Cranky Media Guy sent me a link to this interesting product:
BIOPRO Chips. BIOPRO describes itself as a leader in the field of EMF harmonization devices. You see, you may not have realized it but, as BIOPRO tells you on their website, virtually all electronic devices emit dangerous electromagnetic frequency (EMF). Phones, microwaves, computers... You name it. So what's a person to do? Simple. Get some BIOPRO Chips. These amazing chips are designed to defend against EMF. Apply some of them to your electronic devices, and EMF emissions will be 'harmonized', thereby rendered harmless. It took me a while before I figured out exactly what these 'chips' were. But then I figured it out. 'Chips' is a euphemism for 'stickers'. BIOPRO is selling little stickers that are supposed to protect people against 'electro-pollution'. Of course, the website contains no explanation of how or why these stickers would work. Obviously that's because these stickers won't do anything but lighten your wallet by a substantial amount.
Comments
Speaking of computer chips in everything, isn't the army considering getting a new standard gun that has a computer guidance-system of some sort? Not that EMP would disable the gun, but perhaps soldiers expecting their granades to blow up after a certain time would get a bad surprise.
I just LOVE the "scientific" gibberish on sites like this one. It's not like I was any kind of Science Fair geek but sheesh! Don't people have even the most basic grasp of what's credible in terms of science??
And what's with the indiscriminate use of the word "vibrations" on every quack site?
Radiation isn't a necessity in the equation. All you need is a release of electromagnetic energy large and powerful enough to produce power surges and polarity reversal. I wouldn't be surprised if certain forms of lightning could do it.
Anyway, cool stickers.
An EMP is just a short intense burst of EM radiation and/or a strong magnetic field. EMP =/= EM. An EMP from a nuclear weapon has very little affect on biological lifeforms, but does damage almost anythign electrical. However, if a nuclear weapon goes off near you, you probably have other worries. Any such EM 'burst' with similar effects can have that name, and I have heard too that they are developing such weapons for law enforcement. Better than guns I suppose.
EM radiation is "a combination of oscillating electric and magnetic fields perpendicular to each other, moving through space as a wave" (through some unknown-as-yet medium). It is inclusive of ELF waves, radio, microwave, infrared, visible light, ultraviolet, x-rays and gamma rays. It travels at the speed of light (because it is light). You can't avoid it. Pretty much every object in the universe gives off heat in the form of radiation. Don't confuse "radiation" with "radioactive". Only radiation between gamma and far UV is ionizing (the bad kind), meaning it has enough energy and small enough waves to knock electrons off their atoms. Any radiation is not good for you in high doses, but you might as well try avoiding any heat or light source at all.
Worth stating again: light is EM.
A magnetic field could kill you, but we've never even come close on earth to making one that strong, not even with a nuclear bomb. An MRI machine can grab a steel compressed air cylinder from across a room, but it can't even touch the iron in your blood (which is a non-magnetic molecule, iron electrons have to be free to flow). Your bodily fluids are actually slightly repelled.
So I wouldn't put too much faith in a sticker being able to block either, at all.
However, it's no dumber (although more expensive) than believing that wearing a quartz crystal can make you healthier, a nostrum that several otherwise intelligent people of my aquaintance have fallen for.
Big Gary c, Of course - everything affects everything else. I think Newton proved that, but most reactions on this small planet are minute, compared with universal cause and effect.
Splarka, you sound like you know what you're talking about.
Citizen Premier, Yes, I also read about experiments in EMP weapons technology not involving nuclear weapons. Don't know how far they've gotten. And yes, recently, the Army IS experimenting with a rifle that has a side-mounted video display, with the intention that a soldier can point it around a building's corner, acquire a target, shoot and hit it (the enemy), without exposing anything more than the soldier's hands, and maybe one forearm. And, finally, Ashley - I *love* your sense of humor!
Cell-phones and computers and whatnot do give off EM radiation, but not that sort of high-energy radiation. Is the radiation from them harmful to us? Perhaps, but if so, only on the level of it killing the occasional cell in your body -- not enough of a problem to have any harmful effect. Computer circuits are more sensitive to EM than people are, so if they gave off enough energy to be able to fry a person, they'd first fry themselves. I haven't seen many examples of cell-phones committing suicide. The radiation we get from the sun probably gives us a larger dose of radiation than our various electronic gizmos, and over a wider spectrum of wavelengths. So if we're going to start worrying about the chronic effects of having your computer turned on, then we'd first start burrowing into the earth to escape the sun (and even down there, the cosmic rays and neutrinos will still get us).
