MOH Forum: Our life itself is the biggest lie

Our life itself is the biggest lie

Posted By:
leo777
Apr 23, 2005

The fact is that we all live a lie.According to where we come from.

I was born in Russia during the Cold War.

And you know what,they never tought us in school that a russian by name Igor
Sikorsky invented the helicopter.And the names of Wassily Kandinsky(famous
artist)and igor Stravinsky(famous composer)never were mentioned in Russian
education system and many others because of political reasons.They left to
the West and were considered as a traitors to Communist Russia.

So what are we tought in schools is a reflection of what our govervents and
cultures believe in.

THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE WORLD IS THE BIGGEST HOAX OF THEM ALL.

Category: History; Replies: 197

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Queen	Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 \| 05:50 PM And start counting mistypings,misspellings and missing words in my messages.
Nobody	Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 \| 08:15 PM As Leo said "The Truth is Out There"(X-Files.)
Mark-N-Isa in Midwest USA Member	Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 \| 08:55 PM LEO, Your last message to me, where in WORLD did ANY of it come from? What do I care that you're posts' are full of misspellings??? Since I've NEVER mentioned spelling at all??? Did it have something to do with you re-posting..."Whye do wee not dysregarde all rvlse of spellyng, lyke thay dyd before pvblyc edvcatyon?" You aren't even smart enough to realize that was posted by SOMEONE ELSE! Now you're blowing me shit for what other people post? As for me pointing out your knowledge of English... this all started because YOU were telling all the Yanks about their understanding of English. People were telling you that you're PLACE of education wasn't clear and you argued that it was! Re-read the thread again, not that it will help, but give it a try! (You might be able to speak English but you sure don't seem to understand it when it's coming to you) And who cares a bit about your friends? What do they have to do with ANYTHING? Oh, that's right... you aren't MAN enough to answer questions? You call yourself a debater, but yet will spout any drivel necessary to avoid answering mine... I thought you could debate? I've asked you 3 questions, 3 different times. You can't, or are just to wimpy, to answer even 1 of them... because you KNOW if you answer any of them it'll prove my point... THAT THE YANKS WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN YOU, WHAT IS CONVEYED BY A STATEMENT MADE IN ENGLISH! Do you avoid anwering EVERY question posed EVERY time you're in a debate? Seems to be your record here...
Nobody	Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 \| 09:11 PM I've red the whole thread.A big issue was made about mispellings and mistypings.I speak Swedish and English.English is my 2nd language. Apperently Queen went through the whole thread too.
Nobody	Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 \| 10:02 PM Hi Mark-N-Jen. I found the statement that Queen used in his(her) message. But the point is, that it was a statement only,he (she) never related it to you in any way.I think it was related to the whole thread.But the point was a good one.No offense.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 \| 01:30 AM I think it's safe to assume Queen is a she. Unless Queen really is a Queen.
