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Kerry un-concede?
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Posted By:
Mary Penttinen-King
Nov 11, 2004
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Is thisa hoax? A friend tellls me there is no Nancy Butler, Lawyer, at the address given. BREAKING---KERRY TO UNCONCEDE IF THERE IS EVIDENCE OF FRAUD
FORWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW
EMAIL FROM DC LAWYER CYNTHIA BUTLER
I am angry and getting emails and recrimination from people wondering why KERRY just caved and is not fighting this before the final count in Ohio, before any of the fraud was challenged, before New Mexico and Iowa even came in.
There is widespread feeling that he did not lose the election and that it was taken from him.
There is enough here to warrant investigation and enough to challenge the results. It's coming from all corners.
I understand that he has until the official count certification in Ohio to Un Concede which is several days from now.
Anyone who thinks that he should unconcede should give reasons why - whatever they noticed, particularly in Red Republican Governed States using electronic machines- and send them directly to Cameron KERRY, John Kerry's brother at his law firm at the address .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
They should inform us if they were not allowed to vote provisionally (for whatever reason- they lost forms, ran out of forms, etc.) I personally witnessed a number of things as I reported in Texas with the DCCC. (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee)
If you know anyone in particular in Ohio who tried to vote and was turned away at the polls please get their information and notify the campaign.
They should be notified if they experienced lines longer than four hours -particularly elderly or infirm people (we call that torture when they do it to political prisoners) . They should be notified if people were told as has been reported that due to too many people showing up in African American precincts, particularly in Ohio where there were too few booths (some only had two or three for the entire precinct) and told because of heavy turn out they could vote on Wednesday. If the numbers of these sorts of incidents creates a percentage margin that exceeds the margin of victory- Un Concession has to be made to challenge the count.
If people wanted to and tried to vote and were prevented or actively discouraged from doing so, that is a Civil Rights matter and must be dealt with in terms of the ultimate count.
This is the last email that I am writing on this subject in this venue. I am taking it up in other venues.
Please pass along this to your listservs so that we may make Democracy Work in America. We are not a country where he who cheats best wins.
Cynthia L. Butler
BUTLER LAW FIRM, P.C.
1717 K St. NW, Suite 600
Washington, DC 20036
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Cynthia L. Butler
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 01:58 PM
Meagan, Megan, Maegen, WHATEVER
IT's SPAM, and NO, I didn't request it. I requested it stop. I requested it be removed. I requested that the little campaign of deliberate disinformation stop. But no- people profit off deliberate disinformation.
This doesn't belong on a HOAX chain at all.
THERE WAS FRAUD in the election, I am convinced that will be eventually proved. If it happens before Jan. 19 you can better believe Kerry will step up to the plate.
I will indeed notify AOL of spam if I get another email indicating someone has posted a comment to this.
Because it is unwelcome, Untruth and it needs to stop. Anyone who wants to believe that this or I am a hoax is also welcome to believe we "accomplished" the "mission" in Iraq when Bush stood on the aircraft carrier over a year ago and ten beheadings ago.
I urge anyone else who has a shred of concern about this or truth seeking bone in their body to go to the many other sites that call for action and let their voice be heard and known. It's not a time to be passive or let anyone get away with any of this.
This isn't my crusade- this is the crusade of MILLIONS of people who are blogging and reading blogs out there.
Now leave me alone. I have real work to do.
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Maegan
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 02:06 PM
"IT's SPAM, and NO, I didn't request it. I requested it stop. I requested it be removed. I requested that the little campaign of deliberate disinformation stop."
Hmm...Tell me again, where you clicked, "I no longer wish to be notified of a thread that I blasted with long-winded posts about something that I have misconstrued to the point that no one can tell what I'm talking about anymore."
The original post was a question: Is this a hoax? All you had to do was say, no, sweetheart. No, CyNtHiA l BuTlEr is a real person! Now, you have to be good or you'll become a wooden puppet! |
Cynthia L. Butler
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 02:07 PM
Clearly Meagen, Megan, Maegen, Mogan, WHATEVER- you need a real job.
Stop. OTT people OTT |
Maegan
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 02:16 PM
I have a real job. =o(
Or are you saying my job is a hoax? I can assure you that I am sitting here right now. OR my company has been paying me for the last 3 years, but it's not real money. Maybe they paid me in wooden nickels. This computer? It feels real, it must be real. OR am I just imagining the whole thing & it IS a hoax!!! GAH! The insanity of it all! I'M A HOAX! MY NAME IS A HOAX, MY JOB IS A HOAX! *I* AM A HOAX!