So in the case of something like the microwave, the stickers aren't going to do any good, while with other electronics, they're not worth the worry.
I am curious about one thing, though: how does BIOPRO plan to deal with the "harmful radiation" given off by pacemakers inside of people? Now in a store near you: BIOPRO suppositories!
There are also new computerized systems for guns that read the user's fingerprints, and if the user's prints don't match the prints recorded in the chip's memory, the gun can't be fired. Law enforcement people are really interested in this idea, because it would keep people from stealing and using their guns.
(goes through memory)
Ah, I believe it was 'XtremeADS', or something. Stood for 'extreme alternative defence systems', although it was obviously one of those generic URLs registered in the hopes of selling it on (to a company dealing in 'extreme adverts', perhaps). They seem to have redone their web site, and issued some mocked-up pictures of their 'stunstrike', but it still seems very fishy.
It shoots a beam of microwaves that can't penetrate the skin deeply (thus doing no internal damage) but do cause what's apparently incredibly intense pain. I doubt a sticker would be very effective.
Say what you want, believe what you want, but the science is real and so are the dangers of EMF. The litte pendant you speak of is a prodcut made by Clarus designed to harmonize your own BioField and assist your body with the stresses EMF's and other enviormental conditions. You say its a crock, and if that is so, why are 300 Tour Golf players wearing a Qlink. WHY DID TIGER WOODS ASK FOR TWO? DONT BELIEVE ME, CHECK GOLFDIGEST.COM AND SEARCH FOR YOURSELF.
Good luck...im out!!!
I cannot speak physics with you as i am a business major, but i will say this, personal testimonials sell a product better than any other marketing i have seen. now, before you jump to your cranky conclusion, let me elaborate with this: i mean word of mouth testimonials. when people start talking about a product or service they believe in, its easy to sell a product. my reference to phone calls from clients was not a "selling point", but rather a "maybe the technology really does work and people are actually feeling a difference point." see the difference? i ran across this forum and i thought id drop a line based on my experience of the products, not argue who is right or the physics of technology that i doubt you could actually keep up with. (sorry for the assumption, no foul intended).
when i muscle test people for other products that claim they do the same ours does, there is absolutly no difference in their strength. however, with our products, people feel how it works through kinesiology.
check out clarus.com for info and research on the Qlink, and yes, we do sell the Qlink. i never said tiger endorsed out product, however i think its interesting that he has asked for two of them. You make a good arguement as to tiger wearing the product for the look, but have you seen our products? they dont look that appealing! nevertheless, loosen up a little bit and if you want to become a distibutor let me know. I am confident i have sold you on the products and the business, i look forward to hearing from you!
Joseph said:
"Interesting reply to my email.
"I cannot speak physics with you as i am a business major, but i will say this, personal testimonials sell a product better than any other marketing i have seen. now, before you jump to your cranky conclusion, let me elaborate with this: i mean word of mouth testimonials. when people start talking about a product or service they believe in, its easy to sell a product. my reference to phone calls from clients was not a "selling point", but rather a "maybe the technology really does work and people are actually feeling a difference point." see the difference?"
I have no doubt that testimonials help sell product, but what does that have to do with whether or not the product WORKS? The way to determine that--the only accurate way--is by proper scientific testing. Either it works or it doesn't.
"i ran across this forum and i thought id drop a line based on my experience of the products, not argue who is right or the physics of technology that i doubt you could actually keep up with. (sorry for the assumption, no foul intended)."
Yes, that's right, I'm SO STUPID that I couldn't POSSIBLY understand your bogus "scientific" mumbo-jumbo. Duh. Hey, wait! I thought you were a business major and not capable of speaking physics. Are you a sales-weasel or a genius in undiscovered-by-the-scientific-mainstream physics?
"when i muscle test people for other products that claim they do the same ours does, there is absolutly no difference in their strength. however, with our products, people feel how it works through kinesiology."
Are you referring to that bullshit where the thing being "tested" is placed in the person's hand and if they don't resist your pushing on their arm to your satisfaction, that somehow "proves" something or other? THAT'S the "science" that Stupid Ol' Me couldn't possibly understand? Um, I know enough to know that that is discredited horseshit.
