MOH Forum: Kerry un-concede?

Kerry un-concede?

Posted By:
Mary Penttinen-King
Nov 11, 2004

Is thisa hoax? A friend tellls me there is no Nancy Butler, Lawyer, at the address given. BREAKING---KERRY TO UNCONCEDE IF THERE IS EVIDENCE OF FRAUD

FORWARD TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW

EMAIL FROM DC LAWYER CYNTHIA BUTLER

I am angry and getting emails and recrimination from people wondering why KERRY just caved and is not fighting this before the final count in Ohio, before any of the fraud was challenged, before New Mexico and Iowa even came in.

There is widespread feeling that he did not lose the election and that it was taken from him.

There is enough here to warrant investigation and enough to challenge the results. It's coming from all corners.

I understand that he has until the official count certification in Ohio to Un Concede which is several days from now.

Anyone who thinks that he should unconcede should give reasons why - whatever they noticed, particularly in Red Republican Governed States using electronic machines- and send them directly to Cameron KERRY, John Kerry's brother at his law firm at the address .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

They should inform us if they were not allowed to vote provisionally (for whatever reason- they lost forms, ran out of forms, etc.) I personally witnessed a number of things as I reported in Texas with the DCCC. (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee)

If you know anyone in particular in Ohio who tried to vote and was turned away at the polls please get their information and notify the campaign.

They should be notified if they experienced lines longer than four hours -particularly elderly or infirm people (we call that torture when they do it to political prisoners) . They should be notified if people were told as has been reported that due to too many people showing up in African American precincts, particularly in Ohio where there were too few booths (some only had two or three for the entire precinct) and told because of heavy turn out they could vote on Wednesday. If the numbers of these sorts of incidents creates a percentage margin that exceeds the margin of victory- Un Concession has to be made to challenge the count.

If people wanted to and tried to vote and were prevented or actively discouraged from doing so, that is a Civil Rights matter and must be dealt with in terms of the ultimate count.

This is the last email that I am writing on this subject in this venue. I am taking it up in other venues.

Please pass along this to your listservs so that we may make Democracy Work in America. We are not a country where he who cheats best wins.

Cynthia L. Butler
BUTLER LAW FIRM, P.C.
1717 K St. NW, Suite 600
Washington, DC 20036

