Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 09:23 AM
You're American...You can't be Sir.
But you can pay 20 pounds to become a Lord.
Lord Kevin Spacey is. One. A Lord. |
Maegan
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 09:26 AM
Also...
Knighthood has honored people like Sir Paul McCartney, Dame Maggie Smith, and Rudy Giuliani. Other monarchies and even the French Republic award knighthoods. There are also fraternal organizations that refer to their members as knights, such as Knights of Columbus, a Catholic lay order, and the Knights Templar, a Masonic order.
The sovereign of the United Kingdom (currently Queen Elizabeth II) is traditionally referred to as the "fountain of honour," the source of titles such as knighthoods, awarded in recognition of service. Various honorific orders exist, but not all of them include knighthood. Recipients of the four highest orders, including the Order of the Garter, are personally chosen by the sovereign. The Cabinet Office of the U.K suggests the rest of the honorees for the sovereign's approval.
Anyone can nominate a <b>British citizen</b> for knighthood or other royal honors (although self-nomination is discouraged).<i>This means YOU, Stephen.</i> Nominations from the public account for about a quarter of all recommendations. The Prime Minister and government departments usually submit the rest of the recommendations for the biannual Honors List.
The Order of the British Empire is perhaps the most common knighthood given today. It's frequently awarded to civilians for <b>public service and contributions to the nation.</b> Many British scientists, educators, doctors, nurses, charitable and social workers, business people, athletes, writers, actors, musicians, and artists have received this distinction.
<b>Foreign nationals can also be knighted, but they are not allowed to use the title "Sir" or "Dame" before their names (sorry, Rudy), although they can add "KBE" after their names. </b> The U.K. Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs usually nominates foreigners for knighthood and similar honors. Foreign knighthoods are conferred based on a person's contribution to relations between their country and Britain. |
X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 09:33 AM
Well, that doesn't explain Elton John or Mick Jagger. |
Boo
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 09:36 AM
Ooh, ooh!
Anybody want to nominate me?
😊
I believe Elton John and Mick Jagger were knighted for their 'services to the country'. I suppose that means they attract tourism or some such nonsense. |
X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 09:44 AM
Oh,Im sure Elton did some "Servicing" ! |
LaMa
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 09:45 AM
I think it was because they played for Charles and the kids once a while |
X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 10:17 AM
My Title has now been upgraded. I now feel like That guy that was Emperor of America! |
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 10:35 AM
Stephen, Emperor Norton was a friend of mine, and you, Sir, are no Emperor Norton... emperor penguin, maybe |
X
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 10:40 AM
Rrrrright....Like we are supposed to believe you had a friend. |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 01:45 PM
Stephen,
Not that you give a shit about anyone else's opinion... but things like nominating yourself for a title (whether you deserve said nomination or not) or using a title you're not entitled to is reminiscent of an Evildream antic. You aren't in his peer group are you?
Every time I see your name now it makes me wonder what you're thinking. Not even people who actually carry that title go around sticking it on everything they can.
You aren't a little attention hound like our little buddy Evildream are you? If not, then what's the purpose of knighting yourself (which is bad enough) but then repeatedly showing it off??? It takes away from your credibility as a MOH moderator... but then again, the screening process for that title is becoming deeply suspect.
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Smerk
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 | 06:39 PM
Boo, I'll nominate you if you'll nominate me (I can get a knighthood thanks to my folks being poms)...I'll supply my own sword too! :cheese: |
Boo
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 02:18 AM
Smerk, that's a deal!
😉 |
Smerk
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 02:41 AM
Okay, so how do we go about nominating people now? |
Rod
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 02:59 AM
<a href="http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20020501.html">How exactly does one get knighted?</a>
Unfortunately, the 'nominate' link on the page does not work.
So I've really been no help, now, have I?
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Rod
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 03:04 AM
Well, lookie <a href="http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/ceremonial/nominations/index.asp">here</a>.
Guess I hit submit aboot five minutes too soon.
:cheese: |
Smerk
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 05:29 AM
Thanks Rod! Now, Boo, I need all your personal details...and why do we think you should be nominated for a knighthood? :cheese:
Jeez, the Welsh are so bizarre, they had to list a separate form just for them! :lol: |
Boo
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 06:32 AM
All my personal details, eh?
What do you want to know?
Credit card details?
