Troy Hurtubise claims that he's invented a machine, dubbed the Angel Light, that can see through walls. It doesn't really matter what the wall is made of: wood, ceramic, steel, tin, titanium, even lead. The Angel Light can see right through it, just as if a window had opened up in the wall. Of course, he built this thing in his garage (where else?). The idea for the invention came to him in a dream, and he built it without the aid of any blueprints, drawings or schematics. Although Troy may hope to one day be known throughout the world as the inventor of the Angel Light, he's already well known as the inventor of the URSUS MARK VII, a suit that can help a man withstand the attack of a Grizzly Bear (see that suit in the right corner of the thumbnail? That's the Grizzly suit). So from Grizzly Bear suits to Machines That Can See Through Walls. No one can accuse him of not having an interesting resume.
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Actually the mkVI was tested against bears. It scared a female grizzly so bad she wouldn't go near it. Then it was put in (empty) with a huge male Kodiak bear, they found out that the chainmail joints would not stand up... that is why there is a mkVII.
"Motorola Inc. for example, has set its sights on emerging technology that could allow first responders and Special Forces to see through building walls, the Washington Technology Web site reports."
"Camero Inc. an Israeli firm founded by technology and intelligence veterans, received $5 million from Motorola and other investors to develop portable imaging radar that uses ultra-wideband technology to create a 3-D picture of objects that are concealed by walls or other barriers."
Troy's claim is that this device lets one see directly through the wall by turning the wall invisible, not imaging what is hidden on the other side. You can see that is a little above and beyond what those other companies are doing, and also why it is such a contentious subject.
Ok, I stand corrected then.
"It has been rumored though that at the request of the French Government, this demonstration, will not include looking through walls. But will instead demonstrate the E.M.P. effect. He is also trying to determine if he can remove the effect harmful to living organisms. As he stated that he will sell it to no one if he cannot do so.(a bit of a cop out I know, you don't have to point that out.)"
A BIT of a cop-out? Seems to me that, under these circumstances, the "demonstration" is pointless. Hell, *I* can whip up something that will generate electro-magnetic energy if you let me root around in some stores that sell surplus stuff. It's the "see-through walls" part of his claim that's interesting (and which violates the known laws of physics.) Without that, he ain't got squat. Fake, fake fake. Did I mention fake?
Sometimes I can't help rooting for the underdog though. I know I'll get burned more often than the average bear, but it is so sweet when you're right.
i'm the same. i just love that boxing match where the unbeatable mike tyson gets sat on his arse by the unknown buster douglas. however what we have to remember is that this 'cheering for the underdog' is the specific emotional human quality that troy hurtubise is exploiting in us. and i suspect he's very savvy about this.
Hurtubise talks about being followed, his house bugged and important figures such as Clinton and Prince Charles calling him, how he has Nobel laureate friends, FBI and NSA have room high file stacks on him, how big business is also out to get him, etc.
I think that, unless he is some Andy Kaufman type of extreme professional jokester, he is clearly delusional and exhibits several F20.0 (paranoid schizophrenia) symptoms. I think Hurtubise needs prompt evaluation of his mental health, not public ridicule.
This is not a medical opinion.
"Hurtubise talks about being followed, his house bugged and important figures such as Clinton and Prince Charles calling him, how he has Nobel laureate friends, FBI and NSA have room high file stacks on him, how big business is also out to get him, etc."
Well, what you would expect to happen to a guy who invented a machine that can see through walls? Look at what happened to the guy who invented that pill that you add to water to turn it into gasoline. Imagine how screwed-up the world would be if we couldn't run our SUV's on H2O!
Seriously, does anyone STILL want to defend this fake? STILL think you're going to see something Earth-shattering on the 17th?
I, too, tend to root for underdogs, but nothing in that implies that you have to root for ASSHOLES (or the mentally ill.)
http://rwwhite.com/NET/safe/bears.html
Gotta go, I'm off to see if Blockbuster has a copy of "Project Grizzley"!
If you disable an object's field then it can't bounce back light with that field, being deactivated. Thus you can see through it. This also explains why it kills animals and assumingly people as well, no one can live without their field. Though I did find it odd that he would subject himself to the energy beam without protection.