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Maegan	Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 \| 08:50 AM I entered the name & address into google, which returned this blurb: ... Cynthia L. Butler BUTLER LAW FIRM, PC 1717 K St. NW, Suite 600 Washington, DC 20036. We have the POWER to take our country BACK! Comments (0). Mosh now or die. ... The link was this: http://conflictgirl.com/index.php?cat=1
Karl Rove	Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 \| 12:37 PM I looked up the address as well and got: http://www.pthands-on.com/directions.html Center for Neuromuscular and Massage Rehabilitation 1717 K Street NW Suite 600 Washington DC, 20036-5342 I also looked for Cynthia Butler in Findlaw for both VA and DC...couldn't find her. http://legalrecords.findlaw.com I also seached and couldn't find anything about anything about dissent, fraud, or controversy regarding this last election. - Karl Rove
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 \| 03:44 PM No Hoax Folks. See- http://www.livejournal.com/community/johnkerry04/624056.html
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 \| 04:01 PM Here are a few sites for Karl Rove to check out if he is as clueless as he above maintains; RedefeatBush.Com Democrats.Com WeDoNotConcede.Com Votergate.Com WhatReallyHappened.Com MSNBC (Olbermann's blog column) VerifiedVoting.org Voterights.org BlackBoxVoting.org Ballotintegrity.org Votergate.TV VotersUnite.org Legitgov.org HelpAmericaCount.org TruthOut.org VoteCobb.org About about a hundred other lesser knowns. Gig's Up.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 \| 04:19 PM This is not a HOAX. I am amused I don't exist according to Karl Rove and the Museum of Hoaxs but I assure you that is news to my mother. The reasons different addresses come up with different businesses is because the mailing address to my office is in a master suite that is a shared Fegen suite arrangement where there are many other different attorneys and business concerns. You don't think I would be stupid enough to list where I and all my files are actually sitting for Karl Rove to find them (and me) do you? If you go to the Georgetown University Law Center and ask for their Alumni records, they will tell you I graduated from there in 1987, which means I have been practicing law for about 18 years. Yes, I am a real lawyer. Please don't tell my clients that I am Hoax or I will have to return their Retainer fees. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. John Kerry is my hero. Win or Lose, My Hero. And I will hold out every hope possible until there is no possibility whatsoever that we can right the wrongs done in this last election. Stand with us- we are not giving up. Neither should you. Cynthia L. Butler
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 06:17 AM Karl Rove is a Hoax. I looked under Bush's jacket during the debates- nope, not there. I looked right next to the Weapons of Mass destruction- nope, not there. Oh, there are no weapons of Mass destruction, silly me. I looked in the graves of two thousand British and American soldiers, nope not there, just two thousand dead British and American soldiers in flag draped boxes. I looked in the Mass graves of over a hundred thousand innocent Iraqi people burned alive in firebombs, explosions, missile attacks and crushed in falling concrete as their cities were destroyed. Nope, didn't find Karl Rove there either. I asked God if he was in Heaven. Nope, not there either. I have concluded, He is a Hoax.
BugbearSlothq	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 10:24 AM I searched but could not find any law firm at 1717 K St. NW in Washington DC. I doubt Rove's search on FindLaw.com is exhaustive because it is a site that law firms and attorneys register with to be listed. So, "Cynthia L. Butler" might not be registered. A search of all attorneys in the DC area only returned about 75 names, so this would only represent a small fraction of the thousands of attorneys in DC. On the other hand, however, I would need better verification that "Cynthia L. Butler" is actually an attorney. Sorry, LiveJournal posts don't qualify in my book. A Google search for "Cynthia L. Butler" turns up quite a number of posts by someone claiming to be Cynthia who is plastering basically this same message on a lot of forums. Museum of Hoaxes comes in at number one! None of the articles are from an "official" source, such as the DNC or the Kerry campaign. In light of this, I'm going to write this up as a hoax being promoted by a rabble rouser pretending to be an attorney. BTW, if this is true, what would it do to the status of "John Titor" as being a hoax? Heh.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 11:45 AM WRONG AGAIN. Maybe a "rabble rouser" but Check Georgetown Law Class of 1987. You may also call the Bar Associations of Pennsylvania, California (inactive) and DC (need to pay dues but have been a member since 1995). If you also did a more comprehensive search you will find a case involving a large class action I worked on against Sara Lee Corporation all over the web- yes that's me,when I was the founding member of Butler & Spears. I am a real live attorney. You can call me and I will tell you anything you want me to know that is not client confidential.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 11:48 AM Which of these is a HOAX: Some things to do before the Inaugural: 1. Buy condoms and birth control as necessary before the ban. 2. Drink a nice clean glass of water. 3. Cash your Social Security check. 4. See a doctor of your own choosing. 5. Spend quality time with your draft age child/grandchild. 6. Visit Syria, or any foreign country for that matter. 7. Get that gas mask you've been putting off buying. 8. Hoard gasoline. 10. Borrow books from library before they're banned - Constitutional law books, Catcher in the Rye, Harry Potter, Tropic of Cancer, English Grammar texts (too Presidentially embarrassing), Women's Gestational Oncology resources, Stem Cell medical texts, and any historic treatises establishing the protocols for any and all Geneva Conventions, etc. 11. If you have an idea for an art piece involving a crucifix - do it now. 12. Come out - then go back in - HURRY! 