MOH Forum: The Biggest Hoax of History!!!

The Biggest Hoax of History!!!

Posted By:
yitzie99
Oct 19, 2004

This is just to all those that think they're sceptics, but at the same time, beleive in God and all types of spiritual stuff that are basicly the biggest hoax of all time, and there are usually signs to the intent of the hoax: Christianity only became an established religion around 300 years after christ died, so it's also unlikely that we know what year or even what day Jesus has died, but at around that time they were on the brinks of a major social disaster, and the ingenious advisors of the time realized that a bunch of superstitious citizens were less likely to commit crime, so there was less of a patroll for the government, we see in judiasm that there has never been proof that the jews were ever in egypt or of any other things concerning their earlier years, so to say that what actually happened (the miracles that were supposed) to make religion, would be a guess and just like every other hoax- a matter of beleive.

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The Curator in San Diego Member	Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 \| 06:45 PM Good God! He's gotten loose.
Hairy Houdini	Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 \| 06:46 PM Just for the record, I've never deleted a post, shut down a thread, or disparaged ferrets. And I never lie. I don't always tell the truth, but I never lie. Ask the Llamas
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 \| 06:55 PM Hi. My name's maclure. You might remember me from such hoax forums as "The Virgin Mary appeared in my toilet paper!" and "BAN ME! THE STORY OF AN ALL CAPS USER".
Hairy Houdini	Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 \| 06:56 PM Truth to tell, Alex has, on occasion, had to alter a post or two of mine due to extreme brainfarts (on my part, of course). Like dual posts, or extremely incoherent rants due to electrolysis overdose. Hey, I was going to the beach
Smerk in to mischief Member	Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 \| 06:59 PM Thanks Charybdis. I was thinking exactly the same thing... :lol:
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 \| 07:01 PM I find that I spend a large amount of time deleting accidental posts of mine in the forum. Since there are no html tag buttons on the main sight, and I never remember how to code, I have to open a second window in a random forum thread, type my message, then copy the code to the main thread to paste. I invariably hit submit on the forum thread creating a completely off-topic post that I then have to delete.
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 \| 10:17 PM Here's an excellent site for those that need information to debate Christianity and the Bible (if you haven't thought of enough yourself). <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.html">The Skeptic's Annotated Bible</a> There is also a Koran section for your viewing pleasure.
Smerk in to mischief Member	Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 \| 10:41 PM Funny..."The simple believeth every word." Proverbs 14.15. I think someone's already mentioned this one though. :lol:
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 \| 11:04 PM Cappy Al (Related to Cappy Dick?)... There's a website for common sense? 😊 And if ya wanna have FUN screwin with the religious, <a href="http://www.normalbobsmith.com/"> THIS </a> is the site to look at. Make sure you check out the 100+ "Satan's Sal" comics... And he gets some of the best Hate-mail around...
Captain Al in Vancouver Island, Canada Member	Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 \| 09:13 AM It's CAPTAIN Al! Read my lips. I scanned NormalBobSmith.com quickly. Good stuff. I've bookmarked it for later study. That guy sure knows how to push people's buttons. But I like the way Skeptic's Annotated Bible makes arguments about things the faithful can't argue and still claim their monopoly on morality. Lev 20:13 "... shall surely be put to death.", is pretty clear. God believes in captial punishment for gays. The handicapped are not allowed to have God: "Whosoever ... hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God." (Lev 21:17-23) And of course, there's how to sell your daughter and what to do if she does not please her master (Exodus 21:7-8). The Bible makes great family reading!
Rod in the land of smarties. Member	Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 \| 09:42 AM Bob Smith does NOT like to push people's buttons. He likes to park a freakin bus on their buttons. He's not always right, but then neither is anyone else. He does make a lot of good points, though. But the threatening letters from people who describe themselves as good christians never fail to entertain me. And he's the only guy on the entire PLANET to have the balls to go and see "The Passion of the Gibson" of full devil costume. And take a friend with a camera with him. To sum it all up (and change the subject back to the topic), I believe that all gods collectively are the biggest hoax on mankind. Period. There is nothing you could do as a hoax that will ever involve so many people across the planet, and, indeed, across time. So I'll leave you with a little NormalBob <a href="http://www.normalbobsmith.com/satanssalvation/pfss_comic53.html">cartoon</a> or <a href="http://www.normalbobsmith.com/satanssalvation/pfss_comic92.html">two.</a>
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 \| 09:56 AM Boo...Sorry, that was for CAPS GUY. I didn't realize you'd reposted until just now!!
