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Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 | 05:39 PM
Quick correction: Kokushibyou actually said he/she DIDN'T suffer from chronic pain. Well, I'm still sorry you have an infirmity and my comments about Q-Ray stand as is. |
Kokushibyou
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 | 02:11 PM
To: Cranky Media Guy
I thank you for your condolences. It is good to know that there are people out there who wish others well when next to nothing is known about them. I do not see my problem as something to really put much worry on though. True, it is not fun, but I will not let it get me down.
As to the Q-Ray bracelet, I have looked through all of the opinions on this forum, and all the links provided, so I would say that it does not look like a very 'ethical' product to me. I appologize that I did not make clear that I had looked into everything before making my previous posting.
Just as a personal note to you by the way:
I give you, and the others like you, my utmost respects for your previous postings. Unlike SOME others in this forum, it looks like that you have made your opinions on this matter AFTER looking through the facts related to it. I noticed that you also take careful consideration of other opinions and 'evidence' before agreeing with or discrediting them. It is people like you who make 'civilized' conversations and arguements possible.
So, again, thank you for your kindness, and I hope that you and the others put as much effort and caring behind your other postings as you seemed to have with this one. ^^ |
RR Guy
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 | 09:17 PM
I came across this site tonight after seeing an ad on TV for Q-Ray at $19.95 with a 30 day money back guarantee.
Is the $19.95 just an installment or down payment or is that the total price.
I kept reading before that a Q-Ray bracelet can't be had for less than $70...US that is.
Two things I noted -
The benefits described in the ads is totally non specific which was mentioned here already. But now it's so bad that everyone who ever watched these ads with me, notices that and comments on it.
And secondly, while i was doing some surfing about the Q-Ray and it's supposed benefits, I came across several sites that sell Q-Ray and their Q&A sections.
The question asked a number of times was how long does the Q-ray bracelet work.
Well, the Q-Ray people don't have their act together on that one. One site states that the ionization effect of course wears out with time, one or two years and then you have to buy a new bracelet because the ionization effect cannot be replenished;
and the next site states just as emphatically that the ionization effect never wears out and is good for life.
So which is true?
I guess it doesn't really matter for me since I wasn't about to rush out and buy one....but at only $19.95 for a $US&0+ bracelet? maybe I should....or should I wait a month in case the price drops to $9.95? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 | 05:28 AM
RR Guy said:
"Well, the Q-Ray people don't have their act together on that one. One site states that the ionization effect of course wears out with time, one or two years and then you have to buy a new bracelet because the ionization effect cannot be replenished;
and the next site states just as emphatically that the ionization effect never wears out and is good for life."
I'm betting on "never wears out." After all, since the damn things don't actually DO anything--and they don't have any moving parts--what the hell CAN "wear out?" |
RR Guy
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Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 | 09:00 AM
I think "wears out in a year" makes more sense for these outfits!
After all, if you have finally snared someone gullible enough to buy one of these in the first place, wouldn't it be nice to collect $70 or whatever once a year for life?
And it shouldn't be too hard to convince someone that these ions or whatever get used up, working hard healing your body every day. |
Ted
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 | 11:20 PM
Thought I'd add this link
http://skepdic.com/qray.html
and this quote which I found interesting:
"There is no such thing as an 'ionized bracelet,' because solid objects are not ionized."
I feel sorry for all those people getting scammed by these charlatans. Unfortunately it's pretty hard to convince them otherwise once they've bought the product as they have a very strong bias towards not looking like fools.
It's incomprehensible to me that this Jason guy thinks that it's a legitimate business to sell people something that works no better than a placebo. |
Non Believer willing to try..
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 | 02:57 PM
Being a NON-BELIEVER of all the stuff we get told that works... I guess I'm willing to give this a try.. I suffer from Nerve damage as the result of a serious back injury and would pay just about anything to get rid of the pain - even if it's the sensation of the pain.. and the pain is still there but I believe it isn't.. that would work for me.. I'll get back with ya all.. |
paul
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 | 08:36 AM
Hi All,
I've been fascinated reading this thread. Thinking about getting a Qray, and the skeptics have almost convinced me to try it.