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 \| 06:39 AM Thanks for attacking my itty-bitty post about WWII. I mean "not affecting us", in the sense that Hitler wasn't beating down our door & pulling us into the streets. It was still across the ocean. Yes, we were supplying, and training with the British. But our troops were not yet being called up to go to war. Americans didn't want to go to war. It was only when our Naval station was attacked that we went into this thing with blazing guns. Screw this. If Big Bad DUBYA hadn't gone into Iraq (for whatever damn reasons you think it was for, I don't care - shut yer trap!), those people would still be ruled by fear & hate. Saddam would still be killing people for no reason, and exploiting his own damn people. I say, pull our troops out & let them all fucking go to their own devices. Their entire police force had to be re-hired with HONEST people. It's taken months to build up a small force of trustworthy, reliable men & women. Let their suicide bombers drive their 1980 Puegots into a school full of women and children for all I care. It's ridiculous the amount of time people spend arguing about how TERRIBLE war is. Hell yes, war is bad. Was life under Hussein BETTER? Fuck all the damn wars. Fuck all the damn foreigners who don't want our troops, and only want our money. Or DO want our troops, but expect nobody to be killed. I love the pictures of the dead babies - attributed to American soldiers, b/c what, it was only after U.S. involvement that innocents began to die? No. It was just after our fucking media got their filthy cameras in that it started to be OUR fault. Who cares about the war of 1812? I sure as hell don't. I care about the fact that my sister didn't want to take her trip to France, b/c the stories she heard of how hated Americans are there, she was worried she wouldn't enjoy her trip. Fuck that. I say that Americans stop vacationing outside of the U.S. for a few years. Hell, let's stop fucking buying oranges from Brazil. Florida has oranges! If we stopped buying foreign garbage and used our own damn supplies...the rest of the world would see that we're a lot more helpful when we're spending our dough. Also, I think it would be a good idea if we closed our borders. Who wants Canadian nurses anyhow??????????? Thank you, this has been a diatribe by Maegan. P.S. I won't be responding to any of this. I got really good and mad for a few minutes, and I'm over it.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 \| 01:00 PM Wow. All I can say, Maegan, is I'm not voting for you.
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 \| 03:21 PM Wow, I'm sorry I missed all that. And then I read Maegan's post (Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 \| 06:39 AM). I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again (but never to a regular before). It's really brave of you to come in and spout off a bunch of inflammatory bullshit, and then leave. Honestly, what the hell was going through your head when you typed all of that out and then refused to reply to any comments that were the result of your rant? I honestly cannot believe the number of people who believe, like you do, that the US invading Iraq (for no cause other than the almighty dollar) was actually a good thing. And I also agree with part of what you said. Every US citizen who believes like you do SHOULD refuse to buy anything that is produced in another country. What percentage of your water, power, and food comes from other countries? Just see where that gets you. If I have to explain what I mean here, then I don't think I'll bother. It's not really worth my (or anyone else's) time. Although, I must admit that your post proved the point that people believe what their government (or other people in power) teaches them, and not what actually happened. You are, unfortunately, a prime example of why many people hate the arrogance of the american public at large. Do some studying about war. Many wars, preferably. The more you learn, the more actual knowledge you will be able to apply to the current world situation, and future situations.
Mark-N-Isa in Midwest USA Member	Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 \| 03:52 PM Rod, Surely you must agree though that in the wake of 9/11 IF Bush had chosen to do nothing... He would have been raked over the coals for that decision as well. No matter what you do, it's gonna be your ass. Everyone can't be made happy. There are some major problems with it all... but what other choices were there? We've been taking shit off of that twerp (Bin Laden) since 1998 when he started bombing embassy locations in Africa. He's been taking "innocent" American (and other nationalities) lives for at least the past 8 years if not more. 9/11 was merely the closest to home, and therefore most widely publicized and abhored part of a documented history of attacks against America. I do NOT believe that the invasion of Iraq is a good thing IN ANY WAY... but unfortunately it was unavoidable. Unavoidable not because of any one man, or agenda, but because of several of both. People - Bin Laden and other facist extremist groups, Saddam and other "power-thirsty" dictators like him, AND financially driven, pompus and egotistical leaders of Western nations like Mr. Bush. Agendas - Fanatical belief in anything, religion or otherwise is foolish and capable of being exploited. Capatilism is also to blame because it takes the focus off of being a decent "person" and puts it on profit. Worhipping profit is just as foolish as worshipping some deity. Seriously though... what do you think the outcome would have been if Bush hadn't acted in response to this latest attack by Bin Laden? I think it would have been his ass. Voters would have made sure his tenure was over and no matter what anyone says... a terrorist act is SURELY harder to carry out today than it was 5 years ago!