13. Jam in all the Alzheimer's stem cell research you can. 14. Stay out late before the curfews start. 16. Go see Bruce Springsteen before he has his "accident". 17. Go see Mount Rushmore before the Reagan and Bush I addition. 18. Use the phrase - "you can do that - this is America". 19. If you're white - marry a black person, if you're black - marry a white person. If you are gay, leave before the border controls. 21. Take a walk in Yosemite, without being hit by a snowmobile or a base-jumper. 22. Enroll your kid in an accelerated art or music class. 23. Start your school day with a silent reflection. 24. Pass on the secrets of evolution to future generations. 26. Learn French. 28. Attend a commitment ceremony with your gay friends. 29. Take a factory tour anywhere in the US. 30. Try to take photographs of animals on the endangered species list. 31. Visit Florida before the polar ice caps melt. 32. Visit Nevada before it becomes radioactive. 33. Visit Alaska before "The Big Spill". 34. Visit Massachusetts while it is still a State. 36. Visit Washington, DC before the Capitol is moved to Houston, Sister City of Bagdad. The move is expected to be complete after the Mall is converted to a NASDAQ race track the week after the book burning BBQ at which effigies of great American traitors will be burned including (a) Howard Stern (b) Martha Stewart and (c) that Metrosexual Ron Regan, Jr. Donations for Marshmallows may be made to the Committee to Re-elect Karl Rove.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 11:56 AM Finally, let me state- it was not I who originally put ANYTHING on the web. I only started responding to what everyone else started putting up on the Web. I sent an innocent email to a few friends and a few strangers started emailing back seeing my name places I had never even heard of. There is my instant 15 minutes of fame. Call me the Accidental activist. My concern, as an 18 year litigator was to develop a body of FACTS that could be litigated in states that matter such as OHIO (which in fact is being done now by the Kerry attorneys) so I placed that plea to a few friends on an email. What ensured was surreal. The email call went all over the web, mutated a bit by the add on of sentences that got more over the top with each publication (for example I never wrote- "We have the power to take our country back" while I believe it sincerely. So there you have it. I am a usually quiet, studious, nerdy even almost, little unknown attorney who now is being called a Hoax in the World Wide International Web. I really rather is stopped because I might not get any birthday presents this year if it keeps up. If you don't believe me CALL ME - my office no. is 202 466-0998. Yes, that is in Washington, DC. My uncle lives here too, my aunt and Godkid lives here, I have lived here for over a decade, my Alma Mater Georgetown Law is here, which makes sense for me to be here as an attorney, while I also practiced in LA and Philadelphia with large firms there. I prefer being more anonymous, but since this nonsense is all over the web, I feel compelled to correct the record. Cynthia L. Butler, Esq.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 12:02 PM I am not a Kerry official attorney, of which there are THOUSANDS. I have no inside information concerning John Kerry's mindset. The title to that webpage was not authored by me, it was authored by the person who originally posted it to the Live Journal without my foreknowledge. I am however, a bona fide real attorney. I was a Kerry volunteer and my activities involed canvassing, and PR related activities (I even did phone banking.) I was a Delegate Candidate to the convention in DC (didn't get elected) - I also was sent to Texas with the DCCC (Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.) I was trained by the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights on Election Protection matters at my law school Georgetown. I have litigated Fraud matters in a variety of contexts over the past 18 years of my national litigation practice.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 12:17 PM Finally, last but not least of the verifications of my true identity; anyone who knows me or has worked with me knows that when I get hot and bothered the first thing that goes out the window is my proofreading talents. Since there is no spellcheck on this posting possible, please forgive the typos above. Lawyers are rather anal about typos and the above responses betray my usual professional attention to proofreading. Once again, anyone questioning the veracity of anything I have posted is welcome to call the office or email me directly at ***** Thanks for your kind consideration of the above. i haven't worked this hard, this long, to be called a Hoax. My 67 year old mother is taking a computer class so she can learn how to search the web and I don't want her reading I am a Hoax. It may give her angina. Cynthia L. Butler, Esq.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 12:30 PM Since Karl Rove appears to be reading- I am giving him a Sermon. It is in Two Parts because the posting only allows 5,000 words per post. PART I; A THANKSGIVING REFLECTION: AM I MY BROTHER'S KEEPER? By: Cynthia L. Butler I confess. I watch TV church sometimes in the morning on Sunday before going to real church. Some of it is inspirational some of it infuriates me. Usually I ignore the ones that infuriate me, like the Bob Jones variety gospel coming from Falwell clones or GOVT Republican Rallies from Joyce Meyers. The last one that infuriated me came from a corner I usually am fairly comfortable with but not this corner; Dr. James Kennedy from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. You know the one- he rails against everything from the ten commandment posting litigation to Ellen Degeneris. He is a Presbyterian and while usually I applaud Presbyterian ministers for their biblical accuracy, this one has completely missed the mark. Here is what he was talking about- "Scumbags". He was railing against his understanding of the Democratic party promotion of "entitlement programs" as institutionalized robin-hood thievery where we take money from your wallet (he pointed to the well heeled tanned congregation) to give to the Scumbags who thought the world owes