"check out clarus.com for info and research on the Qlink, and yes, we do sell the Qlink."
And as I tried to get you to explain before, how does the QLink relate to the BIOPRO Chips? They're two different products, right, so how does talking about one of them tell me anything about the other?
"i never said tiger endorsed out product, however i think its interesting that he has asked for two of them."
I hear he asked for two shoes in a department store, too. I guess that proves that shoes "harmonize EMF." What ELSE could it possibly mean?
continued...
"You make a good arguement as to tiger wearing the product for the look, but have you seen our products? they dont look that appealing!"
I'll take your word about the unattractiveness of your products. As for Tiger Woods liking the way they look, I was merely proposing that as one possible reason why he might have wanted to own them, assuming that he actually does, that is. Not that a SALESPERSON would EVER lie about something that might help sell his product.
"nevertheless, loosen up a little bit and if you want to become a distibutor let me know. I am confident i have sold you on the products and the business, i look forward to hearing from you!"
You can look forward to it all you want, but it ain't gonna happen, Bub! Life's too short to waste any of it on selling crap to the gullible.
As for your confidence that you have sold me on the products, I only wish I could attach a sound file to this message--although Dumb Ol' Me would have to bring in a technician to handle a technical job like that--so you could hear me laughing at that ridiculous notion. I trust I have made my position on this clear.
i never referred to you as stupid. i even put a disclaimer in my post incase my asssumption was wrong. why would you write..."
Yes, that's right, I'm SO STUPID that I couldn't POSSIBLY understand your bogus "scientific" mumbo-jumbo. Duh."?
is your reading comprehension really that bad, or are you so insecure in regards to your own
knowledge and education that you really did think i meant you were stupid?
"I have no doubt that testimonials help sell product, but what does that have to do with whether or not the product WORKS? The way to determine that--the only accurate way--is by proper scientific testing. Either it works or it doesn't." through kinesiology people can feel a difference immediatley, over time they feel a difference in their body, thus the product sells. more research should become available in coming weeks, i will link that onto here.
for now, relazx and study the website so when i sign you up to distribute the product you know what to say....thanks....joseph
Qlink and biopro use the same technology, that is why i refernce to Qlink. point taken on tiger woods, i guess golfdigest.com is inaccurate when they talk about golfers and products they use. please forgive my ignorance.
I notice that you don't even attempt to respond to the questions I asked you. Why, it's almost as if you KNOW that the crap you sell doesn't work (other than the placebo effect of course) and you CAN'T give reasonable answers.
Tell you what. If you sincerely believe in those stupid "resins" or whatever they are, why don't you show the world how scientifically effective they are by applying for the James Randi Educational Foundation's prize? Go to randi.org for the details. There's a million dollars waiting for you if you can prove they work under controlled conditions. You wouldn't even have to explain HOW they work; you'd just have to PROVE THAT THEY DO. Since you're so sure they work, this should be easy money for you.
Why do you keep making yourself look foolish by insisting that I'm going to become a distributor for your crap? Hell will get a hockey franchise before that happens. I don't even want to sell legitimate products, let along phony nonsense marketed to the gullible.
These people believe that since we are made up of water than the overheating will have negative effects on us.
Another thing that just makes me laugh is the attack on computers. I am a computer technician and I can tell you that if your CPU Box is not shielding EMF, then I want to know how your computer is even working. Computers have to be shielded in order for them to work properly.
I think this companies hoax is to do a network marketing scheme to gather people up so they can make "the long dollar" on this product. Look into their "Business Opportunity" on those websites.
I have no remorse for the stupid people of this planet. If they honestly believe a little chip or a copper/gold pendant is really going to protect them from EMF, let them. These things use a SRT (Sound Resonating Tunnel) to harmonize EMF. Well guess what I did take a lot of physics throughout highschool and college and can tell you that if you can make a sound wave harmonize an EMF wave, you better go and talk to NASA because they are sure going to be needing your input for a thing called a sub-light engine.
I am not totally against looking into things, but when offered the research and this is what I find, well then I can say "NO". The research is non-conclusive as to the adverse effects of EMF on people. The Swedes are conducting a 10 year test of cell phones and cancer. Midway report says. . . oh oh oh. . . Non-conclusive as thus far. Science did not say that they don't just said halfway through they are not sure yet. I like that people who are guessing and testing rather than just throwing out a bunch of radical technical terms that could not even possibly exists at this point in human technology.