If he wears his bear suit then it doesn't affect him - Is he turning into Doctor Doom?
Who needs the laws of physics... Would that be the electro magnetic force that binds the electrons to the nucleus? If you turn it off wouldn't the electrons fly off into space? Now THAT would be something to see.
Honestly, Newton would be spinning in his grave (if the correct force was applied and his grave was a frictionless void)
I'm back to check up on the thread for fun. First things first.
1) Adam - i read your post. Good luck with life i wish you the best. you have a right to be the way you are. I am different. I have a right to have fun and make fun of idiots. I am comfortable being the way I am, I hope you are too.
2) feb 17! TWO days! I love it! It's gonna be fun
3) that american anti-grav interview is the funniest thing i have ever heard. You gotta hear this degenerate speak. Too much to list but it's hilarious - you owe it to yourself to listen to it from beginning to end. very very funny. if you still believe this guy can invent anything useful then you should seek help. I'm not even being sarcastic here (strangely enough). Honestly, if you believe there is even the slightest chance this angelshite works after you hear the interview you REALLY SHOULD SEEK HELP.
4) Im starting to get worried that this forum is just extra publicity for this idiot and all these people posting here saying they believe it could work for him/be him...
Two days and counting...
P.S. mr hubblebubble if you are reading this or posting here and your invetion works I can get you 10bn for it. So there is a decision for you to make. 10bn if it works, you are a crazy wannabe inventor if it doesnt. hows that?
"If you disable an object's field then it can't bounce back light with that field, being deactivated."
Where did you learn physics from, Zetetalk.com? "Disable an objects electrical/magnetic field"? Does a brick have an electric field? A magnetic field? Do you even know what that is?
Go to an used bookstore and pick up an old highschool physics textbook. You'll be surprised how much you can learn about the world if you know just a bit about real science.
It is possible that at least the electrons are slowed down enough in their rotation speed that they are "translucent", aka their field of being is weakened thus lessening the likelihood of collision with light particles. Although disabling the field of being entirely would cause the wall to fall apart, or at least allow just about anything to push it around.
I don't put too much stock in physics explaining everything as there are some things that still need proper explaining which laws fo physics don't cover.
"I don't put too much stock in physics..."
That's pretty apparent, as you seem blissfully ignorant of the subject. The laws of physics do pretty well when it comes to practical applications, like lightbulbs, your computer, your telephone, radio, TV, making your car run, and millions of other usefull things
Just what sort of things are you thinking of that aren't covered by the laws of physics? Alien abduction? The Bermuda triangle? Cold fusion? Alchemy? The Angel light?
The fact remains that Mr.Hubretis hasn't been able to prove his device works. His interviews demonstrate that he's either a liar or delusional (or both).
You are correct in thinking that the laws of physics won't "explain" how it works, but that's because it doesn't work. Not because of any failing on the part of science.
Perhaps ghosts are fields of being that have separated from the matter that once resonated those fields?
Oh, and try this experiment sometime: take two marbles and have one hit another directly at a high speed, the first one slightly changes direction and slows down while the second one just moves away. But if the second marble is rapidly spinning it won't move as much when the first marble hits, and the first marble will actually bounce back a fair deal. This is the field of being I am talking about, merely an overall result of the individual spinnings of components. If not for the spinning, there would be less "bouncing back" collision with that object and the object would slowly fall apart due to weathering of constant collision by anything that hits it, especially light.
"[T]here are ghosts for instance. I know there are ghosts because in one instance, my mother has 10 siblings and she, her siblings, and her mother were all able to see a ghost perfectly fine in one of the places they used to live at. I severely doubt it was mass delusion, and once my grandmother comforted the ghost enough it passed on."
Well, THAT proves it! Gee, all those scientists working for decades, investigating things like that and all they had to do was ask your mom. Silly scientists!
Seriously, WHY do you "severely doubt it was mass delusion"? You are obviously aware of that phenomenon, so why discount it out of hand? Is it because you happen to know the people involved? Do you somehow believe that that makes them immune from mass delusion? Is it because there was a dozen or so people involved? Um, you have to have a mass before you can have mass delusion.
How, too, do you determine when a ghost is "comforted?" "It" left so "it" was "comforted?" Circular reasoning much?
