The Oil Computer

ok, ive just built myself a plexiglass case, been getting the leaks out.. then im modifying my plan and am going to run the pumped mineral oil out and into a very modified dehumidifier, just on the cold core obviously. This should make it supercooled mineral oil :cheese:

Wow, kenny, that is an awesome idea. The cooling core in a dehumidifier is a reallly cheap way to get things cold. If you dont have any objections, I'd like to try this one out myself as well!

the trick right now is.. if you know how a dehumidifier works.. it has a hot and cold coil. For my purpose the hot coil serves as a hinderence so I am going to try and make this site not work... dunno how yet, but its not attatched to the cold side from the copper piping...

go ahead and try it, if you make any breakthroughs remember it was my idea lol.. also share your results

if you go using a refrigerant and heat exchanger to cool your oil, the oil is gonna become a hell of a lot more viscous, and all the noise of the refrigerator pump, and pumping the cold thick oil!

If you use a water cooled system for the CPU and GPU and such... it is using distilled water (PURE H20) which does not conduct electricity. The ions in the water or liquid is what conducts the electricity. If you have your computer submerged in pure h20 or have a water cooling system, the ideal temperature to have is about 20-30 celcius. Overlockers love this because they are now able to run the processor and GPU at speeds not recommended by the manufacturer, because if you didnt have a water cooled system the parts would overheat and die. If your system is cooler it will allow you to run your parts harder since the heat won't be an issue for destroying them.

in answer to the guy about putting your pc in a deepfreeze, you will have to let your pc warm up before it will work properly, if all the parts are cold they wont function right (your talking like -23 celcius) and if you acumulate frost on the parts, you will most likely destroy them when it melts, don't be a fool and ask retarded questions ok?

I think you answered questions from the first page... Anyone have any luck on case ideas? Bad karma did you try my idea?

Nah, not yet. Hopefully soon, though. About once a month a check Craigslist for dehumidifiers and such, almost got lucky a couple of weeks ago, but it was taken before I called the guy.

I'll keep you all posted tho.

I havent worked on mine in awhile.. had the plexiglass case built with one or two minor leaks.. using water to test for the leaks. So I have to fix that first, and my dehumidifier I accidently broke.. I realise it wasnt a good idea to try and seperate the cold and hot sides.. Theres a big pipe that carries all the gas/liquid inside, and it appears thats the only tube needed.. theres a little, what appears to be a wire on the other side, which turns out is just a skinny pipe (my guess a safety overload sortve thing) and I had cut that in attempt to seperate and had leaks and even though patching it back up.. it no longer works, big surprise. The reason why I wanted to seperate it in the first place was to make it flatter, since its sortve bulky. If you try doing what i did, you arent really allowed much room to flatten it because of the shortness of the pipe, I did however bend the big one so that instead of being located above the resivour, it was right on top of it, in a compact little form. Hopefully this is helpful in your design, and maybe will spark you to get working on it lol.

I work in the high-voltage power industry and can confirm that oil is one of the best insulators around. it is used in the largest transformers in the world insulating up to 1 million Volts. It is used because of its insulating and cooling abilities.
Therefore, direct-immersion oil computers ist the best cooling method.
For best result use low-viscosity oil, it moves more easily by own convection. Do not use motoroil, it is too thick and not clean enough though it would work. Ask your utility for a liter or so transformer oil. It can be aggressive to your skin and eyes so be careful!
A friendlier choice is veg oil. The cheapest will do. It also is a good insulator. However, veg oils are not as stable as mineral oils. It is a good idea to change it after 6-12 months.
Dont put the computer into liquid CO2. It is so cold it can crack plastic parts and IC housing. And you definitely can't reach superconductivity, this occurs at -190 C or so and would destroy your circuitry.

actually, i cant remember where i saw it, but some techies deep froze a laptop. the results turned out to be that it ran up to 25% faster, but they said not to atempt it, because frost will form on all your hardware creating condensation, creating shorts... and you know wat happens after that

Pastryhat, an interesting note. As most tech-savvy people will know the use of coolants for superconducting hardware is pretty common, especially in the field of radioastronomy; the aerial pickups and some of the computing gear is bathed in liquid nitrogen or liquid helium to increase both run speed and the sensitivity of the equipment to small signals that might be lost in resistance static.

A point brilliantly used in the end of the Bond movie "GoldenEye" when that Russian hacker though he was sooooo cool . . . Then the tanks burst and he _was_ 😊

Speaking of fictional approaches, has anyone else read the Ben Bova short story "Lowering The River"? An electronics engineer is put under a Management Facilitation Acountant who once read a copy of "wired" magazine and tells him to develop a room-temperature superconductor for the company in, say, a week or two. ( Deadlines are a prime management tool and always produce results.) The engineer does - By a rather lateral method.

If you guys want a bigger project you should look into an effective way at cooling the mineral oil before it goes into the case, I had talked about using a dehumidifier, since it has a cooling part on it and is easy to get.. however quite noisy so maybe something quieter?

