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Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 | 06:43 PM
It's a scam set-up by the local... |
Winona
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 | 08:44 PM
As far as hoaxes go, it's a cool story. I love the tooth. |
Boo
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 | 02:54 AM
Pile of poop.
*nodnod*
I mean, water bailiff? |
Maegan
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 | 09:47 AM
Neat story, neat tooth. Wonder what it they made it out of. |
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 | 12:01 PM
"I mean, water bailiff?"
There actually *are* water bailiffs who patrol the Loch, though... |
Papazombie
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 | 10:36 PM
If Nessie is real why have we never found a dead one?
'Course the same is asked for Big Foot, Yeti, Champ, etc...
:coolsmile: |
Nicole
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 | 02:51 PM
Has anyone noticed the contradiction of what is written versus what is in the video.
They wrote this: "Using a screwdriver, we cracked open the ribcage and pried it loose."
But in the video the guy just pulls it out and nobody even had a screwdriver. The deer's ribcage isn't even cracked open when he pulled the "tooth" out.
I wrote them and told them of their little goof up... no response. Hmmmm. |
Mr. Skeptic
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 | 04:36 PM
And the cameraman is reading (poorly) from a script. I really expected better than this, after I heard it on the radio this morning. |
dave
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 | 02:22 AM
heck with the tooth where did these guys get the deer? Too bad it wasn't a game warden that came along. |
Accipiter
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 | 01:13 PM
That tooth looks a bit like half of a crab's claw. |
Sharruma
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 | 01:58 PM
Looks like a claw to me too |
Nicole
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 | 06:58 PM
Well, Bill wrote back. He said he'd hang these guys by the balls if he found out this was a hoax. I'm saying, get your gloves on. lol This Del guy hasn't replied though.
I feel a bit bad for Bill. But he needs to cut these phonies loose. That video is so badly rehearsed and doesn't even match what they wrote.
Plus, Bill wants me or a forum moderator to call him. But I don't want to. lol I don't know much about that stuff... but I know a hoax when I see one. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 02:41 AM
If you've read the book "The Loch" this tooth fits the creature described in it. BTW, it's not a friendly Pleasuar, it's something that would make you go running into the night screaming, if you got away. I believe the tooth was confiscated so DNA couldn't be ran on it showing it a killer and thereby hurting the tourism industry there. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 02:50 AM
A water bailiff is similar to a game warden over there. Once they die, it wouldn't take long for sturgeons to eat the body of one which would sink to the bottom of the Loch. There's very likely only one creature over there. It got shut in during road construction. Again, read the book, Alten does extensive research before he writes a book. If he didn't believe it existed, he wouldn't have written the book. |
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 03:18 AM
What I haven't seen on here is the fact that after some cryptozoologists, a marine biologist, museum curators and one very interested individual put up $100,000 reward to get the tooth back. They evidently believe the tooth is real and are backing it up with cash. |
Boo
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 05:05 AM
Sorry, yes, there are water bailiffs on Loch Ness. My bad.
...the fact that after some cryptozoologists, a marine biologist, museum curators and one very interested individual put up $100,000 reward to get the tooth back
Got any names for these people?
Frankly, this book sounds like a pile of poo to me, but I'd be willing to read it if I can get my hands on a copy. |
Boo
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 05:06 AM
Oh, and a water bailiff would have no power to take their passports.
Just thought I'd mention it. |
Boo
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 05:23 AM
There's very likely only one creature over there. It got shut in during road construction.
You're getting this from what, as far as I can tell, is described as "great beach reading." by The American Library Association. Going by the reviews and blurb, this sounds like schlock horror.
And, just as an interesting aside, I nearly drowned in Loch Ness at the age of about ten. No nightmares or anything, though. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 05:34 AM
You'll be seeing it soon or hearing it or possibly seeing it. I'm getting that from a historical theory. The whole thing is laid out in The Loch, a recently released book (with the exception of the two students). It also tells what this creature is and really makes alot of sense. |
Boo
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 05:49 AM
I'm quite offended by the stereotypical Scots, though. |
Boo
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 06:39 AM
Chuck, I understand what 'The Loch' is.
