MOH Forum: Can pigs be used to discourage Terrorists’?????

Can pigs be used to discourage Terrorists’?????
Posted By: X in McKinney, TX Jul 07, 2005	From Snopes <b>Claim:</b> General John J. Pershing effectively discouraged Muslim terrorists in the Philippines by killing them and burying their bodies with pigs. http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm Category: History, Religion, Terrorism; Replies: 32

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X in McKinney, TX Member	Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 \| 09:29 AM I don't see the harm in doing this......We should give it a try....But then all the animal activists will crawl out of the wood work, and religious activist will find their way as well.
LaMa in Europe Member	Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 \| 09:30 AM I think such things would only spark more outrage, resent and more violence. See what happened after news reports of alleged Quran dessecrations at Guantanamo Bay.
X in McKinney, TX Member	Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 \| 09:37 AM Well, we wouldn't know that until we try it. If what they claim is true, I think it is worth a try.
Mort in Just left of centre Member	Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 \| 09:41 AM Me too Stephen, especially after today. Can't we just use one of those planes that puts out fires to fly over the Afghan mountains and dump gallons of Piggy gibblets on them?
X in McKinney, TX Member	Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 \| 09:51 AM Hmmmm, your pretty morbid. Thats a good idea.
Mort in Just left of centre Member	Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 \| 09:57 AM Thanks. I try my best! 🧛
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 \| 10:29 AM hmm...Mort doesn't have a bad idea. Fire up the engines. 😝
Mort in Just left of centre Member	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 \| 03:57 AM Thanks Maeg, and i thought you were such a nice lady too!
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 \| 07:46 AM Well, considering the fact that these terrorists keep violating other Islamic prohibitions, such as alcohol and KILLING, it seems highly unlikely to deter today's terrorist.
Gatti	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 \| 10:08 AM That's wrong and disgusting on so many levels. John J. Pershing is a disturbed man.
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 \| 10:56 AM Okay Gatti, here goes. You've automatically assumed that a rumor is true. There is no evidence that Pershing ever actually did this. If you had read the article fully you would be aware of this. Therefore, you can't condemn him for something that he may or may not have done. On the other hand, if this is true then so what? If it works and saves lives then I don't see a problem with it. It's not as if a terrorist gives a rat's ass about their victims, so why should they be shown the same courtesy? They were going to be executed anyway so if a few pigs saved them from having to execute others it was worth it. Assuming, of course, that any of it really happened the way it's been stated.
Gatti	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 \| 11:55 AM I read the whole article, and yes, I was responding like the article was true, but I don't necessarily believe it. Sorry bout that. I know terrorists dun care about there victims, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. The way the article was described, that Pershing forced them to dig there own graves while he threatened them wit pigs...I dunno, there's just somethin wrong about that, even if they were terrorists. If your gonna scare em, you should at least do it with more dignity. Muslims don't like bein cremated for instance, and that's less disgusting and disturbing than dumping pig remains on someone. If the article is true, Pershing is just as bad as a terrorist himself. YMMV, of course.
X in McKinney, TX Member	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 \| 03:17 PM Chary, almost all of them seem to really avoid pork. That is a ticket that will keep them out of heaven from all the 900 virgins...I think it will work.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 \| 12:42 AM What if we found out that some of our soldiers were being forced to give up Jesus and have 666 tatooed on their foreheads? We would be outraged, even if these soldiers had killed innocent children. The proposal of the story is bullshit, and if enforced would cause only more tension.
French Canadian	Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 \| 01:14 AM I think we should eradicate the terroristssssshhh..
Gatti	Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 \| 06:34 AM Exactly, Citizen Premier.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 \| 02:08 AM My idol, the late Frank Zappa, once said that the answer to the terrorism problem might be to spray their strongholds with "Pork Cologne." The intention, obviously, would be to make them think that they wouldn't go to Heaven (I don't know the Arabic word for their version of it). The loss of the incentive to be a suicide bomber might curtail the activity. Yes, I agree, of course, that the reverse of such a thing would absolutely outrage the Christians of the world.
Snowy in aeternum Member	Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 \| 11:29 AM I think they call it Paradise, but I am by no means an expert.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 \| 12:03 PM Come to think of it, I doubt that most Muslims would believe that if they were buried in pigskins or some such silly thing, it would keep them from Paradise. And those that think dying for Allah is the greatest service wouldn't think they'd be kept out of heaven for a minor infraction that was forced upon them. "Thou shalt not eat pork" isn't one of the ten commandments. Still, they would see it for what it is, a direct attack on their religion and culture, and even more a reason for fighting occupation forces, or killing civilians. And don't forget that our pet, Israel, just might take offense to pork bombs!
Andy	Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 \| 12:36 PM From the Qu'ran, 16th Sura ("The Bee"): <P> <I>He has only forbidden you what dies of itself and blood and flesh of swine and that over which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.</I> <P> Similar wordings can be found in other chapters, which further clarify this as to mean "It is forbidden to eat swine or anything which has died of natural causes (or has not been blessed by Allah), but if it is forced upon you, Allah will forgive you." <P>This is why the Pershing legend is just that- an Urban Legend. Any sufficiently learned Imam or Mullah would have no problems negating any imagined consequences of Muslims being buried with pigs; the more probable reaction would be to engender a severe backlash which would further the terrorists aims. <P>A closer comparison to the Pershing story would be to the oft-repeated tale of Gulf War I Iraqi propaganda telling American GI's that Bart Simpson was making love to their wives. Except the difference here is that the terroists don't have a sense of humor for cultural misunderstandings.