As for your marble thing, uh, know ANYTHING about transfer of energy? Believe it or not, linear force CAN be converted into rotational force. This is hardly a secret except, perhaps, from you.
You guys take things way too seriously, and refuse to believe things that don't fit in the tiny box you have self-constructed.
All I'm saying is that the machine prevents reactional collisions in the matter it is directed at from happening, thus only passive collisions in the concerning matter can occur. I'm just notgood at remembering the right terms to use is all.
Relax, if it is real, just be glad you're not standing right in front of it!
PS - Mr. Hurturbise wanted me to let you know that I am his CPA and would take the appropriate actions with any investments you would like to make with the company.
>>that american anti-grav interview is the funniest thing i have ever heard<<
A few tidbits:
1. Troy claims someone from the University of Toronto says he's "20 years ahead of the military" (I think in reference to his heat paste).
2. Troy claims he's been contacted by Prince Charles and President Clinton regarding his inventions.
3. Troy says some of his "closest friends" are "Nobel Lauretes." (Perhaps he means his Ig-Noble friends?)
4. Troy laments that the only reason his inventions aren't given credence is "because (he) has no Ph.d."
5. We can't get information about any of his inventions because that would prevent him from getting the $$ they're worth, either from some government of some big company. But he can't sell them to anyone, because potential buyers always want a "lion's share," leaving him with practically nothing for his efforts. Neat little catch/22 that excuses him from giving anyone any actual information about his inventions.
Meanwhile, for the inventions he has sold (ex: fire paste), he has no information about who has it and what they're doing with it. You'd have to track down "some guy in Toronto" and ask him.
Also, he doesn't know why any of his inventions work and/or he doesn't know exactly what's in them (fire paste again). And, he doesn't have enough money for a full analysis...only a partial one. He doesn't know, and can't find out. Golly.
6. The day before the interview an "eminent physicist from Germany called..."
7. Didn't know this until I listened to this interview: the Angel Light goes through "time space!" (Not space-time, time-SPACE.)
8. Also didn't know this: you can nuke a rose with the Angel Light and "keep it alive indefinitely" because "plants are different" from humans! Wow!
9. He's "also an historian in war" (not of war), he has the ultimate military weapon that can be modified "to boost it into space" AND he has "military contacts up the ying-yang!" Sounds like the makings of a global dictator, albeit not a very educated one, but maybe it'll be fun.
I've got to agree...it's 30 minutes long but well worth the time. :lol:
"[F]or the inventions he has sold (ex: fire paste), he has no information about who has it and what they're doing with it. You'd have to track down "some guy in Toronto" and ask him.
"Also, he doesn't know why any of his inventions work and/or he doesn't know exactly what's in them (fire paste again). And, he doesn't have enough money for a full analysis...only a partial one. He doesn't know, and can't find out. Golly."
And you have a PROBLEM with that?? If I remember, when Thomas Edison was asked how the incandescent bulb worked, he replied, "Uh, I dunno. You'd have to ask a guy in Toronto about that."
I mean, sheesh, you can't expect a guy who's invented an absolutely world-shaking machine to know how the things works! He just fooled around in his garage for a while with some spare parts and some Diet Coke and VOILA, a change in the time-space thingie.
Seriously, does anyone STILL want to defend this whack-job?? The demo's tomorrow. Anyone want to bet me that absolutely nothing of interest comes out of it? I'm going with "yes."
"Mr. Hurturbise wanted me to let you know that I am his CPA and would take the appropriate actions with any investments you would like to make with the company."
Wow, sounds great! Can I use recycled plastic bottle caps to invest with, instead of money? Oops, sorry, wrong discussion thread. My bad.
P.S. Which of you is actually the CPA, Mark or Jen?
Yes you can invest in the company with your recycled plastic bottle caps. However, due to constraints you will have to ship those items directly to the inventors lab. (I think there's a switch on the Angel-light that will reconstruct their molecules into gold)
As for who's the CPA... does it really matter with this guy (oldbushie or Mr. Hurtubise) or these claims or these supposed inventions??? If you must know the CPA in the family is actually our gnome. All questions to him will have to be delayed however as he's currently away on a scuba trip. 😉
Here's to the 17th...
Is there any new info yet? Was everybody vaporized by the demonstration?
