The Kitten Killer of Hangzhou

Status: Real (unfortunately)
A series of pictures showing a woman crushing a kitten to death with her stiletto heels is causing an uproar over in China. The pictures first appeared on the internet and have recently been published by some Chinese newspapers. The woman in the photos has been dubbed the Kitten Killer of Hangzhou, because the background scene has been identified as Hangzhou. I've been able to locate four of the pictures in the series, but I think there are a few more (far more graphic) ones. Here are the ones I found (I don't have larger versions):

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Image 3
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Image 4
(possibly disturbing)

The big question is: Who is this woman? One theory is that the images come from a Japanese shoe advertisement. Another theory identifies the kitten killer as a "37-year-old woman from Hubei province with the internet identity 'Gainmas.'" The London Telegraph elaborates:

She had registered a website in Hangzhou and - the ultimate evidence - had bought a pair of stilettoes on eBay last year. She was also registered with QQ, a popular Chinese message service, where she wrote of herself: "I furiously crush everything to do with you and me." Before her QQ address went dead, its owner had several conversations. In one, she is coy, saying "So what?" when asked if the pictures are of her, and then, when asked again, replying: "In theory." When confronted by a reporter, she became defensive, saying: "Suddenly hundreds of people are on my QQ and cursing me. What's the problem if I crush cats? It's a type of experience. You wouldn't understand."

The Telegraph goes on to note:

No one seems to have suggested the serious possibility that the photographs could be a hoax - created by picture-altering computer software. But in the face of tight control of self-expression, young Chinese are seeking wildly different forms of sensation or satire on the state of society.

Without having seen all the pictures (and better quality ones), it's hard to judge whether or not they're real. But it certainly seems like this has already become the Chinese version of Bonsai Kitten (with the added twist that it may be real... in which case it's definitely disgusting).

Update: A "Crush" video is circulating around (you can find links to it in the comments, if you're interested) that makes it pretty clear the woman really did step on a kitten. Also, an article in the Shanghai Daily reports that the lady, and the guy who produced the video, have been identified. The producer, who is a camera operator at a TV station, has apologized. However, the woman, who works as a nurse at a hospital, has disappeared, leading to concerns that kitten commandoes may have abducted her (or something along those lines).

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Posted on Mon Mar 06, 2006



Comments

Well Congrats! These people that love to pull off the shock factor has struck again. They do it because one they are twisted, and two because they can get everyone one up in arms. as human nature would have in with our different views on the topics in question and the many cultures, we predictably will turn on each other. while people like this woman sit back an laugh getting off. Don't get me wrong I am an animal lover too, and think people like her really need help or some good meds. However people face it we have sickos everywhere, and they prey on helpless animals and people for that matter. Instead of fighting one another, the various groups like spca and others need support. We need to work together to put cruel predators where they belong...in a cage. Maybe one day this world will be a better place..wishful thinking I know. you all take care and hug your families and yes even your pets.
Posted by Dan.S  on  Fri Mar 10, 2006  at  09:43 AM
Am I the only one who sees the difference between eating a hamburger and crushing a domestic animal with high heels?

Here I go. People eat meat. Big deal. No, people do not need meat to survive, beans and nuts have enough protein, but people have eaten meat for forever and the majority will not stop because you argue about it on a thred. Also, this has NOTHING to do with the kitten killer.

Secondly, people are upset about the kitten killer becaus it's the NEEDLESS (and painful) dying of a BABY DOMESTIC animal. It's dying for no apparant reason, that's #1. It's just a baby, that's #2, and #3 is that it is a domestic animal, like what we have in our own homes. It hits close to home. This is not the place to argue about vegetarianism, this is a place to argue about whether this video is a hoax or real.

I havent seen the video/pictures, and I'm not going to because I'm a fourteen year old girl, and I'd be scared out of my mind, but I'm not going to argue about people's choices in diet. I'll leave that to you.
Posted by Dracul  on  Fri Mar 10, 2006  at  09:48 AM
it's real. I saw the video.
Posted by DC  on  Fri Mar 10, 2006  at  12:39 PM
We can spend our entire lives discussing and arguing and debating the morality of killing animals, and we'll never reach any sort of an agreement. The morality of something depends on each person's individual morals, and there are so many different moral ideologies.

