Water-Fueled Car

image Earth2012 this month announced the launch of a major new project: they're going to build a water-fueled car. And they're soliciting donations to help them achieve this ambitious dream. Of course, a water-fueled car might raise a few skeptical eyebrows, but Earth2012 says the science behind their project is all very sound. The tank of their car will be filled up with water, but the water will then be converted onboard into hydrogen. So it's really a hydrogen-powered car, not a water-powered one. And hydrogen-powered cars, of course, already exist.

What makes my hoax detector start ringing when I read about their project is their description of the onboard water-to-hydrogen conversion process. From what I understand, it takes quite a bit of energy to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen. This has always been one of the major stumbling blocks on the road to a hydrogen economy (the cost of producing hydrogen). But Earth2012 says that it has developed a 'revolutionary way of creating hydrogen from water.' This involves vibrating the water at exactly the correct frequency, thereby causing the water to easily separate into oxygen and hydrogen.

Maybe Earth2012 really has developed this revolutionary new process, though the details they provide about it are awfully sketchy. But it all sounds an awful lot like a water-as-fuel hoax, of which there have been many in the past... one of the weirdest being Guido Franch's claims back in the 70s that he had developed a cheap green powder that, when added to water, transformed the water into gasoline. Franch gave a few demonstrations of his powder, though never under scientifically controlled conditions, and his credibility took a bit of a blow when he confessed that the secret of the powder had been given to him by a group of spacemen from the planet Neptune. The Straight Dope has an article about Franch if you're interested in reading more about him.

Update: Parazyte has provided a link to an article (in English) about Daniel Dingel, a Filipino man who claims that he invented a water-powered car back in 1969. The rest of the site is in German, but click here to see a video of Mr. Dingel driving around in his watercar.

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Posted on Mon Jul 12, 2004


its not about the high voltage (extra voltage= extra heat) in some cases 1.24 volts is enouph but the more current that flows though the electrodes the more gas will be produced. its a few factors.
Posted by val  on  Thu Jan 03, 2008  at  07:46 PM
Hydrogen, and or, OxyHydrogen, pound for pound...is 10 times more powerful than gasoline and if you mangage your fluid dynamics and ignition timing correctly (remove any restrictions like carbs or throttle body, advance the timing to TDC...) PRESTO ! you can make any ICE run on H. I think the only real roadblock now is producing a positive pressure controllable flow from on-demand production. People are improving fuel efficiency by 200% and some backyard dudes are running thier engines on Joe cells alone (which technically requires no energy to operate)
Posted by Joe  on  Thu Jan 10, 2008  at  11:35 PM
How about its all wrong. The law of thermodynamics was NOT written at a time when radio and SOUND were even properly understood. People rant and rave about losses here and losses there and electrolysis wont work here.... GET A FUCKING BRAIN PEOPLE... water is a conductor.. you can use RESONANCE to make a MIST.. look at a fucking piezo NEBULIZER... now do you think it would be easier to stick electrodes in a large liquid "conductor" or to hit water vapor with an IONIZING potential of 5000 volts or more..its a change in surface area... the same reason a grain bin blows up... voltage is RADIATION... AMPERAGE IS HEAT... if you stick electrodes into a big liquid conductor you will LOSE too much HEAT/amps... and then on top of that regular electrolysis DOES still create steam AND vapor.. so even that could be further ionized... a water/hydrogen on demand process works.... electrolysis will not... you need to use either mechanical motion to create a mist or heat... even boiling a pot of water on a stove is electrolysis... just HIGH AMPERAGE low voltage....think about that. Im a security gaurd for an energy company... you guys think you pay for electricity or pay for meetings where 60 year old guys sit around eating donuts and talking about their money? Sure linemen are out doing the legwork and plant operators are doing their part but they dont even know who Nikola Tesla was... that says a lot when you REALLY think about it. But wait a minute I must be just too crazy for everyone... I mean we did land on the moon because yes there is gravity on it and none of it was a hoax... everyone go about your daily business... just like after 9/11 when bush just told us all to go back to watching tv and shopping... OH and I am an Iraq Veteran. C 1/39 FA (MLRS)... was there for the invasion. Oh and if you think that the gas would "explode" because you have an ionizing potential inside a closed environment you are wrong... what is the charge of H and O.. - and + right.. so if you use a negative potential you will forcibly push the oxygen away.. the same feeling (but more powerful) as when you get closer and closer to the screen on a television and it pushes your shirt,hair, etc......
Posted by Matt Gill  on  Tue Feb 12, 2008  at  12:25 PM