Mark-N-Isa in Midwest USA Member	Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 \| 05:41 PM PS Leo - If, as you stated..."because this Forum is dominated by people from USA,which accidently my home." the USA is accidentally your home and you think we and our actions are SO un-noble then why not "purposely" make home somewhere else? Bet I know the answer to that one. Our killing 200,000 civilians was an un-noble way to win a war? Nobility begats nobility. Again, are you familiar with "The Rape of Nanking" and the atrocities that went on there. After Japan committed acts of that caliber they should consider themselves lucky that they, as a nation and people, still exist! What they did to the Chinese was along the lines of what the Germans were doing to the Jewish... both of which are acts that are FAR worse than America using the A-bomb on Japan. I never said that I didn't think you were partially right on some parts. The bombing may have very well been a warning to the USSR... but it wasn't by any means the "main" reason for it! That's just silly. As for thinking that the only reason the USA was involved in WWII was because of Communism..."The Communism was the main issue.And the spread of it.As a victim of Communism myself I am not taking sides here.But that was the main reason Americans entered the Europian scene,and dropping nuclear bombs on 2 unfortunate japanise sities was a warning signal to Communists(Soviet Union)." I mean, that's so completely out there it's not even worthy of consideration. Isolationism was rampant at the time, we watched Hitler have his way, we watched Japan rapidly expand their sphere of influence, Italy was grabbing whatever it could, Stalin was well known to be guilty of major and massive "crimes against humanity" and all the while America did nothing. Because we didn't care about anyone but ourselves. We didn't enter WWII to stop the spread of Communism, because it's spread wasn't seen as a threat before the end of the war, and even if..."WE DIDN'T CARE!" America entered the war BECAUSE it's hand was forced into it by Japan! Then you say... "And why would any country finish the war in such inhuman fashion.Killing 200.000 civilians.Come on man.Give me a brake.Use your brain." Well give me a break and YOU use your brain. If you were the commander what choice would you make? Spend an estimated 1,000,000 American lives invading Japan OR spend 200,000 enemy civilian lives by dropping the bomb? Would you really send off 1,000,000 of your countrymen as opposed to using the new-found weapon? Guess we know why your not big in politics... a thought process like yours! Later on you state... "Yes,most of Europian cities involved in WWII were devestated just like Hiroshima and Nagasaki. With one little difference.People had a chance to get to the bomb shelters.And there was no radiation issues.Think of Chernobol.Many people of those two cities suffered from horrible radiation related diseases for years after the bombing." First off... the extent of radiation dangers wasn't fully known in the 1940's. As for the European bombing victims having a chance. How so? People had a chance to get to bomb shelters? So what, did the USA and UK call ahead of time to warn them that the bombs were coming? Anyone in Hiroshima or Nagasaki had the same chance as anyone else to get to a bomb shelter. Just like Chary said there is NO honor in war. If they wanted honorable treatment from the rest of the world then maybe they should've checked their aggression and their own dishonorable actions prior to it coming to this!
Pinhead	Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 \| 09:29 PM What is the difference between the Greek-Roman mythology and the Old Testament? Actually there is none.
Sharruma in capable of finishing a coherent Member	Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 \| 10:08 PM First thing that comes to mind is Polytheism Vs Monotheism Sounds like quite a difference to me
Pinhead	Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 \| 10:52 PM Polytheism Vs Monotheism!? Sorry,I think you have missed the point. All the characters are fictional.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 \| 11:12 PM Yaweh, or whatever the kids call him these days, is boring. The Greek Gods were interesting and falliable, human even. Of course some Greeks viewed Zeus as infinite and perfect, just as some Christians think of God with human character. Wait-what was the point again?
DFStuckey	Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 \| 04:03 AM This revolves around the collary to democracy, the Assumption Of Universal Ignorance. "I don't know anything about that. They say they know about it. I am just as good as they are. Therefore, they don't know anything either and are making it up."
