Water-Fueled Car

This definitely sounds like a hoax to me. I think you're right to approach this 'revolutionary' engine with skepticism. I mean, no hydrogen tank? No need to change the infrastructure? Come on, this can't be serious! Anyway, it reminds me of that famous line by Hyde, in 'That 70s Show': ''There's this car, and it runs on water, man. It runs on WATER, man!''

Even a "revolutionary way of creating hydrogen from water" is still subject to Conservation of Energy. Hydrogen is used as a fuel by combining it with atmospheric oxygen to produce water vapor; there is no way to get out more energy that was expended in separating the hydrogen from water in the first place. Until such time as nuclear fusion becomes an energy industry, hydrogen is an energy store, not an energy source.

If you've watched the film "Chain Reaction" with Morgan Freeman, Keanu Reeves and Rachel Weisz, then this should be very familiar. In that, a research team is trying to find a way of producing hydrogen from water easily, and the basis in the film is that they use something called sonoluminescence. The film came out in 1996 (see IMDB), and I recall that this was a year or two after some news claiming that the correct sound frequencies causes water to split into hydrogen and oxygen. That claim dried up, but inspired this film I guess. These claims were in turn soon after the Fleischmann-Pons cold fusion claims. I wouldn't be surprised if this Earth2012 are connected to the sonoluminescence claims.

I agree with the three earlier posters.

But anyway, how do they apply a "frequency" to the water? Do they microwave it? Do they shake it in a certain frequency? Do they apply a lightbeam of certain wavelength into the water? Maybe something even more creative huh? 😊 Maybe they just scream at the water.

Even so, that means (just like Daniel Johns said) that you need to have energy in electricity (for the microwave), pneumatics (to shake it), batteries (for the flashlight) or hot dogs and coke for the guy who is assigned to screaming. Or maybe he can just drink the water if he is thirsty provided he hasnt turned it into hydrogen already....

you can only drive it when it's warm or else the water will freeze up and you have an ice powered car... and if you get in a car accident the water will extinguish the flames!!

If you're going to make water vibrate, it would probably be done with a speaker-like device. But even if that did separate the water molecules, you have to put the same amount of energy in as with other methods. You might be able to use less power but simply take more time to get a given amount of hydrogen. Using resonance effects usually only means you can deliver the energy you need in several small doses rather than one big one.

Physics is physics. Even at 100% efficiency in both seperating the water and burning the hydrogen, it takes more energy to seperate hydrogen and oxygen than can be produced combining them. Anybody who says different is selling something.

Sounds fairly bogus. In the how it works section they plan to break down water into H2 and O2 then mix Hydrogen, Oxygen and Air to create combustion.

Interesting way of scamming tree huggers I guess. I like this part. "People who have donated

Yeah, you've got to wonder why they separated the water into oxygen and hydrogen, then added extra air before recombining the two. Ideally, you wouldn't need any extra oxygen from the air to make the hydrogen burn.

Like John accurately pointed out, in regions where the temperature often drops below the freezing point (like here, in Quebec), a car powered by a big water tank would be quite troublesome, to say the least... It would need another power source (maybe pedals? 😉) to keep the water from freezing.

We're WAY past this..
Thanks to a guy named "James Watt" 😉

a normal ICE engine wastes about 70% of its combustion effiency generating heat, and it gets around fine. Yes 100% efficiency would be nice, but so what if we have to change the batteries every so often, or have to use more water, I thought the idea was pollution control or fuel cost. This guys idea (if it does work) is a step in the right direction, we don't only have to produce alternative fuel source vehicles, but find some way to affordably retrofit the millions of vehicles on the road today. Not only for the vehicles themselves, but for the existing infrastructure of gasoline stations etc. Also preferably without Hollywood-style explosions of hydrogen tanks in accidents.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/watercar/ - try this site for yourself and know the man behind the invention, before judging... this man has discovered the technology since 1967 beat that iceland!

and by the way before analyzing how to break hydrogen and oxygen to achieve "power storage" and not "power source"....browse through the site...and if your in the US VISIT him, Mr. Daniel Dingel, a drink of beer or two with him, you just might change your mind...