Phew...now that my tongue is out of my cheek I can breathe just a little better.
P.S. If you feel like I don't have a real job b/c I can reply in real-time...Then you must not have a real job...b/c your replies are coming back to me just as quickly. I'm multi-tasking. I reply while I wait for claims to load so I can generate the features for adjusters. La-de-da...you claim is loading...
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Myst
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 02:21 PM
Cynthia,
No you did not put this e-mail here in this forum, however, someone who visits here recieved it in their e-mail. They posted it in an effort to seek the truth, there is nothing wrong with that.
One thing you must realize about the net is that sometimes an e-mail you send to "friends" will get forwarded on, there is nothing you can do to stop it. Once it leaves your inbox it can take on a life of its own.
There are many sites on the web which focus on stopping chain mails be they true or false. Many of us get tired of recieving these Forwarded e-mails. We join together in an effort to stop this.
You have made your point, you wrote the e-mail, but did not intend it to be sent around the net like it has been. This is not our fault, we are not your enemy, Alex is not your enemy. You claim you seek truth, well so do all of us who visit this site. Stop blaming Alex and all of us. It was only posted in an effort to find the truth, something you claim to care so much about.
Last but not least, this is not a political forum. Like minded individuals come here to share our thoughts on the latest myths, urban legends, rumors and hoaxes. We find some to be true and some to be false. Can we please move on to the topic of Alex's site!
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Paul
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 02:25 PM
Dear GOD,
I hope she doesn't own a gun..... |
Cynthia L. Butler
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 02:25 PM
Which corporation should we advise that you are using company time and company computers to engage in this vitrolic abuse?
I run my own shop- I can fend off crazies all day long if I think it necessary.
Now go pick someone else you don't know to be an obsessive whack job over -
try the Queen of England, or let's see,
who else doesn't deserve it- Julia Robert, maybe you have an obsessive crush on Angelina Jolie and want to start writing annoying things to her- how about Patty Labelle. Let's see if I can think of anyone else that might intrigue you more than a lawyer just trying to do work and be left in peace. Seriously. You need to get a life.
The next absurdly pathetic email that you write to me will not be responded to even if you call me the Son of Sam because clearly you have a problem that not even Dr. Phil could resolve. But I do recommend therapy.
Bye Bye.
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Paul
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 02:29 PM
I recommend therapy too..... |
Maegan
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 02:30 PM
That's it! I'm goin' home.
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Maegan
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 02:31 PM
...and I'm taking my toys WITH ME. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 03:02 PM
Son of Cynthia (sorry, I couldn't resist), don't assume any political position on my part... you'd find I'm closer to your views than you may think. I, however, know where to draw the line between assertions and rants. Not that she needs it, but let me stand beside our friend Maegan- she has NEVER offered vitriol on this board. Most of us are pretty well grounded in reality and Civility here, something you may do well to embrace. Best of Luck- back to the hoaxes |
BugbearSloth
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 04:30 PM
What kind of name is "BugbearSloth"? Umm, wellll, lessee here... it is a SCREEN NAME. I have to tell an attorney this? <<shudders with terror>>
The fact of the matter is, "Cynthia", that we are posting messages on a forum, and not emailing you. I suppose we might jump on Queen of England, Julia Robert [sic], Angelina Jolie, Patty Labelle or even Dr. Phil if they came on to this forum and started doing the same things you have been doing. But since they are not, I'd say most of us would be content to leave them alone.
You also seem to think that a bunch of people are making money off of you or something. I can assure you that I have made no money. Alex might be making money from book sales and other whatnots that are linked to this site, but none of that would have much of anything to do with you.
So far as therapy goes, I've been thinking that it is something you should look into for awhile now. Or at least get into some relaxing meditation technique or something. Sheesh. |
Paul
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 04:37 PM
Okay...well sorry, she's got me there....I DO have an obsessive crush on Angelina Jolie..but for all the other things: I agree with you BugbearSloth.
(What the hell kinda name is THAT?) 😉
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The Curator
in San Diego
Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 07:15 PM
Wow. I was gone for most of the day, but I see things didn't die down on this particular thread.
Here's how to remove yourself from getting those emails notifying you of follow-up comments: there should be a link at the bottom of every email you receive that, if you click, will stop the updates from coming.
