MOH Forum: Koran Quran 911 9:11

Koran Quran 911 9:11

Posted By:
Thom
Oct 03, 2004

This seems to use some correct references of the Bible to lead people into believong an incorrect passage from the Koran / Quran

Can anyone support this 9:11 passage?

Here is the email i received:

IRAQ - VERY INTERESTING - DID YOU KNOW?
1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq.
2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!
3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.
4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.
5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!
6. Isaac�s wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq.
7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.
8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.
9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.
10. Amos cried out in Iraq!
11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.
12. Daniel was in the lion�s den in Iraq!
13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq) also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace!)
14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the �writing on the wall� in Iraq.
15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.
16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.
17. The wise men were from Iraq.
18. Peter preached in Iraq.
19. The �Empire of Man� described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq!

And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq!
However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.
The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.
Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.
No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.
And also... This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...
The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)
Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.
(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! God Bless you all Amen !

Category: Religion; Replies: 175

Comments

Page 2 of 3 pages < 1 2 3 >
Duck	Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 \| 02:08 PM Wherever two or more of you are gathered in his name..........Boy was this fun!
zionist	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 12:25 PM we zionists are making sure that your kids will die for us. who care about prophesies or the bible, we have our talmud and it says, gentile american pigs should die for us and our money. now you gentile (ass-lickers) send your uneducated brainwahsed kids to die for us and keep shopping and stay numb. By the way, we will create as many war for you americans to further enslave you. stay brainwashed. Viva Fox news, CNN CNMBC ABC NBC CBS holywood and Disney. Don't forget to send your kids to Disney so our zionist executive and molest them some more...Shalom!
The Mother of 7	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 12:52 PM :coolhmm: If the y had only told the truth it would have been enough but you had to lie this is deffientl a hoax Quran 9 : 11 But if they repent Establish regular prayer and practise regular charity they are your brethern in faith thus do we explain thre Signs in detail for those who understan.
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 01:18 PM "If Jesus's name was "Bob" could you take him seriously???" - Stephen There's actually a song called "Jesus' Brother Bob" by The Arrogant Worms. Pretty funny, about how he was always second fiddle, so to speak.
terry	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 03:00 PM ken - actually not all 19 of them are false. many are actcually, some are stretching the truth, and some are unconfirmed. all my bible verses come from the New International Version (NIV) version of the Bible. in response to #1, after reading Genesis, it does state that a river came out of Eden, which then branched off into 4 smaller rivers, two of which are the Tigris and Euphrates. so Eden could've been in iraq (north) or wherever the Tigris and Euphrates become tributaries. (Genesis 2:10-14) in response to #2, mesopotamia was ONE of the cradles of civilization. there were many, like the Nile River region, the Indus River valleys, and the Hwang Ho River area. ALL were cradles of civilization. #3 is stretching the truth. we don't know where Noah built the Ark and it doesn't say in the Bible. your guess is better than mine. #4, i dunno. u tell me, but it does say in the Bible that Babel was in Shinar, which was in Babylonia. (Genesis 10:10) #5, yes, Ur is in southern Mesopotamia. look at any maps that show ancient Mesopotamia or even look in biblical maps. #6, Nahor is where Isaac went to meet Rebekah. Nahor is a town in a place called Aram Naharaim, which is in Northwest Mesopotamia (Genesis 24:10). Nahor is also names of Abraham's grandfather and brother (to dispel any confusion). #7, Jacob meets Rachel in Paddan Aram, which is a in Northwest Mesopotamia (Genesis 28 and 29). #8, Nineveh is in Iraq. #9, there were 12 tribes, not 10. unless the person meant assyria conquered 10 tribes of the 12, but i'm not sure. u tell me. #10, i think Amos prophesied in Israel (the Northern Kingdom). read the book of Amos and u tell me if he was in iraq. i don't think he was. #11, shrugs u tell me if they DESTROYED jerusalem. they did capture it tho! #12, yes, it's true. read all of the book of Daniel, and u'll see that it takes place in Babylon. #13, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were thrown in the flames in Babylon most likely. (Daniel 3). #14 and #15, if it has anything to do with Babylonia, then YES it's dealing with Iraq. #16, Ezekiel was exiled to Babylon, so yes once again, we're dealing with Iraq. #17, this we don't know. it could've been further east (Persia and maybe India or China?). traditionally, experts state Persia, but it's tough to say i guess. #18, Peter preached to people from Mesopotamia and Media, but i don't know if i actually preached in those regions. if there is evidence he did, please show me. #19, this one is hazy. "Babylon" is mentioned figuratively as another city or place. whether that's THE Babylon of Iraq, we don't know. read Revelations, and you tell me.
terry	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 03:02 PM in my previous post, i meant to state "factual" in the first sentence, instead of the "actcually".