I see that ppl like to comment without knowing exactly what they are talking about.

added air?
split system, petrol/hydrogen ICE

resonance of water?
look it up before you comment again... lol
Water is dissociated out of gas with average electric tension produced by impulses of D.C. current to high voltage (20 to 40 kV) at the frequency of 10-15 kHz. Inductance, in series with the Capacity starts resonances inside the molecule. Those cause to break the covalent bonds between the oxygen and hydrogen atoms, by using very little energy. The two gases thus separated remain it, until a sufficient energy is available to again recombine them in the form of water.

water freeze?
Are you serious you can't figure out one way of keeping your fuel from freezing. Wait, you are waiting for someone else to show you... naysayer...ha

-Basically either you are employed to deter, destract, and or disinform ppl.
-Well I guess you all could be the same 10 year old...

think outside the box
seth

right..no offense science lovers physisist's and scientist's..I am not used to getting flamed, but I guess its a question of IQ, well why wont you sign up to the said yahoo groups so "you" would have an idea of "your own" of what the 10 year old is saying, while not having the world scientist's look at your comment of "wanting" to win a nobel award for nice comment?.

anyways give or take the site does offer proper explanations for the 10 year old scientist "wanna be" like me.

"I see that ppl like to comment without knowing exactly what they are talking about."

water freeze?
"Are you serious you can't figure out one way of keeping your fuel from freezing. Wait, you are waiting for someone else to show you... naysayer...ha"(and please dont bother putting down a fellow naysayer uhmkhay?...umkhay...)

-Basically either you are employed to deter, destract, and or disinform ppl.
..yup takes one to know one...
-Well I guess you all could be the same 10 year old... "momma bought me a nu 'puter"

"think outside the box seth"

...and you know what ..."Parazyte"...LOL
as was said in "Engrish Okey"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/watercar/

-could someone lend me a dollar? I think I need a new brain.

anyway if your using a text book, your over doing it....I am just 10...by the way are you from OPEC? where you the one hired?...??

oh yeah for those who have not checked the site already, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/watercar/files/ -this site is definitely in English(Engrish)[giggle]playing aside, play the avi movie coz it's in english (hopefully you could get past his accent, but the babe interviewing him is nice 😉 and everything is told here so if your curious please watch the film(carefully).

http://www.wasserauto.de/html/daniel_dingel.html -this is in german, where the video doesnt play it uses an old windows media player 6.4 or something...it builrt in with windows 98SE.

I apologize about the flaming...I reacted before thinking...sorry seth. and the others esp. iceland... :-(

I consider myself a practicing skeptic but try to keep an open mind. Guess that the best way to determine the fib factor regarding the frequency driven H2 generator is to build one. The cost is
low and the fun generated thru expenimenting is high. Perhaps more energy should go into the shop workbench rather than mind blog.

I've looked over several plans and patents for the which address water to H2 conversion. I'm currently in Minnesota but will be back to Texas in a few days. Readers may want to consider the following: Yull Brown (Brown gas), Stanley Meyer (Hi Frequency:Hi Voltage coversion): Sam Leslie Leach (Ultravoilet); Gianni Dotto ( Magnetic flux)
: and finally Archie Blue ( Alternate plate).
See Explore Magazine and Keelynet for all of
above. China does produce Brown Gas Generators for commercial use. Brown gas is a combination of H2, N,O and other gases derived from water and outside air induction.

Actually this works, but the vibration does not. I have converted my mustang, although I still need to work out some bugs, it runs on 30 amps at 12v DC. I don't use vibration because vibration does not separate the water, only positive and negative charges will pull it apart. You can do this to, take a tuning fork and make it vibrate and put it in water, does very little other than disturb the water. Take 2 peices of copper, connect a 9v battery so one strip of copper is positive and the other negative. Put that in the water (leave about 1/2" apart) and watch it work. I'll need to rebuild the electroleyser and engine because they both suck. But it works. Try it with a lawn mower, what have you got to lose?

Fingers?