And...I save damsels and that. Does that make me eligable for being knighted? |
Nettie
in Perth, Western Australia
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 06:40 AM
Boo, you may save damsels but who saves you??? |
Smerk
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 06:41 AM
Do you have a sword? If not, I could lend you one...Sorry, but knight is synonomous with sword for me... |
Nettie
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 07:01 AM
And dragons. Do you have a dragon? |
Nettie
in Perth, Western Australia
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 07:01 AM
He he he, Smerk has a dragon!!!! Smerk, can I borrow your dragon? |
Smerk
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 07:07 AM
No, he's all mine! Go find your own dragon...
Here's something funny about Elton John - when he changed his name, his full name was changed to Elton Hercules John! :lol: |
Smerk
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 07:09 AM
Besides, my dragon is a Chinese dragon...they're very friendly, and the worst damage they do is cause a few rainstorms if unhappy. I don't know why this one is breathing fire, cause they're not supposed to. (I suppose that's microsoft for you) |
Charybdis
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 07:21 AM
Here in the States we don't have any cool official titles, but we do have some unofficial ones.
I hereby nominate Stephen. Henceforth He shall be known as...
Sir, The Bastard, Stephen.
:cheese:
Sorry Stephen, I couldn't resist "poating" holes in your pomposity. |
Just a random guy
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 07:39 AM
You can always snag the luck dragon from The Neverending Story, although it probably couldn't take Smerk's 2d firebreathing dragon since it's really hairy and flammable 😛 |
X
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 | 08:09 AM
Why must you all anger me. It's not good to anger me!!!!
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Boo
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 | 03:10 AM
I do have an old fencing sword that I bought at a jumble sale. Not sure it's quite appropriate, but what the hey, it'll do.
I don't have a dragon, but I know this guy, right, and he knows this guy who can get me one cheap...
😜 |
X
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 | 07:29 AM
You know, I was watching that movie "First Knight" the other day and came to a conclusion that Richard gear wasn't the best pick for that movie. Something about him doesn't really put the fear of God in people. |
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 | 08:51 AM
just in case anybody remembers the initial question...
people are generally knighted for outstanding contributions to their chosen field, so sir elton and sir mick have been given the title in honour of their "outstnding" contributions to the music industry. (ahem)
the whole process is extremely beaurocratic nowadays and basically civil servants process the nominations...
at least it gives the queen something to do i guess.... |
X
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 | 09:07 AM
I see, that actually answers my initial question. |
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 | 02:28 AM
Are citizens of Australia, New Zealand etc eligable for knighthood? Can they be called "Dame...."? |
Captain Al
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 | 11:58 AM
Sir Edmund Hillary is from New Zealand I believe. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 | 11:59 AM
Then there's Americas Cup winner, Sir Peter Blake, also from N.Z. |
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 | 12:02 PM
How did he win an America cup, if he's from NZ? |
X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 | 12:26 PM
Yeah, and he is knighted as well. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 | 04:18 PM
"How did he win an America cup, if he's from NZ?"
That's what the Americans would like to know. |
Smerk
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 | 06:26 PM
:roll:
Don't forget that the Aussies won an America's cup too! Although I don't think anyone ended up titled out of it...one guy ended up in jail for dodgy dealings though... |
Captain Al
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 | 06:59 PM
Smerk, maybe they can award you a retroactive knighthood for Australia's America's Cup win. |
Smerk
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 | 08:46 PM
He,he...that'd be good. I was only 3 at the time!! |
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 | 10:03 AM
elton john was knighted for his charity work and his campaign to raise the awareness of the AIDS disease. Mick Jagger initially declined his knighthood, and only accepted it at a personal request from prince charles - he maintains that he never deserved it though. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 | 01:02 PM
Hello All ,
Just to advise you all that A knighthood was originally given from a knight to a knight and not kings nor queens. This was done in example if a person did an extraordinary deed or excelled on the battlefield and therefor was knighted by another knight. Later this deed was given to the king as in honor to knight persons and or people to become knights.But officially it is still in the hands of a knight to be able to knight another one , it is only a privilege that has been given from knights to the kings and or queens to knight people. This has now stayed for centuries.Same with coat of arms , people can have their arms created as long as the respct of the clors and metals are respected and no need to have it registered with the arms of england , just have it created and have a copy send to yourself in an enclosed enveloped as registered mail and keep it under lock and key , also for the creator that gives your arms , ask him that you can use your arms as you please , therefor you can bear arms , that is the law.
Hope you will enjoy this .
A knight wishes you all well.
Sir Frank B. |