I just must say they are doing a good job, because of I have been approached by some of their lackies in my area to buy this. I said well let me look into and then I will get back to you. I looked into it, called the individual back and said nice try.
I don't want to hear about testimonials used to sell the product or other media babble. What does "Golf Digest" know about physics. . . Hmmmm not a thing! Tiger Woods is an athlete, well come on let's let club-swinging Stephen Hawking speak on this product. Tiger Woods bought 2? Well I am sure he could afford it (no offense Tiger).
Don't get me wrong, Tiger Woods = excellent athlete, superb golfer in all respects, Tiger Woods != Astrophysicist. Using stars to promote products is just a an ol bandwagon technique. If the QLink could make me play golf like Tiger, I would be all over that monkey.
Now if the thing was in "Popular Science" or some creditable science magazine of the sort, I might look into this more.
"...I do not believe that this product has a real benefit. Not to mention the fact that at the end of the information video it states(but only for a brief second) "This product is not intended to cure, or prevent any diseases"."
Joseph, if you watch TV, you'll see that all the quack crap sold on it has a disclaimer that says "This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease." I assume this is a standardized phrase, possibly mandated by the FDA since it's always worded the same way. Everytime I see it, I think, "Uh, if it doesn't do at least one of those four things, what the hell would I want it for?" After all, "treat" is pretty vague. If a product can't even "treat" whatever my ailment is, isn't it worthless?
To me this says they are charging this chip with resonant frequencies, would this not make this so called chip an AC battery? If so why are the electric co. not using this technology for storing AC electricity that they generate?
"To me this says they are charging this chip with resonant frequencies, would this not make this so called chip an AC battery?"
Although I went to electronics school for six months after I graduated from high school way back when, I wasn't a very good student, so I might be wrong here. Feel free to correct me if I AM wrong, but wouldn't an "AC battery" be a breakthrough in electronics? Aren't batteries DC by nature?
This, of course, is just another reason to doubt the claims for these chips.
U.S. Food and Drug Administration
FDA Consumer magazine
November-December 2000
Table of Contents
"With the recent media spotlight on cell phones, cancer researcher John Moulder, Ph.D., warns that some marketers are preying on people's fear of radiation, selling fraudulent devices with claims that they are protective. Moulder has seen a variety of creative but useless items, mostly on the Internet, from pendants worn around the neck to so-called RF-proof lingerie. As to products sold as shields for the phone to cut your RF exposure while not interfering with the communication signal, Moulder says, "I have yet to see one that can do both of those things.""
Read the rest for your self at:
http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2000/600_phone.html
I don't know about BioPro or Clarus' claims, but I think it is extremely closed-minded to think that something like this (which is more natural than you probably know)is a "bunch of crap". Also, in regards to the US Food and Drug Administraion report: who in their right mind believes all the crap that government agencies feed us?
Exerpts:
It is well known that the human body responds to and is capable of generating various frequencies of activity. Witness the use of MRI and NMR techniques in conventional medical diagnostic procedures. Similarly,cellular DNA has been determined by Lorenzen and others to have a resonant frequency 42 octaves above "middle C" on our musical scale. This has major implications in the fields of neurobiology and biochemistry. These examples utilize known and measurable resonant frequencies for various organs, tissues, liquids, celular constructs and bones and represent science which is routinely used in medical diagnostic procedures worldwide.
Today, sophisticated devices have proven that the human body has a constant flux or flow of electricity through it, so in a sense the human body is an electromagnetic coil or antenna. Human DNA, which is a super coiled double strand molecule, acts as an antenna and is known to emit electromagnetic radiation. Therefore it is fairly easy to understand, how we can be positively influenced by all these natural forms of electromagnetic frequencies. All things in nature seek harmonic balance.
The last people I would ever trust with information regarding
products that increase vitality and promote good health in an increasingly health risked world is the U.S. govt, period.
If you want good info you have to search. This is technology that has been researched for 25 years at universities around the world. It's mentioned in their promotional material which places
have conducted studies. If you search for those studies you can see for yourselves what happens to blood, skin and other parts of your whole self when these painstakenly designed inventions
do what they were designed to do.