Eina van der Beyst	Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 \| 12:47 PM Hi guys, I would like to drop my five cents on the Christianity hoax thing. We have a problem with the New Testament (New Age) right from the start. Like I just mentioned...NEW is already a change in religion. Nothing is more what it was before. From there on, you get to do with (I'm sorry if you're offended) the first lesbian conceiving of a child in history! As the Holy Spirit is a female personality and so was Maria. From there on the parents were supposed to call the man Immanuel, instead they called him Jesus. And then Jesus said that there was no man born from a woman greater than John. He actually thought that John was the Messiah. Later on, it changed. Also, we all know that Constantine and his 80 (or so) priests created this hoax, not that it was new at the time....it is nothing more than the religion of Babylon. Jesus let the people 'eat' his flesh and 'drink' his blood. Christians do this ritual very regulary in Church. It's disgusting. And we call ourselves...sane? I'm sorry if you're offended, but I must tell you, the Old Testament holds all the truth. It also says that everyone shall die for his own sins. Not someone else! It makes me mad to find out I was lied to! If I may give some advice, please stick to the laws that His Majesty YHWH gave us. It is worth it.
Larry	Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 \| 08:05 PM Hello... I stumbled upon this by accident really. I used Google to search for the Russian MIG pilot that defected in the 70's (no, I cannot actually explain how I got here from THAT...but somehow, that search was the origin 😊 ) I cannot tell anyone what they "have" to believe--I wouldn't even think of trying to do as such. I can only say what I believe and leave it at that. I'm not even sure why I'm posting this. I had no intention of doing so as first. Still...for what it's worth... I went through a large portion of my life doing my "own thing". It was ok...I had some fun...but I could always feel something missing...something out of place. I dunno what the exact wording is but I remember the feeling. I'll keep this brief. Due to a series of intense events in my life, I finally came to the what I consider to be fact. There is a God...there was and is a Jesus...and my life has never been the same since accepting that. My entire outlook on life shifted and I found a peace and a strength that I'd searched for during most of my walk on this earth. You'll never prove or disprove "religion" by argument or fact. It's been tried and always fails. It's a personal matter between an individual and the Creator. But, if you ever receive that touch, you cannot deny it's power. I'm no expert on theology. I'm just an average guy of, at best, average intelligence and I know that. Still...it's my sincere wish and...yes, my prayer...that every reader in this topic experiences what I've experienced because it's so special, pure and powerful. Religion? It's a matter of faith...and, no person can ever instill that in you. Best to each of you and your families.
steve	Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 \| 04:55 AM my argument isnt the existence of god, or the birth of jesus as i beleive he was born but he was not the son of god just is his mother lied to cover up her infidelity, and joseph wernt the brightest spark and his friends didnt wana upset him, may seem crazy but read my theory. Mary and joseph are married and joseph must be suffering impotence or something or just works 2 hard and is always tired 4 sex, n e way due to this the virgin mary is having it away behind his back, and thusly gets pregnant, she knows joseph might get a bit suspicious about this as he's never had a bit of upstairs downstairs with mary but now shes with child.(mary has no broken 1 of the 10 commandments-adultery) Marys only chocie is ti lie to joseph (commiting one of the seven sins) to tell a lie so ridiculous that joseph has 2 believe it so she says...this child is the son of god....angel came down blah blah blah. Think if your partner told you this you would think theres no way she could tell a lie this stupid and expect 2 beleive it so its got 2 b the truth...thus the story carries on and the religion of christainity is created upon lying \and adultery. Bit more believable than a stable and some shepards
Jeremy	Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 \| 08:04 AM Mark-n-Jen - If Christianity, or any religion, is ever disproved by science, it very well may start a war. Maybe not here in the US, but I imagine abroad it could. People and their beliefs/faith are just that, their own. The reason science would never disprove religion is because of the consequences to science in the aftermath. People like to have something to hold on to. They want to believe that the 75 or so years you spend on this earth are not all there is to our existence. They want to believe that what they do now will somehow affect how their after-life goes. Otherwise, how do these people discern right from wrong. Moral from immoral. Science could not provide that for them like religion can. Science cannot prove right or wrong, at least not in a sense like religion does. I am not a believer, at least not in Christianity. I do not berate people or try to persuade believers to give up their beliefs. I find it hilarious how the opposite is not true. My friends and family who are Christian(Catholic and Lutheran) are just appalled that I do not believe and do whatever they can to try to convert me. Why is that? Why do Christians feel the need for everyone to have their same beliefs?