them a living. He said in his day we called those folks "Scumbags". Now we call them "entitled." It's a fairly common Republican view. The poor deserve it. Let's give them exactly what they deserve. Well here's a newsflash Dr. Kennedy; Jesus did not call the poor "Scumbags", he called them "Brethren." Jesus didn't curse the poor, he elevated them. How we treat them is something he looks at very carefully. We are told in James not to make class distinctions because what is poor in material terms God has made rich in faith. We are told in Corinthians that God doesn't look on wealth as net value but on generosity as a higher value noting -"Remember how generous the Lord Jesus was; he was rich, but he became poor for your sake, to make you rich out of his poverty." Generosity is a "test of the genuineness of your love" we are told. We are told that where your treasure lies your heart lies. We are told that in losing our life as we know it we will find it, and that the rich young ruler who had everything, also lacked everything which would only be cured if he gave all that he had to the poor and followed Jesus. We are told more than that- we are told that the Good Samaritan was not the priest who passed by keeping his wallet in tact, but the Samaritan half-breed who went out of his way to transport the sick and abused man left for dead by the side of the road to shelter and paid out of his own pocket for the shelter. We are told in Matthew that Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats tossing one into eternal damnation and the others into paradise on the simple formula of what they did for the least of these his brethren in providing for them materially and in friendship (visiting the sick and those in prison.) [cont...]
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 12:30 PM PART II A THANKSGIVING REFLECTION: AM I MY BROTHER'S KEEPER? By: Cynthia L. Butler Jesus, we are told is the Good Shepherd who takes care of all of his sheep and he commands Peter to feed his sheep. Saint Peter and all his apostolic progeny do feed the sheep, literally in the Eucharist which is true food indeed, and food spiritually concurrently. And let's not forget the simple fact that Jesus himself was poor. He was an itinerant preacher, not one with fancy purple robes parading onto podiums flanked by minions of red robed haughty choirs. He was a simple carpenter. We would call him a blue collar worker or craftsman, maybe artisan if we wanted to spin it chic. But make no mistake. On earth, Jesus was poor. We are told he relied on the contributions of some wealthy patrons, mostly women to support his itinerant missionary activity. And so certainly was the great missionary Paul. He writes home "I have been hungry and thirsty and often starving; I have been in the cold without clothes." (2 Corinthians 11;27) Entitlement programs? We live in the wealthiest country on the face of the earth. We are blessed beyond measure. Do we owe the "Scumbags" who have difficulty meeting their basic physical needs anything? Only if we love. "Always treat others as you would like them to treat you--that is the meaning of the Law and the Prophets" (Matthew 7:12). because the commandment that follows directly from the First one to Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength is the command to Love our Neighbor as ourselves. How big is your God? Do you think we can possibly out-give God as a country? Do you think that you will become less if you give more to the people who God calls us all to take care of? Paul tells us (2 Corinthians 11;6) "Do not forget, thin sowing means thin reaping; the more you sow, the more you reap." Do we want to be a mean stingy country where we walk on the other side of the street when we see our countrymen beaten and abused and left for dead by the side of the road? We do so at our national peril. Because Jesus said "Everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on a rock. Rain came down, floods rose, gales blew and hurled themselves against that house, and it did not fall; it was founded on rock. But everyone who listens to these words of mine and does not act on them will be like a stupid man who built his house on sand. Rain came down, floods rose, gales blew and struck that house, and it fell; and what a fall it had." Ask anyone in the path of Hurricaine Charlie if God can't do what he promises. Thanksgiving is a time we gather family, friends and neighbors around a table affirming our Faith in our country as a place of goodness, plenty, bounty and beauty. We are all Americans on Thanksgiving. Am I my brother's keeper? Only if I know that everything I have and am comes from the God who tells me that all the Law and the Prophets point to this; Love your Neighbor as yourself.
Charybdis	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 02:25 PM Maybe if we all just agree with her she will stop posting. 😉
Terry Austin	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 04:01 PM "It is in Two Parts because the posting only allows 5,000 words per post." That's a clue, Cindy.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 04:06 PM That would be wise. I agree to stop posting if you agree to stop calling me a HOAX. I struggle enough with positive self-esteem as do many lawyers who are called all kinds of unkind things. 😊 If anyone is really interested in the topic- Here is the latest email I received: Vote Riggers Are Talking - FBI agents Thu Nov 25, 2004 16:22 http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=71112;title=APFN ALSO, please don't send anything to Cam Kerry at that email above. His law firm server almost crashed and he probably has a few Republican partners who aren't happy about it- they have other clients. Send any factual information to the .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) You are all about three weeks behind in the news. There have been recounts called in NH and OHIO and rallies have been in DC and Ohio with live witness testimony concerning vote fraud and suppression in Ohio. I know you hate the guy but Michael Moore's site is full of info also- www.michaelmoore.com