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 03:07 PM Finally, someone who does it point by point. Right or wrong, at least terry presented a coherent argument, which is more than can be said for many.
Stupid Fucking Americans	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 03:16 PM Damn you christ-tards are fucking stupid. Quit claiming that things are in your book of fairy tales when you don't even know how to read at higher than a 3rd grade reading level. Worse of all you christ-tards once again have to make up bullshit lies about other religions in order to make your mentally deficient asses feel better about your crimes against humanity and your false religion.
Tessa	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 03:44 PM Thanks so much, SFA -- charming screen name, by the way -- for lumping every follower of Christianity into one nice, shiny stereotype. Because, you know, a few examples of a group of people will always represent the rest. Therefore, while Christians are discriminating idiots, atheists are all self-centered jerks, Muslims are all violent terrorists, and no one on the Internet knows how to spell or use punctuation. Well, that one might be true. Anyway, back on-topic, I think it's pretty much established that the message isn't accurate in many respects and is downright stupid in the main point. Interesting though. Also, Terry, thanks for your point-by-point dissection of it, it's interesting.
Shoe fits, wear it.	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 04:05 PM Since christians are liars and frauds who constantly make things up about EVERYTHING (like this fake verse from the Quran), SFA has it 110% correct. When even the Buddhists are sick of the bullshit lies Christians tell, you know you have gone too far.
DaveO	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 04:49 PM Silly people. The Bible, Old and New Testements, and the Koran were written with hebrew thought, not greek. Whats the difference? Hebrew thought, in a nutshell, is sort of like telling a story with inside jokes. Greek thought is like telling a story with a logical beginning, middle, and end. So basically, the creation story is sort of a myth to explain things, same with the ark, same with Babel, etc. And the Koran 9:11 "passage" sounds too damn much like the whole Nostradamas (sic) quip that popped up out of the blue. If you expect to believe any/everything you read in emails, go throw yourself out a window. You dont deserve to spread your genes.
snopes	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 06:17 PM is disinfo lol
jimmyjay	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 07:06 PM And Mormons beleive the 'Garden of Eden' is in Independance, Missouri. The "garden of eden" is an english interpretation of a jewish (old testament) passage. Many Christians (some rich and famous) misinterpret these passages but rabbis spend their lives studying it. Best to ask a Rabbi what the lessons of the Torah (Genesis, Exodus) are. They were never written for Christians to attempt a literal translation. The lesson certainly is not to go looking for a real place - that's not what helps the followers of Judaism. The rest of the 'Old' Testament is a family tree. -------------- Revelations was written by a known manic depressive and accurately describes the unfortunate experience. Several times it has come close to being rejected from the bible. Again, Gutenberg's printing press changed history. Keep in mind that Revelations, unlike most of the New Testament is not about the life and teachings of Jesus. It was written much later. Would it have less impact if it was published seperately or in the middle of the group of books (collectively, the 'Bible')? ----------------- As for translating, try this. Learn Italian and read Dante's Inferno. Now read the English version and note how it has no 'impact'. It's all lost in translation. Point being, the bible is out of context if it's an English version. Yet another reason in Judaism that the Torah is not taught seperate from the Talmud (the oral tradition). It's just not theologically correct to attempt a literal-English interpretation. --------------- Iraq is an incredibly historical place, however, what we call 'Iraq' today is simply not the same boundaries or even the same peoples as in the days of Alexander the Great due to migrations, boundary changes, etc. ------------ Prophecies can be made to fit just about anything. Follow Nostradumus for 30 years and you'll see the same prophecies used for different circumstances. Same with the Koran, etc. Write these words: "A purple monkey will eat the bananas of wisdom from the tree planted by the joker". Now bury them for a future culture. Fun ensues. ----------------- <B>Eleven-nine vs. Nine-Eleven</B>: Remember, in the world at large, the date of the catastrophe was 11/9/01. This is because you go from short to long: day, month, year. America is one of the unique places that uses dates backwards. Therefore, the better hoaxes look for coincidences using '11-9'. In conclusion, to answer the e-mail point by point misses the nature of the claims. People with a lot of time on their hands....come up with some fun hoaxes for the rest of us!