Captain Al's comment about the human body containing no positive or negative energy is a scientific embarassment on his part. If he slept through high school science, ok, but he should have learned that potassium and sodium ions cross semi-permeable membranes in every nerve cell in his body millions of times a minute, thus "firing" them and activating his body to follow his concious and unconcious demands.
The brain, with about two billion neurons, is almost the equivalent of a 40 watt light bulb in it's ionic electrical power.
Someone also said that solid objects cannot be ionic, i.e. that ions can only exist in fluids and gases I suppose. Don't take my word for it, just wait for a dry winter day, rub your feet on the carpet and touch a grounded object. Feel the static spark? It's a charge, not a placebo that's "all in your head". Or just put your laundry in the dryer without those softener sheets and figure out whether solid objects can accumulate ions.
Another person also said that metals cannot be ionized. Can metals be permanently ionized? Don't know. But again, you shouldn't have been sleeping in Science, metals exist by definition as a fairly firm structure of atomic nucleii, in a "soup" of freely moving electrons. The negative electrons have only the slightest connection to a particular nucleus before they decide to move next door to the next one, which is why metals conduct electricity.
Essentially, metals are composed of ions at the exterior layer where we interact with them. Rust never sleeps.
I'm not endorsing anything, just busting the bad science of the other "mythbusters" here. If I buy one of these things and think it's crap, I'll post that too. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 | 02:14 PM
Paul said:
"I've been fascinated reading this thread. Thinking about getting a Qray, and the skeptics have almost convinced me to try it."
May I ask you, Paul, what exactly it is you think the Q-Ray is going to do for you?
If you see their ads, you see that they are incredibly vague about what the Q-Ray actually does for the human body.
Rather than anything specific, you get a lot of stuff from the people in the ad about how the Q-Ray makes them feel "better," whatever THAT means. Uh, I feel better when I wear the cheesy watch I bought for $10. at Goodwill. Does that make it a therapeutic device?
Yeah, yeah, I know, it's all a Big Conspiracy on the part of the pharmaceutical companies and the government to keep the incredibly non-specific healing power of a cheaply made bracelet from the public. Seriously, don't you think if the Q-Ray did anything testable that they manufacturers would want to trumpet that from the highest mountain? Instead, their ads are full of statements with the reek of "vetting" from their lawyers.
If you DO decide to buy this worthless piece of crap, do yourself at least the minor favor of getting it from eBay so you save some money. |
RR Guy
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 | 04:17 PM
Here are the results of a double blind study that should answer the question if these bracelets work.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20030415/tips/10.html |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 | 12:51 AM
Thanks for the link, RR Guy. Very interesting and exactly what one would expect.
Funny how elusive the "powers" of these "alternative" devices and potions turn out to be when subjected to actual SCIENTIFIC TESTING, huh? |
Charybdis
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 | 09:18 AM
Wait, let me guess.
"But there was a noticable effect. Even if it's just a placebo, it still works. If it works for you, it's worth paying money for." |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 | 04:51 AM
I just found this by accident. It looks like the tax on gullibility has gone up since I last saw an ad for Q-Ray.
http://flickr.com/photos/sots/356009779/ |
Ron
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 | 06:43 PM
All I can say is the mind is a powerful thing. IF you want that stupid bracelet to work it will. There are suckers for everything. Eat right, get enough sleep and drink a lot of water and you will perform better. Save your money |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 | 01:34 AM
Ron said:
"All I can say is the mind is a powerful thing. IF you want that stupid bracelet to work it will."
Well, yeah, up to a point. No bracelet is going to "cure" incurable cancer. Pain, however, is extremely subjective. A level of pain that would be intolerable for one person is an inconveniece for another person. This is something to keep in mind when you see an ad for something that purports to "relieve pain." |
Jason
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 | 11:23 AM
I am just trying a Sobona bracelet. Similar to Q-Ray but got it for $15, 2 magnets on each end of the bracelet. My dad had a serious injury to his shoulder and arm and claims that he doesn't suffer from pain anymore. I am skeptical. So I am trying it.
Anyhow it does have an effect. Unfortunately my right hand feels swollen and numb. Definately not a positive effect. I am switching arms now to see if I get the same result on the other arm.
The claims are bull but there is some strange effect to this. I can see how it may help with certain pain or cause more pain.
