United Nuclear is selling a Hydrogen Fuel System Kit that will allow you to convert your existing car to run on hydrogen. It's not for sale just yet, but they promise that they're "currently fleet-testing our systems and are in final preparation for sales to the general public." If they ever do manage to perfect this, I'd buy it. I'd love to never have to worry about going to a gas station again. But I have serious doubts that United Nuclear really does have a system like this nearly ready for sale to the public. 
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If I Released 20 litres of Hydrogen into a workshop and reached into my pocket took out a box of matches an lit one I would still be here as hydrogen would be forced being the lightest material known to man to the top or ceiling instantly any small cracks etc and it would have escaped to the atmosphere with in 30 seconds NO BOOM i'm sorry but the petrol would burn for some time producing a noctious gas and smell of petrol.
Now just how do you convert a petrol engine to run on hydrogen -- quite easily --- Weather you have a cylinder of hydrogen or a Water to hydrogen/oxygen converter the same thing operates.
The Petrol Engine. Because of the slow burning speed of petrol so that a spark will detonate the petrol gas in the cylinder under compression ths spark has to be set at about 12mm/ 1/2in before TDC to allow the motor to run. Now remember the facts of Hydrogen - the fastest butning substance in the world -- needs the compressed gas to be ignighted just before TDC or at TDC - remember Hydrogen IMPLODES and produces Water in the cylinder head. Now comes the clever part. Fact Water Boils at 100deg C (a small diversion, if you have a small compressor to blow your tyres up you will find the input will be cool but the output hose will be warm to very hot - no not friction - the temperature enflicted by compression up to 450deg C. How ever let us return to the petrol engine of the common car the compression at about 8 to 9 to 1 will produce up to 300deg C. water boils @ 100deg C so we have instant steem and more but the steem bufs will tell you super heated steem is about 250deg C. and we have a compressed temp of about 350deg C. we have lift off with super heated steam. Now to those who want to run both petrol and hydrogen you have a timing problem which would have to be able to be changed at the same time as you change over. To get the Hydrogen delivered economically use the Joe-Cell system it works with less than 4 amps at 12 volts at start and will generate hydrogen to power a V8 4 litre engine with ease (130km on a cup and a half of water as described in one of the videos.) have yet to test it but it runs the honda 11hp genset 15amps at 240v over night on a cup of water. By the way the energy from hydrogen will deliver up to 60% more than petrol and leave no polutants other than water. Try it out and Join Us with free Fuel.
Learn Charybdis in Hell on Mon Jun 11, 2007. The Joe-Cell for Charybdis in Hell should do some research and come up to the level of 2007 not year 1807. Now he asks why the governments don't go for it, very simple they would get no money from its use no excise/taxes on water.
The oil companys control many governments around the world - they even have wars about Oil.
By the way the Joe-Cell is a very simple system utilising 316/7 stainless steel tubing and from 1.6mm to 4mm wall thickness the tubes
ranging from center pin at 12mm to 14mm and spaced evenly tubes 10mm larger in say 5,7,9,11 steps (12mm +, 22mm -, 32mm +, 42mm -, 52mm +, 62mm -, 72mm +, 82mm -,)
the interesting thing about this process is quite simple. Let us put the system together using air as the electrolite and the tubes are each insulated from each other and we connect say the negative from a battery to the center and the positive to the outer tube. you have now charged a capacitor. now whot would happen if we measured the voltage at the intermediate tubes we would have an equal voltage drop on each plate from the center to the outer tube showing an actual capacitor.
Now let us put some water in the mix and cover the plates of the capacitor and again apply the power to the center pin and the outer tube as before after a few seconds the current will drop to below 4 amps and from then on always stay below 4 amps. you will notice that a froth has formed on the top of the capasitor this gas is hydrogen and oxygen. how does it happen well if you understand that water and it has to be the purest you can get it will work , water is an insulator so whot is happening can be explained this simple.
The capacitor is subjected to a catistropic failure as the stainless steel plates cannot change like the foil wrapped capacitors in the old TV sets of yester year that used to fail caused a gooy confetty to be spread inside the TV case.
This failue in the capacitor converts water to hydrogen and oxygen. So with this free almost hydrogen being delivered to the intake of the engine you have hydrogen system powered energy.
The cylinders placed in a glass beaker which a large lid can be arrached with an outlet tube and a screw plug to top up the water level and a tube fed into the air cleaner towards the air flow valve, timing set petrol turned off, turn the key on for 5 seconds then start the engine it will run now re adjust the timing by ear you will hear the engine run sweetly lock it up, give it a few revs, watch the glass with the warer and plates they will make the water very fizzy and when it is running dis connect the battery from the cell and provided the engine is 3,500 rpm or more the engine will runwith out power to the cell - so take that for a spare alternator or two. (do a Google on Joe-Cell and get up to date and physically make one instead of pulling things to pieces with out even leaving your keyboard and computer.)