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 07:31 PM "Revelations was written by a known manic depressive and accurately describes the unfortunate experience" - JimmyJay PROVE YOUR THEORY.
jimmyjay	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 07:57 PM There's a large body of work in this field. Just take a Theology class at your local university or start with the works of <a href="http://www.near-death.com/experiences/triggers22.html">Dr. Jamison</a>. There is an interesting (and political) reason why this book is tacked on but others are missing. The full name of the book, translated from Greek, is "The Apocalyptic Hallucination of John the Divine". Note there are two 'Johns' in the bible. It is more about John the Divine, himself, than things Jesus said and did (which, for Christianity's purpose, is the reason for the value of the New Testament). It is not crucial to the religious faith that Revelation stay in the bible. In fact, it is not nearly as valuable as the Gnostic/Dead Sea chapters/books which, some day in the future, may replace Revelation (they are of much more value and interest). Stick to stuff interpreted/studies at the doctoral level of Theology and much confusion is avoided. America is a religiously free country which means you do not have to have a degree to practice. People won't go to a doctor without an MD yet they will learn their religion from men who are simply ordained. You can get ordained online, but somehow it's just not the same as studying Theology at your local university. One thing that is known is that the text, in it's entirety had more than one author. Nonetheless, here are some things John (the divine)wrote:<UL> <LI>Heaven is a horrible place (4:2-8) <LI>The ark (which obsessed Hitler) is actually already in Heaven (11:19) <LI>Only virgin men get to go. If you are female or have had sex, you can't go (14:3-4) <LI>Jesus father was actually David, his mother was the goddess Venus. <LI>In heaven, Jesus was transformed to a lamb with seven horns and eyes (very common in Mania) <LI>Locusts appear with human heads (common manic hallucination) <LI>200 million angels decide to kill 1/3 of humankind (same)</UL> This is getting too lengthy - the research is readily available.
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 08:08 PM What does any of that have to do with the fact that you said the guy who wrote the book of revelations was "a known manic depressive"? Which was, you know, what I asked you?
jimmyjay	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 08:44 PM It wasn't a question. It could be taken as a demand or an invite to expand on the subject. You assumed wrong. But, then, so did I. I assumed you versed in pragmatics. Cheers.
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 08:49 PM So, that's a total avoidance of the subject then? Wow, you ARE a good christian.
Nabil	Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 \| 09:19 PM Im not a scholar of Islam but I am a Muslim and I am to speak the truth about my faith. Surah Al-Tawbah(repentance) "But if they repent, Establish regular prayers, and practice regular charity they are your brethren in Faith: do we explain the signs in detail, for those who understand. Obviously this verse is taking or repentance. Yusuf Ali translation
sleepup	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 12:38 AM The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible) Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace. (Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! God Bless you all Amen ! :quote quran verse 2;79 Then woe to those who write the book with their own hands and then say"This is from allah(god)",to purchase with it a little price!.Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby .ie hellfire That verse as he proclaims quran 9:11 is clearing a lie as i first of all have study arabic in suadia arabia for 3 year then to reside in morrocco a arabic speaking country and to be marryed to a arab woman which she only speak arabic.. It is a follows as in the quran verse 9(AT-Taubah)verse 11 But if they repent perform As-Salat(the prayer)and give zakat(charity) then they are your brethren in religion(in this way)We explain the AYAT(proofs and evidences,verses,lessons, signs,reverlations,etc).in detail for a people who know. then also we donot ever say the quran is islamic bible as the bible were made by men over many years , If you are going to argue with a group then argue from their position example the christains debate with them their teaching , NOT LIE
tue	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 01:06 AM jimmyjay. I have a Bible on my computer two on my desk and I cannot find what you posted in them. I do agree that I did read in Revelations that the 144,000 elect that are with Jesus in the last days are Virgins (or not having sex?) and it is true that only men can get into Heaven! Most of the Bible has been proven to be correct. There has been some elites that have changed a few things. Something's have been translated wrong on purpose. But for those that study and seek the Truth they will find it. It was not meant to be understood by everyone or it would have been destroyed by the elites who by the way would not let people read it for over a thousand year. Just look how the chip is coming out now. How could have he even guessed such a thing that long ago? You will see Revelations come true in your lifetime if you live very long. The only way that will not happen is if people start obeying the Father. Honour your Father in Heaven and KEEP His COMMANDMENTS; LAWS; Statutes; Judgements; Economic Policy; Agricultural Policy and Diet that He gave to YOU and yours , at Mt. Sinai and make Him proud of YOU. The two witnesses that John refers to that will be destroyed are Britain and the U.S.A. This is all new {"a known manic depressive"} there are very few truly mentally ill people. This is just more of the lies that your elites push on you.