My Theory is that it has something to do with attracting the iron levels in one part of the body. I think this may be more harmfull than a cure! Anyhow the bottem line is any powerfull magnet will have some effect. The most powerfull magnet is the one from a computer hard drive. I am going to try straping it on for a few days and see what happens.
There was a warning with this bracelet about not using it, if you are pregnant. Hmmm. Also no pacemakers!
I will keep experimenting and give you the results. I am as skeptical as you are but I am getting some strange results. Too bad I am not feeling any more energetic from this. All I have is a painfull hand and wrist. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 | 12:35 AM
Jason said:
"I am skeptical. So I am trying it."
This is exactly the wrong way to go about it. How will you know if any result is caused by the magnet, the placebo effect, your personal bias or something else? And why would you assume the effect, if any, would be a positive one? Could it not be harmful instead? Do you really want to be a guinea pig? The only way to know for sure is a properly designed double blind test, preferrably conducted by an academic professional trained in such things.
Fortunately for you this has already been done and so far magnetic fields don't seem to have any effect on the human body. Even fields strong enough to bend metal bars do nothing. The magnetic field in an MRI machine is considered extremely powerful yet it neither hurts you or cures anything. Experiment if you must but the results of a one-person subjective test will be meaningless. |
Andy Y. DMD
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 | 02:17 AM
Hi. I'm a dentist and I had a patient one day who wore Q-ray bracelet on both arms. He was a gentleman in his 60's. I asked him if the bracelets work and he swore that it worked wonders for him. He said he felt more energized when he wore his bracelet. He said he went on a weekend trip one time and he forgot to wear it for two days and he said he was miserable. I personally find no scientific evidence that it works and I strongly feel that it's just placebo effect; but, I also feel that if it brings relief or more energy (due to placebo effect) no harm is done. It's not like these people are taking some harmful supplements or dangerous drugs.
I also has a friend who swears by it too. I'm currently having wrist problems due to my dental career and I'm gonna try it out to see if it works. I'll try to write an update in few weeks. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 | 10:50 AM
<i><b>"...no harm is done. It's not like these people are taking some harmful supplements or dangerous drugs."</b></i>
Andy,
The real harm is people using scam products instead of legitimate proven medical treatments. In most of the cases mentioned on this thread, users suffered from some chronic pain for which there is no treatment. If a Q-Ray bracelet gives them some relief then good for them. However, the truth of the matter is the Q-Ray bracelet is just of ring of ordinary metal made to look like jewelery and any pain relief is due to the placebo effect.
Our purpose on this forum is discussing hoaxes and scams, not to tell people they should shut up and suffer in silence. These people came here of their own accord and tried to tell us Q-Ray is a real product so we felt the need to disagree. Others came here trying to find out about the product before buying. I want them to hear the other side of the story, the side of science and reason. The majority of Q-Ray users will only be hurt in the wallet but there are many other scams out there claming to cure "incurable" diseases such as cancer. As a medical professional I'm sure you would agree this is a serious matter. Allowing Q-Ray to continue unchallenged is morally wrong. It only gives the false impression that sickness can be cured by backroom inventors with no medical training and that science should be mistrusted for not acknowledging these products. You owe it to your patients to give then your professional opinion on the real story behind Q-Ray.
P.S. Please read the rest of this forum to see how the FDA has investigated Q-Ray and found their product has no special properties and levied a huge fine on them for false advertising.
For an extensive list of current medical scams, go to:
http://www.quackwatch.org/ |
omg gay
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 | 05:35 AM
Just saw this thing on tv, was wondering two things: 1.) no price was advertised. 2.) they said specifically they cant tell me how it works, and it just does.
so i go on the internet looking for answers to those two questions. and 1.) its like $250 for the top line bracelet. 2.) it doesnt do anything which is why they cant tell me how it works. they aren't gonna say its two magnets on the end of some twisted metal cable because no one would buy it. i bet its "patented" because of its unique flat ends that dont hurt your wrist.
well i mean you can patent anything if you have a few bucks... whats the big deal about patenting something? they actually said that in the commercial "its so unique it has its own us patent"... hmmm. well. then i was reading this site and this physician proved that its an overpriced piece of costume jewlery. proving that there is no scientific proof of anything magnetic helping you balance out ionz or whatever.