Is this a page for 10 year olds?
How stupid do you have to be to think oil is conductive?
Sure this Idea works and has benn done multiple times! You would have to take off all fans you moron! 4godsSake just google!
jeeeez...!

thats constructive...

@The Dude: STFU.

Regarding pre-cooling the oil, I am going to set up a new system using the cooling pipes of a minifridge . I will have a high-flow aquatic pump moving the oil from the PC tank to a separate reservoir with the cooling pipes in it, and then back into the PC again. It should yield a significant temperature drop.

um hello if you read the forum i already did that... a mini fridge might not work as well as when i used the dehumidifier since a fridge's cooling component isn't on 24/7 just short bursts..

No need to get your panties in a bunch there, Kenny. The cooling apparatus in a mini fridge is on as long as the temperature sensor senses it needs to cool things. Once it reaches the desired temp it shuts the pump down until it rises above that temp again. Any oil-cooled PC would produce heat as long as it is on, meaning, presumably, the pump would stay active until it was manually shut down (usually with the computer). The only concern is that mini fridge pumps aren't designed to be running 24 hours a day, they need to cool down on occasion, which is why the PC would need to be shut down when not in use, or otherwise design the apparatus in a way that the pump would shut down when the PC was in stand-by or some other low CPU usage mode.

I, too, have considered using the cold plate from a dehumidifier, but the problem is that while one end of that cold plate produces 40ish degree coldness, the other end gets incredibly warm in doing so. You would have to find some way to effectively radiate that heat without transferring any back into the oil, which is somewhat hard to do because the cold plate would presumably be submerged in the oil and thus so would the hot side. Even if it could be designed an a way that this was not so, you still have to deal with the fact that the small cooling plate would likely not be efficient enough to dissipate more heat energy than was being generated by the PC components, whereas a mini-fridge would likely have the ability to subtract more heat energy from the oil and hopefully lower the equilibrium temperature of the oil significantly enough to make it worth it.

On that note, have you given any thought to some type of air-cooled system, where the oil is run through some type of device that drops its temperature down to ambient? I get that its not the most effective thing in the world, but I'd rather have my PC running at room temperature than 140 degrees...

http://www.flixxy.com/mineral-oil-cooled-computer.htm


'Nuff said.

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Power and distribution transformers are oil cooled rather than fan cooled. The oil is also a constantly replaced insulation material.

As a deaf IT person who did electrical engineering this makes perfect sense. I would use ultra pure transformer mineral oil though.

For safety I would recommend a thermal fuse in the PSU that will trip at a temperature below the flash point of the oil.

The fans in conventional computers will destroy your hearing and are a bigger safety concern.

Hint: suspend the MB in the oil tank and have rear connectors at the top.

My question is what cools the oil? For example, you put oil in a pan on a stove and turn the burner on low. Wouldn't after awhile that oil heat up? So if the computer was constantly running, like a server, wouldn't the oil start heating up? I don't see this as being practical at all. I think a liquid cooling system is a much more practical thing to use. It's just a cool thing to look at, but I don't think its worth it.

You would have to do a similar idea to liquid cooling in having a radiator to cool it down otherwise just from being open to the atmosphere and room temp it might cool the oil down as well. The idea I had before was using a dehumidifier to supercool it.

Would lavender oil work??, sure would smell better, aromatherapy and quiet pc.

i am a truck drier and work on computers as a hobby, instead of a dehumidifer, has anyone tried a cooling unit from a 12volt cooler the one i have in my truck is a colman 12volt cooler runs about $70.00 usd the cooling unit itself looks like a large heat sink built into the lid. the top gets hot but the bottum getts down to 34degree 0r so! mounting it out side the oil would be the best aproch and using copper flex tubing woven throw the cooling side and a small pump to circulate the oil, and as far as it getting to cold couldent you power th 12volt cooler and pump off the mother board fan plug it would have a temp sensor already and turnn them on and off at the apropreate times and levels! and i have sean several postings as well on frezing the board as well the used a silicone caulking to prevent condensation build up in the circuits!

Well even if that worked, may as well just go liquid cooling. I run normal liquid cooling and i get around 28 degrees or so. Not trying to ruin your idea though. Im not sure if itd work because im not sure if those kind of coolers have a high enough rate of heat transfer. Yes it may get cold/cool but the rate of heat transfer im sure would be too low and itd just overheat.

This is old news, and true!
There are already retail oil PC's

Even a mix of oil, water and electricty I believe in the highest end model.
Which is stupid if you ask me...

An Air cooled system is cheaper and can produce the same results, just with an audible humm.
Approx 45-50dba on each High speed fan these days

These are just designed to run silently and/or OC.

I agree. The mineral oil idea and fridge ideas are interesting but most air cooled systems and a good liquid cooling system can definitely out perform them without the weight or mess

Thanks P100 and go to work overclocking :D

this works grate i did it the downside is if you spill it you will have a hard time getting the oil out of your carpet.