I'm just bemused as to how a fictional horror novel can 'tell what this creature is'. |
Accipiter
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 06:48 AM
So, what are your views on the Loch Ness Monster, Boo? |
Nettie
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 06:53 AM
You go girlfriend! |
Maegan
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 07:06 AM
..It might as well have been written by Ray Bradbury. |
LaMa
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 09:21 AM
And, just as an interesting aside, I nearly drowned in Loch Ness at the age of about ten. No nightmares or anything, though. - Boo
This is proof the monster doesn't exist. It should not be able to resist a body like that of Boo.
Boo; whas that the old Scottish "throw your 10 year old girl in the Loch" tradition associated to Beltane? |
Boo
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 11:18 AM
LaMa, it was the 'sacrifice your second born for the hope of summer' tradition. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 12:24 PM
To understand that, you have to know Steve. Steve does months of research on whatever topic he writes a book on. If he couldn't convinve himself that this creature existed, he wasn't going to write the book. That's where Bill comes in partially. For one, Steve didn't believe in the Pleasaur idea, there would have to be hundreds, if not thousands of them in there to last as long as they have. There wouldn't be enough food for them, they'd soon starve and die. Steve's book, like all his other books, is fiction based on fact. The book desrcribes true events that have trapped this creature in there during the 1930's. I can't give away the details, read the book. It's already been optioned for a major motion picture. MEG will be out next summer, The Loch is sure to follow soon after that. I believe you're from Scotland, right? To those who aren't, there's a contest to win an all expense paid trip to Loch Ness through this book. Those who don't live in Scotland, pick the book up and eter the contest. I have. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 12:27 PM
Wintertime is when you've got to watch out for this creature. |
Boo
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 12:45 PM
There is not enough food in Loch Ness to support even one herbivorous creature of the purported size of the monster, and a carniverous one, as you seem to be suggesting would starve even more quickly.
If this creature has been there since the 1930s, assuming it consumed every living creature, human and otherwise, that has been on, in, or around the loch since 1930, it still couldn't be bigger than a large trout.
All of the evidence we have of the depth of Steve's research is your opinion, which frankly is less than we have to prove the existance of God.
If you're going to make up a story starring a fictional monster, at least go for one of the more probable ones, like Bigfoot or something.
To be honest, the very fact that you refuse to come up with any sort of evidence, refuse to answer any of my questions and tell me you can't 'give away the details' really says it all..
Marketing scam to get people to read the book, I wonder? |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 12:54 PM
Boo, you should be able to order it here:
http://www.megsite.com./ |
Boo
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 01:15 PM
Marketing scam to get people to read the book, I wonder? |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 03:53 PM
Not at all-the book will be a hit one way or another, as will the movie. http://www.theloch.com is a site especially for this book. If I were going to push a book it would be on a site larger than this one LOL. I'm saying the book has the answers you're asking in it, including what it is. There is no Pleasaur there. |
Boo
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 04:02 PM
Frankly, having read the first few pages of the book, it may (just about) become a trashy schlock horror film which sinks into obscurity.
But the writing is dire.
I don't believe there is any sort of giant creature in the Loch. There is no evidence that there is whatsoever. Did you not read my earlier post?
Again, your response that "If I were going to push a book it would be on a site larger than this one LOL"and "I'm saying the book has the answers you're asking in it, including what it is." just re-enforces my distrust of you.
Not giving me answers.
Sounds like exactly the sort of thing someone trying to promote a crappy book would do.
And, oh look! You're directing me to buy the book. Yet again. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 04:24 PM
If you've read the first few pages of the book then you've seen the scientists, etc. that think this fictional book is more valid than the so-called true books about Loch Ness. It's copyrighted is the reason I'm not giving out any more. |
Boo
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 04:28 PM
I've read the first three pages of the story.