😊

What about a lawnmower? 😉

What a bunch of Maroons (re: Gareth, Enrico, seth, Kuragari)

Let me all give you a hint guys. Newton proved that a water power car can't work sometime around 1700.

When you guys get back to reality and come up with something usefull AND practical give us a jingle.

ey Fresh Grad. I know I may be wrong assuming you are a moron by being ignorant, but I guess you get this if you just finished college with a degree and full of hopes and dreams and ego, if you can download the avi file about this fabled Daniel Dingel "who" has a "working" "water" fuelled car, that he had stumbled upon this discovery when there was an oil crisis in the late 60's to the early 70's (and I remember this is when the American Muscled cars died out) Mr Dingel had a rice farm in his province, and he has this motor the help him plow that he modified to run on water, (to this point I can tell you that there was an inventor in the Phils. that offered this technology in the 60's to President Marcos which was turned down because of no financial gain only help the world get rid of Oil pwered engines) so after his dissappointment offering this knowledge, he then got back to developing it to be more efficient it seemed he has stumped on the fact the the engine needs a lot of current before actually making the engine start and so he kept developing this until today, he's very old and his efforts where noble, he would love to give his technology to any country as long as a the financial gains go to the "Filipino People"... thus his battle and stature stands today.... people got smarter, got degree's got educated, then looked for this myth of a man which the newsppapers denied giving his whereabouts... Japanese corporations as big as toyota wants to buy this invention, because he managed to modify any kind of car to apply his technology and of course it works... a european company tried to get his rights out of his invention... but he refused still... 'old habits die hard' ..so if you can listen to his interview and understand through his filipino accent, you can see he is applying current to the watertank(reactor) which he was warned by engineers that it is unstable you know when an atom of hydrogen splits.. it creates an explosion, but if you harness this energy in small amounts then you have a working stable reactor, now frequency's I am not sure if he applies it.. if he apply sound on the reactor because I cannot see anything on the water tank, and if there is a speaker I cannot see clearly because where the car battery is is where he placed the reactor a tight fit but it fits...

(on the avi file interview) so he demonstated how his engine works, he showed without this current water is just water(stored energy) applying a certain voltage it becomes stable enough to produce its own power strong enough to start the engine and sustain the amount of energy needed for the engine cycle..... blah blah blah.....you know how it works..... but being flamed for the truth... you got to see to believe....... in oder to see, you need to open your eyes...so for this forum/community I ask just to browse this site dedicated to him.... and see the groups archive messages and new developments and as well ask questions about how to improve what you engineers has done who knows you might pick something up to help you own endeavors in this crisis of oil that we.. all of us are experiencing....

oh yeah if you see his toyota corolla running you will see 100% water coming out of the combustion pipe, weird I expect some kind of combustion... so I am still waiting to be proven wrong.....and for people who want to have a scene, well do a little research....for your own good.. so people who are seriously here for education or shall I call mind enrichment would not have to go through this rant of a comment just to say "I know better" .. all I can say is reach out farther....at least you might get some sense in your life....comprende? ..jackolero..

Kuragari:

I am interested in your experiment with Mustang, can u tell us more about it? how can I contact u personally, thanks

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The materials needed to split water is already in the car. Your motor. I heard in order to keep the heads from cracking you have to start the motor with gasoline. When the motor warms enought to produce steam then you can switch it over. My high school teacher Mr. Brown heated a test tube of water. When the water came to a boil he lit the hydrogen and it burned off the top of the tube. So water can be seperated when it boils to a steam. The steam contains the hydrogen and oxygen vapors. I saw in an old science book that the hydrogen can be seperated by placing a copper wire in a tube w/ a negative charge drawing out the positive hydrogen vapors and vice versa if a mag. wire w/ a positive charge is inserted in a tube it will draw the negative oxygen vapors and seperate the two out of the steam. The tubes then can be coiled up to condensate the steam into liquid. Run the two back into the fuel injectors and the spark puts them back together w/ an explosion. Sounds good but I have never tried it.

spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm

this should give anybody a general idea if not answer most questions related as to how you can excite water with d.c. and shock it with a.c. at the same time and get more out than you use in electric expenditure. this is good stuff!!!

what I think of vibrating water is feeding the right frequency of electricity during electrolysis..lead acid battery desulfators feeds a current at a fixed frequency (which is the resonant frequency of the lead acid battery) and this makes the sulfates recombine with the acid solution..I think this is also similar as what is referred to vibrate the water at a resonant frequency..will experiment on that if I have time..

