Bush Voters Have Lower IQs

Florida comes in at 26! Interesting, if things had been just a little bit different - I'd be in a more intelligent state? (Yes, I know that's backwards - ranked at 26, we had too many folks who could not figure out the ballots.) 😝

I personally do think that ush voters are mentally off. He has led America to many bad decisions. But that is only my opinion.

Take a close look at the page - he doesn't actually say his statistics came from "IQ and the Wealth of Nations." His claims about IQ varience are so broad as to be highly suspect. Take a look at this page:

http://iq-test.learninginfo.org/iq04.htm

Only 16% of the population has an IQ of 85 or below. However, he claims this is the average IQ for Mississippi. And only 25% of the population has an IQ of 90 or less - he's gone and claimed that no less than 10 states have an average IQ this low. I suspect these figures are a hoax, and one put together by someone unaware of how IQ is distributed in the population as a whole.

This table of IQs by state is an outright hoax.

It does _not_ come from Lynn & Vanhanen's book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations," as the table claims. I read and reviewed that book. There is nothing in the book about IQs by states. As the title suggests, it is only interested in assembling all tests of _national_ IQs published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

Bad Decisions?
He ousted TWO, not one but TWO, oppressive dictators - is in the process of establising those two nations as powerful trading partners, He instituted a department of homeland security, he is working to improve interagency cooperation and he is expanding and empowering the economy.
The only reason why Bush is reflected as a bad president is because of the leftist media - attempting to anger a nation over 9 deaths a day in an attempt to reconstruct two of the most oppressed deaths.
No parallel can be credibly be drawn between Iraq and Vietnam - The simple difference between the number of casualties is tremendous.
As far as voter's IQ goes is a> irrelevant and b> completely false. There is no way to accurately obtain a voter's IQ unless a test is administered to the voters as they vote - under that reasoning the institution conducting the survey would either be sued, if the survey was widespread enough to even be accurate, or completely incorrect because they only tested certain polls in certain cities and did not develop a wide enough base to accurately depict the IQ of specific states

Leave it to a Republican to make comments on Bush's record, and then blame "leftist media." TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

A few points:

1) Bush adminstration betrayed a career diplomat, then destroyed the career of his wife- a secret agent working for the government. If this isn't a partisan attack, what is?

2) The main reason for the fight in Iraq was "weapons of mass destruction." This was a bold-faced lie that cost the lives of 8,000 Iraqis and 600 Americans.

3) Iraq is a massive quagmire, and things are getting worse.

4) The economy is in shambles. There are more people going bankrupt than any other time in history.

5) Those that truly appreciate small government and less government interference with personal freedoms can no longer call themselves Republicans. We have the largest government in the history of mankind, with the biggest government spending ever, and the Patriot Act, which transforms the Bill of Rights into a distant memory.

There is a correlaton between intelligent, educated people and voting records. Deal with it.

Read the american assembler article again, they do stipulate that they took the voting and IQ records from "IQ and the Wealth of Nations".

Also given the resumes of the authors

(from amazon.com)

RICHARD LYNN is Professor Emeritus of Psychology, University of Ulster, Northern Ireland.


TATU VANHANEN is Professor Emeritus, Department of Political Science, University of Tampere and Docent Emeritus, Department of Political Science, University of Helsinki, Finland.

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I would tend to believe their assertions to be fact over the poster of this article.

Yet a fallacy that I would like to point out from an arguement about average IQ in the begining of this thread: The average IQ may be over 85 points, however in average IQs running from 102 to 85 with 50 states being used to create the average, we would need atleast some of the states polled be under the national average in order to get a national average that is higher than some states.

Yet I digress, Inteligence Quotient Tests are highly subjective and relevant to racial, social, and economic factors of the individual taking the test, no wonder certain areas scored 'abnormaly low' and others much higher.

I contacted Richard Lynn, author of IQ AND THE WEALTH OF NATIONS. He said, "This information is not given in my book." So it looks like the IQ figures are a hoax.



Unfortunately, the American Assembler is displaying them as fact: http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm



I also emailed the student at UMass, 'gcharter', who seems to be the real source of this info, but he hasn't responded to me.

Why does it not suprise me that it's a hoax?

[as an aside, if you really believe that the only 'main reason' to go into Iraq was WMD, you really need to invest in some long-term memory]

Is that "American Assembler," or "American Dissembler"?

It seems self-evident to me that Bush supporters would have to be either a. rich and extremely selfish, b. profoundly ignorant, or c. mentally deficient (not that those are mutually exclusive);
but trying to prove such claims with statistics is an inherently foolish enterprise, especially since, as someone else pointed out, the notion of "IQ" as a measurable and meaningful trait has been pretty thoroughly discredited (See "The Mismeasure of Man" by Stephen Jay Gould for a whole book about bogus IQ testing).

OH NO!

Displaying them as Fact?

Making up information?

Making False statements concerning the sources?

HOW HORRIBLE! Just goes to prove how DANGEROUS those LIB LIES really are.

The death toll on this must be in the double digit range at least.

Lying about HOW STUPID Republicans can behave...

