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Rod
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 | 10:40 PM
"How we treat animals is representative of how we treat eachother." - Hapi
Is that why my litterbox never gets changed?
"Just because it has been done in the past doesn't make it right or we'd still be killing each other over the smallest dispute and sacrificing other people like they did for thoudands of years." - Hapi
Open your eyes. Then look around. What do you see? |
Smerk
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 | 10:44 PM
Hapi said - I's no longer law to die for being muddy in front of the king of England...
Hmmmm...could this be because there is no King? 😕 |
Rod
in the land of smarties.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 | 10:48 PM
Okay, Hapi, are you psychic or something? How the hell did you manage to respond to my question 3 minutes before I posted it?
😕 |
Anton
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 | 12:29 AM
If it turns out to be true that her killing for art is not fake than I BADLY want to kill her. Specifically I want to saw her head off with a curved
blade and before hand have her plead for her life. Part of the artistic value is that like the murder of Nick Berg I want to film her being killed and upload it to the internet:) |
Super Man
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 | 02:26 AM
Pretty much i love to kill animals and little puppies especially.. like when gwar came to town and had little puppies running on stage then they stepped on their heads and squished the puppies dead. I like to hang cats from there neck in the tree in my back yard and watch them be strangled to death. sometimes i'll even take a pelet gun and try to shoot there feet off while there still alive. that brings alot of joy to me. have you ever sawed off a cats head its hilarious. they struggle alot but then they get really quiet |
Rod
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 | 03:07 AM
Oh Goody! The goth wannabe's have arrived. I'll alert the press, Hairy, you pour the drinks.
Isn't it sad when teenagers grab onto this shit and really don't know what they're talking about?
But, then again, tis better to be a goth than to be a politician. |
Hapi
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 | 08:38 AM
I know theres no fucking king of England, I was pointing out a law people had in the past and kept for many years, yet we know now is wrong.
You all making fun of me is proving my point exactly. That we have little compassion for living beings and SHOCKER! eachother.
And yes, the killing is real. |
Rod
in the land of smarties.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 | 09:03 AM
Yes, Hapi, you're so right. I guess this proves that I molest llamas and ferrets for a living, just because I was sarcastic to you.
How does my use of (mildly) humorous sarcasm relate to your point? Just because I show little compassion for others does not mean that I spent time killin cats when I was a kid.
But, then again, try explaining that to the people buried in my basement :lol: |
LaMa
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 | 09:46 AM
Rod wrote....: I guess this proves that I molest llamas
W-what...?!!!! Rod, you, you...... 🐛 |
Rod
in the land of smarties.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 | 10:04 AM
And ferrets, don't forget the ferrets.
Why, did you wake up feeling a little sore and dirty today?
😕 |
Myst
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 | 12:39 PM
Why, did you wake up feeling a little sore and dirty today?
Could it be that you and LaMa spent the night romping around in that mud puddle. I told you two to stop ferreting around, but would you listen? 😠 |
LaMa
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 | 12:58 PM
Myst,
I deny,I deny,I vigorously deny!!!!!!! :grrr:
Lama's have a high sense of bodily integrity and do not ferret around with bald horned fanged creatures...
Matter of fact, I did feel a bit sore today, but that was the hangover due to the excellent port wine Tiz and Alex (not the MOH Alex, but one with boobs) had under the cork yesterday... 😏 |
Myst
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 | 01:05 PM
Uh huh. Yes, I see those wings sprouting from your back, but you need to straighten up your halo, it's sitting crookedly on top of your horns. 😜 |
Smerk
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 01:39 AM
Hey Rod, I think Hapi was having a go at me!
Hapi, I know there's no K. of E. It's just when I see people post stupid things like that, I have to respond in kind. It doesn't reflect at all on the amount of compassion I feel for my fellow humans and animals. I don't see how having a sense of humor proves I don't?