Thank you for allowing me to be critical of you who have not even tried to make it work, like the bee cannot fly and because nobody told it,it couldn't, it flys, and the 2stroke motor, those polutant motors theoretically will not work, so when you cut the lawn or hear a chain saw running tell them it is not possible, I dare you to try this out instead of waisting energy critisising what you are lacking in knowledge.
One reasearch the subject as I did 35 years ago, but it took 3 years on the internet to find out how it works, and like I was told change your idea's and make one and you will be surprised how it works. I will give you any assistance you may need, just ask me if you dare.
I'll put this in caps since people seem to miss it.
NOBODY IS SAYING HYDROGEN VEHICLES DON'T/WON'T WORK!
There, was that clear enough for you?
The argument is that it isn't efficient enough to beat the cost of oil. Will it ever? Probably. Is it worth pursuing? Definitely. But right now hydrogen powered vehicles (real ones, not the fantasy ones that people keep harping on) are just more expensive to own and operate. You haven't changed that fact with your post, sorry.
Oh! When I was in school (Late 70's), we studies alternative energy sources. I read numerous articles on hydorgen powered vehicles... We even saw a movie showing then driving a hydrogen powered Gremlin. So hydrogen powered cars work, but do they last???
I built a vapor carb and drove my old Limo at 65 miles per hour . They said I was crazy but I got the last laugh last . they say it takes a lot of power to make Hydrogen then I will ask this why do they calim to making it in glass jar by using 12 volts dc . Now some one is not telling the truth .
Let us not fool each other but try to help each other so we can beet the high price of gas and cause a revolt on the oil companies
Web site: http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/storage/metal_hydrides.html
the second is hydrogen can run in gasoline engines with some modification.
Web site:
http://www.omnitekcorp.com/hydrogen.htm
While this kit may be fake it does not mean the idea is. However unless you find a clean source for the hydrogen it makes no difference.
Well yes the formation of hydrogen in certain metals is already concieved costs money to produce and would be as or more expensive than petrol.
If you realise that water can be carried and obtained in 500ml or 1 litre containers and drank if the driver is thirsty then it is the right product to be using, and what is the result of the use in the car after it has been converted to hydrogen and oxygen -- WATER so we have lost nothing.
A few more of you must stop theorising and do some practical experiments -- you will be very excited with the results and you should put your results here for all to see.
As I have explained the conversion in the car and how it works (the Steem Engine Principal)
It is not difficult so why complicate the proceedure make a container with a lid Glass Jar and place 4 plates in the jar the centre one connect to the negative of 12 volts the outer to the positive have the plates (tubes) insulated from each other. then fill the jar to about 1" of the top and about 3" above the plates 6" high in a 12" glass jar (plastic is no good it shrinks/and can expand when you decillerate.)
You have hydrogen oxygen gas flow at atmosphere pressure. fit a connection to the lid of the jar so a tube abour 3/8 id and connect it to the inlet between the air cleaner and the air butterfly make it a good seal as we need the engine vaccume to make it work well.
Place a positive and negative terminal in the lid, the plates are connected to the under side with wire, and add a wire to the negative to the engine or battery negative. the positive to the positive of the battery -- leave for about 20 seconds the fist time then try and start the engine it should run now rev the engine and see the additional gas being generated with the vaccuume now being applied by the engine.
Walla the thing works -- provided no leaks etc.
Let me know how you go, mine took a little tweeking with the spark -- buggar the oil companies.
Now adjust the spark of the engine to Top Dead Center mount the jar so it wil not fall out or over.
Make sure the petrol line is disconnected at the carby or PI rail try and run the car to remove all petrol and seal the engine end.
Just a call up to let you know some more miths with HYDROGEN
1. It is the lightest nateral element known to man
2. Unlike all other material if burnt or detonated it IMPLODES and leaves a residue of WATER
3. If it is stored in a cylinder like say oxygen and had to be refilled when empty you would be carrying a HYDROGEN BOMB. Just get a small cylinder of Hydrogen and place a 1/4 stick of dynamite and a 4ft slow burn fuse and detinator to the side of the cylinder of Hydrogen. now set the fuse and get the hell out of there. The resulting Bang will be heard 10miles away. however back at the detination point all the ground, trees and loose objects up to 500yards will show that the forces are indeed travelling to the detination point, the trees nearby will loose their leaves movable objects moved to the detination point and the ground was bare for 200yards around the detination point.
