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Charybdis
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 04:14 PM
Wow, all this bitching and I haven't even posted yet.
I'll admit I'm a hypocrite. I have a leather jacket, leather shoes, leather etc. because I eat beef. I like beef. I'm not going to stop eating it although, god knows, I need to. If I ever do I'll eat more chicken. Same thing. A cow died to feed me, might as well use the skin as well.
On the other hand, I don't wear fur. I don't eat mink or fox or rabbit although some do, and if they use the fur for something after that then good for them. It's just not me. I'm not going to kill an animal just for something that could easily be replaced with a non-animal product that's just as good (meat can't be equally replaced and although leather can a cow is still dying).
But I do feel that these pictures are just wrong. I don't think it's artsy to stare at dead things. I don't like stuffed animals or mounted fish either. If someone wants to hunt for food that's fine but I think it's morbid to want a trophy of it and the animals in these pictures didn't even feed anyone. It doesn't matter to me if they are cat's, rat's, or elephant's. It's not my thing.
I don't support it but, on the other hand, I can't condemn people for it either. It's not illegal and is no more immoral than killing cows.
Warning Start Flame Bait!
Ya know, what with the all the overpopulation and starvation in the third world maybe we would just be better off feeding half of the worlds children to the other half.
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Rex D.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 04:15 PM
Someone should put Nathalia's head on a vase. |
Charybdis
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 04:18 PM
Kitten steak.
You're a mean bitch Maegan. I think that's why we love you. :coolsmirk: |
Rex D.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 04:19 PM
I can't believe you said that Char. That's very comical in a sick way, children eating children. I pobably should not have laughed at it, but I'd rather find humor in something than not. |
Rex D.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 04:19 PM
Did that make any damn sense? |
Charybdis
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 04:34 PM
Yeah, as I'm something of an ass I have to constantly remind myself not to judge others too harshly for their opinions since I know that I tick quite a few people off myself. That's why I always try to see something humourous in serious situations ('tho I'm not always smart enough to keep these observations to myself) and to realize that people's comments can be misunderstood or taken out of context. |
Rex D.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 | 04:45 PM
I'm the same way. But the way I figure it, even if I think it will offend someone, I'll still say it while I have the chance to speak out. |
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 | 12:50 AM
Janna is right. IF YOU EAT ANIMALS, YOU ARE NOT WASTING THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NATALIA EDENMONT IS A POACHER POSING AS A PHOTOGRAPHER OF THE PERVERTED KIND! GEEZ, IS IT THAT HARD OF A DEBATE? And I think it is wrong of Japanese people to eat cat and dog! |
Rex D.
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 | 01:10 AM
Why? Because they're cute? If you had a production line, and all of the animals past through, you would save cats and dogs. Why? What makes them different from a cow, pig, turkey, pheasant, deer, etc.? Their cuteness. You can own one. You can play with one. You can teach it stupid tricks. Why are you complaining about cats and dogs, yet you have a damn thing to say about any other animal? And why the hell are you using capital letters? Do you think thats going to get your point across more efficiently? Are you that ignorant? Do you see any of us using capital letters? Or do you have vision problems and can't see what you type? You came in arguing. Don't put that on us. |
BugbearSloth
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 | 03:05 PM
Hannah, to my knowledge, the Japanese do not eat cat or dog. I ate cat in Cambodia, and dog in Korea and Mexico. I find your ignorance more disgusting than the culinary preferences of people in other cultures. |
BugbearSloth
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 | 03:13 PM
Jenna, here are my answers to your questions:
1) We kill animals for food, clothing and art all of the time. Why is this any different?
2) Understand "contemporary art"?!? Ha ha ha ha ha! You are soooo funny!!! Did you really think that there was anything to "understand" about contemporary art? Kripes! Please stop!
3) Does the idea of a kodiak bear killing and eating you while you are walking in the forests of Alaska make you understand how weak your arguments are? |
Rex D.