Which is what amazon.com give you. I stand by my assertation that the writing is dire.
I have not seen any part where 'scientists, etc.' have validated it over other books where people claim the story, or the basis thereof, is real. I'm sure there's something saying that. I don't doubt you there.
The reason you are not willing to answer any of my very vague questions is because it's copyrighted?
That's a pile of bull. |
Wally
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 04:34 PM
If you tell us in your own words, without resorting to a "cut and paste" from Amazon, there is absolutely no Copyright issue. I gotta throw in with Boo on this one - Poo... |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 04:40 PM
The word you're looking for Boo is... "schill."
Chuck is Steve...
The Truth is out there...
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Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 06:06 PM
LOL!!! Believe me, I'm not Steve. I'm a disabled police officer. I read one of his books called The Trench and his website was listed. I emailed him and told him how much I enjoyed his book. uring that time I had just broken my nech and herniated and ruptered nearly every vertebrae in my back. On top of that my wife divorced me because I was no longer able to be a police officer. His book took my mind off of all that. He asked me what I was doing for money. Worker's Compensation went from government controlled to privately controlled. My neurosurgeon said I wouldn't get any better, only worse. That was over 3 yrs. ago and he was right. I constantly lose control of my arms, legs, and some other things I don't want to mention. Steve offered me a job. I agreed although I've never done anything like that before. As it turns out, I'm a natural at it. That's my relationship to Steve, he's a friend. If it weren't for him I would starve and not be able to buy my medication or pay for my doctor visits. I am not Steve Alten, howwever, there needs to be more people in this world like Steve. |
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 06:18 PM
It's a normal sea creature that has perhaps mutated. The Navy has encountered it in the North Sea and call it the gloop. There was an underwater passageway from the loch to the North Sea that collapsed during the construction of a road in the 30's, trapping this one in the loch. Before that they used the loch to "spawn". Don't buy the book, wait until it comes to your local library and check it out. Loren Coleman, the world's leading cryptosoologist is one who said this theory is more valid than the "true" stories from the loch. Just stay off the water or near it during the winter months. |
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 06:19 PM
If your story is true, then I feel for you. That would be an awful thing for anyone to go through.
However (and I don't mean to be unfeeling) we only have your word for it.
Assuming you're not just making it up, I frankly have even more reason to doubt you. Either you were going through an awful time in your life and a 'friend' helped you, so you are indebted to them, or as you say "Steve offered me a job. I agreed although I've never done anything like that before. As it turns out, I'm a natural at it.".
You can either argue that he is your employer, or a friend. It's irrelevant.
You've now admitted to being involved with him. And he wants to sell his book, and then possibly a film of it.
You've completely skewed this topic with your implorations to buy the book.
We don't believe you.
Accept that. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 06:21 PM
See my previous post, I'm not Steve. |
Boo
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 06:27 PM
See my previous post.
I never said you were. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 06:38 PM
I came here on my own. Radio statios are what I'm promoting the book on right now. Steve is both my employer and my friend. He wrote and sold the screenplay first, then wrote the book. What I told you about me is very true, I wouldn't make that up. Whether you believe me or not, I don't care. I'm not going to post my medical records on here. I just scanned my badge, which the sheriff allowed me to keep. I can't post a picture on here, if you want to see it, give me your email address. Mine is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) |
Citizen Premier
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 07:41 PM
Jones, what does it matter if you're a disabled policeman or not? The issue is, we don't believe that the Loch Ness Monster exists, and that we think you're promoting the book, which you are.