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 \| 01:03 PM Ya know, I think I can completely agree with that post by MNJ...I'm sorry I pissed people off, and I even noted that. I don't really piss off easily, and when I do, it's short lived. There are 2 political groups in this country. The Democrats will hate everything the Republicans do, unless it suits their own agenda, and the Republicans will hate everything the Democrats do, unless, again, it's suits their own agenda! (Okay, there's the greens...but REALLY, Nader is never gonna get into the White House.) Each group is going to rake the other's political parties over the coals regardless of what is happening. If a Democrat had been elected to President, the Republicans would be screeching their heads off about whatever HE had decided to do after 9/11. War is bad. War is always bad. Often times when someone decides that talking has not gotten them far enough on a road to "peace", they've got to start throwing punches...after all, a gaping wound in the head helps you hear better, right? (Class, does anyone recognize where the sarcasm is in that paragraph?) I wasn't necessarily defending one thing over another. Sometimes war happens, we can support what's going on, w/o agreeing with it. After all, some kids join the military hoping for a better education, and end up driving tanks through the desert 3 weeks after graduation. I'm not going to run through the streets calling them baby killers. For those who don't know, my mother is retired Army (22 yrs), my brother just graduated from basic training at Lackland AFB, and my youngest brother joined the Marines last week. I am very pro-military. It doesn't mean I like war, or I like that fact that more & more men & women are going overseas to fight other people's battles. I was just saying, SHIT HAPPENS. Everyone has a different perspective on it. Either it was fabulous, and a smart political move, or it was stupid, and the political asses who decided it should have their eyes poked with red-hot-fiery pokers! I said I wasn't going to respond, b/c what could I say? I thought my post said it all. Events happened, it doesn't really matter why anymore... People like to have opinions. And Rod, it's okay...you can keep being sarcastic. My intentions of not responding was so that a flame war wouldn't erupt. It's stupid to argue over stuff like this. Why does it matter?
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 \| 02:31 PM MnJ... "Surely you must agree though that in the wake of 9/11 IF Bush had chosen to do nothing... He would have been raked over the coals for that decision as well." Politicians will take shit for every bad thing that ever happens, and will also take shit for every good thing that happens. That's just how it is. So yes, I definately agree with you there. I believe that the war was unavoidable, too. Although I blame human nature for wanting to fight in the first place, not some excuse about terrorists. But there's where you lost me... How does the US claim that they were invading Iraq to remove the mass-destrucion weapons relate to the Twin Towers terrorist attack? I really, really, REALLY fail to see the 9/11 attack as any sort of reason to invade Iraq. Maegan... "...it's okay...you can keep being sarcastic. " Umm, but Maegan, I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Really. I've got nothing against peopple's opinions, as long as they're informed opinions. Okay, and this is TOTALLY off topic, but on-topic for the last series of posts in this thread. I thought about where to post this next part, and this seemed the best place, because of the current conversation... I read the transcript of Alex's CNN thingy the other day. Unlike most people (probably) I read the whole page, and not just the story relating to Alex's appearance. Lower on the page was a fairly large propaganda piece on North Korea and Kim Sung Il. What I came away with after reading this was that the US is gearing up to kick the shit out of North Korea. Read it, and think about it. Why is there this high profile story saying how badly the government there treats its citizens (being starved, forced to dance, etc)? Coupled with... Why does the story try to make the government and the whole country look like it is still primitive? Coupled with... Why is the the story making NK out as a military agressor who may soon need to be put in their place? If you put these three things together, is this not just an announcement that this is where they'll be headed next (If they ever decide they're finished in Iraq)? Which actually relates to this thread in that people will hear and believe what the people in power WANT them to hear and believe. So I guess I wasn't that off topic after all, now, was I?