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 04:12 PM The name is Cynthia by the way, not "Cindy" to strangers. The only people who get to call me Cindy are my immediate family, old boyfriends and any teachers I had before the Fifth grade. The name on my law office door is Cynthia L. Butler.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 06:33 PM Ongoing lawsuits Submitted by Bob Fertik on November 11, 2004 - 1:33pm. From Dan Hoffheimer: Monday, Nov. 8 The Kerry-Edwards campaign and the Democratic Party in Ohio are involved in several pending lawsuits that are likely to go on, at least until we are certain that the provisional ballots are properly counted. John Kerry wants to see that all Ohioans' proper ballots are counted, even if it does not change the outcome of the election. I am personally committed to meeting his expection and spent all of today on this issue and will likely be working on this close to fulltime for the foreseeable future. This includes the class actions that we already have pending. There is nothing to prevent other interested parties from filing their own lawsuits. I have told this to the press, so you may share this email with your friends as you may wish. Daniel J. Hoffheimer State Legal Counsel OHIO Kerry-Edwards 2004, Inc.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 07:35 PM Kids, kids, kids, and countrymen; They should rename the title of this Museum of Hoaxes page to DEMOCRACY- the Great American Hoax unless and until they correct the obvious over the top abuses, deceptions, chicanery and outright FRAUD that we witnessed in this 2004 Presidential election. Zoghby stated recently that fully One Fifth of the American Electorate has Zero confidence that the Election results are accurate and reflect a true Bush win. I am of the view that this One Fifth of the Electorate has a point. The other HOAX worth investigating is the HOAX that Karl Rove has an education. Find me the college that gave the man a degree. He is not even a college graduate. These are the best of the gestalt think -tankery scams they can contrive. Thanks for the opportunity to speak to you all through the Museum of American Hoaxes. Ask yourself if we need to lose the lives and limbs of tens of thousands of our citizens and kill off hundreds of thousands of persons of foreign origin in the service of the Petroleum industry and your ability to drive a gas guzzling SUV, to bring Democracy to countries half way around the world when we do not enforce it here. I think we can do better. I think we can rise above the darkness that has gripped up. Please help. Cynthia L. Butler, Esq.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 10:37 PM Special Report --THIS JUST IN. More on the buying of electoral fraud by the Bush campaign By Wayne Madsen Online Journal Contributing Writer Download a .pdf file for printing. Adobe Acrobat Reader required. Click here to download a free copy. November 26, 2004
BugbearSloth	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 11:57 PM Ok, "Cynthia". I believe you. You are not a hoax. Alex, with the voluminous quantities of "evidence" that "Cynthia" has provided, I hereby find that John Titor is not a hoax.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 \| 08:15 AM For all those now trying to send me computer viruses and/or worms, don't bother. I am hardly the key to the mystery. It will go on whether or not my computer crashes---- all of them. Cynthia L. Butler
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 \| 09:13 AM It doesn't bother anyone else that we had to take out an entire country, kill off over a hundred thousands of its citizens, kill off "coalition of the dwindling" forces of UK, US and three or four others to the tune of THOUSANDS, maim, dismember, cause to be amputated thousands more to NOT CATCH the guy who inflicted 9-11? We have already killed four hundred times (400x) the numbers of people killed in 9-11. Over the Top people. OTT. And when was the last time you knew about a beheading? John the Baptist maybe? BEHEADING of Americans? Don't seem to recollect that happening under Clinton. Why is everyone forgetting that 9-11 HAPPENED ON BUSH's Watch. So long as Bush is in power, Bin Laden will live and escape because Bin Laden is the justification for the real alternative agenda. That's why Bush waffles in stating he isn't sure that we can win the "war on terror." So long as they can on cue pull out a tape of Bin Laden's talking head we can trick the entire nation into believing we can engage in whatever exploits we want in the name of National Security regardless of how may tens of thousands of people we kill and how many cities we level into concrete dust. We can even call it all in the name of Democracy. OTT people. OTT.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 \| 09:23 AM For the even simpler minded- here is what it is- imagine if Costa Rica attacked us and the entire Latin American world cheered. Instead of attacking Costa Rica, we determine its more in our National Security interest to annex Mexico so in the interest of vindicating the tragedy done by Costa Rica we blow out the Dictator of Mexico because he was too close for comfort and there were a few Mexican sympathizers found vacationing and convalescing in Costa Rica. We kill off hundreds of thousands of Mexicans, tear down their cities, demolish their infastructures, level all insurgencies creating widows, orphans and amputees, while we let the Costa Ricans fight amongst themselves. Is this a sensible Foreign Policy? How about if Mexico is a really really bad place. Are we still justified? How about if Mexico has the largest deposit of natural resources that we need for the engines of our economy. Then we get to - right? Even if it benefits mostly one segment of the obsolete industrial economy who just happen to also be the heaviest weight contributors to the Administration waging war in Mexico. Don't get me started about the company reconstructing what we destroyed and feeding the troops to destroy it. This is a scandal people. OTT. The American people are not as dumb as the so called election results portend to convey. The Bush Win is a flimsy at the existence of WMDs. We should be marching in the streets. You can. Go to RedefeatBush.com You can even get on a Bush and go to Ohio.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 \| 09:53 AM Lastly (I promise) for those Foreign Policy challenged who believe any soldier with a gun is doing the right thing no matter what direction it is pointed in and in whatever country anyone wants to send him or her into- Imagine under the above scenario that while we are creating mass instability and slaughter and demolition in Mexico for the grander vision of its annexation, we neglect to notice that Guatemala is in fact developing serious nuclear technology that would take out everything South of Pittsburgh in a nanosecond. That's what Iran is quietly doing while we are losing steam and heads in Iraq. There is a reason Powell resigned. There is a reason half the CIA has resigned. There is a reason Tenet resigned. There is a reason five Cabinet members have resigned. There is a reason Bush and Cheney need to resign.
