What Happens When Dogs Attack a Bull

I know this is a really different situation, but these pit bulls are vicious MFers. I, for one wouldn't give a care if they did outlaw this 'breed'. Its been almost a whole week since I heard a story of a pit bull disfiguring or killing someone, while the owners and others hit the animal with a baseball bat, yet doesn't slow it down a lick.

My dad's neighbor's dog was attacked by a leashed pit bull in the street in front of his driveway. My dad brought out a ball peen hammer and repeatedly struck the pit in the skull with it. The dog never let go until the owner was able to drag it away as it tried to reset its grip.

Cue the "pitty" defenders...

Awww ... poor dogs! Starving to death, then shot. Awww.

I remember seeing these long before Katrina, can't remember if it was at snopes...but I think it was determined that it was a setup.

I checked snopes. Couldn't find anything about this. Anyway, the Sunday Telegraph pretty much states that they were there, and right now I don't have any reason to doubt them.

Ugh, do people really have to use the word "bitch" to refer to female dogs? I know that's what it originally meant, but it just doesn't work anymore...

"Ugh, do people really have to use the word "bitch" to refer to female dogs?"

Er... yes.

It is the correct word to describe such creatures.

Whom are you concerned will take offence, people or the dog? :D

I bet the reporter was enjoying every minute of it, she probably had one of those beer hats and a big foam #1 hand and was waving a little flag

GO BULL GO!

What kind of weapon was this NG soldier using that it wouldn't stop a dog after being hit in the head? Using an M16 it would be pretty hard to believe that a 5.56 round wouldn't rip through the dog like a knife through butter. And if he was using the M9 he would have to get pretty close, but there are no pictures of that. I think the urban legend here is that pit bulls are portrayed as almost supernatural in their endurance. Tough is one thing, but immune to rifle fire is another. This dude either missed and just stunned the dog for a moment or as usual the reporter didn't understand what was going on. If that's how it all went down.

Bulldogs do have strong skulls, Lonewatchman. And it would also be a fairly small, rounded target, perhaps moving around a bit. It's quite possible that the bullet would hit it at an angle and be deflected. And even if the bullet did penetrate, shots to the head are often not instantly fatal (especially with a small-calibre jacketed round like an M-16 fires).

As you said, though, we are dependant on the reporter's description of what happened, and we all know just how accurate and knowledgable news reports can be.

As an answer to the "what were the dogs thing?" Pit bulls are called that because they were bred for bullbaiting and bull fights. And often they were the winners.

I pity the bull!!!

ok first off,someone was talking about the gun used to shoot the dogs,plenty of animals and humans have been shot with bigger then m16 and lived no problem,some have been shot in head and died,but still had enough in them to still run or attack,so your just dumb and dont know shit...pit bulls were not only breed to fight do more research before you talk about something u dont know....if we ban pit bulls the same idiot owners that made that pitbull mean will just choose a new breed and make it mean so it wont stop..ive been doing euthanasia at the shelter i work at for 2 yrs,ive never been bit by a pitbull,i have by almost everyother breed...now thats something to thing
k about....

I think they should ban bulls instead, i'm tired of eating them at mcdonalds

If that had been two wolves attacking a deer, no one would have stopped them. But two starving domesticated animals get shot for doing what any animal (or person)would have done in the same situation, surviving.

I find it rediculous that anyone can justify killing hungry animals for hunting simply because they are a specific breed.

If those had been labadors, would shooting them have still been okay? I seriously doubt it. Labs would have garnered sympathy, while the fact that these are two pit bulls just feeds more fuel to the breed specific legislation movement.

Fritz made some good points. Maybe they should outlaw stupid humans and then we wouldn't have so many aggressve dogs.

When domesticated animals go wild, they are called feral. They are more dangerous than, for example, coyotes because
1) no fear of humans
2) don't behave like wild animals
3) don't behave like domesticated animals
4) have the potential to completely fuck the local balance of wildlife
5) have the potential to wreak havoc on human activities (such as attacking domestic animals like the bull depicted)
6) in the case of these dogs, bred for fighting

A pack of feral dogs needs to be dealt with very aggressively. Next time you have six slavering animals attacking your pet cat, the last thing on your mind is letting nature take its course.