Mark-N-Isa in Midwest USA Member	Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 \| 05:55 PM Rod, I don't believe I said, and if I did I didn't mean to, that the US invasion of Iraq was related to the twin towers bombings. This whole WMD thing is a load of crap in my opinion anyway. I've never bought it, and even if it's true they aren't going about the whole thing in a way that helps me to believe it. In my opinion that was just their excuse. Should we be in Iraq? In my opinion, if Bin Laden or major Al-Qeida operations are there, then all bets are off. That goes for any other country as well who doesn't do what's possible to help bring these zealots to justice. If not, then we have NO right to be there at all. After pulling the shit he has Bin-Laden needs to answer for it and anyone who houses, hides, or protects him, or his operations (AQ) are fair game. At the same time, in my opinion America has become WAY too full of itself and has no right to install governments in other countries. But the situation in Iraq is VERY complicated. If a zealot, religous based government wasn't what the majority wanted than why hasn't the majority rooted out these terrorists and dealt with them? Even now after a democracy has been installed these terrorist acts continue. The US should go home and let the Iraqi people deal with their problems. Especially considering the costs... people's lives! About the only way I can see the invasion of Iraq being justified by the 9/11 events is that it is a known safe haven for these groups. We have the right, in my opinion, to be there only long enough to get the people responsible. After that, we should be GONE. As for my opinions on the whole North Korea thing... I don't think you said anything about it that I would disagree with at all. I don't believe that the USA, or anyone else, has the right to tell any other country that they can't pursue a nuclear arsenal as long as they themselves are in possession of one! We can have it but you can't! Human nature dictates a response along the lines of... "Well who the fuck are you?" and maybe even provides drive to get something even more. It's hypocrisy and discrimination. If the USA can possess them then why can't anyone else? Even if they are primitive war-mongers... North Korea IS NOT a US state or territory and therefore we have NO juridiction. Who the hell is the American government to decide who can have what? Yes, I agree that they are starting to lay the ground work for convincing the rest of the world that their upcoming actions are justified... but they aren't! Iran is almost certainly going to meet the same fate as NK as well. They aren't members of the U.N. and they aren't allies or possessions, so the USA should but out. But that's just my opinion as one of the un-important masses who get sent off to the dirty work attached to some rich politicians bull-shit policy! Maybe we should start up an off-topic politics thread??? 😖
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 01:13 AM MnJ... "Seriously though... what do you think the outcome would have been if Bush hadn't acted in response to this latest attack by Bin Laden?" That was where I got the idea that you were justifying the attack on Iraq with the 9/11 attack. You went from Iraq to 9/11, and I thought that you were still on the same subject. After reading your last post, I see what you meant. And looking at things from a realist point of view, I could justify war simply by saying that it's population control. The increasing human population of this planet is what is causing so many major problems. In reality, the fewer people, the better it is for the planet (to a point). I really would prefer that war did not exist, but in reality, it actually helps shit along. But that damned compassion thing where nobody wants anyone to ever get even a scratch just keeps getting in the way. It's tough to find a balance, because there probably is not one. I really find it hard to believe that so many people buy into such obvious propaganda as that article. It's just so obvious, at least to me. And, in a way, nothing political could be off topic in here, as we can only base our opinions of all of this crap on what we are allowed to see and hear. No? "Should we be in Iraq? In my opinion, if Bin Laden or major Al-Qeida operations are there, then all bets are off." How would you (or anyone) like to have their door broken down by the police, who said they have evidence of weapons in your house, but did not have any evidence? And when you PROVED the dicks who broke down your door did it for no reason, they stayed, redecorated your house, and had indecent relations with your pet? All because the police were looking for someone you once met at a party? What the US government did to Iraq equates directly to illegal search and seizure. They had absolutely no jurisdiction or reason to be there, but they made up an excuse so they could do what they want anyway. What it all boils down to, eventually, is that the US has no right to go anywhere and attack anyone. Neither does anyone else. People (and governments) have a right to defend themselves. They have NO right to just go and take what they want. Unlesss they want to, and nobody can stop them. As in the current US foreign affairs.