DFStuckey	Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 \| 11:30 PM At the risk of opening a big flame war again, steve, it's pretty clear you haven't read the Bible before you came upwith this theory of Christ's birth. It falls down when you claim that Joseph and Mary were married when she became pregnant; According to one gospel, they were betrothed, but most sources state that Jospeh offered to amrry her after she had become with child, which is a pretty radical thing for him to have done at the time - Well, even today, as few men rush to marry a teenage mother in Mary's state. Oh, and recall that Mary was only recently a woman in the legal sense, that is 14 years old, when she concieved. Admittedly, given life expectancies that's like she was 30 or so in the modern age, but still . . . It makes one wonder about God's headspace. And why all the attacks on Christianlty? Is it because the US is such a publicly Christian country that this sort of thing is the only way you people can still play at teenage rebel?
nath	Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 \| 10:42 AM ahhh the est hoax ever is when that man on the radio said that there had been sightings about aliens....
Darion	Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 \| 11:14 AM I believe everyone here are going on assumptions and "christian history" for information.....Arius Calpornius Piso and his italian aristocrat family created Christiany through egyptian and paganist gods and characters....this religion was created to keep the sephardic jew population from increasing inside of rome. And christianity is a hoax for the definition is purposely misleading. But this is just on a grand scale.....60% pf the world is catholic or christian!
PicassoInActions Member	Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 \| 02:44 PM Ok, let's make it simple. Religion is the tool to control one group of ppl by another Religion is the opium (drug) for masses Drug can be good and bad. While ppl had nothing ,the most powerful tool is ideology. And in this case religion can be very well suited. Christianity managed to survive because at that time ppl was needed something to unite them. While Jewish religion was more into it self, there was a need for something bigger. Christianity was an alternative. AS for Jesus.. have he ever lived. Sure. Are there any evidence of person by name Jesus being prosecuted. Sure Is he a god? that's the part many trying to interpreted. If the bible was written or inspired by God then it would be a perfect book trough all the time it exist without any interpretation. Can some one read the bible today( not just piece here and there) and realize wtf it is saying. It was written for ppl of that time and never was indented to be a book for modern age. That's why we need so many interpretations for each statement in the book. We have tools and some knowledge to analyze the book but can we really accept the answers? No. One more point before i am done... While so many ppl blame Jewish for crucifying Jesus... they all forget or never read the damn bible them self and realize ( of cause if they capable to think once in while without blind faith) that Jesus according to the God rules was against the Jewish religion. And the first commandment .... I am The Lord your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:2-3 RSV) The Creator Is The Only True God So if ppl follows what God say then who would be the Jesus in this situation? (he was claimed to be a son of god only 3 days after his death) . And the ppl who crucified him were the Romans , not the Jesus. "The Biggest Hoax of History!!! " i don't believe it was a hoax , i believe it was artificially created for the need of that time. And, any religion did play a significant role trough our history.
enlightenedbeyondbeleif	Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 \| 05:51 AM Christianity itself is the one of many hoaxes and schemes thought up by people who wish not to produce anything of any real worth and so they usurp wealth by creating higher forces and 'authorities' to promote guilt and hence make money. Look at all the religions, especially christianity. Unfortunately, people are too stupid to realise that people did that years ago when humans were barbarians. Were not anymore but alot of people are still under the impression that they serve some higher purpose and that gives them an excuse not to take responsibility for their own lives. Its laziness emobodied, provided the people reading this arent to stupid to make that simple connection.
Strawbonnaire	Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 \| 09:20 AM religion is useless.
miles palmerton	Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 \| 11:14 PM christianity is obviously a religion that people made up at the time because they want to look up to someone for help whenin reality we were made from atoms and bacteria. people must look to secular subjects and not religous things that may or may not be true. galileo must have been the smartest person in the renaissance.