NO Hydrogen must be generated on demand or as required not stored in a cylinder.
Christopher Cole you have made a point about capacitors -- well prove me wrong I dare you.
Tom in Maryland / Walter M Green III /John Swansey in Wako
Thanks but read up on the subject goto http://www.youtube.com and search for Hydrogen generators, hydrogen powered cars,hydrogen cells, and Free Power. When I first started this research there was about 50 entries now ther are over 5000 entries. See actual film clips of sucesses.
Michael L in Houston
Just about what we would have expected another terrorist bom method - once started you cannot stop it - it has to complete its own cycle.
M Power in Sydney
well if you must contact me try .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) you might get a surprise - leave your phone no in the Email
and my sola pannels 16 of them produce about 12.5 ah during daylight hrs and turn the meter backwards but save me about A$750.00 per Quarter or about $3000.00 per annum its the way to go. I need another 2 units to get 15amps input. My inverter is a marine 15amp unit.
The myths about running a car on Hydrogen.
Yes pure Hydrogen produces the best power and performance in your converted petrol engine, but the bomb threat worries me with the Hydrogen Cylinders in an accident.
However if we use Browns Gas - The gas generated using say Joe Cell or similar then we have the right mix of Hydrogen and Qxygen as reqquired by the engine. the water is by far the safest fuel to carry HYDROGEN and it will also quench your thirst.
Now Let us concieve the thought of running your car on Browns gas generated as required no danger of implosion here.
Just how does the engine run using Hydrogen --
Not many people really know some say the same as petrol -- WRONG
You must do more research into the internal combustion engine to get the resulting information -- firstly the internal combustion engine has friction all through the engine which generates heat.
Now connect an electric motor to a say 4 cylinder water cooled petrol engine and run the electric motor for about 2 hours no petrol or ignition the engine will attain a working temperature which will show the temperature about 2/3 that of normal working with petrol. HOW COME THE HIGH TEMPERATURE.
Water boils at 100deg Celcius
The compression of air in the cylinders will exceed 350 deg C snd with petrol can get to 500 deg C
Now we know that when hydrogen is burnt water is formed by creating a vaccume no oxygen and no Hydrogen gasses.
The piston in the near Top Dead Center of the power stroke we ignight the hydrogen -- it forms WATER and accellerates the piston to the Top Dead Center creating more compression, but the temperature is abve boiling point and we have STEAM Superheated Steam.
The Steam forces the piston down to repeat the cycle of a 4 stroke engine.
Now the engine temperature will be less than the petrol engine in normal working conditions but with HYDROGEN it actually runs cooler -- no hydrogen will burn outside the piston chamber as it was all burnt in the chamber, the exhaust will get hot due to the super heated Steam being expelled and the exhaust output will be unpoluting water.
Browns Gas Produces up to 80% more power than Petrol when used in a Petrol Engine.
Will it last Just ask an old Steam Engineer how long the steam pistons last on a steam engine.
There is no carbon to wear the bore the piston runs cooler than petrol and no need for fancy stainless steel valves, most pistons today are aluminium alloy no rust the bore is lubricated by the piston rings.
Read More and observe the things arround you.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Happy Hydrogen Users (Browns Gas) 2008
It works well and you have another deisel powered steem Engine running, or petrol powered steem engine. and it works very well.
Well to get the answer have a look on youtube.com hydrogen cars -- deisel runs very well with a joe cell producing hydrogen on demand and will give you up to 70% more power and up to 50% more MPG or k/litre. So this can be added to a normal petrol car and it will improve your MPG or L/100km -- so lets see some of you out there make one or 2 Joe Cell's and install them in your cars -- there are now a couple of cars in Adelaide with magnetic stickers saying :-
"Powered by Water"
Your next step is to run the engine on Browns Gas the gas generated by the Joe Cell only.
Well I have tried Termi-Mesh ( the same as used to keep out whire ants ) and cooking strainers. Well It started out ok but soon the plates shorted from junk in the water.
I had to put a container 60 litres on the bench make up a joe cell and insert it for several days -- The water had an orange brown crust on the top - and a crey to black mullick floating around the bottom -- I let it stand for 2 days after the power was switched off -- (still around 1 amp when running ) and syphoned from the center about 20 litres of water - it tasted clean and was exceptionally clear. A friend of mine is doing an experiment using sea water and he tells me that his first attempt on about 3 litres the heavy salts settled at the bottom the algy etc floated to the top as a brown scale but the water syphoned from the center was desalinated and drinkable. -- he is now running a 60 litre container and is about 3 days in the run, will know more at the end of the week or early next week how it turns out -- could be a method of desalinisation -- you never know.