DFStuckey	Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 \| 01:23 AM I'm thinking that this whole story is based on the real-life cause of the Sepoy mutiny, when the native troops in India turned upon the British colonials; Much of their resentment was limited until someone started a rumour that the lubricant on the cartridges their British-issued rifles fired was a mixture of pork and beef fat - Which offended the dietary strictures of both Muslims and Sikhs respectively, as one had to bite the end off the wrapper of a cartridge before loading it. Actually, the lubricant was a primitive form of Petroleum jelly. Nevertheless, it still led to some pretty nasty massacres.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 \| 02:51 AM Hmm, I was going to mention that, but I couldn't remember the name. The British and the Muslim's didn't get along well at that time, and in fact the British had special pointed Gatling gun bullets for Turks, as opposed to the smooth bullets they used for Christians. Just a random fact I thought I'd mention so I look smart.
stork in the distinct absense of Saudi Arabia	Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 \| 07:05 PM Not to get too far off subject; but, when my unit was leaving S.A. three months after Desert Storm, it fell upon me to distribute about 14,000 cases of Army MRE's to the local populace(cost ineffective to ship back to the U.S.). We chose to give them to the local trash collectors in the compund across the street from our firebase, as they had helped us a lot with our rubbish for 4 months. The compound was filled with Muslims and Hindus. I was chosen for this honor, as I spoke a little German, which some of them did, also. It was quite an interesting briefing that I held for their leaders, explaining exactly which MRE packages (labeled in English, which none of them could read) contained beef, forbidden for Hindus, and which contained pork, forbidden for Muslims. In the end, I think they were just grateful for the effort. Who knows what happened to those 28 pallets of MRE's?
stork, again	Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 \| 07:11 PM Sorry, that was 4,000 cases on 28 pallets, not 14,000. Still, a lot of food.
Citizen Premier in spite of public outcry Member	Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 \| 07:29 PM What about the Mundus and Hislims? Did they just have to starve to death?
DFStuckey	Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 \| 01:59 AM A nice attempt, Citizen Premier, but it has the reverse effect. The square bullets for Turks was not a British deal, but an Italian one, on orders from the Pope. And it was the aerlier Mittraluese not the Gatling. Similar to the earlier Papal decree that triangular-aspect crossbow bolts or quarrels were so damaging they could not be used against human targets, only animals and Muslims.
DFStuckey	Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 \| 02:01 AM I think starving might be preferable to eating MREs in the long run. Besides, aren't they contaminated with GE corn like the food aid Mugabe rejected? 😊
Maegan in Tampa, FL - USA Member	Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 \| 05:45 AM I dunno, I always sort of liked MREs. When they started putting Tobasco sauce in 'em it made them great. You could barely taste it after that!! My mom used to get them for me to go camping on... Anywho, in case anyways missed it...I was JOKING in my own earlier post. Sheesh. :roll:
Wulf	Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 \| 11:39 PM I had over 200 Iraqi's on my base in FWD Iraq. There were sunni's and shiite both working there. After one of the busloads was stopped en route to the base by insurgents and those aboard were slaughtered- We made an encampment (apart from our own) for the workers. Early on we had only MRE's at times and believe me- Most of them wanted nothing to do with them for fear of eating pork. I will tell you- It may not be the answer to all of this - but it is a deterrent- It would put a psychological spin in their heads. I say if someone is a terrorist- there is no amount of mercy required. When you begin to think of mercy- recall your fallen comrads, brothers, fathers, innocents on either side. Recall the IED that sent piece of your vehicle (or worse) flying. I say we wrap em all in bacon, put pigs blood in the tigris and euphrates river. Wipe out anyone even willing to harbor these cowards. **oh- and the 71 virgins- well, they are all male goats waiting in hell for these scumbags. WULF- Out ps. Hey DFStuckey- U guys have some brave kiwi soldiers I've met from over there- thanks
Cranky Media Guy Member	Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 \| 01:05 AM Wulf said: "I say if someone is a terrorist- there is no amount of mercy required. When you begin to think of mercy- recall your fallen comrads, brothers, fathers, innocents on either side. Recall the IED that sent piece of your vehicle (or worse) flying." I certainly can understand how you feel about your fallen comrades, but are you talking about vengeance against ALL Iraqis, regardless of whether they are actually terrorists, on the grounds that since they are Iraqis, they COULD be terrorists and therefore, "Kill 'em all. Let God sort 'em out"? THAT I would have to strongly disagree with, to say the least. "I say we wrap em all in bacon, put pigs blood in the tigris and euphrates river." Yes, that is obviously exaggeration, but it does suggest, at least to me, that you ARE talking about fucking over ALL Iraqis because SOME of them are terrorists. That's simple-minded thinking.
oyna	Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 \| 01:59 AM it works and saves lives then I don't see a problem with it. It's not as if a terrorist gives a rat's ass about their victims
oyunlar	Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 \| 12:41 PM On the other hand, if this is true then so what? If it works and saves lives then I don't see a problem with it. It's not as if a terrorist gives a rat's ass about their victims, so why should they be shown the same courtesy? They were going to be executed anyway so if a few pigs saved them from having to execute others it was worth it. Assuming, of course, that any of it really happened the way it's been stated.

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