BTW, I could've made some stupid comment about you appearing before royalty in a state of disarray, or about the cleanliness of England's streets (which, since I don't live there, I can't). I just thought the easiest would be to pick up on the most obvious error in your statement, and make a remark. I can't help it if you can't take it in the sarcastic manner it was given. |
LaMa
in Europe
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 08:49 AM
Look Rod, this is why you should not abuse Lama's. They are cute, see?
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php
So stick to the ferrets. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 09:29 AM
Rod, abusing your Llama is very, very uncool. Llamas roam freely amongst the Nazca Plain, the Pamas, and the Paunas... should they amble your way, they will spit on you, trample your feet, and crap on your shoes. Ferrets just bite off your eyelids. Your choice, but I suggest self-abuse. That way you can spit on yourself, etc., and get away with it. Plus, if you post the video on the net, PETA won't crap on your shoes, either |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 09:33 AM
Sorry- I left a "P" out of the word "Pampas"... I had just woken up a bit ago, and needed to take a p, so I did. Mistakes were made. I blame Tom Delay |
Rod
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 11:38 AM
"Rod, abusing your Llama is very, very uncool" - NOT Raoul
Is it abuse if the llama likes it?
😊 |
Lydie
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 08:06 PM
It's interesting to watch how far off topic people can get in a forum.
BTW, I think the mice popping out of the eggs are cute. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 08:18 PM
yeah... why can't some of you people stay on topic? It's like you get all distracted by tangental concepts real easily... like a moth. I get these real big moths by me- Luna moths, I think... and dragonflies... dragonflies are cool. |
Smerk
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 08:35 PM
To carry on the insanity - Hairy, what do you think of flying dragons? :cheese: |
Rod
in the land of smarties.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 08:44 PM
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/dgifs/Dragonfly_bw.GIF
I hate it when those things get stuck in the rad.
And one scared the crap out of me while I was welding one time. It landed on my ear, and when I reached up to flip the helmet up, it went nuts between the mask and my face. I had no idea what it was, but I think I may have set the record for helmet removal that day.
Has anyone dug up any NEW info on this woman? I look every once in a while, but I haven't seen anything. I'd really like to know what the actual story is behind her "art". |
Myst
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 09:07 PM
Oops! How many Hail Hairy Houdini's do I have to say? |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 09:39 PM
Oh my God, I am hardly sorry, for having offended Tim... (don't get me started) |
Smerk
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 | 09:44 PM
Rod, there doesn't appear to be any NEW info on this woman. The top result on google just brings up the site referenced in the original post. All the rest of it seems to be articles relating to the gallery(ies) showing her work, or forums discussing said work.
As for the dragonflies, don't appear to get many of them here. I suppose because they breed in the same places as mozzies, which get sprayed on a regular basis. Now that's a terrifying experience - waking up to hear a high pitched whine in the middle of the night, knowing that there's some evil little bugger wanting to suck your blood in the room with you. |
Nicole
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 | 12:10 PM
Hey, don't mean to get the conversation off topic (it's already dabbled in ferret and llama molestation...) but, how do u post a pic for ur name...u know, a pic of urself or a dragon or cat eyes or whatever- i really have NO idea what i'm doing on this hoax forum thing but i'd like to find that out.... |
X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 | 12:33 PM
How To Add an Avatar
Create a 50x50 pixel image. Your image will be automatically resized to 50x50 when it appears on this site, so if it's bigger or smaller than this it may end up looking squashed or stretched out.
Upload it to a server. There are plenty of free image hosting sites around to upload it to, such as photobucket.com.
Copy down the url path to your image.
Return to the Museum of Hoaxes and click on the 'login' link. Then click on 'my account'. Then click on 'edit my profile'
In the field labelled 'avatar' type in the url of your image.
Click 'Update' and you're done.
Oh, and keep your avatar 'safe for work' |
Nicole
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 | 02:13 PM
ummm......thanks
once i figure out what that means i'm on it 😉 sorry, i just am not all that experienced when it comes to the internet... i'll figure it out sooner or later though |
X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 | 02:44 PM
ooooook, it works like this.