Now how about some of you trying out the joe cell unit and putting your results on this media - and others can learn from your mistakes. (boy did I make some in the early days using nylon spacers, nylon does not work as it obsorbes dirty water and shorts out, and up goes the current nearly 20 amps)
By the way the bubbles from the clean water seem more efferessent when rising -- so it works better and harder. - more gas.
The termy-mesh with clean water is still running after 3 days and still about 0.9 amps @ 12volts.
The bubbles are clear and when a match is placed near them they go bang very loud - something tells me that it is working.
Clean water is the answer for good results.
Having said that, the reality seems to be what has been stated NUMEROUS times in these posts: Hydrogen Engines ARE FEASIBLE, but they are still more expnesive to operate than fossil fuels--hence, the real issue is not mecahincal, but financial. Storage may or may not be a problem; frankly I think it's a matter of altitude: gasoline will blow me x feet into the air if the tank explodes, as opposed to a hydrogen tank blowing me x*5 feet into the air (though death is not like altitude, it's more a binary proposition, as I understand it).
As much as I hate the oil companies (and I do), they will ultimately HAVE to be part of the solution from a purely economic and logistical reality perspective. In order for Hydrogen to be viable, then some one will have to be able to mass produce it, THEN he will have to have a massive infrastructure to transport, store, and deliver it to consumers (that is, a well established point of sale network). Right now and for the relevant future, the only industry that has this in place is the oil industry, who can leverage what they have.
I came on to this site because I would like to not be slave to the oil compnies and OPEC. But it seems clear that until the economics (as well as physics) are addressed, any effort to do so will be more of an exercise in principle--one that will required a financial premium to utilize (I'm facing the same problem with wanting off the electrical grid: I can install wind generators, but the benefit will be having power when the lines go down, but I will pay a premium for that luxury).
Of course, I'm not an overly educated person, and I might have completely misunderstood all these posts... Just my opinions, you mileage may vary...
To those who think they know all -- then I suggest the theorizers actually do something positive. Get some SS tube and make a kit or buy the parts and put it together.
Since the last time I made comments a few new changes have happened.
The first and biggest was the changing of the size of the tube from the hydrogen generator to the Engine before the throttle butterfly. our previous tubes have been 1/2" ID and reasonable results were obtained, but increasing the tube to 1" tubing the whole gambet changed. The starting of the engine previously after the 30second wait for the gas to generate is now virtually gone.
With the larger tube the gas in the jar could be seen to be evaporating during the rotation of the engine, and about 3 revolutions it fired up and run. we then found we had to make fine adjustments to the timing and all was fine.
Second feature of the larger tube, it was found that the engine seemed to run more smoother and virtually all knocks etc dissapeared.
The starting was smoother and more reliable, less rotations of the motor and that the plates even when normally just covered with water worked well but we did not realise that with only about 1/4 of the water in the Joe Cell it allowed the engine to run as if it was full with water.
Now how about this no need to call on the service Station/Gas Station any more. 100% water power.
Solution to some of the comments Build a Joe Cell and put a large tube 1" or 25mm from the hydrogen generator and the engine and seal the fuel pipe off.
CAUTION do not put to much water in the JOE CELL the water vapour may quench the spark plugs when you rev the engine, due to the amount of gas being delivered under the Vaccume condition.
More details are being recorded and will be posted when avaliable.
Well it seems that in this world od financial pressure with the USA, Europe, and the rest of the world going into a recession, it is good to look at what people did to survive in the 30's and then during the second World War till 1947. How they made their cars run with a shortage of Petrol. They had coal gas bags carried above the car roofs to provide the fuel to travel, then we saw gas producers fitted to the back of the cars to produce the gas to drive the engine. We also found in the 50's the fitting of water vaper injectors being used to improve the MPG - L/P km well John Swansey is correct. It did improve the process of getting more bang for your buck - less toxic emition and the engine ran more sweeter. the warer converted to steem and gave the engine a boost in power, so less petrol was used.
Transporting Compressed Hydrogen cylinders about is a nasty way of having this fuel on board of a vehicle. Just imagine what would happen if the cylinder erupted and ignited in a car accident.
Hydrogen bombs were called the clean bombs, Because they were detonated about 500 feet above ground and removed all the oxygen from the air covering upto 5 square miles as the danger zone all creaturs who depend upon oxygen would Die as it would take upto 30-60 minutes for the atmosphere to replace the oxygen burnt when the bomb went off. Infrustructure would be in general un harmed and all living creatures would be dead.