The Curator in San Diego Member	Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 \| 10:37 AM Cynthia, you're getting way off topic. I have no problem with the occasional political comment, but ultimately this is a forum for discussing hoaxes. Not for posting long-winded political essays. The fact that you're a democrat (as am I) bought you some time... but if you post any more of these political monologues, I'm going to have to delete them.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 \| 10:56 AM Threats of deletion don't phase me for a nanosecond. Delete away all you like. You may delete, block, or forward with scathing counter-attack at your pleasure. First A. for all Americans. Read this one if you persist in believing there is anything Hoaxy about the Meme of the Moment that John Kerry will be inaugurated not Bush (as Parliament just invalidated the Ukranian election results.) http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112604Madsen/112604madsen.html And I am free to lecture to Karl Rove in any long or short winded manner that I choose, and will continue to do so any and everywhere I can until he and everyone else gets the sort of outrage boiling in their blood that will make this happen or until I have my "accident." If that happens please tell my mother that my jewelry is sewn in the mattress. Cynthia L. Butler
The Curator in San Diego Member	Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 \| 11:15 AM Cynthia, this is my site, not yours. I don't have the right to come into your house and force you to listen to me. And you have no right to force me to host your monologues on my website. There are many, many political sites where you can drone on to your heart's content. Try some of the Yahoo message boards, for instance.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 \| 11:30 AM Alex; you completely missed my point- I said feel free to delete me. It doesn't phase me. Do what you like. I am required to set the record straight when there is rampant misinformation about me or what I have represented and people profit off it. I have done that. Believe me- plenty of people agree with me. Take Care Cynthia L. Butler
Myst	Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 \| 06:30 PM Cynthia, Might I suggest something to truly help you in your battle to fight misinformation? Start your own blog and get it listed in numorous directories and on search engines. You will then have a wonderful place where you can voice your concerns and interact with those who read it.
Hairy Houdini	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 12:33 AM Am I the only one who has picked up on the possibility that "Cynthia Butler" and her Flashing Blog of Outrage may be A Hoax in and of itself? I'm a BS artist myself, and it takes one to know one... Perhaps "Cynthia" is really a neocon mercblogger who has the mission of discrediting those who question the election... Perhaps "Cynthia" is Karl Rove himself, paying Alex back for allowing all these dump-Bush comments, lo these many months...perhaps "Cynthia" is crazy like a Fox News
Myst	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 12:44 AM Hairy Houdini, I am married to one of the world's best BS artists, that should give you a hint. 😉
The Curator in San Diego Member	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 12:53 AM Apparently Cynthia L. Butler has been flooding quite a few blogs with comments. Basically anyone who makes the mistake of mentioning the Kerry unconcede letter gets multiple posts from Cynthia. She could very well be a republican operative in disguise (but don't say that too loud, or it may attract her back).
Maegan	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 10:22 AM Jeez! One can only take so much! Well, I guess now we all know what Cynthia L. Butler's hobby is!
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 11:43 AM http://www.livejournal.com/community/johnkerry04/624056.html
The Curator in San Diego Member	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 11:53 AM Now I'm getting emails from Ms. Butler. She's threatening to sue and 'shut down my site' unless I delete the entire thread here. *sigh* I've been down this road before. It seems to be an American pasttime to threaten to sue. Of course, I shouldn't be mentioning her threat to sue since her email contains a note at the bottom saying that her communication to me is privileged, confidential, and of an attorney client nature.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 11:59 AM Alex; It's only a past-time for real lawyers who can really actually do it- sue that is. I am a private citizen, hence the usual immunity for defamatory nonsense and character assassination that goes with political figures does not apply. That is a word to the wise for all when posting things blasting regular ordinary private citizens. Consequently, you keep misrepresenting my identity and republishing defamatory (false and not privileged) comments. ENOUGH PEOPLE. You really need another hobby. Alex- you need better research skills clearly. It's fantastic I have generated all this publicity for your little on line museum, but really- truth should exist somewhere in the blogosphere while it clearly is not welcome here. Cynthia L. Butler