Those of you who wrote praise and support for the murder of these two dogs and for banning "pit bulls" are ignorant and misinformed about these dogs. The two dogs in this article were simply orphans of a natural disaster who were hunting because they were hungry. What would you do if you were in their place? You cannot condemn an animal for trying to survive.

As a whole, Pit Bulls are very kind and docile. The American Kennel Club recommends the American Pit Bull Terrier as a pet for families with children. If you look at the statistics on the Temperment Testing Society website, you will see that Pit Bulls have one of the highest passing rates of any breed. The majority of times that there is a report on a "pit bull" attack the dog(s) involved is not even a Pit Bull. If you do see a picture of the dog involved, most times, it is a mongrel of some sort or a dog of another aggressive breed such as Mastiffs, Akitas, German Shepards, or even Chows. Below are recent articles about attacks of dogs of various other breeds:

http://www.workingpitbull.com/fatalbook.htm

Get informed before you go running around "half-cocked" spreading misinformation.

There isn't anything wrong with owning a pitbull. It's the owners who mistreat these animals to be angry animals. I do own two pitbulls and have a 3year old son playing with them. It's all on how you treat them and raise them. pitbull owners should have to have a license and criminal back round check in order to have one of these animals.
Pitublls are not humane agressive can be animal agressive if trained to be. Pitbulls love anyone and anything as long as their taken care of. My dogs have to sleep under the blanket take showers with me go to the store etc. Society needs to be educated on this special breed of dog their actually a four legged humane if you know about the breed and own ot.

Listen up people. The pit bull is the result of human selective breeding over many years. The purpose of the pit bull was to fight to the death if necessary in a dog pit. In a fight the dog undergoes extreme doses of pain. They are bred, however, for that specific purpose; to tolerate ridiculous amounts of pain without ever loosing sense of who the enemy is. During a fight, the dogs are being bit any and everywhere by the other dog while the owners are trying to pull them apart. The dogs do not bite theirs or other owners during the fight. True pit bulls are extremeny human friendly and weren't bred as guard dogs. If a person is attacked by any bull breed, the media often refers to the dog as a pit bull. I personally asked a news station to verify that a dog was a pure bred pit bull after it had atacked a woman and they couldn't.

Pit bulls are not evil dogs. I would trust one with my child same as I would a lab. I watched two black labs attack and kill my best friends dog for no reason what so ever. Should we kill all black labs because of it? I have been attacked by a chow should i hate all chows because of it? People who hate pit bulls because of the evil things people have made the do are not only idiots but should be shot along with the people that gave the pit bull a bad name. Rememeber any breed of dog can be meand and any breed of dog can attack and kill.

My cat would have killed that bull faster than the pitbulls.

These dogs acted naturally. They reacted the same way people do when faced with starvation. Only the strong survive and thats what these dogs did they got tough instead of choosing to die. they choose taking the risk of being killed by the bull rather then die of starvation. Shooting these dogs was uncalled for. They had collars on meaning they were original owned by a human being. If there is one piece of information many people lack it's that a dog is only as good as its owner. But i will acknowledge that dogs can be dangerous, (TRY USING THIS IN A GENERAL STATEMENT RATHER THEN PINNING DANGEROUS ONLY ON A PIT BULL) The killing of these dogs was uncalled for. Why didn't the same people who killed these beautiful creatures try offering food to them. Probly out of fear is why they didn't but it sure as hell didn't stop them from snapping pictures of a pit bull attacking. Ignorant Bastards thats what i say.

I had no 'effin' idea that 'feral dogs' wore collars .... come the f*ck on people ... whomever allowed this whole act to take place should be hung ...

oops, I almost forgot ...

Dear Katie in Philly ...