If there's not, let me know. |
Casey W.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 10:13 PM
Call me crazy, but didn't miss Cynthia say she was no longer going to reply in this thread two pages ago?
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Paul
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 | 10:19 PM
Cindy, Cynthia, whatever, used finally and lastly a number of times, only to come back again....and again..... |
Cynthia L. Butler
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 | 03:36 AM
For Real the Last time, because I will block you all as spam if this blatant harassment does not stop.
While you all naval-gaze, and while the real crazies can't tell the difference between what is Real, what is a Hoax even after seven pages of explanation, and what morally requires your action,
Bush is NAPALMing Iraqis. Do any of you know what NAPALM is? Are any of you older than twelve?
If you would rather waste your energy still trying to trash talk someone who didn't ask to have their email posted to this or any site, I suggest that your energies could be directed to more productive ways to bring goodness to the earth. If this story doesn't have you crying or marching in the streets, you need a major reality check and an appointment with Dr. Phil. How is that working for you?
NAPALM- Bush the War Criminal.
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14920109&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=fallujah-napalmed-name_page.html
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Paul
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 | 04:40 AM
And again.... |
BugbearSloth
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 | 06:13 AM
"Cynthia", do you mean that if you do not stop harassing us that you are going to block us all as spam? I'm really starting to worry about you, kiddo...
So far as the NAPALM thing goes, I've read reports that US forces have been calling Depleted Uranium Munitions (DUM) napalm while in Iraq. This makes no sense to me, but then again, I don't understand NASCAR either.
The Mirror UK is not known for its overwhelming journalistic integrity, either. If this was discussed by MP's, I wonder if they are misconstruing the slang used by US forces as actual use of napalm.
Here are some more references about "napalm" use in Iraq:
http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=100443&list=/home.php
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Maegan
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 | 08:07 AM
Cindy-loo-who,
Alex said that you can click the link at the bottom of your email notification...and you'll stop getting the notification.
Hmm...that'll teach me just to click a link & then delete the email. Maybe I'll actually read it next time. =o)
P.S. I'm hard at work again! |
Maegan
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 | 08:12 AM
Oh...and now I can't get that line from that movie out of my head...
The one about Napalm in the morning...the guy wheres the cowboy hat & a cravat I think. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 | 12:59 PM
Robert Duvall, in Apocalypse Now..." I love the smell of napalm in the morning...it smells like victory" |
BugbearSloth
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 | 01:04 PM
Maegan: that would be Apocalypse Now. Lt. Col. Bill Kilgore (Robert Duvall) says, "You smell that? Do you smell that?... Napalm, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory. Someday this war's gonna end..." |
Maegan
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 | 01:58 PM
Thanks, that's it. When I was about 17 I dated a guy who used to recite that. He even dressed up like Robert Duvall's character for Halloween. I could tell that he wanted to dress up that way every day, though. Every now and again if we were just hangin' out...He would look at me & go, Maegan, do you smell that? And he would launch into the monologue. When the Redux came out...I felt like I was being replaced. I dumped him. I don't think he even noticed. |
Cynthia L. Butler
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 | 11:20 PM
PRESS RELEASE FROM THE OHIO CONTEST LITIGATION-please forward to all your listservs (permission to post).
The Ohio Contest litigation filed by Cliff Arnebeck and Bob Fritakis is proceeding to full discovery. Attorneys are converging to Ohio. There is a serious and urgent call for Funds to support the Litigation Fund.
Checks may be made directly to "OHIO ELECTION LITIGATION FUND" and mailed to Cliff Arnebeck at his law office for escrowing at
Address: Arnebeck Law Office
1351 King Ave. 1st floor
Columbus OH 43212
Email: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Phone: 614-481-8416
. Alternatively, people wishing to donate tax deductible contributions may go to www.FREEPRESS.org and click on their donation site.
This litigation in Ohio State Court is not being done in conjunction with the NVRI. This litigation is evidencing the Fraud in Ohio.