Sharruma	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 02:03 AM The bible has been translated and translated since it was first written, if a god ever did put a message there is has been long since lost. 1. Bible is written as several books in and ancient language (suppose for arguments sake it was written by people under the influence of a god) 2. Bible is translated by hand. The translator makes many mistakes changing the original meaning of many passages. Translator also feels that certain passages are wrong and artistically alters them to suit his own beliefs about what god meant to say. 3. Wash and repeat. 4. Pope gets hold of bible (not sure which pope), reads it and decides that certain books and sections of other books just don't fit in with his beliefs. These are removed. 5. Book is translated many more times until the printing press is invented, this creates so many copies that it can no longer be adjusted. 6. The result is a book that has been translated so often that it is like the printed result of a game of chinese whispers. It contradicts itself a lot and if somehow anything of the word of god still exists in it's pages it would take a wiser man than I to find it amongst all the chaff. Myself, I like to keep an open mind. That doesn't mean denying the existence of god but rather being willing to accept that they're might be something out there but also that there might not. I'm open to either possibility, but I won't turn my life upside down for a deity that demands to be worshiped. Thing I think I love the most is how much people will ignore recorded facts when they don't fit in with their own beliefs.
I want to be a Martian	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 03:18 AM Again, religion, the mother of all conspiracies, the biggest con job, used to justify the unjustifiable. And on top of that, using the ignorance that characterises most people regarding the myths (ergo religions)of the world in order to present as true something that is totally bollocks. Just consider for an instant Judaism; it was started by a defrocked Egyptian Faraoh. Most patriarchs of the early old testament can be traced back to actual Egyptian generals, faraohs and priests. The running Egyptians just changed names and invented their own history. No wonder there is no trace of a "king David" in real historians' books. Chistianism? three quarters of the same glob. A clever set up that copied the myths of Krishna, Buda and some 10 other religions figures, plus the lifes of 2 or three anti-Roman rebel freedom-fighters (or shall I say terrorists?) into one character... Islam, what can I say? Didn't they get into a big fight early on that derived on different types of rites just because one side thought that the Profet's (peace be upon him) uncle was nicer than the grandchild and thus, the true inheritor of the leadership, and viceversa, or something along the line? Peace brothers, we should work for this world, and stop guiding our actions by some myth of spiritual afterlife for ourselves. It is such a narcisitic and egotistic approach to just do thing that will "save" our "souls" instead of trying to fix the world's problems!
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 06:30 AM ...simply for clarifications sake, could those of you responding to this please seperate "Christian" from "Religion". I have noted in other posts that these are 2 very different things...Thanks. 😛
donny	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 07:34 AM brandon You are a fool if you belive what you say about Islam being a religion which encourages war you call chad an idiot for not looking things up for himself. Well I suggest you look up your beliefs before you open your mouth. Killing in Islam is strictly forbidden in Islam and is punishable by death. During war muslims are not allowed to kill anything except those which are attacking them. You talk about the crusades. Look at the history of the crusades when Muslims ruled the Holy land Muslims Jews and Christians were living there at peace with one another On the other hand when the Christian crusaders were there the road ran red with rivers of the blood of Muslims Jews and Christians. Get your facts right Prick
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 08:28 AM ...A little sensitive are we?