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 05:06 AM "What it all boils down to, eventually, is that the US has no right to go anywhere and attack anyone. Neither does anyone else. People (and governments) have a right to defend themselves. They have NO right to just go and take what they want." Sure, I agree with this...no one has the right to just go and take what they want...especially by force...but when they do, who will stop them? I'm not saying it's up to the U.S. to stop them, frankly, I don't think we should have to help anyone. Other countries have ASKED for our help. Remember the Tsunami distaster? The first video clips I saw had people screaming, "Where is American now, why aren't they helping?" We have been helping people for years. Funds to restart their countries after war (and if we got something out of helping, why shouldn't we? We're spending money that could go back into our country), teams of U.S. educated contractors... It's like people expect it. If we've helped one group of people, why shouldn't we just help them all? It's not fair to say "You get the helping hand of America...but not you, I don't like your sausage." We should just stop helping. I hate to say it, and I'd hate for that to actually happen...but if we pull our support (not just troops, but contractors, businessfolk...) and let everyone do it all on their own...then no one will expect it from us in the future. I'm having a hard time following the thread, b/c this is just not something that I'm up on, currently. So...Sorry Rod, I am once again, advising I'm going to stop replying & coming in here...if you really think I need to hear what you're going to say next...send me an email.
Mark-N-Isa in Midwest USA Member	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 04:01 PM Frankly... I'm just happy to be conversing with Rod again. :coolsmile: Now if he could just get that whole dial-up thing straightened out...
TheLostOne	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 09:44 PM Columbus! A hero? A villian? A hoax? I've heard it all. Here is an opinion of a well-educated african-american(or an Afrikan,living and teaching in the USA) on Columbus. I personally would disagree with the most of his statement ,nonetheless it is an opinion,that is without any question shared by many african-american people.Dr. Nantambu simply represents them. http://www.trinicenter.com/kwame/2001/Jul/20010713.htm
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 11:06 PM In the first place, Christopher Columbus was a smooth, slick, deceiving operator. He had many aliases; he was a con-man. In Italy, he was known as Cristoforo Colombo; in Portugal, he used thename Cristovao Colom; in Spain, he was Cristo Colombo. Seriously, doesn't this guy realize they're the same names? Of course, Columbus knew that meat needed seasoning because he studied navigational skills in Guinea, Afrika. No comment.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 \| 11:09 PM I have heard it said that Africans could have reached the New World, but only on the reed rafts they had at the time.
The Lost One	Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 \| 12:23 AM Citizen Premier, I have to say, that I feel the same way about the article(it's ludicrous). But at the same time, I think it's important to point out, how other cultures see the same thing in a different colour.
leo777	Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 \| 11:53 PM Mark-N-Jen. I have red your message. I am not looking for any fights and I don't have time to reply to all the messages.I am a very busy man.Let's put it to rest. To answer,why USA is my home. Because I love USA. Also I love New York City.I think it's the greatest city in the world.Some assholes did a damage to it's greatness.But it will rebound and will become a place of fun and culture,as it was few years ago. Leo. PS.Sorry if I had insaulted you in any way.
Leo 777	Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 \| 01:08 AM To the Forum: I just wanna get it all over with. On April 23rd I was surfing the Internet. By pure accident I ran into this Forum. It did seem like the right place to post my original message here(at this Forum),that was on my mind for many years.So I did. Tell you the truth,I am not sure I did the right thing.It didn't change my life in any way.I had insaulted few people and was insaulted by others. I've been feeling like an intruder. I didn't know who was who here.I didn't know that Smerk was a female.Most likely I would reply to her comments differently,if I knew that. I'd like to apologize to everybody at this Forum for being pain in the ass. I hope that this tread will fade away in a week or so. Leo.
