I am curious as to YOUR MOTIVATION ???
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 | 05:33 PM
DCman, (btw, you live one city over from me...) you may not have noticed that CMG hasn't posted anything about this in six weeks. It's not as if he spends most of his life on it, it's merely that it is important to him that people don't get scammed, so he responds when needed to help clear things up.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 | 01:37 PM
Silly hcmomof4! Can't you see? If my first posting to this thread was five years ago, then I MUST have spent every waking moment reading and commenting on this thread.

That would mark me as a crazy person, meaning that what I've said is irrational, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

THAT in turn would mean that all the books in all the libraries which say the same thing as I've said about chain letters are wrong.

THAT would mean that it IS possible for money to magically multiply if we just send it back and forth among ourselves.

It's SO obvious!
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 | 01:40 PM
DCMan said:

"Why would you spend 5 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE coming here and commenting about it over and over and over again. I am curious as to YOUR MOTIVATION ???"

So, since according to you, I have a questionable motivation, nothing I've said has any validity?

By all means, don't actually read any of it and ponder whether it makes any sense.
macaroon31
Member
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 | 01:52 PM
So has anybody actually tried it and what were the results?
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 | 03:54 AM
macaroon31 said:

"So has anybody actually tried it and what were the results?"

Gee, if only there was some place--a forum perhaps--where people could post comments about chain letters, their legality and whether they've tried one or not; you know, stuff like that. And maybe that "forum" could have hundreds of messages like that, even going back several years.

Yeah, someone really ought to set something like that up.
mrbean
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 | 05:44 PM
ok i am new at this
i am setting with the chain letter right now
and boy do i want to participate but can't i am fighting with my self and i am reading everyone comments i agree with all of you yes this very well can be a scam but on the other you could profit and the way i think you may is by sure faith that the people you seen this letter to try as hard as you to make this happen. the way i see i am going to lose 165.92 off top with the buying of the stamps,letter tags,and the 200 names also the envelopes. one guy says it took 11 days before he recived anything everything is done off of sure guessing the letter says when you seen 200 letters about 15 people will respone and seen you 1.00 dollar then those 15 people will mail 200 letters and 225 people will send you 1.00 those 225 people mail out 200 letters 3375 people will send you 1.00 those 3,375mail out 200 letters 50,625people send you 1.00 dollar 50,625 mail out 200 letters 759,375 people send you a 1.00
and your total amount of funds accumalted should be 813,615.00 and all of this is based on the original 15 people from the first 200 letters actually sending those letters and everyone after so you can profit, and its not meant for you to profit forever just a little bit at a time so i am going to do it if it does not work the first time i will try again it gets three times america 3 strikes your out rule and if after the 3rd time it does not work i will be come one of the greatest haters of this program i will make it my purpose to destroy all of what it is about i will go as far as newspapers,televison shows, even a book but if it work the whole world will know i will make it a mission in my life because it will change mine forever.this i promise you mr cranky media guy,peggy,scottyboy,cajungal328
g,dixie
also please do not tag me own my grammar no body is perfect ok you may not make mistakes in writing but i am sure you have made mistakes in other areas .
mrbean
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 | 05:59 PM
also on the letter it tells you how it is legal it says refer to (title 18 section 1302&1342; of u.s postal and lottery laws found on the internet
someone wanted to know the cost of the service it is 45 dollars for every time you want 200 people names and once i again a AM GOING TO DO IT
mrbean
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 | 06:10 PM
here are some of the people that profited mr dick hollman, jay masterson, Sandra Frisch,roland siegerot
i belive someone wanted to know who has profited from it well these people have also i am sure if you was making a lot of money you would not be so eager to let everyone know how your doing it because you would lose funds.
mrbean
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 | 06:58 PM
cranky media guy
chain letters are illegal
but mail order services are not
they are done up into a letter asking for service ok under the law information that i gave in my previous statement the letter that i receive could have well been in the same format as jc penny k mart sends you asking you to buy there products and services so you can stop saying chain letters are illegal we have already established that if you receieved the letter that i receive it is not a chain letter but a mail order service /contract in which states the services in which you are requesting it is not i repeat a chain letter excuse the grammar just like i go to get my taxes done i have to pay them for there services do i not so the same is applied here.
brainsareforthinkin'
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 | 04:44 PM
I just wanted to say to all of you who are thinking of doing this I had done a truckload of research back 3 months ago and both the mail service and chain letters are illegal and are scams. The postal laws are very clear about this. I was almost taken in by this scam but I am glad I did the research which includes reading this thread. What is being said is true and you will be scamming yourself and others if you participate. I guess if you can live with that thats up to you of course. But I feel I should tell you people have been caught and paid the price( See previous entries on this thread probably 4-7 pages back?)
I strongly caution you about this. Think it through... is it really worth it?
People are in bad times this will not help.
Thanks for reading my opinion.
S. Blank
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 | 02:44 PM
I received one of these letters several days ago, layed it aside and decided to read it today. (there was no return address on my letter) I called my husband and asked him if I could do this people helping people mailing. He said yes, we have wasted money on other things in our lives. I decided I would try to contact one of the people on the list. I called directory assistance and I could not get the number for even one of the six people on the list. 2 of the peoples numbers were unlisted. The other 4 were not the name or the address - so number was available. Needless to say in this economy, I lost my job and we lost our home and our car. I thought anything at this point would be worth it. Yeah I would love to have 800,000 dollars, to get bills paid and to buy a car and even buy another house. But unfortunately legal or not, I am not doing it at this time because I can not see if it truly does work. I have written a letter to Oprah to see if they did have this on her show and anything else that they may know. I enclosed a copy of the letter that her name was on. I have seen several post that states that it does work, and lots from people who seem angry that these letters are around. If they anger you then throw them away. I will repost if I find out anything else about these letters. I am also going to ask the postmaster.
That Darn Blister
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 | 03:21 PM
Dear S. Blank,

