Boo
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 02:55 PM
Just before people kick in on this, I'd like to ask you to define the 'christian's god' in more specific terms. Not all christians agree on what god is, or does, so please; define it. |
Lindsay
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 03:32 PM
Im talking about God Jesus and the holy spirit being God...the three head you know.. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 04:50 PM
The three headed dog from Hades? |
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 04:52 PM
And before the flames really start...
No, I can't prove you God isn't real. In fact I can't prove any god isn't real.
I presume, therefore they all are? |
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 05:02 PM
Well, Lindsay, what would you accept as proof against God's existence? If one were to prove that a fact in the bible is false, would that mean your God doesn't exist? I assume this is so since God vouches that the bible is 100% accurate. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 05:15 PM
no...lol the three head is a commonly used term in the bible for God Jesus and the Holy Spirit
lol if the bible isnt real then God never said that did he. therefore we dont no wat God has said unless he says it to us.
People have changed the text of the bible show me the flaw in the orginal writing and possibly the bible is not accurate..doesnt mean hes not real though just means that nothing can be certain anymore |
Lindsay
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 05:22 PM
"No, I can't prove you God isn't real. In fact I can't prove any god isn't real.
I presume, therefore they all are?"
well i dont becuase the God that I worship has communicated with me..not the other Gods. I do believe the bible so I believe as the bible says my God is above all other "gods".
can anyone disprove my God? He is real until proven otherwise. |
Boo
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 05:26 PM
Nope, he's a figment of your imagination until proven otherwise.
The onus of proof is on you. |
Lindsay
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 05:52 PM
lol i dont need to show proof right now..u guys havent said anything of value. u need to show me proof as to why my God isnt real. thats the topic. Can you tell me?
wow God's use as an imaginary friend must be terribly overused. Considering there are 2.1 billion christians in the world as of now. Take all of the people who believed in God from all of time and add that on. if God is not real than what i have would mosly likely be Schizophrenia ...we should notify medical experts of this... we need help Schizophrenia is much more widespread throughout the world than previously thought. Maybe we need a medical break through here..wow i should be scared..maybe youre a figment of my imagination to...i must have this really bad cuz ive said before God is more real to me than you...how scary
either all of these ppl that have died for christ, would die for christ, believe with all of their heart that God is real, and/or have had an experince with God are crazy...or youre wrong...
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 07:03 PM
"lol i dont need to show proof right now..
u guys havent said anything of value. u need to show me proof as to why my God isnt real. thats the topic."
Umm.....No actually, before anyone can even really try you have to define what you'll accept as proof. Until you do the burden is still all yours.
btw: you assume that every one of the 2.1 billion that declare themselves christian had the same experience as you. More likely, a large chunk are christian because everyone around them is and they haven't really ever thought of other possibilities. Not to mention the chunk who figure they have "nothing to lose if they're wrong", or the group like me who believe because they feel an emotional connection but don't want to declare it "PROOF!".
Besides that, last estimates put the world population at somewhere around 6.5 billion. So by your logic(or lack thereof), either 2.1billion are Schizophrenic, or the other 4.4billion are.... |
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 07:36 PM
nice lol
ya i did figure that not all of them had the experince and i should of put it in but i didnt o well most of the christians i have talked to have had some sort of encounterment with God, even if it was only once or only one small second during a prayer
no..there is a percentage that are Schizophrenic but not all of the 4.4 claim to have encounterments with supernatural beings.
in my mind nothing can disprove God but I want to know if anyone can so idk wat i would concider proof until someone puts something. If you think that you can then put it on here. i guess itll be decided if its proof or not... |
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 09:11 PM
Oh, for "God's" sake - Don't either of you know that the essence of faith is to truly believe that which cannot be proven? Why labor over it? The believers are going to believe; and the non-believers are going to ignore it. Get over it; that's life, etc. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 10:03 PM
but the believers (which I am one) want the non-believers to believe! Get it! |
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 | 11:30 PM
ok god gave u something? he helped you in some way? well why did millions of people die in the tsunami? did he blink and miss it or what??
god says all gays should be killed. wow thats an awesome person 2 worship.
god says that all witches should be killed. wow ur god killed tones of innocent women.
hmmm noah slaugtered some animals for no apparent reason and god was pleased. very nice.
all these and more can be found in the
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html |
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 12:24 AM
right
1 for every action there is an effect. for every sin there is a consquence. Who can compare these two if it helps you to understand. When you sin that sin will not just vanish..something will happen becuase of that sin and the bible says that the sons will pay for the fathers crime. Basically without having to go through many scpriture I can tell you that the bible leads us to believe that sin is passed down the blood line. This means that every sin from adam and eve down to the first sin being commited by the newest born child is going to have conesequences. Sin= bad things. bad htings happen because of sin
2 God will not do anything on the Earth unless someone asks him to. God gave the Earth to adam and eve. he wont take away free will by doing something on earth without someone asking him to. When adam and eve commited the first sin it was like they were handing the earth to the devil. Therefore the devil reigns over the Earth unless God intervenes...but we have to ask him first..thus the importance of prayer and faith.