Humans would NOT behave this way ... we are gatherers ... stupid dummy head!
(sorry, i had to kick it down a notch so you could understand ... given your mentality level and all ... )
pst; the correct spelling is; probably ...

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FUCK you people that think pitbulls are bad.the only reason that you think that thier bad is just because youve had a bad experince with them.an all the ignorint people that dont like them shut youre mouths and find something better to do than bag on a dog that cant even do anything for its self. its not like they can talk or have a say in this.ya there are bad pitbulls out there but there is even more good ones then mean ones.

I can't believe some fool shot two dogs for attacking a bull--the soldier who agreed to do that must have never been to a farm in his life--cattle are just meat--dogs are a farmer's friends. That soldier should have shot the bull in the head so the two dogs could eat it without risking getting hurt. Who cares if two starving pits kill a cow? what the hell good is the cow anyway except to eat?

If you look closely, at these dogs, their ears have not been cropped, nor their tails bobbed. These dogs were probably not breed for fighting, as those are two crucial things a fighting pit must have done. (Less to bite at) It is quite simply that these dogs were starving, and there was fresh beef in sight. If I was starving, I would try to kill the bull too. Notice, they didn't attack the reporter, standing just feet away, taking pictures. That would have been much easier. The dogs are much faster than humans and can jump six foot fences like low hurdles. Pits are also one of the more carasmatic breeds of dogs, usually bred for protection, of humans. I have been around dogs my entire life, and never bit by a pit, which Ihave encountered near forty rescued dogs. I have been bit by many smaller, house dogs, such as wire-hair terriers and maltese, even labs. The difference is that these dogs, pits, are so very strong-jawed, that if they have a reason, whatever it may be, there's no stopping them, because the jaw-lock. However, given this situation, any breed of dog would have done the same, if not worse. These dogs were running around and only attacked a bull, not the reporter standing just feet away, nor the soldiers firing on them.

ok first of all i got to say pitbulls kickass second i got to say all you people who want to ban them you can go off and fuck yourself. if you want to ban pitbulls you mite as well try to ban the military there both traind the same to kill or be killed to hunt or be hunted so dont bitch about these dogs..

First, just a little correction, pit bulls' jaws do not "lock." They are extremely strong and muscular and difficult to pry apart. However, they do not physically "lock" ever, in ANY way.

Second, for those of you defending pit bulls. I agree with you (you can see that in my previous response, however I want to issue a word of caution. Typing curse words, insults, and otherwise demeaning people who are afraid of specific breeds of dogs does nothing but ENFORCE the hate and fear that these people have. They may be wrong, but when you defend pit bulls with one breath and curse someone out with the next, you are just proving their point. If you want to be taken seriously, speak with respect and intelligence, please.

Third, Gwen from Chesapeake, VA: First off, see above statement. Second off, you showed your own ignorance in saying that humans are "gatherers" and not "hunters." The proper term is "hunter/gatherer" and they go TOGETHER. Humans have eaten meat sense the beginning of time. We are not herbivores or carnivores. We are omnivores. This means we need BOTH meat (or a meat-like substitute) and vegetation to survive.

Retards, the lot of you.

First of all, this incident happened after the devasation of Katrina. Pretty much the city of New Orleans was a collapsed society. Domesticated animals ran wild through out and around the city. As you see in the picture, the bull is also wild with the dogs. The wolf comment is moronic. Any wolf, coyote, cogar, ect.. would of been shot doing the same act. If not for the destruction of property, the saftey of humans. That is why they shot the feral beasts (feral mean once domesticated then becoming wild as stated before). Wolves taking down a deer in the wild is nature. Pitbulls acting wild taking down a bull near humans causes fear. Humans act on fear and take down the threat. What gives you the right to judge the actions of the people involved in the first place? Witnessing the photos from a safe place such as your mother's basement after the fact gives you no persective of the incident. Remember, Katrina devestated a whole coast line. Human lives is the number one concern during this situation, not the dogs. The comparing humans to these dogs in the same circumstance is also idiotic. Starving, we will kill lower beast but never with this much violence. Some people will even find alternatives. Hence, why we are omnivores. What a fool to think that the photogapher was standing witnessing the event with out a escape route. The dogs were too focused on the kill to engage the photographer and at a great distance at that.