I saw Dingel's car and there's no hidden fuel container and tailpipe emmission is only water.

for you morons out there, who don't believe in seperating water with dc for polarization and ac for resonant cracking...

may i suggest injecting steam below in to the intake and using a spark plug, distributor, and coil rated for roughly 250,000 volts. steam vapor can be explosive under pressure and fired with 1/4Mega volts. the burn would be instantaneous rather than slowly as for each hydrocarbon has it own flashpoint.

but for the moment since we're still on HC's, staying on HC's a turbine motor emits less no2 and CO and other emissions

To Ron Kemp:

When you boil water the vapour is not oxygen and hydrogen vapours separately but together as water vapour.

Trying lighting your kettle.

The match will go out and you'll scalded by hot steam.

You must have been looking at a different experiment.

A lot of people are vey skeptical about on board on demand hydrogen reactor. I have been experimenting with it 3 months ago. I believe it will work. but not on just 12volts battery alone,you need to step up the voltage by using an inverter to invert power to 220volts ac then reconvert it again to dc that will give you around 300 plus volts dc enough to separate h2 and Oxygen. It works on my 4 stroke scooter,Im planning to build a more bigger reactor that would fit into my car. Skeptics are arrrogant people, does not know what their talking. Centuries ago stupid people thought that they are very smart and said the world is flat. They were wrong after all.

Centuries ago stupid people thought that they are very smart and said the world is flat. They were wrong after all. - Jam

And intelligent people know that the shape, and roughly the diameter, of the Earth was worked out over 2000 years ago. But don't let stupidity stop you.

In Fact during the the mid of the 13th century King Henry the 5th thought that the world is flat.10 years from now we will be expecting lots of hydrogen powered vehicle. Its no fiction. This year I will be unveiling to the world my new project,same as with Daniel Dingels work. If any one of you knows or related to Dingel pls tell him to sell his technology to any investor he knows with a good offer because there are lots of talented people out there who could do the same project.I respect him because he was the first Filipino to do it. Then here comes Glenn Castillo the second Filipino with the hybrid h2+dieasel. I will be the third. If Dingel does not sell it to the public then history might forgot him. Because he is not the only smart guy out there.

If King Henry actually did believe this, then he was probably uneducated about the truth. Ever since the ancient Greeks the educated people of the world knew it was round. Having said that, even if he believed he'd been abducted by aliens, it still has no bearing on a hydrogen powered car.

Hydrogen power isn't a myth. It's very possible right now. The problem is that it's not cost effective. It costs more energy to produce the hydrogen then you get back from it, making it an energy sink. It's still more efficient to burn fossil fuels. Until the hydrogen generation problem can be overcome these cars will never become mainstream.

Additionally, right now all hydrogen cars are extremely expensive to produce. Granted, with mass production that cost will drop significantly, but it will be a long time, if ever, before they approach the cost of a fossil fuel car. Then there are the maintenance issues that haven't even been addressed yet. How much does it cost to keep such a car running for 5 to 10 years?

I was to understand that this device actually 'splits' water in a process that is unexplainable by our current science and physics understanding. The spark plugs are replaced with water splitters and instead of fuel water is injected in and split.. converting to hydrogen and oxygen and then burned. But it would put out more energy than what it used.... something to do with zero point energy.