Scorpion	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 08:47 AM It's sad that many so-called christians need to smear Islam in order to get more followers while doing things forbidden in their religion. Jesus didn't wrote the Bible nor did his diciples, it was done around AD:100. And all the lies about Islam u hear everywhere, like arabs bombing WTC wich is of course is a lie. There was no arabs on those planes (check the flightboards from that day and the autopsy rapport of those in flight 77) and the 19 hijacker story is just a myth, many of those who's beleieved to have hijacked the planes is still alive and well. Wich of course isn't possible if they really were on those planes. And Islam didn't spread by the sword as many in america believe but by the pen. You should all be afraid by those christian zionists and not by arabs, these so-called christians believe that by killing all muslims and starting a new world war, that Jesus will return and they are working hand in hand with zionist jews in order to do that. Take a look at this site, u may end up learning something. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com Peace
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 09:03 AM Dammit! I've been figured out. I HAVE been trying to kill all those who oppose my God!! MWAHAHAHAHA! Get a grip. :roll:
Scorpion	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 10:15 AM Get a grip? Are u saying that u are a christian zionist and that i am lying about your kind? Cause i didn't say christians but christian zionists,not the same thing. And i know what's in the Bible and it don't say kill innocent people, as many fundemental zionists claim. Btw did u know that u can go to jail in sweden for preaching about the Bible in the churchs, what a lovely christian country aight? Many around the world have had enough with american hypocrisy, talking about freedom while occupying other nations and supporting dictators. Peace
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 10:34 AM I said "Get a grip" b/c you need to GET A GRIP on reality. Yes, there are terrible evils everywhere...You can't stop them alone, and you're not going to stop them by telling everyone else how evil they are on a HOAX website. The first part of my post was joking sarcasm. I must have caught Christopher Cole's "no-humor" bug. It's going around. Don't let it bite you!
Ilyes	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 01:06 PM To Brandon: go search History! Moslems never killed people for the sake of God; only fought oppressors and those who attacked them. There was no conquest by the sword, as many Westerners are being taught in their evil, freemasonically distorted school system. Moslems used their army to defend their brothers and sisters where they lived. Jews and Christians have always lived in peace under the protection of Moslems in old uncivilized Europe of the Middles Ages. Jews were persecuted in Spain and found protection with Moslems. Now, lots of them agree with the devilish, zionist (Hitler-like), illegal occupiers of Palestine... Where in the Quraan do you find encouragement to kill innocents? Wanna find out about the Christians killing innocents? Have the courage to read http://www.geocities.com/mewatch99/islamvschristianity.html and also http://www.geocities.com/mewatch99/twolessons.html . Some quotes of the Bible are really scary. Try http://www.allaahuakbar.net/jew/evil.htm Search your own Book and find about some verses used by the Zionists to justify their supremacy claims. You're just a "Goy". Like me... May God guide all and enlighten hearts so they see evil where it really is! Peace to all those who really want it!
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 01:21 PM For an interesting commentary on the whole Jewish/Christian/Muslim realtionship, find the book "The Source" by James Michener. Yes, it's one of those books they sell by the pound (over 1000 pages). The book starts out with cavemen who have no god, and explores man's relationship with different gods from prehistoric times until the present, and explores why man created and/or worshipped these gods. It's only fiction, true, but if you can get through it, you will have learned a lot about the changing religious tides of history, especially as it relates to the Jewish peopleand the "holy" land.
Chrisitan	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 02:38 PM James Michener? WOW another jew zionists saying the truth and the only truth about Islam. No Sir, I am enjoying reading the Talmud, the premier book for jews. This book is a hate book. It should baned and everyone and all those who follow it will need to disapear from the face of this planet before we can have any peace.
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 03:35 PM HA! I value your religious opinion highly, seeing as how you can't spell christian properly. How can you say it is a hate book when you have never even opened the cover? And, if you'd actually pick it up and read it instead of automatically saying it's crap, you might learn a thing or two. I never said it was the truth, I said it was fiction. Since when are novels supposed to be taken as the truth? All I was saying is that it was an "interesting commentary". Oh, and by the way, it actually explores the non-voilence of the Muslim rulers to their non-muslim citizens, which supports what you are saying. So hey, if you want to call it crap, go right ahead.
Muslim	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 03:35 PM I've read this thread and start laughing at the one who made it up. It's so pathetic. For my Christian brothers and sisters: A/ Quran is not based on prophesies at all. If any Muslim tells you that, go online and check the available English translations. Quarn is mainly instructions and few stories to illustrate the meaning. B/The reference in Quarn is Sura then Aya (i.e Chapter, if you will, and verse) when you say 9/11 and connect that to the events, you're actually enforcing the connection. In fact you say Suara or chapter Tawba, Aya or verse 11. Americans would say 9/11 as in September 11, however, in the Muslim world it is 11/9, they start with day instead of the month. Although the whole verse is a joke, I only wanted you to be aware that Quran is not that rich with prophesies as the Bible is, it is not calls the (Islamic Bible), and to be aware of those who preach Jesus' love and forgiveness while they themselves preach lies and hated. No human soul is superior to another. God bless every human soul.