oh yeah but i know exactly.... how this works. its called the power of suggestion. someone is in pain, and they will try anything to get rid of it. they hear of a miracle bracelet on tv and are willing to spend $250 to get rid of this pain for life, so they buy the bracelet, and through the power of suggestion they are healed. they THINK it will work because its so expensive and has its own commercial and website, so they no longer feel that pain. the reason it doesnt work on some people, is because they dont actually believe it will work, so it doesnt.
q-ray depends entirely on its "testimonials" on selling its product since they themselves, do not endorse it or say how it works, why it works, or give any scientifical proof, because the fact is, it doesnt exist, and they will get sued for false advertising if they do... BOOM head shot 😊 |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 | 03:29 PM
Well said, omg gay. You summed it up very well.
Just so you know, the current Q-Ray advertising doesn't make any claims about "healing," etc. because they got in trouble for implying things like that in their ads in the past.
Any "effect" that Q-Ray might have on a person is entirely attributable to the power of suggestion.
You nailed it: little magnets attached to the ends of some twisted wire doesn't do Jack. |
nanochef
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 | 11:15 PM
I was never aware that the Q-ray was for pain, I thought it was just for like a healthy energized feeling of body and mind. Anyway I picked one up out of my uncles van and didnt feel any different. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 | 02:14 AM
Q-Ray is for making a lot of money for the manufacturer. It does NOTHING for pain or energy (discounting the placebo effect, of course). |
hannah
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 | 08:53 AM
I really was thinking of trying one but not now. I hadn't researched it so I was going on what I'd heard, DUMB me. I looked at their site where they sell them and holy cow are they ever expensive. I guess there's a scam out there for everyone. :lol: |
Caroline Nubbins
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 | 11:19 PM
Some say... some say... some, some do actually say. This product works. And I believe it. I do, and I will never forget it. And yeah. So yeah, I love my q-ray. It changed my living habits. I quit smoking the very hour I put one on. I won the local lottery. I lost 25 pounds in 25 minutes! I am a true believer. I wear appx. 6 q-rays. One around each wrist, one on each ear, one on each ankle, I had one specially made to wrap around my now fit and energetic wasteline and I also wear one around my forehead. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 | 11:46 PM
To Miss Nubbins:
I notice you say that you lost 25 pounds in 25 minutes this must be a typo. I can't even tell you how jealous I am. Your piece spoke to me and now I realize that I too am a believer.
This product debate does not render false hopes, but breaks them. Sometimes when hope is all one has I see that it is important to leave the negative energy of our unified unique universe out of our hearts and minds. I love my q-ray! |
sneffels
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 | 08:36 PM
to Captain Al and Cranky, the great knights who will one day doublehandedly vanquish Q-Ray forever -
Why do you care, unless you have a vested interest in the failure of Q-Ray or similar therapies? I've read all the posts and you make good arguments. So what.
For less than the price of a good dinner out these days (even if they can't get a refund) people can have hope. And it's less expensive than offerings to regular church services-another placebo which you don't seem to be attacking here.
Give it a rest, please. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 | 09:37 PM
<i>"Why do you care"</i>
Sneffels,
If you had bothered to read the rest of the thread you would have gotten the answer to your question. However I will give you a brief summary.
My purpose is not to take hope away from people who suffer from chronic pain. Here I only care that the false claims made by Q-Ray are exposed for what they really are. Maybe you didn't realize it but this IS a hoax site and we debunk hoaxes here. Did you really expect to read glowing endorsements? The skeptical point of view also serves as a voice of reason for those who take the initiative to research Q-Ray's extraordinary claims before buying. On a related note, it is illegal in most jurisdictions to make false claims in advertising so we feel a need to tell everyone that is what Q-Ray is doing.
I'm as happy as anyone if a person finds relief in a product where everything else has failed but there is a danger in believing in things which are not true. They and others may be convinced to try a product like Q-Ray and forego a legitimate treatment that could really help them. After all, even if Q-Ray does appear to work, it could only be due the placebo effect and when that wears off, they are back where they started, except for being a few dollars poorer. There are literally thousands of products on the market today, based on pseudoscience, that are designed only to separate the desparate from their money. Should companies like Q-Ray profit from that?