"Man will never be able to fly, and anyone that claims it is possible should be confined to an insane asylum!" Yeah, right! Tell that to all the aircraft manufacturers out there! It is amazing how many people cannot believe in what they don't see with their eyes! It takes faith -- which is why so many are headed straight for hell immediately after this life! They refuse to believe in God because they can't see Him, even though evidence abounds all around them! It really is true -- only God can make a tree! Just remember, God invented di-hydrogen oxide (water) too! Do you suppose He knows any energy-efficient ways of taking it back apart?

translation on http://www.wasserauto.de/html/daniel_dingel.html


In the spring 2000 the water car came several times in the Philippine television. To 12.8.99 an article in the Philippine DAILY Inquirer appeared (likewise a further article with photo to 26.08.99). According to a Philippine television report at the beginning of 2001 is to begin series production on the Philippinien. Large concerns such as VOLKSWAGEN likewise already called on DIN gel (over evtl. To buy up patents and put on ice? ; -)

Stefan hard man (http://www.overunity.com) led in the middle of 2000 a very interesting telephone interview with Daniel DIN gel, in which this describes its career/development and its future plans. Wolfgang Czapp, which turned own 5 minutes video over DIN gel water car, reports that DIN gel uses particularly coated electrodes, in order to prevent a high current flow and a corroding of the electrodes.

Wolfgang Czapp: Thus the water car functions: It makes nevertheless not so complicated! Water cars run not with explosion of the detonating gas, but with implosion of compressed ether energy. Proofs: The engine will cold, and runs with very much preignition, it could never with the small quantity detonating gas run. Daniel Dingles water car: The reactor is a faradaeischer cage. In it a normal electrolysis with 12 V and 5 Amper is carried out. Around the electrolysis unit is a swinging coil of only few turns. This coil swings in resonance with the ether energy. This energy is back-reflected by the edelstahlbehaelter into the inside, and gives thus strengthens the Engie on the electrolysis off. The detonating gas, which is mixed with exhaust air, shifted with energy, sucks in the engine. After two thirds of the compression procedure the concentrated ether charge is ignited, and condensed in form of a Inplosion. Thus like Daniel DIN gel several times sagte... very simply!!!

I am interested in water as a fuel,and am sure it can be achieved ,as far as breaking the bond between the elements ,i think that electricity is the answer,but also i think the shape and size may be important ,plus if the electrodes can be vibrated perhaps with piezo ,(ultrasonic ) to dislodge the bubbles faster,this may be the key to efficiency ???.

Vehicle..on demand conversion. Using ultra sonic as a bond H2 breaker may be possible. Bearing in mind that the product may not be H2 but Ortho or Penta hydrogen...I'm not an advocate of water powered cars regardless of the 'testimonial" avaliable. The energy content in Hydrogen remains much lower that the same equiv. of gasoline or propane...do the math then do a little experimenting on a small scale..avoid using caustics as catalysts...Dan

Hi out there !

First I have to say that I've studied chemistry and therefor understand just a little bit of physics and chemistry.

And of course I'm a very sceptical fellow !
So eg I couldn't believe the lifter device
(flying construction) but after rebuilding that
device I was able to verify that it indeed works !

Now to the so called "watercar":
After some calculations, a normal car (2Liter engine) at 3000RPM would need the separation of 0.38 liter H2O per minute to gain the same energy as with gasoline (isooctane was used for this calculation) (eg. 2kJ per round).
This would provide about 42.4g of H2 per minute, and 0.158 liter H2 per round. As 0.158 liter in totaly 2 liters are 7.91% the H2/Air mixture in the engine would be able to explode (over 4% minimal H2 needed for an explosion) and provide the same power as with gasoline.

If you make the same calculation for the minimal H2 needed for combustion (4%), you will get an amount of aprox. 0.2 liter of H2O needed for separation each minute. The resulting power of the engine would be only half of that of a gasoline driven engine (but for sure would be enough to drive around).

Now, for every guy out there that have ever done a labor-scaled electrolysis by himself, it is clear that is nearly impossible to electrolyse 0.2 liter of water (and 0.38 liter of water would be even harder) in just ONE minute!

This electrolysis would take so much energy, that
it would draw down every car mounted battery so fast, that you would probably only drive that car out of the garage and the battery would be nearly empty.

Now comes the main clue:
The hole watercar device would be only possible if it is realy true that there exists some devices which are able to "gather" some energy not only from battery, but from an unknown source (eg. surrounding air heat, or "free energy").

At this point it is hard to belief as scientist that such devices are possible, although there are many devices out there that claim to do exactly that (eg. Joes Cell, Brown Gas, Bingo Fuel etc.)

