Earth2012 this month announced the launch of a major new project:
they're going to build a water-fueled car. And they're soliciting donations to help them achieve this ambitious dream. Of course, a water-fueled car might raise a few skeptical eyebrows, but Earth2012 says the science behind their project is all very sound. The tank of their car will be filled up with water, but the water will then be converted onboard into hydrogen. So it's really a hydrogen-powered car, not a water-powered one. And hydrogen-powered cars, of course, already exist.
What makes my hoax detector start ringing when I read about their project is their description of the onboard water-to-hydrogen conversion process. From what I understand, it takes quite a bit of energy to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen. This has always been one of the major stumbling blocks on the road to a hydrogen economy (the cost of producing hydrogen). But Earth2012 says that it has developed a 'revolutionary way of creating hydrogen from water.' This involves vibrating the water at exactly the correct frequency, thereby causing the water to easily separate into oxygen and hydrogen.
Maybe Earth2012 really has developed this revolutionary new process, though the details they provide about it are awfully sketchy. But it all sounds an awful lot like a water-as-fuel hoax, of which there have been many in the past... one of the weirdest being Guido Franch's claims back in the 70s that he had developed a cheap green powder that, when added to water, transformed the water into gasoline. Franch gave a few demonstrations of his powder, though never under scientifically controlled conditions, and his credibility took a bit of a blow when he confessed that the secret of the powder had been given to him by a group of spacemen from the planet Neptune.
The Straight Dope has an article about Franch if you're interested in reading more about him.
Update: Parazyte has provided a link to an
article (in English) about Daniel Dingel, a Filipino man who claims that he invented a water-powered car back in 1969. The rest of the site is in German, but
click here to see a video of Mr. Dingel driving around in his watercar.
Comments
GM has a water fueled car, and they have had it for over ten years. 😜
OH that's right a magneto, or an alternator, and some batteries....you guys are idiots for thinking this is far fetched.
as for freezing....some sort of chemical like what is put in a radiator---ANTI_FREEZE
OR
the other part of electrolisis is SALT and yes that lowers waters freezing point!!!
and somebody mentioned that the water would put out a fire if there was a car wreck---the fire would have to come from the other car, cause one carrying water and converting it only as needed, to drive electric motors would not catch fire.
but it was a good point that if you hit a gasoline car then it would help extinguish the other guys car.
pray for rain honey, i need to fill the car up!!!
Fact : Water is at a far less energetic state than free hydrogen gas and Oxygen gas are (after all, it is just hydrogen and oxygen that has already 'reacted' to bond together into water in the first place!) and has also bonded with H-H bonds which additionally makes it even harder to seperate again...
Fact: it takes significant energy to break [hydrogen bonds], and the H-O bonds in water.
Fact: The amount of energy required to break the bonds is the same - it doesnt matter if you use electricity or ultrasonic or any other 'magic method', you still have to break the bonds, still takes the same energy.
Fact: The amount of energy liberated when Hydrogen is burnt in air, will always be less than that required to seperate the bonds in water in the first place.
i.e it cannot ever be used to produce a net gain in energy, perpetual motion is impossible! The sooner the human race realises that the better.
Otherwise The universe would be getting hotter not colder - Simple entropy my friends!
Fiction: The claims that people are driving cars powered ONLY by water - They just haven't told you about the power stored in the batteries, or the extra energy input into the system, (your mobile phone is pretty efficient if you don't count the charger!)
.. People still beleive in UFO's Fairies and Ghosts, doesn't make it true you know!!
tnx
1: The energy needed to get hydrogen out of water is more than the energy you can get from the hydrogen created.
2: If you agree with statement 1 then it follows that a car cannot run on only water because the energy needed to get hydrogen from water has to come from somewhere other than the hydrogen created by the process.
3: A car
Though that all you guys would like to look at this video from Channel 9 - Today Tonight Australia 9 June 2008? Also reported is a diffent system on Channel 10 Late News - Australia 12 June 2008
Aussie Brothers Run Car on Water:
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/video#
Raises some interesting questions?
Regards,
KH
Can anybody tell me is the HHO Gas is real working or is another scam?
There are several kits avaliable just search for 'water car kit':
http://www.runcarswithwater.com/?gclid=CM7ere7ZgZQCFSoZagodGiEvWA
A recent conference in Canada revealed a company producing units that seperated Hydrogen from water, a diswasher sized unit, that were comercially available:
http://www.pollutionprobe.org/Publications/Air.htm
http://aboutclimatechange.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=48
http://www.pej.org/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6759&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Hope this all helps.
Also check out the video at Channel 9 above.
Regards,
KH
Found a similar company producinmg an industrial unit that replaces acetlyne cutting tourches. if you look into Stanley Meyer's pages and videos you will find one that shows his technology [patented] doing the same thing.
It is a small step from an acetlyne torch to a motor car engine.
http://hytechapps.com/
Regards,
KH
Can you send details, URL or other info on Sri Lanka.
Am working on same idea.
Thanks. KH
Can water really be used as fuel?
Consider the basics:
water is 2H and one O that make it H20.
Electrolysis can separate it to 2H and Oxy.
Now we have the elements for combustion. Without
Oxygen anything cannot burn.
So, is it a hoax/no scientific proof?
Gasoline/fossil fuel:
Chemical formula is CnHm where n is the number of carbons and m the number of Hydrogens. This added with Oxygen from the engine air intake = combustion. But Carbon monixides, carbon dioxides, nitrous oxides (Nitrogen from air), lead oxide (lead from gasoline, unless unleaded) and other pollutants are by-products of this combustion.
On the other hand, burning H and O the by-product is H20 again...no pollutants! Isn't that incredible? Or you still believe it's a hoax.
They are correct, the energy needed to separate the bonds of H and O in H20 is much greater than the energy you will get when you burn the separated H and O. So the physicists or whatever you call them are right!
In simple terms, why go into business of buy and sell if you buy an item for 2 dollares and sell for 1.80 dollars? Your business will not grow!!!
Now, if you believe in those chemical facts about water and gasoline that both contains Hydrogen which in fact been used by NASA for their rockets to space, then processing water into engine fuel is not a hoax. But unprocessest water per se will not burn, and cannot run you car.
The only constraint to be overcome or the only challenge is to find a method of separating H and O in water with the least possible energy that is much less than the energy you will get when the separated H and O are burned back to water. I believed this was done already by some inventors.
The problem is, they don't want to share this technology maybe for secrecy, greed or whatever reason we don't know.
Don't forget guys, our climate change problem today is caused by burning fossil fuel. All of our modern technologies using electricity (computers, cell phones, cars, etc) are powered by fossil fuel. We are now at a critical stage towards self destruction if we cannot replace or reduce fossil fuel consumption.
I believe that alternative is water. Let's strive to keep our planet for the future generations. There are already thousands of car owners in USA able to increase their mileage by 25 100%, that means reduced fossil fuel use and money savings.
Let's do it.
Regards
Prat