For, example, Right click on my picture. a screen will appear and you want to click on properties. Then when that screen pop's up, you will see "Address" or "URL". Copy that. This works on almost every picture on the net. Then, on this site, on the home page, click on the Login link, then, my account, then edit profile. Scroll down until it says "Avatar" and paste the Address of the picture. |
X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 | 02:54 PM
But don't use my picture. That was just an example. |
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 12:10 AM
back on topic...
I've heard of people putting newborn animals such as kittens in a special vase or jar..."bonsi kitty" i think's the name
i think it's absolutly disturbing...
but i agree that with photoshop pretty much anything is possible |
Smerk
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 02:03 AM
Yes, Bonsai Kittens are a hoax, and can be found on this site. Please feel free to look around while you're here, but don't touch anything. I can't be bothered trying to find it myself, otherwise I would post the link here. |
Maegan
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 06:20 AM
I could have bet money that we were going to get another Bonsai Kitty post in here.
I'm suffering from some sort of eye rolling affliction. Everytime I see someone post something that's already been dealt with...my eyes start rolling. |
Nicole
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 08:31 AM
ok the bonsai kitties are fake. fake fake fake fake.i looked at the site for 2 sec and could tell it wasn't real....not even a particularly good hoax really. |
Silent Fish
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 09:23 AM
Sounds similar to the bonsai kitten hoax, maybe she does it just to annoy animal lovers, people can be sick to animals I think I read an article on how 2 10 year old boys got 50 years in prison for putting a cat in a microwave and blowing it up (for fun) |
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 | 05:53 PM
God, the majority of you people are insanely stupid! Here is a quote from one of the amazingly intelligent people here... "The way I see it, your dumb and I'm going to get a laugh out of you if your dumb, but your going to play like your not dumb, I'm going to laugh even harder. Dumb-ass!" -Rex D
How inspirational...Just becuase there are problems involving your own species does that not mean that you cant also stick up for animals too? There really is no difference between companion animals and other animals other than the fact that hundreds of years ago some people captured them and came up with some "brilliant" idea on how to use the animal for their personal benefit. Im not saying that I agree with this "artist", but there are much worse forms of cruelty toward animals in the meat industry. Learn to respect other forms of life. We all think, feel, and love, but it is us the supposed "superior" that feels the need to dominate and abuse species due to our selfish desires. |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 | 06:23 PM
aa said..."but there are much worse forms of cruelty toward animals in the meat industry."
Eating meat and making meat available to other humans isn't cruelty... it's nature, life, the order of things.
Your mouth isn't full of molars only FOR A REASON! 2 billion years plus of evolutionary engineering just tossed aside because someone thinks we shouldn't eat meat. That's funny! Do you know what incisors or eye teeth are for? They certainly aren't for crushing your asparagus spears.
Humans eating what we SHOULD isn't as you put it...the supposed "superior" that feels the need to dominate and abuse species due to our selfish desires.
It's not abuse OR due to selfish desires. It's called SURVIVAL. It's called being biological, we eat what we're supposed to... except for nitwits that think they can just undo eons of evolutionary design on a whim, because they don't like the thought of eating anything with a face. What crap! If you're going to assign value to every life then what right do you have to end the "life" of a plant anymore than you do an animal? What's the difference there? Plants live just as animals do. Is it because you don't see movement? What? What justifies killing plants but not animals? I still think that someday people will see that we're meant, and need, to consume meat and those that go an entire lifetime without doing so will suffer from unforseen effects of such. |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 | 06:31 PM
Also SilentFish,
Speaking just for the US here but... Even when a 10-year old commits "murder" they have a hard time justifying a sentence of that length. Just to clarify I mean murder of a person. Someone of such a young age probably wouldn't be tried as an adult and probably wouldn't be detained past the age of 21 for murder.
So there is NO way that 2 minors were sentenced to "any" time for killing a cat. Recently (about 2 years ago) a deputy, off-duty and at home, witnessed his neighbor shooting his cat with a .22 rifle. The neighbor shot the cat over 50 times! Needless to say a big deal followed. Charges of cruelty to animals were filed and followed up on because the deputy had video taped the act after noticing what was going on. The outcome, the guy got the maximum penalty allowed by state law... $1,000 fine and 30 days jail time. Then they turned around and suspended the jail time because the animal was his. No way anyone gets a jail time sentence of any length over cruelty to animals... not in the USA.