What can potentially be resolved is how genuine this woman's stunt was. Since there is apparently a video as well as the pictures, I doubt that the images have been manipulated to make it appear that she was stepping on the kitten when she really wasn't. Doing that sort of fakery convincingly to photographs is hard enough; going back and editing the images in a video would be a major effort.

So I think that the woman is indeed actually stepping on something. That leaves the question of what she's stepping on. Is it a real, live kitten? Is it a dead kitten? Or is it a fake kitten?
Posted by Accipiter  on  Fri Mar 10, 2006  at  01:20 PM
The video is real and it s disgusting. It s animal snuff, really sick stuff. This woman has a mental problem, there s no other way of describing these cruelties that got caught on video. Problem is: I got a mental problem now, too, because I was watching that sick crap and cannot get rid of those pictures in my head.

I would say it s not a trick, definetly not digitally manipulated (way too much effort and too perfectly real for a digital illusion anyway), but probably the cat is whether heavily sedated or already dead, as it doesn t try to run away and/or makes any visible effort of resistance against what that woman is doing. The sound got probably dubbed in afterwards. At least I hope so.

The argumentation that animals are getting killed for food, too, is in my opinion not in any way appropriate, as there s a main difference if something gets killed for food or if something gets killed for fun and for the enjoyment of gruesome cruelty against a (maybe) living creature. Even if for example animals are getting killed for the skin (leather for shoes or whatever) there s no real sense in inappropriate cruelty against the animal.

On the other side (I m shooting my own leg now): football is fun for a lot of people and the ball is made out of leather. So the animal that got killed for producing the football also got killed "for fun".

...maybe it s the wrong place to discuss something like this.

Ain t it a crazy thing that china is censoring western websites and on the other side there s stuff like this swapping into the web from china? Maybe china shouldn t censor the western websites but western websites should censor chinese ones. First time ever that I m thinking of something like this. It s sick sick sick...
Posted by aeiou  on  Fri Mar 10, 2006  at  03:24 PM
I agree that if it is real, it is disgusting.

Yet I wonder too if all this noise had been raised if it had been a cockroach instead of a kitten.
Posted by LaMa  on  Sat Mar 11, 2006  at  08:50 AM
"So I think that the woman is indeed actually stepping on something. That leaves the question of what she's stepping on. Is it a real, live kitten? Is it a dead kitten? Or is it a fake kitten?"

I have to agree with Acci. Also, I mentioned before I'm allergic to dead animals. When my Guinea Pig died, it would have been left in it's cage for a week before my husband came home from a training trip. Luckily (for me) my sister & her boyfriend were visiting & were able to dig a hole & stick the thing inside. I don't mind animals dying...and I even helped kill a rooster (to eat). There's just something about their dull eyes, limp bodies...ICK.

I would be just as grossed out by a human body as an animal being squished to death.

And LaMa...cockroaches don't really make noise while being crushed - but *I* personally would be grossed out by a yucky squished body with guts coming out of it. If I knew it was just crushed & could not see it - I would not be upset at all.
Posted by Maegan  on  Sun Mar 12, 2006  at  08:57 AM
Recently a video like this was all over the aussie news it was called "the art of killing a cat" & dipicted a can being skinned alive", although i havent seen either videos & dont plan to i really think it is WRONG & especialy wrong to do it for sexual pleasure
i do eat meat & enjoy it but i am really againts cruelety to animals of any kind
Posted by Samemo  on  Mon Mar 13, 2006  at  04:17 AM
ok, that was the most disgusting thing i've ever seen. i watched it until the end because i actually didn't realise what was going on, i had the sound turned off.

my two cents to the moral-discussion: a lot of posters have mixed up something here. it's not about killing a animal, it's a about torturing an animal to death. if you don't see the difference - well go fuck yourself, heartless piece of shit.