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 12:07 PM Here is a bit of cautioning- not intended to be legal advise but thoroughly researchable if one cares to; Reputational injury and harm is compensable. Does anyone know what that sentence means? That means, before you trash someone professionally with what is called "slander per se" you should think twice, on this or any other site- because you can be sued, for money- regardless of any proven actual damage. Do I need to be clearer? No, I am not a Repug hoax. I am not Karl Rove, I am not attempting to Jam Cam Kerry's email. What I am doing is supporting all attempts to right the abuses and illegalities that inflicted our last Presidential election as are the thousands of Kerry's official attorneys and tens of thousands of others around the country.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 12:17 PM Maybe you all should be wondering why Alex is so intent on publishing comments that defame anyone questioning the election results. Maybe Alex's motives should be thoroughly questioned. Maybe the fact that he insists on relegating the Election Fraud email to his Museum of Hoaxes is proof enough that this is how he wants the Fraud question viewed. Should we all just boycott ALEX's little Museum?
The Curator in San Diego Member	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 12:44 PM Cynthia, it is my sincere wish that you would boycott my little museum.
Maegan	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 01:22 PM Hmm...Boycott! That reminds me of another Name Game. This Irish guy was trying to collect rent & when no one would (could) pay him, they decided to use his name to refer to what they were doing. They "Boycott-ed" paying their rent. I thought that attorney-client privelage was ONLY privelage between an attorney and THEIR client. As I know it, anyone not being rep'd by the atty can discuss their case at will. Actually, Alex, your post could be considered something like you trying to find legal aid. Oh geez, I'm not going to be sued now am I? Jeez, Louise! Reputational Injury? Well, if you go by this site...your reputation is...to be long-winded & dreadfully DULL! I'm sorry I can't allow the motion. ::bangs gavel:: Also...The majority of the posts here are YOURS missy! The posts are voluntary. So you voluntarily injured your own reputation?! You practically begged Alex B. to delete your posts before...which is proof that you feel your comments should not be mentioned, which is construed here as an apology. Apology accepted Cynthia L. Butler! I'm so glad you've conceded. ;o)
Hairy Houdini	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 02:58 PM Less for the benefit of "Cynthia", and more to clear the record, I find Alex very fair, very informed, and very tolerant of strident edge-pushers. "Cynthia" is clearly having fun at this site's expense. Unfortunately, any points she is trying to make are lost in the sheer volume of her posts. "Cynthia": if you have a point related to the thread, please be polite enough to be concise and brief. It appears that the general operating procedure here is to make reference to the thread topic, offer a short opinion, and direct us toward an URL, for those interested in more info. Again, I think "Cynthia" is pulling our collective leg.
The Curator in San Diego Member	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 04:14 PM Cynthia is trolling (posting inflammatory comments trying to get a response). I tried to IP ban her, but apparently that didn't work.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 04:24 PM It's not about me kids- Neither I nor anything I have posted is a Hoax so none of it belongs on this site while the vituperation abounds astoundingly-- ONCE AGAIN- See RedefeatBush.Com Democrats.Com Truthout.Com -and the hundreds of other sites listed in the Live Journal updates; Yes, I have begged, pleaded and threatened to sue Alex to get him to get this material off the site- but unfortunately he finds it more profitable to let everyone have a free rant-fest at my expense. So kids- here we are- Last time- The Live Journal site is http://www.livejournal.com/community/johnkerry04/624056.html Now go ahead and tear me up like smarmy pit bull chewing a rag doll if you like- I am not going to go back into this site again because it's standards for truth in journalism lack much. Cynthia
BugbearSloth	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 04:29 PM Gosh! I think I'm in love! "Cynthia", would you go out with me?
Myst	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 04:51 PM I'm hurt, really I am. I thought for sure my suggestion to Cynthia concerning her own blog was a wonderful idea. I am sure many would find it as informative as her posts here have been. I am ignored once again. Heads off to tend her mushroom garden
Hairy Houdini	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 06:37 PM Alex, our friend "Cynthia" claims on her Live Journal site that she and her compatriots have cooerced you into dropping a thread and some posts. Do you care to comment and offer some details, or is she hoaxing us? Hmmm? Touchy subject, I know, but my interest is piqued (not unlike observers at a tragedy).
The Curator in San Diego Member	Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 \| 07:39 PM Ah, Cynthia. I'm beginning to enjoy this strange encounter with her, in a twisted sort of way. No, I haven't deleted any posts. And as you can see, this thread is still here. What I did do was delete her email address, in the 3 or 4 places that she mentioned it.
Maegan	Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 \| 08:01 AM Has anyone ever heard of drunken turkey? Where you cook your turkey over a beer can? This is sort of what's happened to Cynthia. She's been soaked with a can of "I'm so smart that I use smarmy like it's everyday speak." And now, she's cookin' in it. Puh-LEASE. Maybe if we pretend she's not here she'll go away. OR!! If we say, "I DON'T BELIEVE IN CYNTHIAS", and no one claps afterwards! Say it with me folks: I DON'T BELIEVE IN CYNTHIAS!
Hairy Houdini	Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 \| 11:55 AM I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks, i do i do i do i do, I do believe in spooks. Just not spooky Cynthia
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 \| 12:36 PM If I get enough people not to believe I exist am I excused from paying taxes?