After I've taken a closer look on all of this devices (as I did for the lifter too) it's clear to me, that I can only belief by building up such a device myself.

Through mail contact with Jean-Louis Naudin
I've tried to figure out which device would be the most promising one, so I decided to build a Binge Fuel device for myself.

Take a look at the following experiment:
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/bingofuel/html/bfrcl.htm

The used BingoFuel cell was able to deliver about 3.7kW through a 5HP electric generator, and the cell needed only 2.5kW to run.

Although the Bingofuel device provides enough H2 to power the 5HP generator, this experiment should run much longer to prove the "gathering" of some other energy (overunity).

So I'll build one of this devices myself.

I'm still not sure that such devices are functional, but the above experiment (see link)
is very promising !

Cheers ! Claude Steiner

for all you skeptical people out there, Please down load The Free Energy Secrets avi, presented by Dr Peter A. lindemann. and please also do some research on Nicola testla - This guy's innovations and patents are something you use every day " Schlemiel in The real world (And not that stupid MTV show) on Sun Jul 03, 2005 at 11:34 PM" if you do not have this information you will remain ignorant. You can find this video on eDonkey2000 or isohunt.com or a simple search on the internet. enjoy

No offense but all these inventors and scientists who claimed have invented free-energy or water-powered devices remind me of Dr. Frankenstein.
Trying to animate dead things with big scare contraptions and monstrosity of lightning energy.
Or those yester centuries imagineers who envisioned flying crafts as simply ocean ships lifted into the air.

My advice: leave quantum mechanic, particle physics to the professional ones. Frankly they are too fine for your frankenstein looking glass.

The biggest problem with this is that electricity is needed to split the water to hydrogen and oxygen. The car would work but the battery will soon run out . You would basically have an electric car.

The only way a hydrogen-powered car would have a lower cost of operation than a gasoline-powered car is if the hydrogen can be split apart at low cost. There are places where hydrogen can be mass-produced cheaply- they are near fast-flowing rivers or hydroelectric dams. The relative scarcity of such places is one reason hydrigen production is expensive.

In summary, unless you live next to a fast flowing river, you will not have a cheap source of hydrogen.

Um, hydrogen can be stored and transported. If it could be mass-produced as efficiently as gasoline it could be distributed more or less the same.

I assume the reason for producing it onboard is the perceived danger large amounts of hydrogen pose. I'm not sure if it's really that much more dangerous than gasoline in storage and transportation, though I admit to not being familiar with the more tricky aspects of hydrogen.

Hey, why couldn't someone use an ignition coil out of a car to generate the high voltage, and a microcontroller to pulse the device on/off at 15khz? just an idea.

4.5 volts d.c. + 300 milliamps @ 960Hz + basic stainless electrodes = Oh my God!-Hydoxy! and lots of it.....

yo.... yo.. yo.... wouldn't you be able to run a car on water if you used electricity to separate the hydrogen from water?? because i have done it and it will burn. But ya couldn't you channel that hydrogen through an engine if you rebuilt the pistons and cylinders to cooperate with making the hydrogen combust and put off energy?? Im really interested in this so if you actually want to have an intelegent conversation with me and not just give me your opinion e-mail me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

The water powerd engine is rediculous. The problem is to spot the trick. I believe that Dingle takes gas like clean propane in hidden tanks to power the engine. All the "experts" look about the huddle of tubes and pipes, puzzling about the "secrets" of the mysterious machine.
No "smell of combustion", only waterdrops leaves the exhaust. That's what yields.

it is possible to use water as fuel. the proper elecritricity (volts, amps, pulse) and the right stainless steal plates produces enouph gas to power and internal combustion engine. i know there are alot of scams out there but i also know that some inventors did invent an effficent way to split H2O. im building one myslef. about half way done. i have a few ebooks on how to build your own. lt and defanatly worth it considering the gas prices no-a-days its not difficult if anybody wants the books i could email then to you. .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

I really think this can work. I think its been suppressed by the government to keep screwing us with taxes. Anyway, does anyone have a high voltage device for sale? thanks .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)