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 | 03:54 PM
I like the kodiak bear part. Thats a good point. They can eat us, but we can't touch them? Survival of the fitest. If that cow can't outrun me,Beef. It's whats for dinner. |
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 | 04:49 PM
I am sick of you. Animals should NOT BE KILLED for No ReAsOn. CaPiTaLs actually DO HELP get the PoInT across. And, you are NOT GoOd at GeTtInG your PoInT across. You HaVe TeRrIbLe REASONS. Domesticated animals are slaughtered and killed and she lied about ThEm BeInG made. YoU do not know the issue very well. ANIMALS ARE KILLED FOR FOOD TO FEED US, AND WE USE THEIR WHOLE BODY. BUT WHEN YOU ARE KILLING ANIMALS FOR ART, WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU TAKE ITS PICTURE AND ABANDON IT. THAT IS WASTEFUL AND CRUDE. I KNOW THE ISSUES. |
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 | 04:52 PM
AND Chinese people do, not Japanese. My mistake, not a mistake for you to rub in. |
Rex D.
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 | 05:01 PM
Any mistake can be rubbed in when your a dumbass. If you had been paying attention, you would know that I spoke against killing them for art. But I will eat them. I don't have access to a garden, so I will not be eating protien rich rabbit food. Nor can I afford 'natural' foods at the grocery store. And capitol letters do not get a point across. Words do. Capitals just make you look like a dick. Pardon the french, but it's all I could think of that might sink help it to sink in. |
Rex D.
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 | 05:02 PM
Thailand inhabitants eat cat and dog. Kibbles and bits baby, kibbles and bits. |
Rex D.
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 | 04:09 PM
Hannah 😠 Where'd you go? 🐛 I was having fun. :roll: |
Maegan
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 | 09:50 AM
I put hog jowls in my black-eyed peas for New Year's Day. It's a southern tradition. Yummy one too. Also, we should feed the poor children to the rich people...isn't that how it's supposed to work? (Jonathan Swift?) |
Rex D.
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 | 04:07 PM
I think we should the poor to the rich,2/3 of the middle class to the poor, half of the rich to the middle class, and the other half to the poor,and the other 1/3 of the middle class to the rich. 🧛 |
Maegan
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 | 01:14 PM
...I'm middle class (barely) & I'm not feeding my baby to anyone. She is TOO cute. It would be a shame & a waste of cuteness. |
Charybdis
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 | 02:09 PM
The government could pay about $100 per year of age for each child turned in. Just enough to help out all those welfare moms who need a helping hand without being enough to encourage it becoming a business.
Plus, if your unhappy with the way you ten year old is coming along you can get a jump-start on a new one with a $1000 stake (steak?)! |
Rex D.
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 | 03:39 PM
Oh, Too cute, well then. She's excused. But you on the other hand....Isn't anybody curious how I came up with that equation? |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 | 01:14 PM
Here's an URL for the Minnesota Association of Rogue Taxidermists gallery site: http://www.roguetaxidermy.com/gallery.php Apparently these sick puppies actually use sick puppies for their art. I think it's all post-mortem, as in roadkill, carrion, etc. I don't think that they purposely kill these animals for their art, like The Marquessa De Edenmont. If they do they should get gonahrea and burn in Hell. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 | 03:28 AM
Im sorry to say that this is not photoshop or a hoax guys because when i looked at the pictures closely i could see blood. The one with the mice u can see blood on the fingers and the one where the bird is turnes over you can see that there is blood under the left wing. that is not art its cruel. She has really bad taste if she thinks thats art, she shouldn't be an artist |
Rex D.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 | 04:10 AM
She's not, she just thinks she is. 🐍 |
Wonko The Sane
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 09:00 PM
I don't know why so many people start out their posts "unfortunatly". Anyway yes, they are real animals, it's not photoshop. If she was just making pretty pictures photoshoo would likely have sufficed. But she wanted to make people think, and talk. She has succeded. Many on here say the only people who respond to her art are those who are enraged by it. What a gross exageration. Plenty of other people have seen her art and commented on it, and dicussed it.
I think it's an interesting setup. Could I personaly do it? No, I get squeemish around needles.. It's not a moral issue, just my own personal issue with organic tissue. Now if I was a Budhist monk, I might have a different point of view.