DFStuckey	Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 \| 01:55 AM "galileo must have been the smartest person in the renaissance" It's odd that you say that, miles, because according to you, anyone who believes in God must be intellectually retarded; Yet you praise Galileo who believed in God. Galileo didn't do anything that inteeligent either - He just reported what he saw through his telescope, and made predictions based on that. Never did he doubt in God because of it, though he was given many reasons to doubt men of God afterwards. And the view of an Earth-centred universe that was prevalent at the time was thought up by Greek philosphoers who did not believe in any of their own gods either. Atheism or faith are not indicators of wisdom or lack thereof.
Mike	Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 \| 07:55 PM Religion IS a hoax. True, you cannot disprove faith, but you can disprove the Creation Theory. Therefore, since it has been disproved many times by a little thing called evolution; reverends, priests, etc., are perpetuating a hoax, because god has been disproved. I think it is totally fine for someone to refer to the bible as a means of teaching morals, but when these stories are taken literally, things get messy. Afterall, how is it that the bible is taken seriously, while what the ancient Greeks believed is referred to as "mythology". The bible is no more than a book of myths, fables, and stories, and should not be taken literally or seen as factually (100%) true. Before the advent of printing press people had to copy the bible BY HAND in order to reproduce it. Do you think that these people had no opinion in the matter or were capable of a flawless translation? No. Anyways, debate over religion is useless. People will believe what they want to believe regardless of what the facts say....
PicassoInActions Member	Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 \| 08:15 AM To Mike: "People will believe what they want to believe regardless of what the facts say...." I agree on this , but the problem is comming where those people making decisions based on the religion. If thier belives would not affect anyone that's one story ,but since there are many people that can control or influence others then the problem starts. I think people needs to have better educations and start thinking for them self.
satchattack Member	Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 \| 01:47 PM Absolutely, I know exactly what you mean. It is one thing to believe what you believe and not force it upon others or make governmental decisions with religious values in mind.
DFStuckey	Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 \| 06:23 PM There we have the crux of one of the problems of the debate, mike - Many people feel that atheists are forcing their beliefs or lack therof upon others, or preventing anyone having those beliefs by suppressing them. The huge joke is, that atheism is the main go to place for those outside the mainstream in the US because of it's religious society; The most devout Christian I knew was a Russian biologist lecturing at university when I was there ( and yes, he supported evolutionary theory - Sorry, guys, but evolution says NOTHING about the existence of a god other than a lack of hands-on management ), who said that the radicals in the old Soviet used to carry Bibles simply to show their outsider status. So, in another place and time, you guys would be arguning the exact opposite of what you are now simply to be Kewl. 😊 Environmental adaptation at work - Deny that, and evolution is disproved.
PicassoInActions Member	Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 \| 08:57 PM to DFStuckey Hi i tink there is a confusion between beliving in god and religion. Atheism is belive too since it can't be proven. ANything that can't be proven is based on belive and nothing is wrong with that. The main concern with religion that it's not about god or his creations , it's about rules and regulations that particular religions forces upon thier followers. Lot's of ppl beliving in god and never go to church or follow thier rules. It's different. Btw. I am from Russia and when you mention that russian teacher into the god creation story... It's just modern thing from russian ppl lately since religion was prohibited during soviet Union. Everyting that was prohibited before became modern now in russia.
satchattack Member	Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 \| 01:04 AM exactly picasso....i have no problem believe there is a god even tho i don't believe in one...its the rules and regulation and beliefs that a person FORCES upon another...yes, even an atheist can force that on someone...believe what you wish...but don't force it on me is all i ever ask of people....and the even bigger problem is when a person of power has a belief and wishes to act upon it...that is when it is at its worst.....