leo777	Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 \| 01:19 AM Correction: I hope that this tread will fade away in a week or so. Should be: I hope that this thread will fade away in a week or so. Leo
Leo777	Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 \| 01:42 AM PS.This is a great forum.I just don't have time to get involved into any debates at present time,because it interferes with my work.My job is a very intensive mental work.My mind can not be destructed by anything. Maybe some day I will come back and join your club. Leo
ColdStone	Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 \| 04:22 PM I would recommend to read this article for educational purposes only.I am talking about statistics only.I don't share this guy's political views. It's been quite difficult to get any statistics on the Soviet Russia-Nazy Germany confrontation during WWII on the Web.Unfortunately this is the only website that have them. If you don't like it ,don't read it. "The truth is that the war against Hitler in Europe was fought mainly by the USSR and the Red Army. For most of the war the British and Americans were mere spectators". http://www.marxist.com/History/d_day_60yrs_1.html
ColdStone	Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 \| 05:08 PM Just look at the statics and the scale of the confrontation. What a madness? 2 countries,led by 2 supervillains.Astronomical casualties on both sites. Wars should be outlawed. Today is May.7.The war in Europe officially ended 60 years ago on May.7.1945. I dedicate my comments to the memory of all those who died during this colossal conflict of many nations on both sites: Americans,British,Russians,Jews,Italians,Germans,French,Polish,Romanians,Hungarians and many many others.
Evildream in You mamas house Member	Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 \| 07:44 PM leo shut the FU%K up... icecream rocks (coldstone)
ColdStone	Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 \| 08:32 PM Evildream. GO FU%K YOURSELF.Your dreams our evil in comparison to those of Cold Stone(Gargoyles-cartoon character),whose mind was confused.To call me Leo is plain stupid.This Forum is exposed to the whole World.All I can say is go pick your hinny with your fork and Have a nice nightmares. PS.I don't even bother to deal with people, who represent themselves as a Devil worshippers.Go to Hell.Where you belong.
ColdStone	Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 \| 09:27 PM Evildream. You've really pissed me off with your stupid comments. You would'd had a nice trio with Hitler and Stalin.Is your hinny ready for a deep penetration.Those two guys would'd made it nice and easy for you.
spiderman	Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 \| 11:33 PM Evildream. NYC rocks.Want me get into this debate?.I will eat for breakfast.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 \| 01:33 AM Wow, methinks there is there some link to this forum on an ESL website.
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 \| 07:15 AM EvilDream pisses a lot of people off...we just ignore him.
leo777	Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 \| 03:09 PM To Evildream. "leo shut the FU%K up..." Nice trident!A birthday present from Beelzeboul? Are you familiar with terms "provacation" and "mind games".This Forum is all about "mind games". To answer your comment, here are few hints: 1.There are many much smarter people,then you or I, out there,who speak English very well.(Think of Albert Einstein). 2.This forum is an open one. 3.There are at least 200.000 recent immigrants from the former USSR republics in NYC area alone. 4.There is at least 1.000.000 jews live in NYC area,at least have of them trace their roots to Russia. 5.It's a well known fact that immigrants,while being a driving force, always have been hated in this country.(I love Led Zepplin!Not because they are from England,try to figure out what I mean). 6.It's a well known fact that NYC is being hated by many Americans outside of it's area. 7.Read more about wars.(don't wanna name names,a think a page or two back). 8.Nobody forced you to post.It's a free country.(don't wanna name names,few pages back). Put it all together:What the fuck do you want from me? I am sick and tired of all these innuendoes! Leave alone.
leo777	Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 \| 03:14 PM Correction: "at least have of them trace..." Should be: "at least half of them trace..."
leo777	Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 \| 03:44 PM To EvilDream. And sometimes people misspell words deliberately to make a statement or to provoke others into arguement.
Mark-N-Isa in Midwest USA Member	Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 \| 11:25 PM Just because Rod and I were discussing it earlier and I stated that I didn't think the USA had the right to ban nuclear weapons proliferation while they were still developing their own arsenals... I have to post this. http://www.theindychannel.com/news/4469828/detail.html So basically since I posted it days ago... Blix stole my opinion and got all the glory for it! DAMN...
BrainDamaged	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 10:41 PM Ti husdekil fi nahajh asjkakefed no yubjf gilek?