As for Hannahs earlier comment about domestic animals. You don't seem to know much about domestic animals. The cow was the first animal to be domesticated. Cows were domesticated so long ago that really only domestic cattle exist anymore, there are no wild cattle. Domesticated animals are not just animals we keep as pets. Many people keep non-domesticated animals as pets.
So yes we do kill and eat domesticated animals on a daily basis. And it is a logicaly weak argument to say killing a cat is different from killing a pig. This false idea relies on the cuteness factor. People like fuzzy bunnies, and cats, and dogs. But less people find cows cute, so it's ok to kill them.
I have to say I am a meat eater, I love me some dead pig and cow. And yes I've eaten cows and pigs that I had seen walking around and petted the week before. I better look out, cause that's an obvious sign that I'm a psycotic. lol The idea that killing animals is inherently linked to violence against humans is bunk. People can distinguish between animals and humans. Yes in some cases a link can be esablished, but the two are not intrinsically connected. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 09:01 PM
As for the person who suggested, that we don't just cut up and pose humans as art... Have you ever seen the work of Joel Peter Witkin?
Kissing Heads
Head on a Book
And he did more..
Or. Gunther von Hagens, who is not an artist by training, rather a biologist if I recall. Of course in both of these cases the people involved were not killed to make the art. Tho some of Witkins subjects were murdered I believe. He got them from the mourge picking thru till he found one he liked. Of course even tho Hagens subjects are volenteers, He still inspires rage in some people.
Very interesting.... |
BugbearSloth
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 10:42 PM
Great site, there Hairy. I love the "Skinned squirrel head fridge magnet". I think I'll get myself one.
Wonko, I think the people who are outraged by this woman's "art" are only promoting her and making her wealthier. They are doing the opposite of stopping her. Maybe if they would just BE QUIET she wouldn't be so well known. Did I mention that I need to buy a new keyboard? |
Nicole
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 | 12:26 PM
ok- hate to bring conversation away from lynx (have seen them before, but maybe those were bobcats..) but the animals used in the photos are definately real because i heard about this artist on a site petitioned to stop it- so it isn't a hoax |
Rex D.
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 | 08:23 PM
So that's how you know if it's a hoax or not, if it's being petitioned to be stopped. |
Myst
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 | 08:29 PM
Wasn't there a petition site to stop the "bonsia kitten" site (which is a hoax site)? |
Rex D.
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 | 08:45 PM
My earlier post was sarcastic. |
Myst
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 | 08:57 PM
So was my post. 😛 |
Rex D.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 11:16 AM
Sweet! |
Nicole
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 12:36 PM
um..i could tell both of u were being sarcastic both times... anyway, the petition site was for peta so i would imagine they would investigate it before making a big deal so as not to look like idiots. also, (because now i'm getting so damn curious) i looked up an interview w/the artist and it gets pretty detailed about the proper way to dispose of animal parts in Sweden and how she gets the animals so...not an expert here, but i don't think it is photoshop
Anyway, i do think that killing an animal for a pic is completely different for food/clothing/etc.
oh...and what the hell is bonsai kitten?? |
Myst
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 02:51 PM
Hi Nicole,
Here are some links for you
First one is to a Museum of Hoaxes forum thread on the Bonsai Kittens
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forum/forum_comments/1680/
Or if you want you can skip the forum and read Alex's informative Bonsai Kittens page
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/pranks/bonsai.html
Then for good laughs is the next link, Alex's words describe it best "For some reason a lot of people stumble on this page and, without reading it, mistake it for the REAL bonsai kitten site. Then they fire off bizarre, hate-filled emails to me. I get around 5-10 of these a day."