3 bad things will happen. if there was no hate there would be no love. if there was no evil there would be no good. if you never new sadness then you would never no joy. bad things must happen or we will live bland lives and never grow. our pains make us stronger and teach us things. dont blame God for millions of people dying..blame the devil hes ruling over the planet now (and yes God will take it back after the 7 years of tribulation which shows signs of being soon so if millions of ppl just kinda disapear then thats why lol)
God does not state in the bible that gays should be killed nor does he say that witches should be killed. God created adam and eve for each other. Man and woman for each other. not man and man and woman and woman. Which means that being gay is actually a sin. but sins are not measured by their gravity nor are good deeds. God willnot condem one man to death for loving another man and allow another man who lied to live if neither men have asked for forgiveness. a sin is a sin. Either you sin or you dont sin. In Gods eyes there is no different degree of sin. (cept for the unforgivable sin) but God sent Jesus to die on the cross for us..pefect blood to wash away our mistakes. If a gay person asks forgiveness for being gay then the blood of Christ will wash away his sin just as it would for a man who lied. Witches preform witchcraft which is not from God and is supernatural. if its supernatural but not from God then its from the devil. therefor its a sin and the same rules apply.
noah did not slaughter them for no apparent reason. they were a sacrifise for his sin. the animals blood washed away his sin..its was a covenant that God shared with his people. Thats why he sent the ultimate sacrifise..the lamb of God..thats why we dont still slaughter animals for offering..we just do it for food and clothing now
blood seems to be symbalic in the bible. it flows through our whole body and keeps us alive. it caries oxygen to our muscles and without it were dead..blood could be described as life ( not gonna go into the whole explanation to long) so life is given for our sins and thats why there are sacrifises for the blood.
im sorry that is a very breif explanation of a few things but to go into depth would take up to much space |
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 12:34 AM
stork in the absence of sense..God told us to go out and spread the good news so if your telling us to shut up then im sry we cant. besides we dont want people to go to hell
the whole point of this thread is that athiest awlays want proof that there is a God. their way of thinking is that there is no God until proven otherwise. seeing as how i have communicated with God i think it should be that God is real until proven otherwise. if you think that you have real proof that my God cannot exist then please put it on here but if you cant then say so becuase so far no one i have ever talked to can tell me why God cannot be real..wonder why that is |
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 01:32 AM
" Oh, for "God's" sake - Don't either of you know that the essence of faith is to truly believe that which cannot be proven? "
Umm. I fear I've been misconstrued here. I only stuck my nose in because it pained me to see logic being abused in such an awful way.
I truly don't care who believes in anything. And I am certainly not interested in trying to talk anyone around to the existance of god.
Honestly, if the argument has to go on, any burden of proof must to be on Christianity to prove that their god exists. The idea that it could be the other way around is absurd.
Any religion is a deeply personal matter of belief and belief alone. Attempts to claim objective proof for the existence of god merely demean science and embarrass religion. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 02:04 AM
I believe in kobolds and Santa Claus. Please prove to me that they don't exist. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 02:23 AM
Lindsay, have you ever heard of a "Muslim?" Have you ever asked one of them if they've spoken to God? Have you ever heard of a "Hindu?" Or a "Buddhist?"
I wish I could remember the exact quote, or who said it, but it's something like:
"I feel that we are both atheists, but I simply have one less god than you. When you realize why you have rejected all other gods, then you will know why I am an atheist." |
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 02:42 AM
Ooo here we go
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-- Stephen Roberts |
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 07:39 AM
Fascinating quote CP, thank you. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 08:02 AM
God exist only on Faith. Even in the Bible it states that no one should worship any other God BEFORE him. Since the words in Hebrew here when translated can have 5 different meanings, they still state that other Gods' do exist. Since the Catholic church was quite talented at chosing which gospels to include in the bible out of hundreds of gospels (a fact most christians don't know), the rest of the book only focuses on 1 GOD.
Alexander the great (Who WAS the one that destroyed the tower of Babble) worshiped the GOD Zeus, as many did, and honestly believed that God (Zeus) existed and showed proof of that God based on faith alone, by being an outstanding conquerer.
So, as I stated earlier, GOD is what you believe God is. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 08:03 AM
You could worship a rock and call it God, and great thing will still happen based on that faith.
Also not all christian religions believe that "The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost" are 1 entity. For example, some Penticostal religions believe they are 3 seperate entities to where other Christian religions believe they are 3 seperate personalities of God. Then there are those that believe, as yourself, 1 in the same. Confusing??? Wellllllllllll......Thats how most religions has to be to keep people like you in check. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 10:15 AM
"Umm. I fear I've been misconstrued here. I only stuck my nose in because it pained me to see logic being abused in such an awful way."
thats real nice lol maybe wen im an adult i wont abuse logic in such awful ways ive got a long time to work on not being a stupid kid.
why is it that christians have to burden of proof?
sir stephen the only great thing that would happen with a rock is that it could skip across water but youre right in the sense that ppl will make Gods outta anything..if the rock is talking to billions of people then maybe its more than just a rock.
if you want to argue about the other religions then do it in a place where its already kinda being argues.."how did jesus really die?" is the thread
soooo is it agreed that you cannot disprove God? im still waiting for proof. the reason that i made this topic is becuase someone told me that they could disprove it but christians never listened. so im listening |
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 | 10:28 AM
As I said earlier....The only proof comes from Faith. It will never be prooved or dis-prooved. Religion can be a great thing, a very personal thing which holds many people together. I would never discourage religion for personal gratification. I share my own opinions, and nothing more. I hope no one ever dis prooves the existance of the Christian God, many people need that faith and if taken away, the world as we know it would face a destruction never seen by humans alike. |