No, that was never on Oprah's show, in her magazine, or anywhere else she sponsors. As her staffers tell people who ask on Oprah.com practically all the time.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 | 04:51 PM
Blister is correct. Oprah has never done a show about chain letters. The scam artists who tell you that are lying to convince you that their chains are legitimate.

"I have seen several post that states that it does work, and lots from people who seem angry that these letters are around."

Which of those two groups do you think have a motivation to lie to you?
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 | 04:52 PM
I should have said "HAS a motivation to lie to you?" Oops.
josh
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 | 10:11 PM
media cranky ass da box thing makes no sense cuz new people r always given money to the peeps n da box get it got it ta hell wit u all
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 | 04:14 AM
I'm sorry, Josh, I don't speak Stupid. Could you please translate that into something resembling English? Thanks.
Nicole
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 | 04:03 PM
I just received this letter today from a rick vaughn in ogden, utah? really strange. i dont know how he got my information...
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 | 06:12 PM
Nicole said:

"I just received this letter today from a rick vaughn in ogden, utah? really strange. i dont know how he got my information..."

Here's a thought. Why don't you see if you can find a phone number for Rick Vaughn in Ogden, Utah, call him and ask how he got your information?

At the very least, it might be an amusing conversation.
WILL
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 | 04:16 PM
Hello, it seems that everyone has an opinion about this and did not try it. What do have to loose if you have nothing already. What if this actually worked an you paid off a bill or 2.
maybe not the millions but a couple of hundred will be good for me. I spend close to 300 a weekend just drinking with my buddies why not put it to better use instead of pissing it all away.
DONT KNOW ABOUT ALL OF YOU BUT IM TRYING IT.
hcmomof4
in So. Cal.
 Member
Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 | 06:42 PM
Will, let us know how it goes...
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 | 02:09 AM
Will, allow me to paraphrase your logic.

"I already waste a large part of my income on alcohol so why not waste even more of it on a mathematically impossible scam?"

