Status: Undetermined (but probably true)
Alex Palmer forwarded me the following email which is circulating around, consisting of the following text and four pictures:
Subject: Picture is worth a thousand words.
The Honda rider was traveling at such a "very high speed", his reaction time was not sufficient enough to avoid this accident. Swedish Police estimate a speed of ~250 KM/h (155mph) before the bike hit the slow moving car side-on at an intersection. At that speed, they predicted that the rider's reaction time (once the vehicle came into view) wasn't sufficient enough for him to even apply the brakes. The car had two passengers and the bike rider was found INSIDE the car with them. The Volkswagen actually flipped over from the force of impact and landed 10 feet from where the collision took place.
All three involved (two in car and rider) were killed instantly. This graphic demonstration was placed at the Stockholm Motorcycle Fair by the Swedish Police and Road Safety Department. The sign above the display also noted that the rider had only recently obtained his license. At 250 KM (155 mph) the operator is traveling at 227 feet per second. With normal reaction time to SEE-DECIDE-REACT of 1.6 seconds the above operator would have traveled over 363 feet while making a decision on what actions to take. In this incident the Swedish police indicate that no actions were taken.
The images and text are posted on quite a few sites, including one that shows
a picture of the actual accident scene. I haven't been able to confirm any of the details, but this doesn't surprise me given that the incident apparently happened in Sweden, and I don't speak Swedish. (For instance, I don't pull up any references in Lexis-Nexis to a Stockholm Motorcycle Fair.) But it seems reasonable to me that if a motorcycle going 155mph hit a car side-on, it would definitely have enough force to flip the car (which is the detail that Alex Palmer was suspicious of). After all, that's a lot of energy, which has to go somewhere.
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Momentum comparison:
9mm slug is 1000fps*20g=20,000 (whatever unit)
motorcycle is 227fps*350000g= ~80,000,000 (same whatever units) [est. bike weight+rider=800lbs]
Thats a factor of ~4000!
Quite a bit of damage possible. Wow. Slow down kids....
You would think someone traveling at that rate of speed on a motorcycle would have been literally launched head over handlebars and ended up conceivably as far as hundreds of feet from the impact as opposed to inside the vehicle he struck but hey, stranger things have happened.
Also, if the people had DIED in the car...there would be a certain...mess...know what I mean??
They might not have exploded or blown their guts all over the dash...but a fair amount of blood would be present. Also...if the M/C went INTO the vehicle, the rider would have come off the M/C right away...just like if a rider on a horse comes into contact with a tree branch. Hanging onto the reins won't keep you on the horse.
Most experienced riders know how to lay their bown down before an impact...in fact, most inexperienced riders would lay their bike down. I know it says he couldn't react...but he'd have at least let go of the handlebars.
Besides...how do they know what he could or couldn't do. Everyone involved died. No one can know what they were thinking...even witnesses can't be sure what they were *thinking*.
If I remember correctly, the accident occured in Scania (Sk
Of course a number of factors are involved but I can assure you, if the bike in the photo was doing anything like 250 kmh there would have been nothing to display but scrap metal.
The energy involved increases exponentialy as the speed rises. At 250 kmh that accident would have involved 25 times the energy of the accident I witnessed where the car was pretty much cut in half.
Here in Portugal we still had mandatory military service in the 90's and one of the unfit ones (I was also unfit because of a feet problem) had 3 platinium screws because of a situation very close to that one, he had cut the top of a car at over 200km/h when the car passed a red light.
He cut the roof (the equipment helmet/reinforced suit.. saved him) the motorcycle completely trashed the mini and killed everybody inside.
We were (legally) doing 60mph and he spun the 4x4 through 360 degrees. His bike cartwheeled over the top and he was demolished as he hit the roof.
I escaped with my life, although I came off when I ran over what was left of him on the other side. There wasn't much left of his body, it was scattered far and wide, and mains pressure blood sure goes around 30 feet in all directions.
4x4 owner had faulty brakes and caused the accidents, but got off with a few points and a paltry fine.
Yes, I still ride a bike every day, no reason to give up what I enjoy.
Sure, I've seen a lot of accidents-and it could have happened something similar, but obviously due to physics restriction not something like that. Oh, and what did you say? The car FLIPPED? With a bike inside it? And the bike DID NOT got out and remained inside the car? And the back side of the motorcycle had no impact? Give me a break...
I believe it's probably a "modern-art" thing at some exhibition and nothing more.
Sorry Jimmy but the bike in question is a VFR750R RC45, capable of 160mph straight out of the box.
Race going fettled examples can easily acheive 190mph
Actually it wasn't just the driver at fault, Sweden's top speed limit is 110/120km/h (which closely matches the UK's 70mph).
The motorcyclist was going way too fast, even if the person hadn't been on the phone they probably wouldn't have had time to react either way.
The other week I nearly ran a pedal cyclist over at a junction as he came straight across the front of the bonnet on a cycle lane in dark clothes with no lights on, and then he had the cheek to put his middle finger up at me and start shouting obscenities, next time I wont bother with the emergency stop and he can be thrown into the path of a lorry on Winwick Road.
i have seen 110 mhp crash and i think it could have been true i would think 155mph honda is also possable and not to hard to get a bike that will do 150 right out of the box. if you have the cash you can get any thing to ga fast.
http://www.polisen.se/Global/www och Intrapolis/Informationsmaterial/01 Polisen nationellt/Engelskt informationsmaterial/Road_Safety_Policy_eng070831_webb.pdf
i dont know any thing else as of yet.
http://stockholm.usembassy.gov/a-presentation-of-the-swedish-police.pdf
seems there maybe a type of national police dept in sweeden
I've never said that there is not a need for educating people about road safety, but those who advocate it should do so honestly.
here is a pic of a gen 3 (91) 750 vfr from the right side, note no swing arm
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/honda_vfr_750_r_-_rc_30_1989.php
The bike was removed to be able to remove all the bodies and blood and mess etc, it was then reassembled for the display. Maybe it was not placed as accurately as some might like, but the display still does it's job as a warning.
And does it really matter if the rider ended up in or out of the car? Or if the bike was doing 100, 200 or 250 kph? Or if the car did or didn't roll?
The warning is there. Slow down and pay attention when driving and riding.