😉
Frankly, what surprised me was the lack of gloating from;
Phil Novak (was he the reporter that got vaproized?)
Lawson Reilly
Lucky
Rob
JTF
neutral
Fizzicyst(the "working" physicist)
mox
Prometheus(the guy who didn't like my ribbing)
Bob
skeptical... but(that should be, "but, not really)
and, let's not forget
oldbushie
Where are these guys? Cmon! Stand up and take a bow. Rub our noses in it. I know I would have rubbed YOUR noses in it if the test had failed.
OK, now I'm just being a jerk. I'll shut up now.
And I'm just a college student who likes to hypothesize ways in which impossible things could work, I have no real vested interest in the invention though the idea itself is intriguing.
A much simpler idea is that the device actually absorbs energy, thus keeping the light on its side coming towards it and light on the other side is pulled through the wall. Among other things. If it were energy *being* blasted then it would probably prevent light from making it through the wall.
I'm not saying that what I think is absolute truth or claiming that this is indeed what is going on, I'm just speculating... and if it does work I'm no braggart. They would still have to determine exactly what his machine does to cause the effect.
you are either hoplessly ignorant of real science, or trolling for flame. I suspect the first, though. You're in college, so why don't you take an introductory physics class? It would really open your eyes to what science and physics are all about.
It seems like you got your knowledge of physics from comic books, science fiction novels, and Star trek re-runs. Those are all works of FICTION.
You're 20 years old fer'chrissakes. Put the Manga away and start acting like a grown-up. Your parents aren't sending you to college so you can waste your time and talents in make-believe land. The real world is much more interesting.
Learn about it.
"Oh, I'm surprised you havn't heard already. The demo went off great. Troy said that the secret French millitary guys were "VERY impressed" and that the observers from MIT and CERN said they would have to "rewrite all the physics books". Turns out Promethius et al were 100% right about it and CrankyMediaGuy, Joesixpack, and all the other narrow-minded flat-earthers had to eat their words."
Well, is my face red! I mean, if Troy says it went well, it MUST have. Who could doubt the inventor of the Amazing Bear-Proof Suit Mark Something-or-other?
Someone please tell me where and when the burning of all the physics text books in existance is going to take place.
As always with these sort of stories, there's never a follow-up story. Novak needed to fill up space in his newspaper, so he did what newsmen have been doing since the invention of the press.
He wrote a story about a crack-pot with some outlandish claim, and rather than doing any fact checking, he simply "accepted" the claims at face value and ran the story. Why not confirm the claims? Because then there'd be no story.
Crazy claims get more people to read, and more people reading equals more ad revenue. Look at all the hits to his news website that this forum has generated.
Novak doesn't care whether or not he has any journalistic credibility so long as people keep reading his crap.
This is guy is definitively delusional - for proof listen to the interview...
Troy has invented many important things... and people should respect him... but noo, you people have to ack the same way people acted when some people suggested the world was round instead of flat >_>...
={ Troy's Fire Paste and Blast sheilds are not to be taken lightly... I can get the firepaste from any hardware store... and it IS his invention... so =P
"Troy has invented many important things... and people should respect him... but noo, you people have to ack the same way people acted when some people suggested the world was round instead of flat >_>..."
So, we should believe Troy when he says that his invention (which he has never demonstrated) will revolutionize physics and that he is in touch with Prince Charles and Bill Clinton?
The bottom line is Troy has made extraordinary claims that he is either unable or unwilling to demonstrate (I'm betting on the former). The real question here is, in the absence of any facts, why do you BELIEVE him?
"Novak isn't a crack, and neither is Troy... If you'd search a little more, you'd find a recent radio interview with Troy regarding Angel Light..."
Novak sure isn't much of a journalist. And Troy STILL can't make his invention work in front of any reliable witnesses, even with a radio interview.
"but noo, you people have to ack the same way people acted when some people suggested the world was round instead of flat"
Why is it that you credulous illiterates always make that comparison? You always like to pretend you're Galileo or Colombus, a visionary genius surrounded by narrow minded morons who are frightened by progress. Pull your head out of the pseudoscience and pseudohistory and ask yourself what it is the sceptics seem to know that you don't. Spending all your spare time watching the Discovery channel and listening to "Coat to Coast AM Radio" is not the equivalent of an education. In fact, it's the opposite
Turn off the TV and open a book.