<i>"And it's less expensive than offerings to regular church services-another placebo which you don't seem to be attacking here."</i>
This thread is about Q-Ray. For our religious attacks please go to:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/2241/
<i>"Give it a rest, please."</i>
No. Like I said above, this website exposes hoaxes. If you don't want to read that kind of stuff, you've come to the wrong place. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 | 11:59 PM
I'm always amazed when someone objects to someone else debunking a scam. I'm more surprised when it happens here, when that's pretty much the reason for the existence of this site.
Sneffens, if you had a friend or relative who was sick and a quack was taking advantage of them by selling them something which you knew could not help them get better, would you keep your mouth shut?
The only difference between that situation and what's happening here is that we don't personally know the people who are taken advantage of by Q-Ray. The intent is the same, however. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 | 11:53 AM
Here's an interesting video about Q-Ray made by the Canadian Broadcasting Corportation's consumer information program <i>Marketplace</i>.
http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2007/11/14/buying_belief/
In it they interview a lawyer from the US FTC who says Q-Ray's president testified at the Q-Ray trial that he made up the whole story about ionizing and the link to ancient Chinese medicine because it sounded good and was easy to remember. They also take a Q-Ray bracelet to the University of Toronto to have it analyzed for special properties. Guess what? They didn't find any. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 | 11:47 AM
Here is a link to my thread on the new Forum about how Q-Ray made Wired.com's top ten list of snake-oil products:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/5954/ |
Captain Al
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 | 11:19 PM
NEWS UPDATE:
Q-Ray has LOST their appeal of the FTC ruling and will have to turn over $16 million dollars to the feds. They will also liable for another $70 million if the fleeced customers come forward.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/01/07/qray-decision.html?ref=rss
It also reports the following good news:
"The FTC said Q-Ray is in Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court."
So far there have been no comments about these developments from the many believers who have been telling us for the last three years that the bracelets worked. How do you feel about the statements from Q-Ray, made under oath, that the whole ionization explanation was made up?
Not to worry though. If the placebo effect wears out you can always contact the FTC for your refund.
"Consumers who purchased a Q-Ray bracelet between Jan. 1, 2000, and June 30, 2003, should call the FTC Q-Ray Consumer Hotline at 202-326-2063 to see whether they are eligible for a refund." |
Blake Dawson
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 | 10:47 PM
These bracelets, pendants, and rings are all extraordinary products...I've had 3 back surgeries, and without my qray on my pain never subsides even with medication! The only thing to take away the pain effectively is the q-ray products, especially if you have chronic pain problems like myself. I have never experienced pain as long as im wearing my q-ray! Best invention ever...it evens out your bodys CHI, and the ionazation takes that CHI and blocks pain receptors, and turns pain to positive energy...Like Ying and Yang. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 | 12:10 AM
Good for you Blake!
Now who are you going to give the credit to? The makers of Q-Ray have admitted in court there is nothing special about their bracelets. They confessed all the hype about ionization and the link to chi and traditional Chinese medicine were just made up. Either Q-Ray accidently discovered a revolutionary pain relief system that defies known physics when their only intent was to scam people or the effect is all in your head. Which is the more likely possibility? |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 | 12:48 AM
But, Captain Al, Q-Ray bracelets are IONIZED!
Oh wait, they aren't. Hmmm. |
GrahamC
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 | 03:21 PM
I bought one of these bracelets (gold plated) years ago, knowing it probably would do nothing, which it didn't, but I have worn it faithfully ever since, only because I liked it.
The plating was pretty good too, as after 7 years it is only now starting to wear off.
Do I feel ripped off? Not really, as I wasn't really expecting anything. Makes a great conversation piece though, everyone wanting to know what it is or if it works. I may have created some sales or prevented others. I really don't care.