Also, I'm not saying that it's right... but "cruelty to animals" just isn't really regarded as a serious crime anywhere in this country. |
Boo
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 | 05:34 AM
I think I read an article on how 2 10 year old boys got 50 years in prison for putting a cat in a microwave and blowing it up (for fun)
For fun as opposed to what?
Scientific research?
Euthanasia? |
Maegan
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 | 09:50 AM
I just had a double cheeseburger, but I don't think any real cows were harmed in the process. |
Smerk
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 | 08:40 PM
On the subject of harming cats, I remember a couple of teenagers just recently here get picked up for seriously assaulting a kitten. Can't remember what their sentence ended up being (if it's even been through the courts yet). |
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 | 11:56 PM
if anyone is interested there is a short article on Nathalia in the Spring 2005 issue of BlackBook magazine. to find this magazine you might have to go to a magazine stand, not just your local market...meaning - you wont find it at the checkout |
Mika
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 | 05:46 PM
Indeed it is CRUEL to kill any life form, but humans have to eat to survive, as a lion or a tiger would. but i think that should be it, we should'nt be killing animals or humans for un-necessary purposes like furs or stuffed models for display, or in this case, art.
I would'nt think twice on eating an animal if i am starving, but i wouldn't think twice before eating a human either. =/
There have been a lot of cases where people started eating each other in starvations or when trapped in icy caves. Sounds sick? But you'll probably do it too if it was you.
It's wrong to slaughter any life form for no reasons. I wouldn't want to be killed just because: there are a lot of humans around anyways. or : i want to kill you to make a point. |
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 | 07:40 PM
as an ametuer graphic artist the "photos" look phony. I have been able to make my cat look like she's flipping off the camera. that doesn't mean i literally cut off her toes to construct it into "the bird." i just personally think these pictures are fake and only until you can actually mess around with a program like photoshop you can see that the pictures have been edited. if they are real they HAVE been retouched and in that case this artist is sick. but i still don't even believe that. when i first saw the pics on the museum's webpage i thought it was a hoax and started searching for more info. it brought me here and i had to say my piece. |
Carley
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 | 12:43 AM
hi im a 12 year old girl and i heard about what they r doing to these poor lil kitten and it breaks my heart i have a lil kitten named Boo well i got her when my other kitten died near halloween and i got her but any ways i think the kitten story is real and when i heard it i started to cry i wish they would stop doing that cant they buy t-shirt or normal toys not dead kittens glued in a bottle i love animals i think that man should go 2 jail and stop doing that and who ever buys them have serious problems -Carley |
Boo
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 | 02:19 AM
🐛
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Boo
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 | 05:40 PM
Methinks someone has confused Bonsai kittens and this thread... |
sebax
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 | 08:27 PM
animal liberation! fucking assholes!!!! |
Yolanda
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 | 01:47 PM
I read thru the Wetterling Gallery's website.
Edmonton DOES kill the animals she uses. According to the gallery, the message of her "art" is her anger at the soviets for having killed her mother.
The only message I read in her art, is that I wish the soviets had killed her mother sooner... like before she had a chance to reproduce. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 | 06:37 PM
Apparently her art can't stand on it's own merits, so she has to resort to shocking her audience to get there attention.
She's just a mediocre artist with a camera.
I also read the website, and the curator says she's doing this to create awareness of animal rights issues...and that art is food for the soul...
I can't imagine what kind of person would feel this crap nourishes their soul. |
Sakano
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 | 10:34 AM
"The only message I read in her art, is that I wish the soviets had killed her mother sooner... like before she had a chance to reproduce."
I definitely agree. They could have saved a lot of animals.