Please use statics and not your heart. I know not all pitbulls are violent, but I would never own one. "Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." With information like this, it is no wonder why the outcome came as it did. Next time you encounter an incident like this, please feel free to open a can of Alpo and call the cute little puppies over.

I may be late to the feedback, but I have a good deal of experience and knowledge to contribute on the bulldog breed.

Point 1. Originally the bulldogs were bred exactly for this purpose. They were called butcher's dogs then. What the dogs are attempting to do is to get a nose hold on the bull which would hold the bull still long enough for the butcher to cut his throat.

Point 2. All dogs are biters unless they are dominated by their owners or caretakers. If they are allowed to dominate their owners they will wind up biting somebody.

Point 3. Bulldogs have earned a reputation as biters because of their irresponsible owners. The type of person it takes to put to lovable pets into a ring or pit to fight to the death is not likely the kind of person who will properly care for or even care to understand why a dog could become dangerous even to their owners. They would see aggressive behavior as a plus.

Point 4. Humanizing animals leads to all kinds of problems in our social environment where animals are included as part of our households. Please watch Ceasar Milan on the National Geographic channel or read one of his books, the latest being 'Be the Pack Leader'

Point 5. There have been many cases of dogs being shot in the head and not only surviving but continuing their excited behavior. Similar to the seritonin effect on the human brain, dogs experience a chemical event which limits the pain sensors when they are this excited.

Yes this looks very bad to the socialite's very civilized eye. However, in the animal world, this is normal and natural The bull or bovine is a natural prey for canine and feline animals. These may be domesticated animals, but they are animals and easily revert back to the wild given circumstances like the disaster of hurricane Katrina. It would have been extremely dangerous for any human to try to intervene in this situation, but after the animals were separated the dogs could have been brought back under human control quite easily. Ceasar calls this heightened state of excitement in dogs a red zone. Its very difficult to bring dogs back into a controllable condition until they are separated from whatever has brought them to this state. It was entirely unnecessary to kill them though.

My dad used this kind of dogs to do exactly what these dogs are doing to chase down and capture wild cattle in Oklahoma 40 years ago when I was a kid.

I see nothing wrong with this article and pictures, until the end, when the soliders shot the animals. As someone above said, no one would have stepped in at all if it would have been wolves/coyotes and a deer. Instead of shooting the dogs, why not just feed them?!

As for the APBT haters out here, I disrespectfully have to disagree with your opinions. As a long time voluenteer at countless humane societies, rescues, and zoos; not to mention my years of working in my Vet's office, I have never once been bitten by an American Pit Bull Terrier. OTOH, I have been bit over 30 times, by various breeds, including chihuahuas, poms, poodles, schnauzers, border collies, labs, goldens, boxers, cocker spaniels, one GSD, and one unfortunate bite from my breed of choice, a Doberman.

I currently am owned by 1 cat and 3 canines, including a mini schnauzer, a beagle, and a pit bull mix. Out of all of them, my pit mix is by far the most docile, gentle and social. I fostered him and 3 other litter mates, and found them great homes. He has been extensively socialized since a young age, and now at the ripe age of 9yrs old, he has NO bite record at all. He is an avid agility dog, as well as has his CGC, and we work with our local school district to show children the proper way to interact with animals.

Please also remember there is a distinct difference between animal agression and human agression.

Lastly, there were COUNTLESS bites and issues with the various collies on the set of Lassie, but never once any problems with the APBT named Petey from The Little Rascal's.

Sgt Stubby was also the United States first decorated war dog, and he was an APBT.

Please refer to Diane Jessup's site, for more info, on pit bulls and their working applications in today's society.

To Corey in Indy....