DFStuckey	Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 \| 07:43 PM Picasso, very wise words. The only point I would dispute is that many atheists would also maintain that a belief system _in_itself_ is wrong and should be corrected, as we do with people who have delusions of paranoia through mental illness. Yes, I am aware that previous governements in your homeland also used that last as an excuse to incarcerate people but it can be true as well. Satchattack, there is a slight flaw in your logic that no-one should force their beliefs on others. Society runs on forcing many people to conform to the belief that one should obey a series of rules; For example, imagine if there was no effort to force people to follow the rules set down for traffic and driving. Yet, not only do societies maintain quasi-military operations to make people act in accordance with those arbitrary laws, even members of society try to coerce others through physical and mental abuse to obey. I say arbitrary because after all, you Americans drive on the opposite side of the road to us and you don't have masses of accidents, so maybe for you it is correct. Don't let me get started on the idea of individual freedom being curtailed; I might bring up the sexual needs of Jefferey Dahmer, and someone might be eating while reading eat. 😊
satchattack Member	Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 \| 08:00 PM I see what you mean Stuckey, but there is a difference between forcing someone to believe that they must obey traffic laws and forcing someone to believe a religion. Forcing someone to obey a traffic law creates safety for society. Forcing someone to believe in a certain religion has no benefit for society. It only allows the religion to manipulate a person to do what they wish, which can be used in evil ways... And about the Jefferey Dahmer thing: my simply put logic is; no ones freedom should be curtailed, unless in exercising it, one has curtailed someone elses. In other words, when he satisfies his sexual needs, he is curtailing someone elses freedom to choose what they do with their bodies.
DFStuckey	Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 \| 09:29 PM satchattack, sorry, but you have not yet got it. Many of our laws are based soley on one particular religion; The idea that you do not harm others by your actions is a Judeao-Christina artifact, and many religions actually believe quite the opposite. The one that springs immediately to mind is Mithrainism, or the Soldier's Creed of about the same time as the early Christians; The believers of this faith felt justified in killing to gain what they desired as part of their divine right, although they needed to speak to a priest afterwards to set a reperation to their diety, Mithras the bull-god. In any event, while you argue that traffic rules are there for safety, I would lay any money at all that any person who broke a traffic rule would vouch that their behaviuor was not harming anyone at the time, and that they don't see why a safe driver like themselves shouldn't be allowed to take such actions. Similarly, Dahmer would have pointed out that most of his victims were willing participants to begin with. After all, there is no physical law that actually states that killing a human being is any more or less wrong than killing anything else: Both are artificial constructs, like you argue religion is. Besides, how many times have you felt justified in doing something you knew society would condemn you for?
foxjazz	Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 \| 09:53 AM First of all, religion is a deliberate deception. It is a well designed and planned out deception. To say that "Faith" cannot be disproven is highly inaccurate. Faith is NOT a reliable way of gaining knowledge, and through the rules of science, faith is disproven just by its nature. To disprove "God" is harder, it just depends on your definition of God. If you take the Judao Christian God as a definition, it is easily a logic contradiction, and therefor "disprove". However if you take some non charactaristic God thought and don't ascribe the "All powerful" attributes to it, it is not disprovable. However the very nature of Logic is that it is not possible to prove a negative given no limits. So limits have to be defined clearly and certainty can have a measurement within logical limits. As for Christianity being the bigest Hoax, well I would say the Holocost is the biggest, then Christianity falls as a close second. Then you can go down to bigfoot, abominable snowman, and santa clause etc. There ya have it folks, the truth has been told, and only those with ears that hear, and eyes that see may truly gain the forbiddon knowledge and the truth of life. Regards, Fox
PicassoInActions Member	Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 \| 03:00 PM Religion as biggest Hoax... I re-read from the beginning and lots of people think it's not a hoax since faith can't be proven or disproved... Well faith and religion are 2 different things. As for the bible that Christianity bases their roots is the biggest Hoax. Bible was created artificially from several books. And Church is not hiding it. Into those books only the parts that were comfortable for ppl who created were included. So it is biggest Hoax. As for Old Testament, if some one read it (not just looking) they would notice that original commandments were written way before by Egyptians in
The Anti-God Member	Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 \| 01:10 AM <font size=+7>RELIGION IS OUTDATED AND SHOULDN'T BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE TODAY. THERE ARE PRINCIPLES TO BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE THAT ARE POSSIBLY BENEFICAL TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE RELIGION ITSELF WAS WRITTEN BY PEOPLE WHO LIVED SO LONG AGO THAT THEY HAD NEARLY NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORLD THEY LIVED IN</font>
The Anti-God Member	Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 \| 01:32 AM please visit http://ffrf.org/quiz/bquiz.php there you can take a quiz and see how much you really know about the bible
Lucy	Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 \| 01:07 AM To anyone who may read this. I am not extremely well educated on Religions. But for every Christian person, who claims that it is not a hoax, they have so much "factual" information (as reliable as it can be due to the ages of it). If I believed something then I would just believe it. Christianity was most definently re-designed for Kings to utilise their country, to have people to take the first shot really, and say nothing different because thats what they believed. Some Kings also being Christians got great entertainment, out of Crusades. Do believe it, cause you wouldn't doubt for a second that Paris Hilton buys a pair of $4570 shoes or bag, that just how rich and powerful people do things. Christianity seems to be the only religion that strives to prove itself amongst the others. For the record (and any confused) Jesus did live it is indeed proven, what cannot be proven however was whether he was the son of God, something Judaism denys strongly. Hoax to the true meaning of the word, is when people or person devise a scheem to trick people, to make them believe something that isn't true, think a forwarded email. Why would anyone think to do this, cause it funny, something smart people do for entertainment. Ever met someone you really didn't like but couldn't be mean too, just making subtle jokes about them that they don't get, hands up anyone who knows they have done this. But in a sense was Christianity a hoax to make stupid poorly educated ancient people stop believing everything else they heard. I say live life like you will never die, sleep in whenever, take risks. Cause even if there is nothing else you won't know any different.