GM has a water fueled car, and they have had it for over ten years. 😜
Posted by Mike  on  Wed Feb 13, 2008  at  07:28 PM
yes it does take elecricty to seperate water into hydrogen and oxygen. cars currently run on gasoline and oxygen. so hydrogen and oxygen would make a good fuel. Now if there was only a way to get a car to generate electricity!?!???!???
OH that's right a magneto, or an alternator, and some batteries....you guys are idiots for thinking this is far fetched.
as for freezing....some sort of chemical like what is put in a radiator---ANTI_FREEZE
the other part of electrolisis is SALT and yes that lowers waters freezing point!!!
and somebody mentioned that the water would put out a fire if there was a car wreck---the fire would have to come from the other car, cause one carrying water and converting it only as needed, to drive electric motors would not catch fire.
but it was a good point that if you hit a gasoline car then it would help extinguish the other guys car.
pray for rain honey, i need to fill the car up!!!
Posted by john lee  on  Tue Feb 19, 2008  at  06:59 AM
I have no problem with the concept of using hydrogen/oxygen to make a car more efficient, however using water as a fuel (when refering to seperating its component parts as part of the overall efficiency calculation) is utter rubbish, and it breaks one of the most fundamental law of physhics we have - entropy, it aint possible.

Fact : Water is at a far less energetic state than free hydrogen gas and Oxygen gas are (after all, it is just hydrogen and oxygen that has already 'reacted' to bond together into water in the first place!) and has also bonded with H-H bonds which additionally makes it even harder to seperate again...

Fact: it takes significant energy to break [hydrogen bonds], and the H-O bonds in water.

Fact: The amount of energy required to break the bonds is the same - it doesnt matter if you use electricity or ultrasonic or any other 'magic method', you still have to break the bonds, still takes the same energy.

Fact: The amount of energy liberated when Hydrogen is burnt in air, will always be less than that required to seperate the bonds in water in the first place.

i.e it cannot ever be used to produce a net gain in energy, perpetual motion is impossible! The sooner the human race realises that the better.

Otherwise The universe would be getting hotter not colder - Simple entropy my friends!

Fiction: The claims that people are driving cars powered ONLY by water - They just haven't told you about the power stored in the batteries, or the extra energy input into the system, (your mobile phone is pretty efficient if you don't count the charger!)

.. People still beleive in UFO's Fairies and Ghosts, doesn't make it true you know!!
Posted by Dr mack  on  Thu Feb 21, 2008  at  06:10 AM
everything in the internet tells something about mr. daniel dingel. but please send us any info. or contacts where he is.

Posted by Robert  on  Sun Apr 20, 2008  at  06:33 PM
I'd like to agree with Dr Mack and attempt to strengthen the argument by breaking it down... if I can get some contributions to strengthen it further that would be great... ideally I'd like to keep all but the most basic science out of the argument.

1: The energy needed to get hydrogen out of water is more than the energy you can get from the hydrogen created.

2: If you agree with statement 1 then it follows that a car cannot run on only water because the energy needed to get hydrogen from water has to come from somewhere other than the hydrogen created by the process.

3: A car
Posted by Dan  on  Wed May 07, 2008  at  12:30 AM

Though that all you guys would like to look at this video from Channel 9 - Today Tonight Australia 9 June 2008? Also reported is a diffent system on Channel 10 Late News - Australia 12 June 2008

Aussie Brothers Run Car on Water:

Raises some interesting questions?

Posted by KEith Harris  on  Fri Jun 13, 2008  at  12:29 AM
Well, just a bit of a question to you quarelling guys? What if water as fuel really is true? What do you think are its implications? Would life be better? Or would life be worse due to the change? I'm new to this thread so I hope you guys would be nice and considerate to me... Tnx!
Posted by Noypi29  on  Mon Jun 16, 2008  at  10:00 PM
Can we run our car with water and gas?
Can anybody tell me is the HHO Gas is real working or is another scam?
Posted by johnandrews52  on  Thu Jun 19, 2008  at  06:16 AM
Hi, John

There are several kits avaliable just search for 'water car kit':

A recent conference in Canada revealed a company producing units that seperated Hydrogen from water, a diswasher sized unit, that were comercially available:




Hope this all helps.

