Holy Father’s Last Rites Declaration

There is quite a bit of info here:

http://www.vatican.va/gpII/documents/index_en.htm

Some of it is in Italian, suprise.

I suspect your original material is a hoax, as a slam against Bush, because I seriously doubt that the Vatician weighs the USA in their decisions. Remember, PJP was against the USA invasion of Iraq.

The Pope did at time seem to back socialism but he did not. Nor did he back capitalism. He did state that there were seeds of truth in both. I'm pretty sure this is a hoax, someone trying to get thier own opinion seen as more important then it is by passing it off as being said by someone else who is in the news. Happens alot.

Speaking as a sometime professional translator, I think if it was written by the Pope, it's a pretty terrible translation. Though I didn't always agree with him, John Paul II did usually write and speak quite coherently. Also, the date given must be when it was released, not when JP II said or wrote it, since April 2, 2005 was the day he died, and I very much doubt that he could have said anything that day.

To the extent that it isn't unintelligible, though, the statement is completely consistent with many public statements and writings of the late Pope. He was a very consistent critic of both capitalism and communism, as well as nationalism.

I've noticed that in all the obitiuaries of him recently in the mainstream U.S. media, there has been scant mention of his consistent condemnations of war (and the death penalty) and capitalism, and his insistence on helping the poor. He was very conservative in other areas, but downright radical in these.

If you select a portion of the text (ten or more words), and google it with quotes around it, the vatican website fails to show up, no matter which selection of words you use.

All that show up is websites with it posted, and no vatican source.

And there is no chance in hell (heh heh) that the pope would cut down the church with his final words, ater going through life supporting it, because then he'd miss his chance at 'getting into heaven' for blasphemy.

I got an Email from JP2 a week before he died. He said: "Hairy, it's okay to forget to Jelly, but never forget to Jam". Words to live by

It must be jelly, 'cause jam don't shake like that.

After the fall of Communism, JPII gave several speeches warning of the potential evils of capitalism. He also opposed the Second Gulf War, although the media seemed to downplay it.

Let us not forget that the greatest socilaist thinker of all time was Jesus Christ - He urged people to toss aside possesions and work for the community, rewarded those who abandonded their families for serving the church, and decried wealth for wealth's sake.

And in the modern church, the Vatican is beatifying the most socialist of all the cardinals of South America, one step one the ladder to sainthood.

It's like being an atheist in America - You jump on the exact opposite directed train to everyone else as a protest move if you feel strongly about something.

"unforgiveable". I'm far from perfect, but if I were translating/transcribing something from the pope I'd make sure to use spell check.

Good point toby. We have come a long way from transcription by ranks of monks with quills one would hope.

As for Papal infallibility, this issue dates back to the First Diet of Worms, a council of cardinals that sat upon many ecclesiastical troubles prior to the Renaissance. They decided that the Pope is infallible and is always right. The sitting Pope whose name escapes claimed they were wrong and that the Papacy was able to make mistakes; Making Christainity again the perpetrator of The Cretan Paradox.

I believe this is what the Pope meant by secret societies:

http://www.planetquo.com/Illuminati-Design-And-Symbolism-In-The-Israeli-Supreme-Court-Building
http://media.putfile.com/ceptum