Dave	Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 \| 01:13 AM ~~**With a petite little socially acceptable courtsey: Jesus died for your sins folks, plain and simple. Accept it, deny it, trash me, love me, get happy or mad with me or at me, jion a UFO cult and fly away, it won't matter to me when you die, but it sure will to Jesus. What does matter is whether you let Jesus into your heart before you do and confess your sins. He wants you to do that so you can spend eternity with him, think about it, that REALLY IS A LONG TIME. Its really that simple, no debate about it. :red:
foxjazz	Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 \| 11:06 PM I see that Dave has bought into th hoax. Good going Dave, believe it all you want, it aint so. Plain and simple.
eridut	Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 \| 01:07 PM awesomeness is a control mechanism. your mind will shut down and you will cease travel. like many others, awesomists are the cause of the 'fear' of end. yet this desire to combat fear makes it concrete. you prefer to be fluid because you know it is good for you. i am becoming fluid as i read this. i can feel my true body becoming free again and it is good.
PicassoInActions	Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 \| 06:38 PM What's interesting, those who talks too much about Jesus, never really even read the bible. All thier comments comes from sunday gatherings. Read it first than understand. Only with Jesus ethernal punishment was introduced. So much for love and peace. God in the bible personaly ( excluding flood, plaques.. and other murders where no number specified.) killed 2.3 million ppl. Satan killed only 10 trough whole bible ( those 10 comes from gambling bet between god and satan on job's family). If you read the bible even God says him self that he let Job's family die for no cause nor reason. It's all there. But if we look again all non-christians are going to die on second comming of all-love and peacefull dude. 6.5 billion now, offical numbers of christianity is 1.3 billion ( catholic encyclopedia) and that includes mormons, witnesses and other sects). So 6.5 billion of today minus 1.3 billion of dummies = 5.2 billion will be tortured in hell for eternity. Enjoy your Jesus.
Gatica	Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 \| 06:23 PM Religion is a form of control, it keeps people in check. If people thought that they weren
PicassoInActions	Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 \| 07:13 PM There is no need for religion to have control over public. There is a land law that evolves from society to protect the humanity and it does way better job than any religion.
Shaheir	Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 \| 10:27 AM First of all Jesus himself declares that the father is greater than I. Which means he is a prophet. Paul that basturd idiot was an idian who with his idiotic beliefs changed the whole damn religon.
Shaheir	Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 \| 10:30 AM Paul wanted to make the religon "easier for greeks and romans" who already worshiped man-gods. He will have to answer to God to this on THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. Paul is a deciever. Be warned. He is LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shaheir	Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 \| 10:33 AM IF jesus died for sins why isn't he coming again to be cruxified? Look at todays world of raping, drugs, and other sins. Is he going to come again and be cruxified? This is absurd.