You my "friend" are an idiot! APBT's have NO such thing as "lock jaw". IT'S A MYTH, a HOAX and retarded at best. Also, if you know ANYTHING about the history of APBT, you would know your statement about cropped/docked animals is false as well. If you look at pictures of pit fighting APBT's, you will see they for the most part ALL were natural. The ears are left intact to give the other dog a non lethal target, and the tail of an APBT is NEVER docked unless injury dictates it.

You would be wise to retract that statement and never remember the phrase "lock jaw" in conjunction with pit bulls again.

To Gwen in Chesapeake....

Since when do T-bone steaks come ready to pick off a tree? It's funny that you call Katie a stupid dummy head, when what she said is not as ignorant as your statement that humans are gatherers. We are DUAL, meaning HUNTERS and GATHERERS! If you choose to berate someone for something to disagree with, make sure you back it up with fact, not nonsensical ramblings in order to make yourself seem smarter.

To George in the USA...

I have to yet again disagree. The national database for dog bite stats is as best flawed. You can not expect the average citizen of the US to be able to distinguish between breeds of dogs. Hell, most liscensed Animal Control officers and Vets can't even do it, and their jobs are animals! A dog bite happens and if you see a stocky headed med build dog of any color, the first thing people think of is pit bull! There are OVER 25 purebred dog breeds (not to mention COUNTLESS) mixed breeds that routinely get mistaken for a APBT. Some of those are rare, but most are fairly common in the USA.

Do me a favor and see what you come up with!

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

http://members.aol.com/radogz/find.html

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Findthebull/findpitbull_v3.html

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You all are a bunch of fucking idiots everybody knows that a dogs beheavor is a resolt of the owners traning and treating it.I can't belive none of you "experts" knew this.

we know that don't lock it a term use to let people know how strong the jaws of the pits is stupid ass

I saw those pics several years before Katrina. In the set I saw the dogs were purposefully set to attack the cow just to see what would happen.

Owning any kind of animal means responsability. Unfortunately, people forget that breeds such as pitbulls or in fact any other could get dangerous in some situations for other living creatures and doh... humans. If you get a pitbull, you must have a lot of experience in dealing with dogs. It's good guard dog especially for children of which it becomes strongly attached, but if it feels threatened or/and has been traumatised during his life (some people call that training), it will attack if stressed, and therefore we see tragedies that are unfortunately very frequent lately. I for one would not buy a pitbull if would not have the time or the knowledge to raise it correctly. Outlawying the breed could be a possible solution, the other that I can think of would be psychiatric evaluation of future owners BEFORE they get one 😛

I am so tired of people talking crap about these awesome dogs. Its all about the he said she said bull. Your momma said these dogs are bad and actually you have no clue what the hell your talking about. Why don't you guys who have such a huge problem with these dogs do some research and get educated so u can reeducate your momma so she stops telling people crap lies. IGNORANCE IS CONTAGIOUS. So im going to reeducate you guys. GO to http://www.atts.org and look for your self. Look up American pitbull terrier and see there percentage it is 84 PERCENT PASS RATE. That is huge. Of 586 pitbulls tested 494 passed that 92 failed pitbull tests. For some of you saying thats alot of bad pitbulls, WRONG. Lassie, remember sweet adorable lassie who saved just about everybody. Well in the same test they had 824 collies and 654 passed thats 170 dogs failed (79 percent). So according to this collies temperament it is substantially worse. So i could say that collies are horrible dogs, wrong. Collies aren't horrible dogs they are great dogs and so are Pitbulls. These are real test to real dogs. Now some people say well Pitbulls attack and disfigure people, yes that is true. I can also say the adorable, child loving, loyal, friendly Labrador Retrievers that have received a golden ticket from society that keeps them out of just about any problem they get in to. Well if you Google Labrador Retriever attacks (i know i shouldn't of even Googled it i probably wouldn't of found any results.) Well i was wrong i found alot of attacks made by Labrador Retrievers many were fatal attacks. I asked myself why would such a lovable dog that scored a 91 percent on that temperament test attack and disfigure people just like pitbulls hhhmmmmmmmmmmm. And then it hit me, on almost every single attack made by a lab the owner who trained the dog was either an ex convict or some freak wanting to fight dogs training a dog. Could this be the same reason pitbulls attack other dogs and people. I believe that if a pitbull attacks a person the owner should be 100 percent responsible for the attack. I own 3 pitbulls and they care about people soooo much and are the most loyal dog i have ever meet. PLLEEEEEESSE guys give the pitbull a chance and dont spread more rumors and more he said she said.