Has it ever occurred to you that your prodigious alcohol intake may have negatively affected your reasoning skills? Just sayin'.
That Darn Blister
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 | 04:19 AM
So, Will, you think a felony conviction on your permanent record is worth the $300?
Ann
Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 | 06:02 PM
Read the whole thread. Am amazed by Cranky's stamina. Way to go.
I think it comes down to this. Fact: chain letters are illegal because they don't work as they claim to. It is a mathematical impossibility.
The claim of this breed of chain letter is that "if everyone is honest, we can all benefit" (or some variation of that). "All benefit" translates to "everyone will get more money than they put in," in the long run.
This is a false claim, because if everyone truly is honest with this, then at best everyone will just come out even. Not because of low rates of return, not because stamps cost money, but because, as Cranky explains better than me, no new money is actually generated.
I've seen the argument that this could work because new people get involved with every generation, and thus are always adding more money to the pool.
But that also means that there is now a bigger pool of PEOPLE to whom that money needs to be redistributed. Whether you have a pool of 10, 1,000, or 1,000,000 people (or even 1,000,000,000,000,000, if you want to go there), there is no way that there will ever be more dollars available at any given time than there are people involved. (ie, if over time you have exponentially invited 1,000,000 people to join the chain, there is only a total of $1,000,000 to go around between all 1,000,000 of you. Make sense?) The proportions are the same whether you put in $1 per person, or $5. The point is that not EVERY person can get out MORE than they put in, which is the claim of the letter. Hence, the reason Cranky refers to this as "magic money."
When those who try this say they have hope and that they believe, what they are saying is that they hope and believe that they are high enough up the chain to benefit from those under them. When one person puts in 1 dollar and gets back 2, one other person has lost a dollar. THAT is the simple arithmetic. If you have been lucky enough to profit, you have done so at the expense of others. This is not people helping people. If you get money out of it and use it to pay a bill, you're not giving that money back to the "little guy;" you're using it for your benefit, and the people you took it from will never see it again. It's a harsh reality, but it is true. (And don't give me the argument that it's only a $6/person loss; no one would get involved in this if they only expected to get $6 out of it.)
For those true philanthropists out there, there are a million legal ways to help people in your community that don't screw people over. If you are lucky enough to have $200 to throw away, give it to a trusted charity.
For those of you who are in dire straits because of this struggling economy, my heart truly goes out to you. But believe me when I say, this is NOT the way to recover. Put your money into an interest-bearing (yielding?) account. It may grow slowly, but at least you'll know where it is, and know for a fact that it is actually increasing.
God bless.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 | 12:49 AM
Thanks for the kind words, Ann. Yes, you've summed up what I've said very nicely. I've said just about all those things at one time or another (probably several times, actually) but you said them very succinctly and all in one place, which is helpful.

To anyone who has just arrived at this thread who wants to know the Real Deal about chain letters, just read what Ann wrote. It's all true. You may not want to believe it, but she really has it nailed.

Sad but true, there is NO Magic Money to be had.
happy magic money
Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 | 11:13 PM
you people are soo funny if you took as much time to bitch as you did to make money like sending out some letters and asking for people to have generosity to help some one go to school or use the money to give to a charity. then it would be people helping people. like for me i did the letters went to school and became a mechanic that give's the lowest price's and make's a great donation to a new charity every year
so fuck all you dream smasher's that had there dreams jizzed on
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 | 12:25 AM
Hmm, where to begin?

"you people are soo funny if you took as much time to bitch as you did to make money..."

It's hard to tell since you seem to have only the weakest grasp of the English language but I *think* you said that backwards.

Not that I believe for one second that you actually made ANY money via a chain letter, but if you DID, I would recommend that you spend some of it on literacy classes. PLEASE tell us you dropped out of school before the sixth grade level. If not, you might consider being checked for degenerative brain damage. There seems to be no other logical explanation for your incredible illiteracy.
Lurch, Jr.
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 | 04:54 PM
"happy magic money" sounds a lot like the "Henry Tyroon" who emailed me this morning with "Who appointed you guardian of the internet? Complain all you want. I'm lmao all the way to the bank!!" after I'd LARTed a bunch of chain letter spammers to Paypal and warned several others that what they were doing was inherently wrong.
Cranky Media Guy
Member
Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 | 12:43 AM
Is "Henry Tyroon" also a functional illiterate?

Good for you, Lurch. Those people you reported are part of a scam. They aren't doing it to make a lousy six bucks, as Ann pointed out. They also aren't doing it to make YOU money. They're doing it because there are a LOT of people looking for a quick economic fix in this horrible economy and they're ripping them off.

Think about it for a moment, people. WHY is he "laughing his ass off" and who is laughing his ass off AT?

Hey, Lurch, please let us know what action PayPal takes against these people, if you know it.
happy magic money
Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 | 02:19 AM
if i don't have the best writing skill's it's from being preoccupied with my love of cars and trucks that could put your nerdy lil adam's apple threw your spine. well have a continued pity full life bitching and complaining about how your so smart ppfff please go out side your lil cube and get a grape fruit throw it in the microwave and act like you know what pussy is
Frank
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 | 10:36 PM
So are chain letters illegal?
Frank
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 | 10:38 PM
why would anyone need to find out about the money you make. It's all cash, just bury it in your back yard.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 | 01:51 PM
Methinks Frank is a troll.
happy magic money
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 | 01:14 PM
i think your an idiot cranky media you rage on me for not having the best illiteracy and you cant spell your self your such a dumb ass
it just goes to show you are a fagot that need's a grape fruit and a microwave
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 | 01:44 PM
You do make me laugh, Happy Magic Money. Thanks for that.
The Plump Dormouse
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 | 03:14 AM
What do grapefruits and microwaves have in common?