Myst Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 03:40 PM I think it is safe to say that a fundamentalist of any religion (Christian, Islam, Jew, pagan, Buddhist, etc.) is a dangerous thing. If we could just quit fighting over who is right we could spend our energy and money on other things like feeding the poor, cleaning up our environment and maybe even doing what we humans do best, explore, space would be a really cool place to go do some exploring.
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 03:40 PM "No human soul is superior to another." - Muslim Yeah, they're pretty hard to rate when there is no way to measure them, even if you do believe in them.
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 03:52 PM Well said, Myst. I just wish that it could happen that way. :down:
sleepup	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 05:17 PM I think it is safe to say that a fundamentalist of any religion (Christian, Islam, Jew, pagan, Buddhist, etc.) is a dangerous thing. "fundamentalist" fundamental
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 05:40 PM "Could it be semantics generating the mess we're in?" - NOFX, Don't Call Me White.
The Mother of 7	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 11:22 PM :shut: Know has figured it out. Dummies, While we are on here depating rights and wroung of religion we are missing the fact the every day not so innocent people are commiting gross crimes against all humanity! Damit wake up, this war is a war about power not faith or religion because if the wroung people remin in control all of humanity loses. What do you really have to hold on too? Your claim to following a religion that you have retarded and distorted to push you lack on tollerance. People wake up! Wake up ! If good people fall into disputes about the small stuff we will be to blind to realize that all of our freedoms are being snatched away from us and innocent people are dying globaly in the process. Stop the petty bickering and stand up and fight in a real war that will stop the oppression of humanity! I dare you to pick a side those who are for the promotion of peace or those who want to say peace is relative to whoes getting oppressed today!
The Mother of 7	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 11:29 PM I Apologize for the typos, I cant type to well when I'm angry :red:
tue	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 11:41 PM sleepup You have been Fooled by your religious teachers!! First of all Jesus said quite clearly you are not to have any religious teachers (and no Churches ect.) but him and the (I AM) You are suppose to have a personal relationship with (I AM). Jesus made this quite clear NO Priests Ect. Look we have been all fooled by these teachers. The important part of the Bible is there. We are suppose to be Brothers and look what these Lying religious teachers have done to us!!5:8. And (always) remember the favour of "I AM" unto you, and His Covenant (in the Bible), which He ratified (confirmed) with YOU (Moslems), when YE said: "We hear and we obey": and fear "I AM", for "I AM" knoweth well the secrets of your hearts 5:13. "I AM" did aforetime make The Covenant with the Children of Israel, and We appointed twelve captains among them. And "I AM" said: "I am with you: only if ye establish constant prayer; practise regular charity; believe My Apostles; honour and assist them; and loan to "I AM" a beautiful loan; then verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he hath truly wandered from The Way of Rectitude." (The Covenant - The Song of Moses). 5:16. O People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book (Bible), and passing over much (that is now unnecessary - the ceremonial rituals and sacrifices that were only a school-teacher to bring men to Christ - 6:154. Moreover, We gave Moses the Book (Torah), COMPLETING [Deuteronomy 4:2] (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining ALL things IN DETAIL,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord. 6:155. And this (Torah) is a Book which We have revealed as a BLESSING: so follow it and be righteous, that YE may receive mercy 6:156. Lest YE should say: "The Book (Torah - The Covenant) was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by careful study:" 6:157. Or lest YE should say: "If the Book (Torah - The Covenant) had only been sent down to US, we should have FOLLOWED its guidance BETTER than they (Sura 32:23)." Now then hath come unto YOU a clear (Sign) from your Lord,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY: then who could do MORE WRONG than one who rejecteth "I AM"'s Signs (and Torah - Bible), and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our Signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away. 16:91. Fulfill the Covenant of "I AM" (in the Bible) when ye have entered into it, and break not your oaths after ye have confirmed them; indeed ye have made "I AM" your guarantor; for "I AM" knoweth all that ye do; say and think.