but now for something completely different:
i can't go to sleep until i really know if it's fake or real.
something is clear: a normal, healthy cat wouldn't react like this. it would try to escape. the cat in the video doesn't - the quesion is why.
some have assumed that the cat is on some sedatives (or perhaps on drugs). that was also the first thing coming in my mind. other assumed the cat to be already dead. but then, how do you explain the cats moves.
in fact, the movement of the cat looks very strange. this brought an other horrible consideration to my mind. look closely at the legs at the beginning of the movie, when the women carries the cat. they look very unnatural.
i have absolutley no idea abot anatomy - but could it be possible to break some specific bones to circumvent that the cat can flee? do you understand my question, my englist is very bad, sorry. i would be very happy if someone could give me an answer.
i really hope my speculations are wrong - if not, it would be even more horrible. i really hope, the cat was sedated.
also strange are the eyes of the cat, they look like the eyes of a dead cat to me. and the sound is odd too, sounds like overdubbed.
some 'experts' should take care of this, i really need to now the truth.
Posted by mike  on  Mon Mar 13, 2006  at  05:40 PM
i've forgotten something unusual: i've noticed some short cuts in the beginning of the movie. perhaps there are more, i don't know, and i don't want to see that shit a second time.
Posted by mike  on  Mon Mar 13, 2006  at  05:44 PM
the cat-killer has been identified.
but she has disappeared, i hope some fanatic animal lovers took care of her.
i really must admin, that i wouldn't wait one second to give a headshot, if i had the chance to.
may sound hard. but it's indeed ethically acceptable, as it isn't possible to punish her because china hasn't any animal protection rights.

well whatever, read this:
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/art/2006/03/11/248818/Cat_stomper_found_to_be_nurse.htm
Posted by mike  on  Mon Mar 13, 2006  at  06:13 PM
Has she really "disappeared" or is psycho-bitch just laying low to weather out the shit storm she created. There is a fine delineation between these two phrases (disappeared juxtaposed lay low). In any event, I will post $US10, 000 for information leading to her whereabouts (if in China). Have some associates in that part of the world that would like to converse with the women.
Posted by The Major  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  03:35 AM
Sorry, I've gone from "That's sick!" to "So what?" in under five pages.

Personally, I don't give a f**k if she stomped a real cat or not. If the typical 'righteous indignation' hypocrites are offended, well so what?
Posted by David B.  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  06:57 AM
>I will post $US10, 000 for information leading to her whereabouts (if in China).

It's sh*ts like this we need less of.
Posted by David B.  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  06:59 AM
"I will post $US10, 000 for information leading to her whereabouts (if in China). Have some associates in that part of the world that would like to converse with the women."

An act like this is just continuing this shit in the same way it started. Probably this woman also got some thousands to act in the video. Now you want to give some thousands to someone to find her to send someone to "talk" to her. Afterwards her lover gives some thousands to someone to get you killed. Then an upset crowd of american tourists will have a demonstration in Peking against chinese contract killers and cruelty against cats. Then the chinese authorities will send some tanks to crush them. Somebody will take a video of that and sell it to a video company in afghanistan that will sell the shit worldwide as an act of political propaganda. USA will then already have started to throw bombs onto China, because they ve crushed those american tourists...and all that shit because someone stepped on a cat. I don t want that.

The video is sick-sick-sick, but hey: calm down. You don t need to get no f***ing contract killer, you know?

Repeat slowly: calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean ...
Posted by aeiou  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  10:43 AM
one thing is clear:

the crush video scene is involved in the threads about the catkiller, and tries do calm down people.
they want relativize the case, like ('uuuh, what's so hard? western civilization kills animals all the time; don't we all eat meat?; there's much more cruel things going on,; etc. - you know it).
of course, those people don't tell you that they're from the crush video scene.
but it's obvious; David B. and the rest of you, fuck you, and go to hell.
Posted by mike  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  12:32 PM
aeiou: what else should we do, besides calming down?
Posted by mike  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  12:57 PM
Careful 'mike', I've got a mind-control ray and I'm not afraid to use it.
Posted by David B.  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  03:29 PM
@mike:

"the crush video scene is involved in the threads about the catkiller, and tries do calm down people."

"aeiou: what else should we do, besides calming down?"

...if you intend to connect me to any weird crush video scene, then please read the posts that I been writing right after I ve seen that sick video.

What else should we do? I f***ing don t know. Am I god or what!? I don t see any sense in personal revenge, like that guy who wanted to pay 10000USD to find that woman and then send some "friends" over to "talk" to her. If someone finds enjoyment in doing or watching shit like this that person should be taken care of in legal ways. If there s no laws against cruelty against pets then it s time for some pressure of some animal rights movement. maybe this video even can do something good by convincing people to join something like peta for example. any coin has it s good and it s bad side.