My 2 cents anyways! |
Captain Al
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 | 10:13 AM
Fair enough Graham. Of course, if Q-Ray had only marketed a piece of jewelery with no false claims of health benefits there wouldn't have been a federal court case against them. I hope you pointed that out to anyone who asked. |
Jim
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 | 06:48 AM
Well, I purchased one just a few days ago. Didn't pay $250 but substantially less. The only reason I got it becuase I'm always very tired and by 2 pm and can hardly keep my eyes open ... not too good at the office 😊. I'm not sure if its psychological or what but after wearing it for two days, my eyes have stopped hurting from fatique and I don't feel tired at all until about 11pm. I'm not saying I have a lot more energy that I can go and do the 4 minute mile but I'm no longer trying to keep my eyes open at 2pm anymore. This is all I was looking for from this bracelet and for now, it's doing what I wanted to. I know there's a lot of Q-Ray bashing but I thought I should mention my experience with this product. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 | 12:51 PM
Jim,
I repeat what I said above. The inventors of Q-Ray admitted in court their bracelet has NO special properties and they made up all that stuff about ionization and the link to ancient Chinese medicine. Therefore your results MUST be psychological. As long as you're okay with that, great. Too bad it cost you some money. You could have tied an old piece of string around your wrist and pretended it was ionized. |
IRA
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 | 02:31 PM
I have been wearing a QRAY bracelet for over 6 years (i'm on my 3rd one). I have always said that I had no idea what ionization meant but.......
The damned thing works for me.
I had a heel pain that the doctors could do nothing for, and the bracelet has worked for me since the first time I put one on. Placebo or not, I love them. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 | 09:32 AM
IRA,
Why did you need to buy three of them? Do they wear out? Nothing in their literature about that. There's also nothing about pain relief if I recall correctly. They only say you will feel balanced, whatever that means. Based on the comments here, it seems the QRay does whatever the wearer desires.
Perhaps you confused QRay with magnet therapy which makes claims about pain relief. It's amazing. The placebo effect still works even if you buy the wrong thing! |
Ira
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 | 10:01 AM
The plating on the first two wore off in about 2 years each. which, by some coincidence, corresponds with their story about the "ionizing" wearing out in 2 years.
The one I am wearing now is the gold plated model and is holding up well.
I did not confuse this a magnetic bracelet although I have been explaing to freinds for years that I have no idea what "ionization" means.
By the way, I do get a lot of positive comments about the looks of the bracelet. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 | 10:08 AM
Ira,
I'm glad your friends like the look of your QRAY bracelet otherwise you might have to choose between fashion and pain relief. I guess the good looks are a bonus.
Call me a pessimist but I'm inclined to believe the plating wearing off has nothing to do with the "ionizing wearing out" but instead is a sign of poor quality manufacturing and/or planned obsolescence. |
Ira Turner
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 | 02:47 PM
Since the "ionizing" seems to be a fraud, I would go with the planned obsolescence concept. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 | 03:58 PM
Okay, planned obsolescence it is. |
aji sri lestari
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 | 01:16 PM
:) I found a bracelet in my drawer and thought it
was a Monet bracelet which I forgot to wear for the last years and wore it because it looks nice.
I went to the Monet store to buy the same thing for
my mother in law...they said it must be an old product and thought it was real gold.
Until my son saw this bracelet...he said it was one of the magnetic type,then I read the Q Ray logo and remembered I bought it several years ago.
Frankly speaking it might had no effect on me otherwise I would have worn it all the time but..
still I like the design and am glad to wear it again.
Miracles? Mosquitoes still bite me, so it may
not have any fibrations whatever. I'm 60 maybe
it will make me look younger...haha LOL. |
Ira Turner
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 | 02:17 PM
Well, so much for the gold plating holding up. I just looked and the plating is wearing off, on top of the balls.
Call me an idiot if you will, But I just ordered the Gold Deluxe Noir bracelet ( $179.00)as a replacement.
I'll say it again, it might just be B.S., but it works for me. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 | 04:57 PM
Ira,
If you need to wear a QRAY because it relieves pain wouldn't it make more sense to buy the cheapest version. I know gold plating is very thin but at $875 an ounce, I think I would demand better quality. |
DashRipRock
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 | 05:41 AM
For all the 'QRAY' fans...an unbelieable offer!!!
I'm about to release the 'F-U-RAY'. I've just finished all the research & development. It only took a few hours. It's based on the ancient Japanese 'SCAMUSHI' thearpy principles. I was able to transfer these unbeliable properties into common copper wire (14 guage), by a process I call 'bending'. For that 'QRAY' look, I have added asthetically pleasing 'RWT' (round wire terminator) Energy Balls'. Practically guaranteed to boost your energy level from 0-50% (dependant on diet, amount of sleep and other factors).
For the next (2) days I'm offering FREE, yes FREE!! shipping, normally $35.00, (you will notice a small 'handling fee' of $25.00 on your credit card statement).