tue	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 11:44 PM 32:23. We did indeed aforetime give the Book (Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel. 57:25. We sent aforetime our Apostles with Clear Signs and sent down with them the Book (Torah) and the Balance (of Right and Wrong) (The Covenant), that men may stand forth in justice and We sent down Iron, in which is (material for) mighty war, as well as many benefits for mankind, that "I AM" may test who it is that will help, unseen, Him and His Apostles (Thy Will be done): for "I AM" is Full of Strength, Almighty (and able to enforce His Will). "Dear Muslims, God continues to punish those who disobey Him, as He has promised to do in His Holy Koran. In the Koran God has told those people who are "True in Faith" that they must, if they can afford to, make a "Pilgrimage" to Abraham's Station (Mt. Moriah) in the City of Peace/Salem - Jeru-Salem (Sura 2:124-126), where Abraham offered to sacrifice his miracle son, Isaac, to God (Genesis 22 v 1-2). God has told you to visit this "Holiest of Holy" places so that His people would "lay to heart" what Abraham did and follow his example (Sura 2:124 God made Abraham an example/imam to all of his children). Abraham proved, at Mt. Moriah, that he loved God more than EVERYTHING on Earth and that he believed ONLY God and thereby became the "Friend of God". You too have to go there, so that YOU can remember what Abraham did and be willing to do the same (Abraham is the example to his children - Sura 2:124-126), and believe and serve ONLY God. This was repeated by God to Moses in the Ten COMMANDMENTS and is the FIRST and most important of all the COMMANDMENTS - that you LOVE God with ALL your heart, ALL your soul; ALL your mind and Him ONLY shall you serve. That means keeping only His Laws and His Covenant (Sura 16:91). God also told those who are "True in Faith" to turn their face to Abraham's Station (Mt. Moriah) when they pray. Therefore, those people who pray facing Mecca and go there on Pilgrimage are NOT "True in Faith" (Muslims) because they are dis-obeying God and His Koran and are, instead, obeying the Meccans and their Hadith.
tue	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 11:47 PM "Just how blind can people be? IF these people had been doing God's Will (Islam) they would not have been killed because they would have been in Jerusalem not in Mecca. Abraham's Station is on Mt. Moriah in JeruSALEM, it is NOT in Mecca, because God says so. When will you learn to obey ONLY God, as Abraham your example did - faithful Abraham. If you don't, you will ALL die, soon, as God has told you repeatedly in His Koran and it is My duty to remind you before it is TOO late. The choice is YOURS." "The Hadith has become the Talmud of the moslems and was condemned by God, in the Koran which says that God has gone to all the trouble of writing the Koran so that YOU can understand it, yourself if you read it and DO what it says, which is to read the Bible as well as the Koran and to pray IN PRIVATE, which is exactly what Christ said in Matthew 6 v 6, whereupon God will ANSWER YOU, and teach YOU what He wants you to do - "God's Will" (Islam in Arabic)"JAH http://www.anycities.com/jahtruth//comand.htm Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. Sura7:55. Call on your Lord with HUMILITY and in PRIVATE for "I AM" loveth not those who trespass beyond bounds.
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 11:53 PM Wow, there is no way in the world that I will ever eat enough acid to figure out what the hell that was all about. "And that's all I have to say about that."
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 \| 11:55 PM But this DOES remind me of the scene in "Dogma" where Chris Rock says "I am sent by He who is called I AM." And then nobody has a clue who he's talking about.
The Mother of 7	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 07:11 AM With the name of G'd The Merciful Benfactor, The Merciful Redeemer The belivers must win through, Those who humble themselves in prayer, who avoid talk, who are active in deeds of charity, Who abstain from sex. Except with those joined to them in th arriage bond, for they are free of blame, But those whoes desires exceeds those limits are transgressors; Those who faithfuly observe their prayers; These will be heirs, who will inherit paradise.They will therein Quran 23 1-12////
The Mother of 7	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 07:28 AM With the name of G'd Merciful benefactor Merciful Redeemer All praise be to G'd The Lord of the Knowing Merciful Benefator Merciful redeemer Master of the day of Judgement It is you alone we worship and you alone we ask for help Guide us on the straight way the way of those on whom you have bestowed your grace those whoses is not wrath nor go astray Quran the opening chapter Israel in the bible was the name given to Jacub after he repented therefore i as a muslim have been taught that when Quran speaks of the children of Israel we should not be so narrow minded to see only the Jews but we should see all who have become repented. Oh children of repentance call to mind the favor I bestowed upon you, and be not the first to reject faith therein, nor sell My signs for a small price. And fear Me and Me alone. And cover not the truth with falsehood, nor concel the truth when you know And be steadfast in prayer Practice regular charity and bow down your heads with those that bow down. do you enjoin right conduct on the people and forget yourselves,and yet you study the Scriptue?will you not understand? No, seek help with patient perserverance and prayer, it is indeed hard exceot to those who bring a lowly spirit, Who bear in mind the certainty that they are to meet thier Lord and that they shall return to him.