Sleeps with Dogsl	Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 \| 01:46 PM Religion, like science can grossly interfere with ones reltionship with their creator. All religions that are based on love, tolerance, self sacrifice & compassion are valid to the Spirit of the Great Heart. One can blame evil on many things, but when all is said & done we can see that most of man's problems arise from the works of his own hands. Death like birth are only doorways between the known & the unknown. I believe what Shakespear said about there are more things in heaven & earth than are even dreamt of in our philosophies. It is easy to believe in nothing and I don't trust the easy way
firesalamander Member	Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 \| 02:07 AM I don't know what it is about this topic that makes me love to rant about it. It's hilarious to watch people base their arguements on the bible back themselves into a corner when they could simply give logical arguements about historical and scientific facts. The sad truth is, there really isn't any proof on either side, but until there is, I figure it would be a good idea to build up an arguement. several people have brought up the amazing obsevation that the universe exists, and therefor must have a creator, or a god. right, great theory. Everything must be created, so what created god? and who says that this creator MUST be the force your talking about? that arguement destroyed, these god-fearing christians usually start screaming about the bible. The bible, they say, is god'd word, but is there truth behind that statement. The thing is, god didn't write the bible, people did. You see, the bible is a book. a very inspirational, powerful book, but a book it is. There isn't anything immortal about it. For whatever reason however, this book just happens to command a very large, ignorant percent of the world's population. All of it's power is self-proclaimed, and can not be held as any kind of evidence or factual information, and if it were, it would reveal god as the manipulative, cruel, prejudice tyrant that most christians describe him as.(without realising it of course.) And then these good little children finally fall back to their bullet-proof box that is the "you can't take the entire bible literally" speach. But even the most secure doors can be breached with a little bit of C4. Honestly, it's such a perfect, heavy, powerful arguement it caves in on itself. It's ridiculous convenience proves itself untrustworthy. Think about it, "all of the bible is true, exept the parts you use in your arguemnt, those are all figurative and metaphorical, but anything that will aid in my arguement against atheism is valid" do I really have to point out how unrealistcall this idea is? Now that I've defeated the main three supports of the tyranical chirtianity wall, all those who haven't been fair or honest* in their arguements for religion must answer for their ignorance and surrender. but even on their way out, they can't help but leave without leaving some kind of scar. You have no idea how many times I've heard variations of the phrase "I don't care what you think, I'll go to heaven and you'll go to hell, end of story." All I can say about that is this: grow up. That is the adult equivalent of "I don't care that you beat me in four-square, I'm going to tell my mommy and you'll get in trouble"** I've almost torn off heads hearing this statement out of frustration. A.) clearly you DO cacre, as you were willing to argue about it for howerver long, and you continue, trying to make me feel like a baby-eating heathen. and B.) Who are you to judge whether I'll go to heaven or not? I support the arts, show generosity to strangers, have a good work ethic, and have never commited any kind of crime in my life. Would your god damn me just because I value logic and knowledge over prayer and faith? If so, then I'll walk tall in hell knowing I've chosen correctly in not supporting him. * I have nothing againts christians who base their arguements fairly and wisely instead of insisting that their word is law. I don't draw a single line between atheists and communists. ** In all my childhood I've never gotten in trouble for winning anything, though this may be because I chose to suround myself with intelligent, open-minded people.
unknown	Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 \| 08:07 PM if this go's through then i want to say this about organized religion. organized religion is a rleigion which is created and planned through, christianity is considered this because of churches and shows and even the bible was made by thousands of scrolls and scripts but a select few were chosen. now if you look up the egypt and jesus silimlarites My god youll think either one of two things its a hoax! or its logic. see an egyption god had the exact same similarites to jesus but htis happend about 3 thousand years ago not 2 which was jesus. Oh and the other thing i know if you go on this site you want to know about ufos now my opionion on that is thye are real why? because look up the relgion and ufo art and youll see in all the art of christ there is atleast one ufo. and chrisitanity is my relgion but i have to say has flaws and bias to all other religons i mean come on people who really wants to hear aout preists and choir boys or how if your not catholic your in hell. i think that if you have a relgion GOOD for you but its just way to organized and irrelevant to care any more i mean alot of the miralces that crist supposedley done i mean walk on water WELL he might have walked the red sea with salt water at a all time high in those times he could hav ewalked on that or a thin layer of ice. and besides in about a few thousand years hell one of us might be considered the son of man. and another thing if adam and eve did exist wed all go to hell cause incest is a sin. 😏
gary	Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 \| 04:04 AM Hey unknown, did you ever think about going to school? Its good. They teach you things like basic grammar and spelling. That way, when you write things, Other people get a vague comprehension of what you're saying.
zeitgeistmovie.com	Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 \| 07:44 AM No historian during the time Jesus was supposed to have lived ever wrote about a man named "Jesus." No mention of him. If you visit zeitgeistmovie.com and watch the movie it explains it very well. Relgions, in my opinion, have always been about societal control. Look how it has manipulated us over the past century.