If you can prove you've also ordered a 'QRAY', by stating, 'I ordered a 'QRAY', I have a special offer..instead of receiving just (1) of our nearly patented bracelets at the unbelieable price of $150.00...we'll ship you (2),YES (2)!! bracelets for the amazing price of only $325.00!!
Presently available in RED, but soon to be offered in several other stimulating colors (dependant on Radio Shack stock).
Please stay tuned for more exciting products from...'WeFlyByNightProducts.com'.
Soon to be released...'Brain Beam Sole Inserts'.
What appears to be common shoe inserts are actually a newly developed technolgy, utilizing what we call 'gravity grabber cells'. These cells actually collect energy from normal Earth gravity and amplify it many thousands of times over. Then, by 'Aluminum Foil-to-Sock Mutual Inductance', we can transmit a highly focused beam of 'Brain Stimulator Electrons' directly into your central nervous system. These electrons become concentrated in your brain, increasing IQ levels by up to 7000%!!!
Stay tuned for upcoming release date!! 😜 |
Ira Turner
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 | 12:50 PM
That should bring my IQ up to about 75. |
pain killer
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 | 09:18 AM
Q-Ray Bracelet work well as a money-spinner for the folks that sell them! But they don't actually "do" anything. |
bob
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 | 11:56 AM
Just got a q.ray for a gift..so i`m reading up on it now.I must admitt it`s kinda hard to believe all those claims lol..but for Mom`s sake i will wear it anyway.Love the responses here tk.....BOB. |
Hoshi
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 | 11:47 PM
it is all a hoax, people who say they feel something, or are getting "positive effects" from it, it's just in their head. So i guess it does work, but only in a psychological way. |
Mattress Protector
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 05:54 PM
I am not sure about the effectiveness of these other remedies, but I do like the benefits of having a <code><a href="http://www.protectabed.com/mattress-protectors/mattress-covers.aspx">mattress cover</a></code> / <code><a href="http://www.protectabed.com/full-encasements/allergy-control-bedding.aspx">mattress encasement</a></code>. I sleep better, dust allergies are no longer a problem at night, and my mattress is protected against 'accidents'. |
Ira Turner
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 05:26 AM
❓ I guess my IQ is lower than I thought.
What the heck is this last post about ??????????
P.S. I'm still wearing the bracelet and still pain-free. I don't care if it is psychosomatic or actual, I like it.
Ira |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 09:41 AM
Ira,
Am I to believe if you stubbed your toe or accidently burned your hand on a hot stove, you would still be pain free? If not, how do the patches know which pains to suppress and which ones to leave alone? |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 09:47 AM
Oops. Thought I was still reading the Lifewave thread. These placebo scams are all so similar, it's hard to tell the difference. |
Ira Turner
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 02:43 PM
Capt. Al,
To you its a scam ( and you are probably right ), to me it's a blessing. It's all in the eyes ( or in my case, the heel ) of the beholder.
Have a nice weekend
Ira |
Marine
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 | 06:57 AM
I don't know if QRay works, but do not be so quick in dismissing chi and the body's energy system. I do accupressure and energy techniques daily and this has helped both my physical and emotional health tremendously - and i was a skeptic! Proof? EFT, for example, works even if you don't believe it does.But you do have to learn and do it. No junk food solution, but much quicker than an advil by far! Another? Energy medicine, by Donna Eden. Using the body's energy is true modern medicine/prevention. Q Ray doesn't have anything to do with your chi, which is alive and well inside you. There seem to be quite a few ppl here who benefitted - perhaps the bracelet stimulates a meridian that needed help |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 | 10:31 AM
Ira said:
"<b><i>Capt. Al,
To you its a scam ( and you are probably right ), to me it's a blessing. It's all in the eyes ( or in my case, the heel ) of the beholder.</i></b>"
For your information Ira, it's a scam to QRay as well. If you read back a few pages you will see links to QRay's federal court case where they admit their product is a scam. That stuff about ionization and ancient Chinese medicine was all made up. That's why they had to pay millions of dollars in fines and refunds.
So it's not "all in the eyes of the beholder". It's all in your mind. But glad they work for you even though they have been proven in court to do nothing.
You have a nice weekend too. |
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