LOOK AT ALL THE GREAT STUFF TROY INVENTED!!!!
And they have interveiws with troy from like a radio!
All but Angel Light has been proven!!! Give him some credit, and once he's worked out the dagerous parts, we'll get our demonstration...
Troy has no reason to lie about it... everything he has invented has been amazing, and everything he has done has been true and proven...
He is not a crackpot... he just doesn't have a high class education in the fields he invents...
I can put things to gether and get something awesome too... I'm just not that creative...
Troy is a classic inventor in the coolest way!
I'm glad someone that doesn't know much about physics is giving physics majors a run for their money.
And we are NOT illiterates you asshole...
I too beleive that your all acting like the standard in historical disbileif and traditional laughing at amazing claims...
Who's laughing now, once we invent a deathray to destroy you all >:D hahahaha!!!
It's pretty obvious that the only reason people do believe his claims about the "angel light" is because they think "it would be neat if it really worked". Lot's of things would be "pretty neat if they worked", but that's not reason enough to put our faith in them. Let's face facts and accept that the only thing invisible about his ray-gun is ANY proof that the invention works.
You said, "try to keep an open mind...". Well, the sceptics here seem to be the only ones open minded to the probability that Troy is lying.
And, yes, Troy "thinks outside the box", but that's not really worthy of any praise unless he actually accomplishes something. Not every 'misunderstood dreamer" is a genius. Most aren't, in fact, most are nut-cases.
"[M]aybe Troy didn't make an invisible ray but atleast he's trying and maybe one day somebody will, but try to keep an open mind and maybe a little imagination."
He didn't claim to have invented an invisibility ray, but a ray that allows you to see through solid objects, not exactly the same thing.
The problem here, Mike, is not that Troy is TRYING to invent something but that he claimed to have ALREADY INVENTED it. He says he's done it, but he can't prove it. Why should we believe him under those circumstances?
If you (or anyone else) want to work on a ray that can see through things, knock yourself out. It's probably a waste of time, but it's your time to waste. If you say you have actually done it though, why should we NOT call you a liar if you refuse or are unable to demonstrate your claim?
If he actually DID it, it wouldn't require an "open mind" to simply observe and marvel at his invention. It would be right there, out in the open, for anyone to see.
He said he would demonstrate it on the 17th. He didn't. Simple. He's full of shit. Period.
You know he's reading this forum, and he's going to show up at your front door in the Ursus MK VII weilding a fucking axe.
Oooh, that'd make a great B movie. Full of un-"bear"-able horror.
Do you think we would get to know. They will kill him first. Just like the bloke who invented a car that could run on water.
Pete
"You know he's reading this forum, and he's going to show up at your front door in the Ursus MK VII weilding a fucking axe."
i think you need not worry...'weilding' is not within the capeablities of the wearer of an Ursus MK V11. He's basically imobile in the get up so just tip him backwards. but keep in mind that after he crashes down the front-door steps, his assistants will pry off his helmet, stick a ciggy in his gob and Troy will triumphantly pronounce this latest test of the Ursus V11 a resounding success.
" They will kill him first. Just like the bloke who invented a car that could run on water."
You're kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding.
He is under pressure from many governments about this invention... the local news was alowed to slip some info to the public... but Governments dont want this to get out...
So we will be lucky to see what his invention can do... but we may not if the government wants it secret...
"O_o Troy has never lied before... so therefore you have no reason to beleive he is lying..."
Oh? So he HAS been in contact with Prince Charles and Bill Clinton, received $40,000 from unnamed French people AND invented a machine which violates the known laws of physics?
"He is under pressure from many governments about this invention... the local news was alowed to slip some info to the public... but Governments dont want this to get out..."
And you know this how? Which governments are putting pressure on him? If you know that some are, then you must know which ones, right? Tell, please.
As for local news "slipping some of this out," uh, Troy contacted news people and TOLD them about his "invention." He also announced that he would have a demonstration, which appears not to have taken place.
"So we will be lucky to see what his invention can do... but we may not if the government wants it secret..."
It's fun to make up stories, isn't it?