BTW: When I was a little child some kids in my age I knew thought it was cool to catch flies to tore off their wings and then watch it crawling over the table. I thought it was gruesome but it s actually the same thing. Only that a kitten looks more cute.
Posted by aeiou  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  04:09 PM
aeiou: sorry, i didn't mean to connect YOU to the crush video scene.

to torture a fly is not the same like to torture a cut. and the difference is not only, that a cat looks more cute to us. the nervous system of a cat is much more complex, so a cat can receive much more pain than a fly. it's important to see this difference.
still, torturing a fly for no other reason than the 'fun of turture' is unacceptable.

i agree with you, that 'personal revenge' is in fact a very problematic thing. still, as china doesn't have animal rights, it's ethically acceptable to 'make it on your own'.
still, i agree with you, that 'pressuring china to get some animal rights' is far more intelligent.

and that's what's actually happening.
Posted by mike  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  05:02 PM
david b.: i'm not afraid. the only thing you got is a disturbed mind and some sick movies.
Posted by mike  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  05:09 PM
mike: the only thing you got is a disturbed mind and some horrible videos.
Posted by mike  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  05:11 PM
wow, seems i'm disturbed myself.
Posted by mike  on  Tue Mar 14, 2006  at  05:12 PM
i think the life in china (including people) is just too worthless...they like to kill whatever they want. People and animals to them are the same. But this B*tch, she should watch out one day that she might can be bited by someone like she killed the cats.
Posted by godbless you  on  Wed Mar 15, 2006  at  03:01 PM
I was researching this news when I came accross the whole video:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitten_killer_of_hangzhou

Be warend, as the video is very disturbing. After viewing it, there is no doubt in my mind that it is real and that some sick fuck DID kill a defenceless kitten for no reason.

ONLY CLICK ON THE LINK IF YOU ARE PREPARED MENTALLY, as the video is very disturbing.

PAPER8
Posted by PAPER8  on  Sat Mar 18, 2006  at  07:57 AM
I ve watched the first 15 seconds again. this cat is definetly not full conscious.

a) ever seen a cat like that hanging around in the hands of that bitch? it looks like asleep/dead or heavily sedated

b) the cat s front legs are twitching when she steps on the hind legs. but still the cat doesn t seem to make any effort of running away. i don t know too much about medicine, but couldn t it be a reaction after death (like headless running chickens)? if you ever stepped on a cat s tail by accident you know what i mean ... this cat s definetly NOT full consciuos.

i don t want to euphemise anything here, but I just cannot sleep anymore as long as I m not sure that this cat was sedated or dead.
Posted by aeiou  on  Sat Mar 18, 2006  at  08:22 AM
aeiou: true, but it could also be, that some bones of the cat were broken, so that she couldn't run away. but then again, the cat's eye look very strange.
Posted by mike  on  Sat Mar 18, 2006  at  09:47 AM
Wow, what a shame. In a country where the government kills 3000 per annum in their jails officially by firing squad you people worry about a kitten being impaled? Good grief, we are indeed lost.
Posted by Zeth  on  Sun Mar 19, 2006  at  04:03 AM
That movie is dispicably so definately real, i watched it cringingly all the way through! That kitten is indeed sedated or close to death. I used to work at several veternary clinics as an assistant. sometimes when an animal is not properly anaesthetized body parts or its body may twitch/rise or tense up when the scalpel is applied. The glazed distant look of its eye is also related to the anesthetic, the surgeon would put gel in the animals eye to stop it from drying out.

General anaesthetic is made of of two components, one part to paralyse your motor system and the other to knock you out, so your not awake through the trauma. There are other medications that also render the body paralysed where the brain still is fully functional, and it being china, im sure they could have gotten a hold of something anywhere with no real hassle. Also being that she was a nurse, she could picked some up on her way out. I believe it was a mild paralytic drug, as its legs arent quite twitching, the action is larger more distressed, as if it weakly did try to run away. So basically if they wanted to get a real reaction out of that kitten then and there without it fighting back they could, and it probably felt every step of that vile womans heel!