Katherine	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 07:32 AM Wow, look at all the pretty flames! How did I never see this topic before? This email makes no sense...even if the Tower of Babel and Noah's Ark and all that sort of thing were historically real and did occur in Iraq, that has nothing to do with anything! The first part of this email ("oooooh, look at all the things the Bible supposedly says about Iraq!") and the second part ("oh no, there's a [probably fake] prophecy in the Qu'ran about the war!"), bear absolutely no relation to each other...
The Mother of 7	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 07:44 AM Tue if Juresulum was where G'd wanted us to make pilgrimage the Prophet with whom G'd entrusted with his book would have gone there yet instead wars were fouhgt over the right to pray at the house of fauth the Abraham built in the land that he prayed for. Quran 2:125 Remeber We made the House a place of assemblyfor men and a place of sagety. And take the station of Abraham as a place of prayer. And We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il that they should sanctify My house for those that compass it round,or use it as a retreat,or bow, or prostrate themselves. 2:126 And remember Abraham said, My Lord, make this a City of Peace, and feed its people with fruits, such as them belive In G'd and the last day He said,and as such as reject Faith, for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but soon will drive them to the torment of Fire, an evil destination! 2:127 And remember Abraham and Isma'il rasied the foundation of the House: "Our Lord Accept from us, for you are the All-hearing the All-knowing
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 08:07 AM Oh, and as for the website listed by "tue", here's a good quote... "H.M. GOVERNMENT +HEALTH WARNING+ Breaking The 12 (10+2) COMMANDments SERIOUSLY damages YOUR health" And the page was written by JAH himself. Woo! Nice of god to revise his major rules via the web, now isn't it? Do they have WindowsXP in heaven? I seriously doubt it, they wouldn't want to pay cash directly into satan's pocket. You know, with ol' Gatesy <a href="http://egomania.nu/gates.html">being the antichrist</a> and all... 😏
X in McKinney, TX Member	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 08:10 AM Wow, RThis subject is back. I am actually impressed by whoever Mother of 7 and Tue is. I'm allways up for a good religious talk, but my GOD, lets not place sooooo many bible passages here, most of us will not read everysingle one, we get the point. My belief's are very simple cause nowadays, I refuse to put so much energy to religious Jib Jive. Here they are: "Religion has been the most profitable thing ever. Feeding off of someones beliefs is the easiest way to make a "Buck" or if you live in Canada, "a Loonie", HA!! The ones that are in Power this very day know this. Whether there is or isn't a GOD or Jesus, or whoever, It allways comes down to Power, Money, and control. I refuse to give into such prehistoric beliefs.
christian	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 10:02 AM I was actually refering to the Talmud when I used the word crap. I dont really know much about Michener but I am very careful when I read books written by zionist on Islam. The purpose of their "scholarship" is to find ways to start conflicts between us and Muslims. For over 100 years now, jews always wanted Christians and Muslims to engage in wars to weaken them. If you want to know, just read the Talmud, the book of hate and war.
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 10:38 AM I didn't see you use the word "crap" in your previous posts, C, but maybe I missed it. Of course the jews wanted these two groups to fight against each other. One of these groups (guess which one?) just happened to be killing the jews using somewhat the same reasoning you are using. If someone was trying to kill you for no good reason, would it not make sense to try and divert their attention elsewhere? I disagree whole-heartedly that the purpose of the Talmud is to start conflict between muslims and christians. It was not meant for christians or muslims to follow, so how would it start a conflict? It's kind of funny, though, you spouting off about hate and war, when you said, and I quote you here, "It should baned and everyone and all those who follow it will need to disapear from the face of this planet before we can have any peace."
Non-Moron	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 10:52 AM brandon is really stupid and should off himself.
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 11:15 AM Yes, you truly sound like a non-moron. 😕
Scorpion	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 12:51 PM Ever heard of the miracles in the Quran? For those who do not believe in God and yet believe in the Big Bang theory. There's a site where u can download videos about the miracles in the Quran, and alot more about science and religion (Islam). http://www.harunyahya.com The talmud aint the holy scripture of the jews, it's a zionist myth. Torah is the real jewish holy scripture. Peace
X in McKinney, TX Member	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 01:13 PM The last thing we need is someone else comming out with a book to tell us what is truth.
Myst Member	Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 \| 01:41 PM The truth is out there....
Page 2 of 3 pages < 1 2 3 >

Note: This thread is located in the Old Forum of the Museum of Hoaxes.