LostLink	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 11:07 PM Man!Speak English.
Prophet	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 11:29 PM I think he tried to say that the USA is the greatest country in the world.
agent007	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 11:46 PM I desagree with you LostLink.I think he tried to say,that this Forum is monitored,and there is no freedom of speech here.The comments,that have nothing to do with the spam,are blocked.The webmaster is a fake.
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 \| 11:56 PM agent, how can you disagree with the phrase "Man!Speak English" Wouldn't that mean that you don't want us to speak english, even though this is an english speaking message board. ze yoter? What got blocked that you are so upset about? It is very uncommon for anything to get blocked in these forums unless it is spam or highly offending (such as alot of cursing, or racist comments).
agent007	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 12:00 AM Razela. Believe me.The Big Brother is watching.
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 12:06 AM Umm...that is only if Alex is Big Brother right? Because all the people who have access to blocking posts are under Alex. Unless you are trying to say that the government is watching this forum. I seriously doubt that, though if they are, so what. We aren't exactly discussing terrorist plans here, and this is the internet anyways, anyone is free to come read the forum. Again I ask you, what made you write the above post? Was something of yours blocked?
agent007	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 12:15 AM Have you noticed,that this thread's been banished?
agent007	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 12:22 AM Razela. Every forum,that has something to do with controversial stuff is being watched.At least one of your members is a fake one.Sorry it is just a fact of life.
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 12:22 AM Ah yes, you're right, good eye, I didn't even notice. My guess is it's because everyone was getting upset at each other and acting like asses. It has nothing to do freedom of speech. It wasn't shut down because the moderator disagreed with something. Freedom only goes so far until it begans to overlap with someone elses freedom. By people being rude and getting into fights the forum was shut down. This isn't a free place anyways. It's Alex's webspace, he pays for it. It's his property. If you came to my house, I wouldn't allow you to smoke inside. In Alex's webspace, he doesn't like people arguing in a nonproductive way. Same idea. You can get your own webspace and put anything you like on it, and monitor it anyway you'd like.
Razela in Chicago, IL Member	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 12:25 AM Umm...agent, they aren't fake members. I know all these forums are being watched. Alex watches them and gives power to other people to help him. They don't try to hide it. Charybus is one of them, so is Stephen and Meagan. Nothing "fake" about it. It's not like they are trying to be secretive about it, or manipulative.
agent007	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 12:36 AM Razela. Sorry.If you know all this stuff,and it's OK with you,then there is nothing to talk about.Though there are many other things,that have nothing to do with this disgusting word "trrrism". My apologies.
agent007	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 01:00 AM And in reference to you comment: This isn't a free place anyways. It's Alex's webspace, he pays for it. It's his property. If you came to my house, I wouldn't allow you to smoke inside. In Alex's webspace, he doesn't like people arguing in a nonproductive way. Same idea. You can get your own webspace and put anything you like on it, and monitor it anyway you'd like. So in general I am right.There is no freedom of speech here.Isn't this forum,or any other,about arguing?Freedom of speech is sacred.It's too precious and should be handled with great caution. Sorry.Just investigating the freedom of speech on the Internet.
agent007	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 01:23 AM And thanks for naming names. I will check their comments and influence here.
agent007	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 01:53 AM And Razela.Don't you sound like a bar owner from the time before the 60s,who also paid his rent,meanwhile didn't allow the black people in.
agent007	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 03:22 AM Razela. I have a bunch of friends from the FBI myself. And Alex is no God.I can gather enough evidence to take him to Court.This thread must be re-opened.
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 09:03 AM "Charybus" Razela? I'm crushed. After all this time too.:down:
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 \| 09:07 AM agent007, you have no case. Period. This is a privately run website. Rant and brag all you want, it only makes people pay less attention to you. I'm also a little confused about this thread being closed. If it were, you wouldn't be posting here.
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