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/comments/bonsai.html
Oh and we must not forget the Bonsai Kitten Christmas Tree Ornaments
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/1616/
Enjoy! |
X
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 02:56 PM
Well, I have taken pictures of dead animals myself, but I find them like that. I discovered I didn't like killing animals when I tried to kill a rat for my snake. It took 3 blows to the head with a hammer to put him out. My snake did the killing from that point on. |
The Curator
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 03:42 PM
I still get that Bonsai Kitten hate mail. In fact, it's been growing in amount lately. However, I set the Bonsai Kitten comments page to 'moderate comments' mode, so that I have a chance to delete the worst stuff before it appears on my site. What I don't understand is why some people feel the need to threaten me specifically. Although when they say 'I will hunt you down and stuff you in a jar to see how you like it', they may not actually be addressing me. They may be using the generic 'you'. At least, that's what I tell myself to stop from getting scared. |
Myst
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 04:17 PM
I can't believe they post stuff like that. I have to wonder how many of the posts are hoax posts themselves or are from people looking for some kind of attention. Even considering those posts there must be some seriously deranged people running around this world. Or at the very least, some people who need to learn to question what they see and read online. Of course if they bothered to read your full page on the bonsai kittens they would see it is a hoax site and has no connection to the Museum of Hoaxes other than you writing about it. *sigh* People! |
Hannah S.
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 | 12:03 AM
Sorry guys, but, how many of you say this is horrible, but eat meat at the same time. Killing an animal for food or art is disgusting but its even worse with hypocrites like many people here is this forum posting on the "pet" animals defense when they eat cows themselves... |
Nicole
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 | 08:22 AM
ok~ well i'm a vegan and i don't think eating meat is horrible- i personally don't like it, but i wouldn't criticize some1 else 4 eating it- i mean eating meat is part of nature and i don't know any other animal that chooses what it eats depending on the fuzziness or cuteness of the food...i mean, i don't like bell peppers either and i don't try to convert other ppl into pepper haters or call them disgusting when they eat them- peppers are my own hang-up....ok now i'm just rambling- it's just that cats and dogs are domesticated to be pets- they aren't anything like their ancestors b/c they have adapted to this and cows and pigs and chickens are domesticated to be eaten- and they don't exist in nature- they were pretty much created for our consumption (except for those of us who don't like the taste like me) ok i'm shutting up now |
Maegan
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 | 10:12 AM
The only thing that can be eaten w/o harming another living creature is honey. There are a few specific signs of 'life'. The object in question has a food source, and a way to produce new life being the 2 biggest signs. Plants have a food source & they reproduce. So technically, if you eat only plant products, then you are essentially killing it. (Anyone remember the nut on "Notting Hill" who only ate foods that had fallen from the tree?)
Bees help flowers & plants pollinate (sp?) - or reproduce...they turn their pollen into honey in their little magical bee way.
***Also, I noticed that a lot of people tend to skip right past any other comments or follow-up on some things that really freak them out, & go right to the angry letter writing. There are quite a few instances regarding Bonsai Kitties where people say, "This is really sick! You're all terribly evil for hurting kittens."
Well, the kitten in question? Fake. It didn't really happen. There aren't really any Bonsai Kitties sitting on someone's mantle. If I'm going to write an angry letter I try to get all my facts straight so that I can fully accuse with conviction!! 😉 |
Nicole
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 | 01:12 PM
i noticed a lot of people getting angry bout the bonsai kitten thing too- i looked at the site and it is so OBVIOUSLY fake...maybe those ppl were joking or something...anyway, technically u can eat fruit and nuts and eggs w/out harming any living thing-not directly anyway..u are affecting it's attempt at reproduction but u aren't actually killing it |
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 | 08:41 PM
i dont thinlk that Nathalia would have killed the animals for her art. i think that she did it digitally or somthing. i hope she didnt kill them. i dont believe animals should be murdered for art....or fur.....or anything superficial.
~Jess |
Rex D.
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 | 09:06 PM
She killed 'em alright. She even said it herself, along with the groups trying to ban her 'art' while trying to get some legal issues taken care of also. |
X
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 | 11:03 AM
I just read that post by Hannah, and I have to say, that is one of the stupidist comments I have read. There is a huge difference between killing for eating and killing for art. Com' on now, I swear, some of you veg's are a little out there. I'm not into the torture and brutality I have seen on the peta site,thats uncalled for, but if you want to get technical, your plants, veggies, and fruits are living organisms as well. This kind of food activist stuff is going a little too far, one day, people like this will only eat food if it is made purely of chemicals in a lab so they don't have to eat a living organism. I LOVE meat, I will slaughter the cow myself if I had to, and after the meat is eaten, I will do what I like with the hide. It is called "The Food Chain" and we wouldn't be hear without it. |
Rex D.