Also check out the video at Channel 9 above.


Posted by KEith Harris  on  Thu Jun 19, 2008  at  06:02 PM
Hi, John,

Found a similar company producinmg an industrial unit that replaces acetlyne cutting tourches. if you look into Stanley Meyer's pages and videos you will find one that shows his technology [patented] doing the same thing.

It is a small step from an acetlyne torch to a motor car engine.



Posted by KEith Harris  on  Thu Jun 19, 2008  at  06:09 PM
In Sri Lanka a boy engineer has found a methode to break water to H2 and o2, very eazly, he runs his car by water around 80Km per leter of water
Posted by Anura Kumarasiri  on  Wed Jul 09, 2008  at  04:16 AM
Hi, Anura

Can you send details, URL or other info on Sri Lanka.
Am working on same idea.
Thanks. KH
Posted by Keith Harris  on  Wed Jul 09, 2008  at  07:45 PM
I've been reading through a lot of these comments. Let me just first say, it's very plausible. And for people who are talking about replacing spark plugs, maintence, etc, let me tell you this. Buy a tank of straight hydrogen, hook a hose up to the regular, and spray it directly into the top of ANY carb motor. The motor will work FLAWLESSLY with NO modification. Hydrogen gas completly takes the place of gas. The spark plugs ignite the hydro gas, regular combustion, no pollution, etc. And, for maintence, the motor will be in MUCH better shape - no carbon build up, etc. It will be clean. It's just water. Too many people argue on here though, there is no reason to keep arguing. It works. And it's possible. There is a list of people who have developed great ways to split H20. Keep working and researching. The answer will come.
Posted by Alex  on  Sat Oct 03, 2009  at  09:11 AM
Hi Guys,

Can water really be used as fuel?

Consider the basics:

water is 2H and one O that make it H20.
Electrolysis can separate it to 2H and Oxy.
Now we have the elements for combustion. Without
Oxygen anything cannot burn.
So, is it a hoax/no scientific proof?

Gasoline/fossil fuel:
Chemical formula is CnHm where n is the number of carbons and m the number of Hydrogens. This added with Oxygen from the engine air intake = combustion. But Carbon monixides, carbon dioxides, nitrous oxides (Nitrogen from air), lead oxide (lead from gasoline, unless unleaded) and other pollutants are by-products of this combustion.

On the other hand, burning H and O the by-product is H20 again...no pollutants! Isn't that incredible? Or you still believe it's a hoax.

They are correct, the energy needed to separate the bonds of H and O in H20 is much greater than the energy you will get when you burn the separated H and O. So the physicists or whatever you call them are right!
In simple terms, why go into business of buy and sell if you buy an item for 2 dollares and sell for 1.80 dollars? Your business will not grow!!!

Now, if you believe in those chemical facts about water and gasoline that both contains Hydrogen which in fact been used by NASA for their rockets to space, then processing water into engine fuel is not a hoax. But unprocessest water per se will not burn, and cannot run you car.

The only constraint to be overcome or the only challenge is to find a method of separating H and O in water with the least possible energy that is much less than the energy you will get when the separated H and O are burned back to water. I believed this was done already by some inventors.

The problem is, they don't want to share this technology maybe for secrecy, greed or whatever reason we don't know.

Don't forget guys, our climate change problem today is caused by burning fossil fuel. All of our modern technologies using electricity (computers, cell phones, cars, etc) are powered by fossil fuel. We are now at a critical stage towards self destruction if we cannot replace or reduce fossil fuel consumption.

I believe that alternative is water. Let's strive to keep our planet for the future generations. There are already thousands of car owners in USA able to increase their mileage by 25 100%, that means reduced fossil fuel use and money savings.

Let's do it.

Posted by Pratreno Bodgalnar  on  Tue Jan 05, 2010  at  10:11 PM
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