Seriously, what do they have to do with her dead mom? The animals didn't kill her, and I doubt that the soviets care. Time to move on, lady. |
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 | 05:39 PM
ok! lets start with the bear comment. For one we are not on the kodiak bear lunck menu. The only reason they attack humens is simply becouse, we are on their territory. Were we have no buisness being. Animals were here many centrey's ago long before humans were. So I think we should show some respect for mother nature. Everyone has their own opinion.And now I'm voicing mine! Animals should not be killed for our own personal gain. Besides what do you have to gain? Respect? I doubt it! Also I do not Believe in MAN using animals for their circus acts. Animals belong in the wild. They are wild animals PEOPLE! they are not ment to be caged up. And trained for Mans own personal entertainment.People please! save your hard earned tax dollars. 😉 |
Nicole
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 | 11:38 AM
ok- this message board doesn't have ANYTHING to do w/bonsai trees, as far as i know...but..thanks for the info i guess.... |
Nicole
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 | 11:47 AM
also, there seems to be an ongoing debate about whether or not the artist uses dead animals or the artwork is the product of photoshop. For the last time, YES they are dead animals- check out: http://www.getunderground.com/underground/galleries/gallery.cfm?Album_ID=547
Direct quote:'[Nathalia]is not the first to use dead animals in her works of art - that has been done at least since the 1700s, but she is a contemporary debater who provokes questions which nowadays everyone should ask themselves.'
how much clearer can it be??? |
iluvmyguitar19
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 | 07:16 PM
Humans only have a problem hurting something when its cute and cuddly. You stick a cockroach in there and people would demand it killed. |
graphicphoto
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 | 04:34 PM
It is obvious that most people who have made comments here are neither educated in the field of art or photography. Art is very much subjective and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However to the people who think they know everything about how this artist created these images, I have news for you. First of all a C print is done using a camera that takes film which would negate the Photoshop theory. Unless of course she took a picture of her digital photo...seriously doubt it. Second of all, to the ignoramous who made the comment about it was okay to kill animals for certain purposes but not for art. That is crap. It's all the same. Third, I have done a huge series on the deaths of small animal, none of which I killed. I had the help of the roadways and a local pet store. I know from experience that if the animal is fresh that is will still appear to be alive. I am not defending her work, I am just saying that if you are going to comment, please educate yourself.
http://pets.webshots.com/album/232693038fyZiYk
Now everyone can comment on how sick my photos are because they will obviously miss the point of the series. My work is about recognizing that the deaths of tiny animals should not be overlooked as unimportant. We have huge ceremonies for our dead, yet we don't hesitate to flush a goldfish or throw the hamster in the trash. How many of you have ever stopped after you hit a cat or a squirrel or a bird? Don't just look at the photos, look at the series and use your brain to see why they were done. |
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 | 08:04 PM
LOUIS VOUITON IS Not UGLY!!
and i'm doing the red rose with the eye ball as my school report
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 | 06:40 AM
What are you whining about? Are you eating food like meat and fish?
If not - i give you respect for your thoughts.
The rest of you should think about all the rabbits, cows etc that are being killed because YOU eat animals.
Billions of animals has to be killed because you fancy to eat them! |
Jessica
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 | 09:25 PM
They are real, and she kills them herself. Check this link out. http://www.peta.org.uk/feat/wetterling/ |
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 | 03:13 AM
Natalia Edenmont is just a poacher with a camera instead of a gun. She is just like any other animal killer just that she shows off her killings in the form of art. I wouldnt be able to kill a rabbit or a cat just to take off its head and stick it in a vase and display it in an art gallery and i think that all people who can do that are wrong in the head and so i think that the death of her mother sent her mental
How ever i think that if instead of using alive cats she used dead ones then that would not be so bad(even though it is wrong anyway).But if she uses a young animal then that animal(however unlikely there still is a possibility that it can happen)could cure all of the world problems.
And i dont think that eating cats and dogs is wrong because how can you sit around a table and eat beef,lamb or chicken and say that eating cats and dogs is wrong(if you are a vegan then this dosnt apply to you)just because you can keep a cat or dog in your house and teach it tricks dosnt give it an automatic free life.
See ya laters |
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