Dubbing the film from an earlier recording could have also been used, dubbing is not hard, any joe average can do it with the most basic software. and ive used mobile phones with better quality mics that those of digital cameras, even outdoors and noisy bars, so he might just have a good mic. The sounds are definately from a real cat in pain or distress though. So guess its up to you whether you believe the voice is from that kitten or another. It coould have even been recorded from them torturing it when it was fully conscious before hand.

Once again it is china and people disappear by the thousands, so I sincerly hope that some extreme chinese activists did pick her out of the population, and give her a taste of the "type of experience. We wouldn't understand."!!!
Posted by gericka  on  Sun Mar 19, 2006  at  07:21 AM
Let me at the woman who did this sick act!!whats the matter with some people!!!F****** sick
Posted by Let me kill the b****  on  Sun Mar 19, 2006  at  12:51 PM
Sick b*tch! Who pays to see things like this? This is just WRONG! HOW could she do this?
Posted by Bob  on  Sun Mar 19, 2006  at  05:18 PM
see this one if you think that was bad.
Posted by sleepwalker  on  Tue Mar 21, 2006  at  05:06 AM
forgot the link....

http://media.snuffx.com/x/red-gru65fhfgrh/mar20/snuffx-dot-com-peta-investigation-in-china.wmv
Posted by sleepwalker  on  Tue Mar 21, 2006  at  05:10 AM
What's wrong with you, you fucking retarded or something or just a plain racist? Not all chinese people are like this, but the way your little head thinks, you probably do think this way. Loser!
Posted by PAPER8  on  Tue Mar 21, 2006  at  05:17 PM
sorry guys! Some guy left a racist comment earlier on, but I guess it has been removed and I had to vent my frustration. I just wanna sat that not all chinese people act like the way they do in the video's, this happens to be a minority. There are bound to be bad people around the world, and it just happens that this incident happens to involve chinese people.
Posted by PAPER8  on  Tue Mar 21, 2006  at  05:20 PM
that sick b*tch!!
my fren showed me that vid when i was eating and i puked =.= (anyone could)

one day a sadist would go after her and do the same thing
crushing this and that and popping her eyes out plus squishing her head
(from wad i see in the vid, yeah, its like that)

unsound people go after unsound people
Posted by nick  on  Tue Mar 21, 2006  at  07:51 PM
how could someone do that to a poor animal? don't they have sympathy? that woman should be crushed just like she did to the kitten..it was a KITTEN...dam her...what kind of person are you? if u dun like the kitten...give it away...what they frig would you kill it??? she should be charged...or even locked up for cruelity to animals..honestly...if she could do that to an animal...TO ALL THE PARENTS OUT THERE....SHE COULD DO IT TO YOUR CHILD!!!!!!!!!!! we are all living things...what makes living different between us and animals? nothing..we all live...we all reproduce...we all love our own children...but why did she have to do that?
Posted by doro  on  Thu Mar 23, 2006  at  09:08 AM
paper8: nobody hear made a racist-statement. it's obviously clear to all of us, that not every chinese acts like that. ;P
but there' the problem that china has no animal rights, and that's innacceptable. and to mention that is in no way racistic.