True story.

My cousin in England, is middle-aged, mild in manner, 5-ft 7-in and weighs 160-lb.

He was taking his small West Highland Terrier for a walk when he was approached by a
very large biker with extensive tattoos and wearing in leathers, wrap-around sunglasses
and a bandana headscarf. In addition, the man was accompanied by a large slavering pit-bull terrier with a spiked collar pulling strongly on a heavy leash. Adding to this the biker obviously had something to say to my cousin. A nightmare opened up.

"'ere," said the biker, "your dog could kill my dog"

Flustered and amazed at the statement my cousin stuttered a non-committal reply
"I don't think he would"

"Yes, 'e could" came the reply "'e could get caught in my dog's throat!"

So now you know how dangerous small dogs can be. Perhaps they should be banned.

Tim Moore

So what if those dogs were hungry. Look at what they were able to do to a bull. Just imagine what the what have done to a HUMAN BEING. Those soldiers did the right thing. They were there to protect civilians and that is what they did. Are you people idiots? It is easy for all you jerks to hide behind your monitor and make stupid comments defending the dogs because you were not there and do not realize that life and death decisions had to be made every day. The number one priority was defending human lives. Offer them food?!? I'd love to meet the pillow biting tool that made this comment. Why dont you try getting your head out of your ass. That goes for all of you tools. Get your priorities straight!

this is very cruel....and u seen what happened to the dogs!

Any animal would struggle against a tag team attack from 2 pitbulls. Pitbulls are very strong dogs and their grip when they bite is like a vice.

Whether a Bull, Horse or even a Lion would find this attack a tough fight especially if the pitbulls are defending their territory or fighting to eat.

http://www.obediencetrainingfordogsblog.com/most-dangerous-dogs/list-of-the-top-10-most-dangerous-dogs

to gwen we are hunter gathers first of all and if we were starving we would have killed the bull and ate him....predetors vs pray dumb ass

It is incredible that people are defending these animals with no fear of attacking a bull. The pit bull nutters are unbelievable. Animals that are that desperate, hungry, fearless, and strong represent and TREMENDOUS threat to people in the area, but just because its a pit bull, people are saying I bet if it was labradors...blah...blah...blah. Heck yeah, if labradors were attacking a BULL like that kill them. We don't want them around. Do you all have screws loose?

Chuckybrewster is wrong and ignorant and needs to educate himself.
The ATTS is a test designed to identify suitable dog candidates for bite work training. The test is designed to find dog candidates that are both bold and able to maintain focus in strange situations.

It was never designed to screen for suitability for companion animals. It significantly does not test for reactivity to dogs and other animals which is why pit avocates like it, why the dogs do well, and why it is meaningless.

Those who said bad things about pit bull on the first comment are in lalala land My grandfather was attacked by a GOLDEN RETRIEVER yes he did go to the hospital and needed stitches. Don't you know is the person not the breed.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have personally built a catapult to mimic the above picture second to the left. It is very hard to design such a catapult and have many months invested. However, the results have been spectacular. I will try to post pictures of the many test launches I have. I have been able to recently launch a pit bull a good 125 yards. Do not fret, I too place .45 caliber rounds into each pit's head at 850 feet per second after each launch. I have become very efficient in controlling this breed's population. The pups are the most aerodynamic and you should see them fly. Sometimes it is very hard to find some of the test subjects after launch. So if you see a little pit bull pup worming around on four broken legs, then stop by and say hi.

@Richard
How come so many people are so ready to put their own children at stake in defence of these animals? And don