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 | 11:55 AM
We are all animals whether you like it or not Hannah and we follow nature, for it is our nature to hunt and kill for food. Why can the other animals of this world, but not we? The food chain has one thing eating another, in case you failed to notice, and one of the things on our list is cows and such. We have been doing this since the begining of time and will continue to do so until the end of time.
Some 'greenies' like to say that is not true because we don't have the teeth for it, when we did in fact at one time and that we don't digest it quite well, when actually, we were not designed too well for milk and dairy products. Cavemen did not suck on a cows tit for something to drink with their meal.
The difference between killing something for food and killing something for art is huge and if you can't see that, stop breathing my air. |
iwannabelieve
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 | 04:53 PM
Hmm... That looks like really clever photomanipulation to me... |
TRISHA
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 | 09:38 PM
LETS USE YOUR BIG HEAD FOR PUPPETS BITCH! |
Rex D.
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 | 09:21 AM
DANG!!! |
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 | 07:54 PM
Hi.
I find this really, really interesting. I'm whether she actually kills the animals humanely or not. It's hard to tell because I read that she is being sued for killing them inhumanely and the gallery says she is killing them humanely, back & forth, blah blah blah. I guess the only way to know for sure would be if you were present when she killed. (As if she's a Blck Widow, no?)
Animals killed for food are NOT killed humanely unless it says so on their packaging. It's a little lie we tell oursevles to ease our guilt. If we have no guilt at all about eating meat it's because we don't know the facts about how our meat is produced. Today's 'factory farms, are completely different than the images of farms we might imagine to exist in our heads.
I am an artist, and of course I think it is gross for her to kill animals and incorporate them as 'art'. But I also have issues with people who just bury their heads in the sand and just go on eating meat like it's 'natural,' like it's their fucking right as a superior being. I really applaud the guy who said that meat is delicious & that he would kill the damn cow himself if he could! That's what I want to hear! A lot of others simply living with their head in the clouds like, well I eat cow and wear leather so I'm not wasting anything. As if that one cow provided dozens of yummy burgers and about 3.5 coats for a dept. store. Just scoop out the perfect little ground beef patties after a cow dies. Please do more research. The hamburger you are eating is the ground up meat from hundreds of cows from all over the country, who have been fed myriad hormones and economical cheap waste to make them grow grostequely big and produce more meat for the farm's dollar. Plenty of cows die while they are being transported, and also get sick and die in the horrible conditions they live in! Their meat is NOT being conserved and utilized to the last pelt or morsel! I don't even want to say what they do to pigs and chickens because a lot of it is unimaginable. But I bet a lot of you wouldn't care because you don't consider them important animals.
'Ummmm, yeah meat is good, I loves me a bloody hamburger.' Well most of us do! Most meat is delicious and I'm not gonna argue that at all. I just object to our ignorance about the way animals are raised and exploited and killed for our food. We also suffer myriad medical problems as we get older (heart disease is #1 by a landslide in carnivores!) due to a lifetime of meat consumption.
After awhile I felt guilty eating meat because I thought it was inconsistent w/my character. I've always loved animals since I was a toddler. SO I told myself that if I would only eat things that I could kill myself. SO right now the only thing that I'm eating that was once alive is clams andmussels. So yeah, I'm a hyprocrite for not treating all life as equal. (And who in their right mind would rather see a cockroach live than kill it?) But I've found I can't kill anything else.
No, hunting and Nathalia's art aren't aything I support. However I do think that hunters and Nathalia are not hyprocrites. There are right there, doing the killing, seeing what the animal looks like when it dies. Not just when it's presented all pretty for us on our plates, neither killed by us nor resembling a freshly killed animal. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 | 10:41 PM
Okay, got a LITTLE off topic there...
Anyways, as to whether this chick kills these animals or not, I have not yet made up my mind. Not enough info for me to really decide or even form a serious bias.
I think part of the message she may be trying to get across is that we basically use these animals as animate decorations anyway (i.e. pets), so why not as use them as inanimate decorations?