As if a chart were really necessary for that.

Yep, according to 'Big Gary', Bush voters are either rich or stupid, or both, and according to 'Ray', libs don't need to make up numbers to try to paint Bush supporters as stupid.

But of course, it's the Republicians that are mean spirited.

Does gullibility factor into IQ in some way? The people who fell for this hoax might like to consider what it says about their own mental agility.

Some moron wrote:
Does gullibility factor into IQ in some way? The people who fell for this
hoax might like to consider what it says about their own mental agility.
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Were the author of the last post actually intelligent they would understand that IQ pertains to intellectual acuity, not mental agility. But alas they do not, and probably would not be able to fathom the differences between the two notions.

You can find more about this hoax at this URL.

The funny thing, is that IQ really does not mean a darn thing about who or what you are. I knew a Canadian truck driver who qualified for Mensa who was shocked that they had listed murder/rapist Paul Bernado (or it might of been his just as guilty wife, Karla Homolka) were being listed as current members AFTER the trial. Great group of people that the high IQ mensa types hang out with, huh?

For chrissakes guys, he marked it as a hoax in the first place. Are you going to go read Satire Wire, Something Awful or The Onion and take THAT as fact, too? Hell, just because Bush is a complete moron doesnt mean ALL of his voters are, too.

Actually, you all are sort of heading the discussion in the wrong direction with the IQ rantings. Most people don't even know their IQs. If you look at the states that Bush won in 200 and compare them with how those states rank in educating young people, you'll find a correlation. That's the point. (Hint: It's the Alabama belt.)

Bush himself is no rocket scientist. He's proud of the fact that he was a C student at Yale. (Getting Cs in grad school is nothing to be proud of.) Educators know that C students are usually sort of uninspired, slow to catch on to things, willing to let others do the hard work, and so forth.

Bush calls well-educated people "smarty-pantses" and "the elite" as if being well educated is a crime, or something to be suspicious of. That is part of the reason why he's in so much trouble. He has surrounded himself with smarty-pantses who probably talk over his head or around him, deliberately cut him out of the loop, write his lines for him, placate him with one-liners he can deliver and feed him very short "briefings" at his particular reading level. Bush hates shades of gray and subtlties. He even said once that "we don't do nuances in Texas." He probably meant Midland, Texas.

We all need to wise up, figure out what a problem he is causing, and send him back to Texas this fall.😛

The Economist also fell for this.

So the following week they published the nearest they could find - state vs % graduates and state vs school test results.

Here's a Bush voter/Low IQ joke that I just came across:



A popular bar had a new robotic bartender installed
A fellow came in for a drink and the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?"
The man replied, "150."
So the robot proceeded to make conversation about Quantum physics, string
theory, atomic chemistry, and so on.
The man listened intently and thought, "This is really cool." The man
decided to test the robot. He walked out the bar, turned around, and came
back in for another drink.
Again, the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?"
The man responded, "100." So the robot started talking about football,
baseball, and so on.
The man thought to himself, "Wow, this is really cool." The man went out
and came back in a third time.
As before, the robot asked him, "What's your IQ?"
The man replied, "50."
The robot then said, "So, you gonna vote for Bush again?"

Even if it were true, it would be irrelevant and merely coincidental. If it is possible to find the average IQ, income, or test scores of Bush and Gore voters, not states, you would more likely find that Gore voters have lower IQs, income, and poorer test scores. This is not a slant on Democrats, but it is no stretch to say that most people living in poverty vote Democratic, and most middle class suburbanites vote Republican.

:cheese:
Say what you like bout Bush, but at least, the country is moving towards real morale values.
Which is better:
Low Moral Values, extreme immorality and aborminations = High IQ

or

High Moral values, decent country with real values = low IQ?

hey, i think its true. Makes sense to me.

I don't think there's a doubt Oliver, it's much better to have a High IQ than an old view of the world, like the one America has. This is the most advanced country in many ways, but its culture is so behind everyone elses. It's sad really.

And in my opinion, if you vote for Bush, you gotta have shit for brains or be right on the top and be doing everything to keep everybody on the bottom. I mean, look at that guy.

This is proof that we need to transcend politics. What a waste of time.

Oliver, you think bombing the living crap out of poor countries is a moral thing to do? You kids need to grow up (I am not talking about physical age here) Moral is not something that only suits you, it

god has spoken....

"Gore voters have lower IQs, income, and poorer test scores. This is not a slant on Democrats, but it is no stretch to say that most people living in poverty vote Democratic, and most middle class suburbanites vote Republican." I can see where you're coming from Dan...that poorer, less "successful" people tend to vote Democratic but I think you'll find that that is easily offset by all the racist, bigoted, church-going, white trailer trash in this country that, without a doubt, votes Republican. I tend to think of racist, bigoted, zenophobic people as "less intelligent". I also find that people who are capable of analytical thought tend to vote on the candidates' merits.

As far as middle-class suburbanites voting for the GOP, I think that's been pretty much been obliterated by the incredible prosperity and peace of the Clinton years coupled with the abomination that is Bush.