Nothing that I can think of.
Bettina Morton
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 | 07:45 PM
My son-in-law received one of these letters. His letter has the Oprah heading. I am researching this as it smacks of being illegal - actually, I am sure that it is, I am just looking for the proof to show to my daughter and son-in-law. MY REASON FOR WRITING TONIGHT is to explain how anyone's name could have been obtained. It is not only that bank the lady mentioned earlier that sells or rents names. Anytime you fill out a form, there is a strong possibility that your name will be sold or rented. To prevent the possibility of your name being added to a "list", add the words, "Do not sell or rent my name."
nmill77
Member
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 | 11:13 PM
so i don't understand how the person who started it is making money he's not telling us to send him a $. and i happen to work for the post office been there for 7 years NEVER heard this mentioned. what upsets me is if everyone who got the letter would just comply then it would work! oh and explain to me if is so illegal how are they doing it on the internet through paypal?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 | 01:12 AM
nmill77, if you're referring to the original chain letter at the top of every page of this thread, keep in mind that you're only seeing an excerpt from it; it isn't the entire letter.

People who start and propagate chain letters are ALWAYS interested in profiting from them. That's why they start them.

"what upsets me is if everyone who got the letter would just comply then it would work!"

Please go back and read as much of this thread as you can. The notion that if everyone would just play by "the rules," all participants would come out ahead has been addressed and refuted many times. Here's the Reader's Digest version: it CANNOT happen because it is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Since you claim to work at the post office, why don't you check out the laws concerning chain letters and the U.S. mail service? They have been illegal to send through the mail since at least the 1930's.

"oh and explain to me if is so illegal how are they doing it on the internet through paypal?"

You can't possibly be so naive as to think that nothing illegal is happening on the Internet. How many arrests has the FBI made of people exchanging child pornography via the Web?

Paypal handles millions of transactions every day. Do you think they are aware of the nature of every one of them? Also, how do you know that Paypal hasn't caught some people running chain letters on its service and turned them into the authorities? It seems to me that someone who gets a lot of small payments sent to their account might attract the attention of Paypal, especially if they don't have a legitimate merchant's account with the company.
That Darn Blister
Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 | 05:39 PM
Paypal very regularly shuts down scammers trying to operate such letters through their service.

See http://www.docep.wa.gov.au/consumerprotection/scamnet/Scams/PayPal_-_Fast_Easy_M.html
nmill77
Member
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 | 05:51 PM
well CMG i don't claim to work there i do and i spoke with our post master who has been a post master at several offices for 22yrs. aand he explained that YES chain letters are illegal however concerning this particular one the fact that you are asking to be added to a mailing list you are requesting a service and it is a loophole. Also he stated it is never enforced trust me, the postal service as a lot bigger problems like whether or not they will be standing in the next 10 years or not then if we are mailing these letters
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 | 01:04 AM
nmill 77 said:

"i spoke with our post master who has been a post master at several offices for 22yrs. aand he explained that YES chain letters are illegal however concerning this particular one the fact that you are asking to be added to a mailing list you are requesting a service and it is a loophole."

I hate to break it to you, but your Postmaster is incorrect. I suggested to you previously that you read this thread. I guess you didn't do that because if you had, you would have seen that supposed "loophole" refuted more than once. Calling a chain a "mailing list" won't get you off the hook if the court determines that your INTENT was to operate an illegal chain letter.

"Also he stated it is never enforced"

Wrong again. While it's true that a person might get away with operating a chain letter (especially if they're small time), it is NOT true that they are never prosecuted. On previous pages of this very thread, there are links to cases against people who ran chain letters. It's also been explained that the Postal Service's enforcement division has the highest conviction rate of any Federal law enforcement department. They aren't guys you want to mess with.
That Darn Blister
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 | 11:44 AM
nmill77... please read this article:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,754772,00.html

Your "Postmaster" seems woefully unaware of how much damage chain letters do to the postal service.
nmill77
Member
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 | 10:33 PM
okay this is so funny to me because obviously none of you are keeping up with postal news. so let me inform you. the post office recently offered 15000 dollars to anyone nationwide to resign or retire early.because we are in a union and they cannot lay people off and must cut our workforce. we are in a financial crisis and have been for the past year and a half because of the HUGE decline in mail volumes. they have shut down offices across the nation making workers relocate to larger facilities. We are in desperate need of mail we urge people not to use the net to pay bills so we have more mail and to fight the end of sat delivery, so i find it too funny that this article or any of you would think they were mad to get so much mail. If any thing they would let it slide because its keeping people employed and making us money
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 | 01:01 AM
nmill77, you seem to have something against reading this thread as I have suggested you do. If you had, you would see that your theory that the U.S. Postal Service doesn't care about chain letters is NOT based on fact.