And by the way, do you really think that the proving the existence of the Loch Ness Monster would hurt tourism? You don't know a damn thing about people if you think that. In public places, some people will run towards the sound of gunshots. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 07:48 PM
Here's a link that tells what it is
http://www.mindsay.com/comments/semiomniscient/337323 |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 07:51 PM
I know alot about people. I know that if you came across this thing you wouldn't stop running until you hit Ireland. |
Citizen Premier
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 | 08:48 PM
Maybe, but that's when you actually meet it. That doesn't mean people wouldn't go there to meet it, which they most definitely would, and many people today go to look for the Loch Ness anyways. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 01:12 AM
True, but they're looking for Nessie. If that tooth proves what I think it will prove, they won't come looking for the owner of it. This is why the water bailiff confiscated it, he knows that too. |
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 05:11 AM
Well I don't know what is in the water. But I do know that video is staged and the acting is very poor. It was so badly rehearsed. And the Bambi joke was cheesy.
Too many contradictions and slip up's. No one had a screwdriver. The ribcage wasn't even cracked. The guy so happened to see the tooth and pulled it out like a stick out of butter... so easy, so smooth. What happened to "prying it out"?
Now that it's been brought up, I'm starting to think it's set up to promote something else for $$$$... a book, a movie, media attention. Or all of the above.
I don't know what's worse, that or the John Titor gig. No wonder people find things hard to believe. |
Boo
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 05:42 AM
Mhmmm.
So Nessie ('The Loch Ness monster) isn't the monstor in Loch Ness.
Riiiight. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 07:34 AM
The book is out, the movie's sold. I did notice the camera cut off when they were going to get it. How long it was off, I don't know. Being a boat, it's a fair guess there is a screwdriver on it. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 07:48 AM
Nessie the Pleasaur isn't the Loch Ness Monster. As for people who think it's real, there's Richard Freeman-the centre for fortean zoology; Robert McCord Ph.D Chief curator of Natural History, Curator of Paleontology, Mesa Southwest Museum and Loren Coleman, the world's leading cryptozoologist. For people who think the book is really good, there's (in addition to the above) Hollywood Producer David Foster (Collatoral Damage, Mask of Zoro and The Thing) who's going to produce the movie, Calum Macleod-Inverness Courier, Ben Katner, TV Guide, Andrew Freeman, Miami Herald, Washington Daily News, and Mike Newman, Washingtom Examiner. There's more but I've got to get busy promoting this thing. |
Boo
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 09:10 AM
Oh look, you named a bunch of people that you say think it's real and/or like the book(incidentally, making a film of a book doesn't necessarily make you believe it's very good. Popular schlock, maybe. Good once you've completely changed it, maybe.)
and then admitted you were promoting the book.
Colour me surprised. |
LaMa
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 10:23 AM
I think we should simply close this topic, as it is turning into a lenghty SPAM..... |
buba
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 11:24 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/fact_or_fiction/ |
Charybdis
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 11:39 AM
I'm not about to close this topic just because they are arguing. I recognize that Chuck Jones is trying to promote a book but I also think it's on-topic. While I may not agree with Chuck I'm not going to take the step to prevent him from arguing his point. There have been plenty of arguments before this and will be plenty in the future that were far more vitriolic. I don't think anything said here so far has called for censoring or closing. Alex may feel otherwise but it's his board and his decision if he wants to make it. |
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 04:39 PM
If Nessie were any kind of 'monster,' people would still be interested in her. Especially if it were a new kind, since we're getting a bit tired of the old dinosaur story. If you want to tell us details about the book, go ahead, but don't give us 'teasers' or advertise it by saying who likes it. |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 05:54 PM
Boo, you're from Loch Ness, right? There's a $100,000 reward out for that tooth. Find the water bailiff's office and see if you can find it. If I lived over there I sure would. Ask the older people around there about the Knights of Templar. |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 06:57 PM
Everyone knows that the Knights of Templar have nothing to do with Nessie...
They're busy guarding the "National Treasure" under Independence Hall. Geesh... where have you been???
:roll: |
Chuck Jones
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 | 11:34 PM
They serve more than one responsiblity. There's a group called the Black Knights, whose responsibility it is to keep the identity of the creature and where it is a secret. They also protect the Braveheart (not William Wallace) but the Black Douglas' heart in a small casket. |
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