The only safe way of carrying hydrogen is by the safe method of water.
Why has this system been kept from the public for so long.
1. The governments around the world have placed Fuel taxes on Petrolium Products, and in some countries this is a substantial form of revenue.
They would have to tax Water for the survival of all living creatures.
FACT all the water that is on the earth today was here when the earth was formed, and will be the same water in another 100,000 years. Less what is lost in space travel.
2 The Question of storing Hydrogen using metals and other substances by Gavin Nelson is a bit to costly to ecomically produce and this is why it will never succeed.
3 The "Joe Cell" and various adeptations is a very good example of how to make the capacitance discharge system work, of having the Hydrogen/Oxigen (browns gas) mixture avaliable on demand in a safe method of transport and use.
4 Most cars require about 13% fuel to air mixture to burn in a 4 stroke engine. Hydrogen/oxygen gas mix would consume about 50% less or 6-7% to air for the same bang in a 4 stroke engine.
5 Most manufacturers of kits have made a very bad decision to transport the hydrogen/oxygen from the generator to the engine. They normally use tubing of inside diameter of around 1/4 inch. This is by far the worst size one could use to make it function properly. The Joe Cell collecting tube should be incerted between the Joe Cell and as close to the intake Butterfly.
First, as to this device, I am not completely sold on it for a couple reasons, but not for the reasons stated in this thread. This device is actually being installed in cars in a town just 9 miles from here, for 650 bucks each, and according to the friends of mine who have had it done, it apparently works. My concern is not about whether it works, but about long term consquences to the engine.
Those who yammer about "But how long can the battery last?" issues are barking up an empty tree. As the engine runs, it is continuously recharging the battery. What do you think the alternator's job is, anyway? If it were not continuously recharging, your automobile would not get more than 10 miles or so, as it would run out of juice to operate your ignition system... let alone lights, stereo, blower fan in your air conditioning/heating system, wipers, electric windows, etc etc. This system uses only a few amps, and does not come close to using more juice than the alternator generates.
Someone made a statement about molecules not being held together by electromagnetism, and that is absolutely false... and pardon me, a statement that was worthy of a couple minutes of laughter.
How much hydrogen and oxygen can be seperated with just a small amount of electricity? Well, this was an experiment we did in science class when I was in 5th grade clear back in 1974. Using an ordinary D size battery, with two wires connected and dipped into a glass of water, we filled a test tube with enough pure hydrogen to blow the tube to kingdom come in about 5 seconds of electrolysis.
My concern with this device is that I do not believe it is hydrogen which is giving the boost. The ratio for Hydrogen and Oxygen to be explosive is roughly 19 parts oxygen to one part hydrogen. Derived from water, you are getting a mere 1 part oxygen to 2 parts hydrogen... nowhere near a flammable ratio.
As such, the only thing I can see it doing is increasing the amount of oxygen in ratio to the gasoline. This WILL increase horsepower, and increase the work output of an engine for a given amount of fuel. It is exactly what is occuring with a nitrous-oxide injection system. Nitrous oxide systems do two things... increase the oxygen level, and cool the fuel/oxygen mixture which makes the vapor more dense, thus getting more fuel/oxygen into each cylinder upon intake.
The same effect to increasing the oxygen can be derived by leaning out the fuel mixture in the carb. Leaning the fuel out will increase the ratio of oxygen to fuel thus achieving the same result as oxygen injection.
HOWEVER, there is a drawback. It is the same reason auto manufacturers do not simply lean the carbs out to get better milage. The reason is it burns much HOTTER, and will likely result in burned out valves and other overheating issues.
Hydrogen cylinders are NOT close to the equivalent of a hydrogen bomb (ROFL) not even close. Not only does it not make a nuclear explosion, it does not even make a good conventional explosion. As stated in the previous post, for hydrogen to be explosive, it must be mixed with 19 times as much oxygen. If you have pure hydrogen in a tank, just to give an example, and opened the valve wide open and stuck a match to it.. there will be no explosion. All that will occur is it will burn at the valve, but the flame cannot follow the gas into the tank because there is no oxygen there. Blow the tank up, and you could get a hydrogen ignition blast.. but only by a delayed ignition that allowed the hydrogen to thoroughly mix with atmospheric oxygen before igniting it.
Place a stick of dynamite under ANY compressed gas tank, even Halon, which will extinguish fires.. and you will get a big blast simply resulting from decompression of the tank. It is a risk factor that is no greater than exists with the millions of propane powered vehicles that are already on the road and have been for decades.