As I've told you previously, if you'd only read the thread, you'd find links to cases recently prosecuted by the Post Office against people who operated chain letters.

Since you don't seem to have much of an attention span, here's the Reader's Digest version: The Post Office DOES take legal action against those who operate illegal chain letters. Your theory is wrong.
mike
Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 | 07:56 PM
There another simple and effective system to earn money

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$$$ MAKE 250k IN WEEKS AS SEEN ON 20/20 AND OPRAH $$$

MAKE $250,000 IN WEEKS - AS SEEN ON OPRAH & 20/20

THE PAYPAL 6 DOLLAR MONEY

THE GUARDIAN SYSTEM

All the above were using a same principal
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 | 12:56 AM
Dear Mike:

You are full of shit. As has been explained more than once in this thread, Oprah has never done a show on chain letters. She has certainly never endorsed one. If 20/20 did do a show on chain letters, it would have been about how they are an ILLEGAL SCAM. You are lying to get people to put money into a SCAM operation from which you hope to profit.

Here's the name and contact info for the person who owns the "profit2u.com" URL:

William Stone - (.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address))
P.O.Box 5268
Erina Fair, NSW, au 2250

If anyone is foolish enough to consider putting money into this SCAM, why don't you take a moment first to contact Mr. Stone at his email address and ask him how it's possible for EVERYONE to come out ahead when the money isn't invested, put into an interest-bearing account or used to start a profit-making business. His answer, if he bothers to give you one, should be VERY interesting.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 | 01:01 AM
Hmm, Mike claims that "Nobody will get cheated as the participants list will move up automatically by the system."

Yet at the bottom of the profit2u.com website is this disclaimer:

"IMPORTANT LEGAL NOTICE : This income calculation is limited for illustrative and educational purposes only and in no way guarantees any specific network growth pattern or income earnings."

So, which is it, Mike; does everyone just automatically come out ahead money-wise or is there no guarantee of that at all?

Looks to me like the right hand promises a lot while the left hand tells you you ain't getting Jack.
That Darn Blister
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 | 01:44 AM
From http://www.docep.wa.gov.au/consumerprotection/scamnet/Scams/PayPal_-_Fast_Easy_M.html



PayPal - Fast Easy Money
Pyramid scheme

Pyramid scheme operators are promoting the use of the legitimate online payment system, PayPal, to perpetrate their illegal activities.

This is despite PayPal expressly prohibiting the use of its system for these types of activities.

Consumers are receiving emails with subject headings like
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 | 01:54 PM
Nice work, Blister.
That Darn Blister
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 | 03:09 PM
Oh, and by the way, Mike's email address is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) and he's placed permanent spams advertising his webpage all over the Internet.

He's had a few victims fall for him, too, such as .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (at http://www.profit2u.com/B9189082I ), .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (at http://www.profit2u.com/R4315870S ), .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (at http://www.profit2u.com/G6846098D ),
.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) & .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (at http://theguardiansystem.searchbean.com/ ), .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (at http://www.profit2u.com/L7460420W ), .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) (at http://www.profit2u.com/X2207077K ), and probably others I haven't spotted yet.
marc
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 | 12:26 PM
your a moron! try stuffing that story up your ass!!!
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 | 01:48 PM
We're not mindreaders, marc. Who were you addressing that to?
That Darn Blister
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 | 12:59 AM
I can't figure marc's post out, either, Cranky.

And the link attached to his name is both misconfigured and only leads right back to another page of this same thread.
OB-1
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 | 12:37 PM
has any one noticed cranky media guy has been agitating people on this thread constantly since 2005. it is obvious he has no life no friends or even family that care anything about him. i suspect he is probably confined to a wheel chair and his passive aggressive and sarcastic behavior are simply symptoms of his hatred and contempt for the world for causing all his problems and putting him in the pathetic position he finds himself in. i'm back out and off the keys.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 | 06:34 PM
Hey, OB-1, have YOU noticed that you are hardly the first person to make those same tired, inaccurate, attacks on me?

Now let's suppose for a moment that everything you said about me was true. So what? How would that change the substance of what I've said about chain letters?

People engage in ad hominem attack when they can't attack the substance of what you're saying. I'm very sorry that the Magical World you desire in which 2+2=5 and money multiplies simply because people mail it back and forth to each other doesn't exist. Don't blame me, though; I'm just the messenger.
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