Ask the cynics to take the time to read everything they can find and then make a statement based on what they observed. If they want to talk before that then it will all be blather. Time to change the channel For a good place to start, type the folllowing into your search engine. The pdf attachment will give you background enough on all the science that has supported the purpoted benefits from using this product.
What's my interest in joining this discussion? Whenever I look up something that I'm intensely interested in, I try to find any information that legitimately refutes what the prospects are of my item in focus. I haven't found it here, so Ill look in a couple more or so places then I'll call it a day, kiss my daughter goodnight, ask her how she felt today, and send for a few more of these things because I'd like my whole family to be protected as well as we're able against the constant onslaught of a world filled with electronic gadgets. I do love them all, but the dangers are unmistakable, and our health and peak performance are worth more than a few measle hundred dollars.
My two cents worth,
Roger
The seller specifies in an FAQ somewhere the reason why it is good to use both the pendant and the chips. The pendant is good for EMF from all types of items in the environment, where the chips are to be placed specifically on those areas where EMF and/or heating exists.
They also have a device which can be used for the home - plug it in to an outlet and it will protect your home up to 60' radius. And the amazing thing is that it uses no electricity...so why do I have to plug it in then?
Regarding the chips, the seller also states that you can put these chips on your car to enhance gas mileage - surely this is a very simple scientific test that could be done to prove the increase, so why can't I find the test results published somewhere?
Finally, the seller states that one pendant can't be shared by 2 people because the pendant tunes itself to an individual person's biofield. Wow - pretty amazing. Sounds like the seller would rather fine tune their wallet through sales of multiple pendants.
I found very little to refute the claims of biopro's technology, but I found not a single one to support it (I looked for over an hour).
A couple of my family members bought this product for the rediculous price of $140 and when I learned this I immediately got mad.
I read their sight... it was silly. They do not know anything about electronics or radiation. Nice rubber sticker, though.
One last thing, it claims not to effect the phones transmit/receive properties in any way... hahaha! They don't seem to know what radiation is or what they are claiming.
Don't waste your money on a sticker that just lets everyone know you are gullible.
Thanks BIOPRO for making my loved ones waste their money to look stupid!
Our cells communicate with or tissue, and our tissue communicates with our organs, and our organs make up an organism. For those that are confused... That would be us. And you. A human being. All of this communication uses natural electric communications and frequencies. We need our cells to communicate PROPERLY in order to live NORMALLY and HEALTHY. The reason why EMF has become such a scare in society is because these Ellectro Magnetic Fields DISTURB the way OUR CELLS COMMUNICATE. This results in corrupted cell growth, corrupted tissue and organ communications. This results in DISEASE. This results in CANCER. Don't be surprised when there's a National Health Crisis in the year 2050. And don't tell me that I didn't WARN you! So go eat some fruit and drink the beloved tea.
I suggest any of you to try one of these products. If you want cheap, then do research on Crystal Catalyst. The 12 Point Resonator is nice.
Total melt down and exodus from biopro begins
All you have to look at is their lame ass disclaimer just like biopro's and all the other MLM Scams out there:
"This information is for educational purposes only and is not to be construed as a recommendation for treating disease. Always consult a health practitioner for treatment of disease. No statement in this website has been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. EarthCalm claims only to release the nervous system from the stress of AC generated EMFs."
What more can you say when their own statement says it all. This company like all other companies are just taking advantage of a "perceived" idea - a perception they have all created via MLM Marketing and is is all just a load of crap! Just like the Man Made Global Warming scare which we all know now is just another method to rape us as a new type of tax; AKA: Carbon Credits. All of this is created through total propaganda. We know it sound like a scam... well, is it?
So let me get this straight, you poke fun at people because people believe in the qlink and you poke fun at the makers for selling a product as such but you don't even know about the FDA cover ups or government propaganda or control, but you want to use these in your arguements are you complete morons ?
Fisrtly, let me get this straight, what the makers claim is that it harmonizes emf's by harmonizing our own energy fields so we don't get affected as much as we would if we were not in balance. Let me guess, you wouldn't even believe in Auras unless your precious mainstream science could not prove it. Well people have been working with body energy for thousands of years before your precious, government controlled scientists proved we all have our own energy fields.
There are some complete idiots out there, that are either working for the gvt, or just plain stupid to think they know everything there is to know and thus closing off all other possibilities, well guys, have a nice, sheltered life.
Did you see one of the pitchers at the world series was using one of the Q-Link knockoffs??? Had one around his neck.