But this disaster of an administration isn't a "Republican" thing, it's a Bush thing. Can anyone imagine John McCain creating such a mess of our country? I highly doubt it. And there's nothing intrinsically wrong with conservatism, though it tends to slow down progress on issues that are critical to our society and to our planet. This situation is simply the result of having an idiot as a president.

Though the vast majority of the wealthy vote Republican, there are those few incredible humanists who have loftier goals than simply avoiding taxes and keeping "foreigners" down or keeping them out of the U.S. But their influence is so much greater than simply who they vote for.

Olivier, your statement implies that bombing innocent men, women and children is more moral than getting blowjobs in the White House and then lying about it. The hypocrisy I see in "church-going" people probably like yourself is painfully apparent. I truly hope that someday organized religion is seen for what it really is...mind control of the masses. I look at organized religion as being as dangerous as global warming as it results in the election of people as dangerously stupid as Bush.

Now I know why lions eat their young.

Is it not interesting that those who posted comments attacking George Bush and the intelligence of conservatives (such as the one posted by Greg) merely make pathetic, personal attacks, and employ myths, half truths and outright lies as the basis for their silly little rants? If the mentality reflected in their posts is an indication of intelligence then I would prefer to be stoopid.

i agree with phil

Okay, I am not an American, but I have to say, it seems to me a very stoopid thing to do, to vote for more of Dubya Bush!

April spelled "stoopid." The evidence speaks for itself. heheh

Please note the post by Phillip Nolan... where he spelled "stoopid".. Hehehe, it's a joke, innit?

good to know

This is in response to Greg's comments on Tuesday June 29, 04 at 1:41 pm: OK Greg what I want to know is what basis do you have for your remarks? No expertise or evidence to back up your comments so this goes to show just how smart someone is when they cannot back up their facts. You are sir, one of the ones who help promote hoaxes and lies. As Neal Boortz would say, you are an idiot!!!

Here is a popular quote that is truely meant for this subject:

From Neals Boortz's Website:

WHY I THINK VOTING SHOULD BE RESTRICTED

This is one of my favorites. From Alexander Tyler. No, he wasn't writing about the United States. This quote is well over one hundred years old. Tyler was writing about the fall of the Athenian Republic.


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

Greg spelled "xenophobic" with a z. Being angry and long-winded is no excuse for not proofreading.

Most educated people tend to assume intellegence equals wisdom- the two are not connected. I would assume that Marx was a highly intellegent man...I can also point out that his highly intellegent viewpoints resulted in the deaths of over 50 million people in the last century. My point is...this study has no point.

In response to Dan who said on Aug 13 that "being angry and long winded is no excuse for not proofreading", well of course those are the best reasons,Dan. I challenge you to think of better reasons not to proofread. By the way, Xenophobia can be spelled with a Z or a Greek Theta instead of Chi if one wants to.I did it in 1978 and it didn't hurt my career at all.Harry Truman did it in 1948, however, but some calm proofreader caught it and look what happenend to Harry.

I like April's comment, Down with King Bush 😊

I love it when I hear someone say that voting rights should be restricted to smart people. One can draw two conclusions from this comment: First, you believe that smart people agree with you. Second, you're not as smart as you think.

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bush is a beggar

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OK, the IQ thing might be a hoax, but this isn't: http://www2.hawaii.edu/~bergen/EducationObesityBush.htm

Here's a really good Bush/Kerry supporter comparison. It reveals quite a bit about how Bush vs. Kerry supporters perceive events in the world...very interesting. http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/Report10_21_04.pdf

85% of statistics are made up the spot.
hey, fuck you, you redneck republicans.
stay at walmart you mcdonalds eating nascar hillbillies.
ha!

I find it funny that the Conservatives in this argument have class, where as the Liberals refer to us as--and I quote--"fuck you, you redneck republicans.stay at walmart you mcdonalds eating nascar hillbillies." Damn, that sounds like a reliable source.

Is it only me in this argument that finds it quite hilarious about the comparisons between the RNC and DNC? If we're so spiteful, full of hate, and just plain "lousy rednecks", then why, pray tell, were participants at the RNC trampled by LIBERAL PROTESTORS?

I'm sorry, but, correct me if I'm wrong, as I remember, there were only a handful--if any at all--of PEACEFUL demonstrations by the Republicans at the DNC. Now, can somebody please explain to me how this could possibly be? Well, perhaps the answer lies in the simple fact that REPUBLICANS ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS. Whereas quite a lot of Democrats are dependent on government support, via welfare, food stamps, etc.

OH SNAP. How could this be? I mean, I could have sworn that, as Marcos so nicely put it: "hey, fuck you, you redneck republicans. stay at walmart you mcdonalds eating nascar hillbillies." In other words condoning the entire Conservative population as lifeless hillbillies who have brains of mush. Well
butter my butt and call me a biscuit!

Sorry, but I'm not buying that bull. Although I am a church-going woman from the South, I am by no means a hillbilly, redneck, or damn cracker for that matter. Next time, Marcos, dear, please try making up your own mind. Got it?