Lord Roboboy: in fact, the woman is from china, not japan. 😛
Posted by mike  on  Thu Mar 23, 2006  at  09:52 AM
I removed the comment, and a few others as well.
Posted by Charybdis  on  Thu Mar 23, 2006  at  10:00 AM
chinese rocks...but she is just a disgrace to the human race... and she said it was a good experience....so why is it a good experience???? taking a life..is MURDER...so...if you were to kill a child...you should be
just? is that right??? so if i were to stomp your child in the eyeball...and then use my heel to crush its
body..and crush their head until their eyeball pops and squishes out...it must be a good experience?!?! is
that right??? common comment here!!!!!!
Posted by kels  on  Thu Mar 23, 2006  at  02:17 PM
what i got to say?? like everyones major point...WE ALL HATE YOU! i mean.. WAT DID THAT HOSPITAL TRAIN YOU TO BECOME?! oh OHH YEAH..beware PATIENTS. she might have a bad day and wear her stitello shoes, and come step on ur head and squish ur eyeballs out. .O u see how theres only one eyeball? yeah..she squished it out. DID YOU ASK NOT TO GO TO WORK???? SO U COULD GO KILL A CAT!?!??! well yeah... YOU NEEDED A GOOD EXPERIENCE.. -__-" i mean.. ITS A FREE WORLD, so i mean if i wear my boots... i could just u know CRUSH YOUR BIG HEAD UNDER MY BIG FOOT. right? YEAH IT WILL BE A GOOD EXPERIENCE lady... such a disgrace, HEY? i got a question did u get fired yet? or are you trying to tell them that it waS A GOOD experience..and that they should come join u and kill cats. DDONT HAVE KIDS, YOU MIGHT KILL THEM.
Posted by this1catkillerhater  on  Thu Mar 23, 2006  at  02:27 PM
um actually Paper8 yeah all chinese ppl are like aat least 3/4 of them have u not noticed what goes on in china all the animal cruelty n thats just because they dont have animal rights there and actually aprove of animal cruelty
Posted by Keyra  on  Sat Mar 25, 2006  at  08:36 PM
oh and by the way i couldnt care less if u say im racist its just my opinion about chinese ppl and im allowed to think what i want. and i have never liked them whatsoever
Posted by Keyra  on  Sat Mar 25, 2006  at  08:40 PM
I really do hope this is photshopped.

Here's the video...
http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=54748&type=1&page=2
Posted by Krystal  on  Sun Mar 26, 2006  at  12:09 AM
How can some of you people still believe that that was photoshoped! Even when you've seen it, surely this generation would be more savy to tell te difference between whats real and fake, even with poor quality footage.

i seriously dont mean to be rude or techified but its really getting on my nerves. Using a computer to create anything similar to that movie would be highly inefficient for the filmakers/producers, mundanely time consuming and so goddam costly i doubt anyone bar big buck blockbuster standards wud pay for it. it would take months, 24/7 to photoshop a moving image perfectly. and you wouldnt use photoshop, there are hundreds of applications that would do the job.
Posted by gericka  on  Sun Mar 26, 2006  at  06:29 AM
Keyra you must not get out much, because from what you are saying, it seems like every 4th chinese person that you pass along the street inhumane and likes to torture animals! Man you are free to say what you want, but at least think before you say shit like that. There are poeple who are cruel to animals all around the world, whites, blacks, indian, chinese. Every race has fuck ups who do fucked up things, you can't just group people together just because of their skin.

You got some serios issues if you hate a person just because the color of their skin. How can you judge a person before even seeing them or getting to know them.

What you said can be seen as pretty racist to be perfectlly honest, but at the same time I feel sorry for you because you are narrow minded and from your comments it does seem that you live in your own little world where the majority of chinese people like to torture little animals in their spare time.

China does not have animal rights, but does that mean that just because they have animal rights people won't do it! Don't be stupid. Rape is against the law people still do it, robbery is against the law people still do it. There are just bad people and bad people will just do shit like that.

Anyway I'm not gonna comment on this anymore because there's no point in trying to explain anything to anyone who has ideas set in their heads already.

What heppend in the video is bad, I'm not denying it, but there are worse things happening in the world for us to get so worked up on this few minutes clip. What has been done is done, it can't be erased and it will happen again, so just wacth the clip and just understand that shit like that happens and not turn it into a race thing, as shit like this happens everyday! NOT JUST IN CHINA!

I'm in the U.K and the other week there was a picture in the papers of a dog chained to a tree and set alight! Shit like that just happens.
Posted by PAPER8  on  Mon Mar 27, 2006  at  08:11 AM
i guess.... maybe she could have been a single mother....and her kid had a terminal illness....and they had no money for food.... so she could have taken the cat home for dinner
Posted by ericka  on  Mon Mar 27, 2006  at  08:16 AM
ericka: yeah, could have been. but it wasn't. so read the facts
Posted by mike  on  Mon Mar 27, 2006  at  08:31 AM
mike: read the sarcasim
Posted by gericka  on  Mon Mar 27, 2006  at  08:45 AM
lllllllllpppppppppp,

you're not seriously saying you think bonsai kittens are real are you??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Trotsky  on  Wed Mar 29, 2006  at  07:16 PM
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