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Paul
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 | 02:34 AM
GO AWAY |
Maegan
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 | 12:19 PM
It's the ghost of postings-past. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 | 06:00 PM
as long-winded and bizzare as some of Cynthia's posts have been, shouldn't we recognize that Cynthia is, by definition trying to expose a hoax (or fraud)? I encourage all American citizens to support the efforts of those who want some oversight, paper trail, or good-old-fashioned recount in the last election. Admittedly, Cynthia's style is "In-your-face", but certainly, so is the Fraud, if that be the case. No, I'm not encouraging Cynthia's rambling style of posts, but I must support those who want to protect the integrity of the electoral process, whatever their political affiliations may be. Cynthia, do your self-appointed job, just chill on the rambling posts. They don't offer much in the way of persuasive arguement- they tend to alienate rather than make allies. |
myst
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 | 06:46 PM
I agree with you Hairy Houdini! |
BugbearSloth
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 | 07:21 PM
I used to kind of like Hairy and all of his weirdness. Then he had to go side with "Cynthia". <<depression sets in>> |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 | 08:28 PM
"Used to KIND OF like"? Now I'M depressed. Admit it, Bugster, you love me |
Cynthia Butler
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 | 08:38 PM
Thanks for the constructive criticism all. Paul, bless you (Merry Christmas)-
Who here thinks that our President should actually have won fair and square the Electoral College total votes before being declared actually the President? Raise your hand if you think Democracy should work here. Raise you hand if you think that theoretically the people who were hacking and rigging opti-scanners made by the same people who are declared re-election fundraisers should not get to pick your president for you. If you raised your hand I high-five you hand.
God Bless you all and God Bless America.
Happy Holidays one and all.
Talk with your dollars-contribute to--www.freepress.org
Bob Fitrakis is an award winning investigative reporter, journalist, and recently testified before John Conyers' House Judiciary Committee on Election Fraud. He is one of the lawyer signatories to the suit in the Ohio Supreme Court challenging the Ohio Fraud. |
Casey W.
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 | 10:15 PM
Don't go making a hundred ranting posts after this comment Cynthia, but didn't Kerry concede of his own accord? How many things (sporting events, etc.) can you un-give up after you already let it go? |
Cynthia Butler
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 07:59 AM
I try to keep the rants to a minimum (while the subject begs it) but Kerry is deeply involved in this effort to look at every issue uncovered in Ohio where there was and continues to be highly suspect activity. We learned recently that the Triband company making machines during the recount sent employees to the precincts that are supposed to be randomly selected, to remove and replace parts from the machines just before the recount. So the Secretary of State is apparently notifying people in advance which "random" precincts will be selected for a selective recount sampling and they are fixing the machines. This is frightening Casey. And it is very serious. It is not just about a few old tired black folk whining about having to stand in line too long (while that too is an issue when you realize that they had the machines in the minority precincts, intentionally kept them locked up elsewhere and told people waiting in line too long that -a- they could come back tomorrow because of the long lines and -b- their car would be towed soon)
Kerry, I am convinced will step up to the plate and claim what is rightfully his if the lawyers successfully demonstrate to the country that he did in fact win, which is what the lawyers close to the matter seriously believe.
Karl Rove, by the way has been named as a Defendant in the Ohio Supreme Court lawsuit that challenges the Ohio count. |
Cynthia Butler
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 09:20 AM
If you learned in a sporting event, that the Umpire was crooked, and paid by the head coach of one team to tilt the results, Casey, do you think it fair that the other side should get to call "Foul!"
I used to play old pin ball machines -remember those one- if you jammed the machine to the side by banging it or tried to tilt the machine on one leg to move the ball in one direction the machine yelled with flashing red lights "Tilt! Tilt!" and you automatically lost the game.
Maybe a day late and a dollar short, but "TILT! TILT!" Game over. |
Maegan
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 10:12 AM
There are a lot of things wrong with the voting system. The electoral college was originally in place b/c people were spread out. Campaigning took place on the back of a train. When the cadidate was finished, they went to the next train stop. There was no way to let all of the voters know about each candidate & what they stood for. The electoral college would be able to look at their voters & decide "what was best for them". It's an outdated process. With the technology available to even the poorest voter (free internet access/periodicals/newspapers available in the local library) there should be no reason for someone not to be educated. Even if they vote without looking at all of the details, that's really up to them. Even in 100 years there will still be people that will vote for someone b/c they like the way their name sounds, or because they're the same faith or religion & not because they share the same political views. It will never be perfect. That's all there is to it. |
Cynthia Butler
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 11:32 AM
There is a profound difference in law and common sense between inattention or ineptitude and criminal conduct when it comes to election law. There are laws that govern certain conduct on the part of people administering elections that are supposed to ensure fair elections and prevent the sort of rigged elections that would turn the country into a Latin American dictatorship where elections are just chimeric ruses to maintain power on the part of people who privatize everything, including the mechanics of vote counting. There is a profound difference. We need to understand it.