Phill	Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 \| 10:44 PM religion is evil. in disguise. it has caused war and conflict for centuries. 9-11 was all based on religion. they wanted to hurt us and the quran told them that if they died in the name of allah, they would live forever. bullshit? i think so. "If 'God' created everything, then he is outside of everything. And therefore, 'He' is nothing."
Samantha	Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 \| 02:52 PM Is a religious title truly needed? Faith is faith, regardless of what church you follow. Does a label really mean anything? Why isn't the idea of heaven and hell as simple as the choices you make to be a good person? I don't believe,I don't need to believe, in the altered and skeptical stories preached by a book that has been rewritten and retold thousands of times. Does reading the bible or sitting in a church every sunday reserve me a place in heaven? What a joke. The people who have such faith that God will love, and forgive you of your sins if you would only welcome him into your heart are blind. And brainwashed. If this God you believe in truly loves the people he has created, why would he punish those who aren't soley to devoted to him? We evolve, we grow, and we learn. Did God create the human race to remain frozen in our development? Because of my skepticism, and curiousity about faith, and christianity, does this mean I am doomed to burn in hell for all enternity? I know that although I may not live by the rules of the bible, or devote myself soley to my "savior", that I am a good person. And if there is an all mighty power, a God, a whatever, then they, in all their infinite wisdom, would know this, and I would not be punished. How can anyone put their faith into something that discriminates anyone who doesn't believe in their ideas? In their beliefs? It is a political campaign, and we are all picking sides. WHO CARES? Your beliefs are your beliefs. Judge people based on their values and ethics, not their religious standing. I am a firm believer in gay marriage, a firm believer in the death penalty, and a firm believer in having compassion for those less fortunate. I believe in second chances, and I believe in an eye for an eye. Nothing is black and white, including religion. Christianity, Judism, the Darwinian Theory, whatever. We will never know, and it will be an ongoing battle. Waiting for Jesus to rescue us, for God to give us the answers is ignoring that fact that we must help ourselves. If there is a God, then why would he put forth any effort into our race. We are selfish and prideful, and we have to work for whatever change we hope to see. I believe that organized religion is an exclusive club that will soon destroy us all. Discrimination will be our bitter end, because we are ignorant in believing that we hold the answers. It is all a joke.
toldu	Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 \| 02:17 AM jesus was put in the place of an egyptian sun god named horus and christianity was made research it
you people are retarded	Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 \| 08:49 AM religion was and is a hoax. back in midevil times if you were loaded and gave cash to the church they would "save you" and do you really need anymore scientific proof.AND that was a cheap shot when you attacked that dudes ghrammer
LEWIS BRAGG	Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 \| 02:21 PM this sounds verry interesting i know people that believe this way' l. b.
Lee Larson	Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 \| 07:40 PM ALL THIS TIME, AND ALL THIS FUSS, AND YOU FOLKS HAVEN'T YET FIGURED OUT THAT ALL RELIGION, AS SUCH, IS A HOAX? THERE IS NO PROOF FOR ANY OF IT. AND, NO, I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANYTHING ON FAITH JUST SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SCRAMBLE FOR PROOF. IT IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT TO LIVE A DECENT AND RATIONAL LIFE THAN TO BOW AND SCRAPE BEFORE GODS AND IMAGES THAT SPRING FROM WISHFUL THINKING.
D F Stuckey	Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 \| 07:45 PM Lee, some people do take a long time to notice what is obviuos, like when the Caps Lock is on.😊 Or are you shouting to try and convince peopel? A tactic that has never worked with anyone in history except teh weak willed. Still, it's interesting that the most devout athiets I know are form America, and the most devout Christians I know are from ex-Soviet Union countries; Maybe there's a lesson in that. As the locals always say though, there are only nine things religious people are good for - Hearts, lungs, livers, kidneys, corneas and cheap stir fry meat.
oyun oyna	Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 \| 02:31 PM It is true that we aren't sure of exactly when Jesus was born or died. Even the strictest fundementalists I've met will admit that Jesus almost certainly wasn't born on December 25th, and that the guy who established our modern system of years probably picked the wrong one for when Jesus was supposed to have been born. However, there are enough references to known historical figures that it's possible to make relatively good guesses.
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