Whether or not she kills them, of course, or how she does it, is just something that they (they being her and the gallery making money off of this) will sensationalize as much as possible.
For the obvious motivating factors, of course... publicity, fame, and that good ol thing we call cash (and I don't mean Johnny).
For all we know, it is all just a publicity story cooked up by the involved parties, including supplying "info" to the police or whoever to get her charged, and then OF COURSE she would walk for lack of evidence.
Then again, for all we know, this is just some twisted sadistic bitch that thinks pain is fun, especially when she can give it away. |
Nicole
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 | 07:35 AM
ok...wow....way to go off topic. people eating meat or not is a preference. it has NOTHING to do with this artist killing animals and photographing their bodies. n o t h i n g. and i'm a vegetarian who feels this way. i can't stand it when people always turn any subject into their own sermon. it's annoying as hell. |
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 | 07:49 AM
Ooh, the irony there. |
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 | 08:28 AM
UPDATE!!!: Response to Electra:
I was the one that made a The Cow Comment. I will Keep this short cause it tends to piss people off about getting off topic, but it is in the same area.
One of my worst fears have came to life. I had blood work done and I was Told to stay away from Red Meat!! My Triglycerides were at a 986 (should be 150 or lower). That is severe, Im 29, and only 10-15 lbs. over weight.
I will no longer be able to KILL that YUMMY COW any more. I can only eat the abused chickens that get kicked around at the factory, YEAH, I seen the PETA video. |
Myst
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 | 10:45 AM
Now I am going to go way off topic, but only because you concerned me with your triglycerides level, Stephen.
My husband had to take Lipitor because of his cholesterol levels, but we found something much cheaper with a lot less side effects. It is a supplement called L-Arginine. Our doctor was completely surprised by the results my husband got from taking it, she eventually took him off of Lipitor.
I am going to recommend a product from a specific company, the reason for this is because I know the quality of their products. Here is a link to the product: <a href="http://www.swansonvitamins.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=16471">Swanson Vitamins</a>
If you are currently taking any cholesterol lowering drugs and you decide to try this please be sure to tell your doctor you are taking it. If it works for you like it did for my husband your doctor may have to adjust your prescription medication!
Sorry I went off topic, Alex, you can sick Hairy on me for my transgression. |
Nicole
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 | 12:31 PM
shut up boo! i don't preach! :( |
Boo
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 | 06:28 AM
Freedom of speech and all, Nicole...
But it was mean and I do apologise.
😊 |
Hapi
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 | 10:22 PM
So many of you address that we should be taking care of eachother instead of worrying about this. However, behavior like this relates to how we treat others. Did you know Nathalia Edenmont has had mental trouble in life and her "art" is more reminicent of early stages of psychosis. Nearly all serial killers and other such deviants start on animals to make a point, for fun, or some other compulsion.
Whether the animal was unwanted or not is irrelevant. How about I take one of those elderly people and slaughter them for the sake of art, or a terminally ill child. They're going to die anyway right?! I'll be doing them a favor right?
So what if we are higher on the food chain than a cat or a mouse. When you can justify the needless killing of an animal, it's not so hard to justify the death of a human being.
Think about it. Where is our compassion for all living beings? So you eat meat, does it have to live in a feed lot and have such a horrific life so you can eat a hamburger? Mice can be an annoyance, but does that justify the killing of one for art? How about the guy in California on trial for raping & mutilating a cat. It was just a cat right? Wrong. & had they taken a picture, it would have been art by Nathalia Edenmont's standards. With people like this, next week, it could be you or your children. FACT.
How we treat animals is representative of how we treat eachother. Needlessly killing an animal to make people "feel" somehthing is wrong. And we have become so self absorbed and desensitized to violence that we don't care anymore. Just because it has been done in the past doesn't make it right or we'd still be killing each other over the smallest dispute and sacrificing other people like they did for thoudands of years. |
Hapi
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 | 10:37 PM
Btw, yea I realize we still kill eachother over the smallest disputes, but not on a mass scale like we used to. I's no longer law to die for being muddy in front of the king of England or begging for food.(not an exaggeration) |
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