The blurring of the distinction will erode our Liberty fundamentally which is predicated on our ability to select our self-governance in a democracy. What we are witnessing is like a computer worm into Democracy that will eventually undermine it until it crashes the server of our libery. |
Maegan
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 12:28 PM
Well, we could go to a "check yes for candidate" but we did that once & it didn't seem to work. No one trusts anyone else to handle the voting issues. The machines are rigged, there are people telling voters to go home & come back, the machines are broken, the chads are hanging, you counted wrong, waiting in line is boring, a felon voted, a felon who could have voted didn't, 87.2% of this minority group didn't vote, it's too complicated...
The excuses are endless. Frankly, I'm glad Bush won. I didn't vote, b/c when I turned 18 I got a night job & slept thru the deadline. When the next election came around I was busy trying to be a good mother. There were a hundred reasons I didn't vote...none of them can actually be counted as legitimate, because there really is no excuse. Regardless of how Bush won, it's over. Kerry voluntarily conceded. Maybe he looked at what was going on & decided he didn't want any part of it. Kerry might have a good chance next election if things aren't so contreversial. You keep posting all these things about how John Kerry is fighting this, he's trying to get things turned around. Well, except for your posts, I haven't seen this on the news. I haven't seen it in the papers. Are you really SURE Kerry wants to take over now?
Going back to the sports analogy...Did you ever ask someone to play a game? They said they didn't want to play. You went & found someone else to play. Then the other kid comes back. NOW he wants to play, but it's mid-game. No one wants your 'first' choice in the game now...they're already attached to your 'second choice' player.
It's just not gonna work out. |
Cynthia Butler
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 01:20 PM
I have to disagree with you. The information on this is all over the Web if you looked. Go to the NVRI, truthout.org, Freepress.org, Daily Kos and many other sites. Go also to the Minority page of the House Judiciary site. John Conyers has said he is going to Block Bush on Jan.6.
This is not just blogsters looking for their 15 minutes. The HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE is investigating and has held hearings.
The Electoral College has not met. The Game has not been finally called under the Constitution.
There is major Federal and State litigation filed everywhere that has placed this election in the "not over until the Fat Lady sings" category.
I hope you do the research. Once you do, it will be beyond reasonable contention that Kerry actually won. If he won, he should get to live in the House and take the job.
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Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 06:11 PM
Cynthia, allow me to commend you on your efforts to limit the size and length of your posts. You will gain a better rate of exchange with others on this site if you continue to do so. I applaud your efforts at maintaining the integrity of the electoral process, and I wish you success in your efforts. Yours in brevity, HH |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 06:14 PM
for those wondering, "Effort" is the PeeWee Playhouse Secret Word of The Day. That's why I said it three times. Scream Real Loud. |
Paul
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 06:27 PM
I thought it was Groucho's magic word....but who Am I |
Paul
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 06:31 PM
Maybe we can have two words for tomorrow:
GO AWAY |
Cynthia Butler
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 06:36 PM
PAUL, PAUL, PAUL-- where that Christian charity. Aren't you named for a SAINT (one of my favorite)- nothing is requiring you to read or click this ikon. If I go away, the issue won't. Once again, it aint about me folks. It's about the Integrity of Democracy.
The Truth will set us all Free.
There is no liberty without self-governance. Isn't that why we are in Iraq (or was it something to do with Connoco-Philips and Texaco- got me)
Paul- you need a hug. Find someone. |
myst
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 06:46 PM
*Hands everyone a cookie* Peace people. 😊 |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 | 07:00 PM
Ah, Paul- there is a vast difference between the Playhouse Secret Word and Groucho's You Bet Your Life Magic Word. With the former, the result is the viewers Scream Real Loud. With the latter, a Groucho Duck drops from the rafters and the contestant wins George Fenneman |
Stephen
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 | 10:30 AM
No one would have beaten Bush....The family has a little too much power and ofcourse the election was rigged.....I believe the votes do not count...Do you actually think the government would leave it in the hands of the american public to make such a major decision. It is all smoke and mirrors. |
kadın
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 | 04:03 PM
The name is Cynthia by the way, not "Cindy" to strangers. |
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