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 \| 12:40 PM Here is what I suggest you focus your tabloid obsessive compulsive need to annhialate on; Did Condy Rice and George Bush have an affair before he cleaned up his act, got sober in the 80s (just before he was turning 40-something) when Laura threatened to leave him and while she worked for his Dad and subsequently became his "Foreign Policy Tutor" after getting the patronage cush job as Provost at Stanford? There's a Gold's gym "work-out partner" exclusive for your Enquiring minds. Go at em folks. I have learned the secret of contentment whether I am believed to exist or not. As long as my clients pay me, and my friends and family still calls everyone else can think I am the toothfairy's elder elf cousin.
Hairy Houdini	Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 \| 12:48 PM Cynthia, I checked out your live journal blog. I was gratified to see that you posted an assertion that members of this message board were claiming you were a hoax, a republican merc-blogger, or Karl Rove himself. I must confess that those suggestions were mine, and while the other members are welcome to share them, are not necessarily the opinions of the site host or advertisers. Your blog says that Alex removed your posts- Alex says he merely removed your e-mail address, as is his policy. Your political intent is well understood, and appereciated by many, I'm sure. This is a HOAX site, so it seemed only appropriate to wonder if your posts were indeed a hoax. I'm glad to note the brevity of your latest post; it counteracts my long-winded drivel here. Good luck
Maegan	Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 \| 12:49 PM H-O-A-X-E-S not conspiracies. Also, I think I just read the longest run-on sentence ever! =o) ::prize::
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 \| 12:51 PM Here's who else doesn't exist by the way so long as we are playing the let's stick our heads in the sand ostrich Denial-is-Not-A-River-In Egypt game; Jesse Jackson who just held an enormously well attended rally in Ohio this week-end talking about challenging the Election results- The People for the American Way Election Protection attorneys who just filed suit in State Court in Ohio- Cobb- the Independent candidate who started the Ohio recount rally cry who originally funded it- And the team of over 1,000 attorneys involved in either suing on the results or recount efforts Let's see - who else doesn't exist------- Just don't tell me Santa doesn't exist. I still believe it and am counting on him to bring me a Kerry upset. Now I promise to go away if you all change the subject to grown up talk.
Maegan	Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 \| 12:52 PM Hmm...Alex, going back to the Notify me when someone replies... How do I stop getting replies when I checked the box once, but then decided I didn't really want to be notified any more? I've replied & un-checked the box...but apparently that doesn't cancel out the last check!
BugbearSloth	Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 \| 01:21 PM "Cynthia", speculating as to whether or not your email is a hoax is grown up talk. That is what we do here: talk about hoaxes and suspected hoaxes. As Alex has said before, there are other forums for long-winded, incoherent, politcal rants. We are not interested in discussing the politics in your silly email. Having a recount is does not necessarily mean that fraud is suspected. It is quite possible that, given all of the new voting techniques used in this year's election, things did not go as planned in all cases. Your "See! They're doing recounts in Ohio! This proves I'm right!" Argument really doesn't hold water, seeing as how Nader has been saying that he is going to call for recounts in Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and one other state since 11/04. And, he has been acting on what he has said. Nader is driving these recounts, and the Democrats have said that they will join him in the recount in Ohio, last I heard (which is before you started your email). Your alarmist "the elections were a fraud and Kerry is going to unconcede" message still appears to be a hoax.
Cynthia L. Butler	Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 \| 01:27 PM BugBear Sloth- what the H kind of name is that? Do you People READ? First (a) it's not my title, (b) it's not my posting- I didn't ONCE post this email anywhere so I not guilty of hoaxing anyone- it was picked up and blasted over the web without my permission and has been superceeded by Cameron Kerry's email and the emails from the Ohio lead attorney and Kerry himself- and finally (c) If there WAS HARD EVIDENCE OF FRAUD Kerry would "Un-Concede" in a New York minute. No one has proved Fraud yet. But the call is out. So Let me be clear. This email and this entire thread is misplaced on this thread. But anything to make ALEX a buck if can't make an honest living. Now, I am done folks. The only thing silly is this long diatribe of mean spirited obnoxious ridiculous failure to read the news. ALEX- I DO NOT WISH TO BE NOTIFIED OF ANY MORE OF THESE LITTLE DIATRIBES. Take me OFF your Email notification list. I have asked repeatedly before like Miss Meagan who is also apparently tired of the tirades. I am going to have to notify AOL of spam if this keeps up. READ PEOPLE, READ. There are only like forty thousands sites out there talking about all of this.
Maegan	Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 \| 01:41 PM Cynthia, please calm down. I had asked to be notified of this singular post & now can't figure out how to reverse it. I'm not in any panic over it. Also, I DID request it...and apparently you did too. It's not SPAM. And I AM tired of the tirades...but you're the only one tirading! Also, I'm not MEAgan, I'm MAEgan. It even sounds different when you say it. I'm very particular about it, because it defines me from the masses!! ;o) P.S. You also made a point that everyone got your name correct, I just thought it a little ironic that you'd mess up mine. Like this guy I knew who's last name was Khounvixay & HIS name got spelled correctly, but at the same business, my name had been spelled Meagan, Meghan, Megan...in 3 different places no less! Anyway...I'm going off-topic. =o)
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