Katherine
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 04:05 PM
I'm almost sure that that's an elaborate hoax. Click on "Halloween Reclamation": "Boo! I'm John the Baptist, and these are my many exciting exploits." Er...
They also link to our old friends the Landover Baptist Church saying that they're a fraud. Double blind, maybe? Possibly these are the same people behind the LBC? |
Nick
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 04:20 PM
link does nae work. is this the same thing? |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 05:18 PM
The truth is scarier than fiction on this subject, folks. The newly-elected President of my local School Board publically stated during the elections that he supported teaching Creationism alongside Evolution Theory, in order to offer a "balanced" curriculum. Time marches backward. |
Myst
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 05:49 PM
I can't understand why people can't accept the possibility of creationism and evolutionism working together. Some Force ( call it whatever you want) created the universe and then just sat back to see what happened. |
Glamcat
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 06:14 PM
Is this for real???? I have a sickening feeling it might be. I live in the south and I know people like this! |
Glamcat
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 06:18 PM
I totally agree with Myst. I've never understood why the two theories are mutually exclusive. Why is it so hard to believe that God, (or whatever force you believe created the universe) would have built into it a self evolving system? Makes perfect sense to me. :cheese: |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 07:02 PM
We are talking education here, guys. Your line of thinking would require that every lesson on every subject in school be predicated by a statement like: "Yes, one plus one equals two, but God made one, two, and three, therefore one plus one equals two only if you add in God". That's Old Math. I was taught New Math, which says: "one plus one equals two, sometimes, depending upon your speed and distance from Ignorance". Remember, it's 2005, not 1005. They say Faith can't be measured. If that is true, then Faith has no place in Science Class. Faith is fine, even necessary to some, but not all. THAT is the crux of this biscuit. We should all be free to hold our own Faith, free from the constraints or urging of others. Faith and Force are mutually exclusive. I shouldn't force my Faith upon my brothers. Science is FACT. Faith is FAITH. One is undeniable, the other subject to personal interpretation. |
Simon Patfield
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 08:52 PM
Myst, Glamcat,
I do find it hard to believe, but what you're talking about isn't creationism, it's a prime mover; that may be compatible with evolution, but a literal reading of the Christian bible is not. |
Citizen Premier
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 10:51 PM
The website is a hoax, I believe it's been covered somewhere on this site; it's a companion to landover baptist. And I do hope this doesn't become a mega-thread about the horrors of evolution vs. creationism, as that has nothing to do with hoaxes. |
Myst
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 | 12:47 AM
Right you are Citizen Premier, the site was covered by Alex on Tue Dec 07, 2004.
I got to clicking links on the web site posted in this thread and clicked on the have you accepted christ yet button. That silly baby face is what triggered my memory so I dug around the Museum of Hoaxes and found it. Have You Forsaken Jesus Case solved, hoax. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 | 03:46 AM
very funny non the less.
I think it's a hoax, easyest hint low on front page. raising the allosaur.
I totally agree with them tho, saying: This adventure-filled true story will show Creation Science Fair participants that, with just a little spunk and a trowel, even they can overturn decades of Evolutionistic dogma
Get that spunk out... |
Glamcat
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 | 06:23 AM
"I hate spunk"
Lou Grant |
Maegan
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 | 02:33 PM
I feel like evolution is taught in schools as fact, rather than as a theory. If schools urged students to understand what a theory is, and explained things to them, I would have no problem with evolution being taught. But kids are walking away with the thought that "this is what happened!", rather than, "this is the possibility of what happened."
I do remember learning that spontaneous generation (is that the right term?) cannot happen...as in, it was thought that a bag of wheat seeds would CREATE mice, (mice always seemed to end up in the bags during storage) but when they took those wheat seeds & sealed them in a jar...mice were not produced.
I plan on homeschooling my daughter (I was homeschooled), and I will teach her creationism & evolution, but I'll be sure she understands everything she needs to know about 'theory' first. |
The Curator
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 | 02:58 PM
But Maegan, I don't think all theories are equal. There are some theories that are backed up by a huge amount of evidence and research, such as evolution. And then there are 'theories' which aren't really backed up by any evidence, such as Creationism.
Comparing the theory of Evolution to the theory of Creationism seems to me a bit like comparing the theory that infections are caused by bacteria to the theory that infections are caused by witches' curses. They may both be theories, but they're not really equally credible. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 | 03:20 PM
uh oh, major debate coming... |
Nick
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 | 03:24 PM
'debate'? i think you mean 'desperate attempt to make hardcore creationists to see sense' |
Glamcat
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 | 04:11 PM
Uh oh, this could get ugly.
From my experience on these debates you end up hitting your head against a brick wall called "faith". When it comes down to it, faith & logic have nothing to do with eachother so don't even try, you won't get anywhere. |
Glamcat
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 | 04:11 PM
%-P |
Maegan
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 08:58 AM
...I'm not really going to debate anyone, and I do see Alex's point. Trying to explain Creationism to someone who doesn't take the Bible literally is like trying to explain color to a blind person. There was a time in our history when religion was all the rage, then science, then religion...you get the idea. Each time one has dominated things in a way totally unfair to the other. Explain faith? Oh, you can't? Then it must not be real. Explain water? Sure, you take some hydrogen, some oxygen...bam! you've got water, right? It's easy to say something doesn't exist, b/c you can't touch it, or see it. What about Love? People love each other, but could you trap it in tupperware & run tests on it to see what it's made of? People have sex, because they love each other...but where is this love & what does it come from? The heart maybe? This just pushes blood around in your body...there's no REAL explanation for it. It's the same way with God, faith, belief. I fully understand why people think evolution is truly what's happening. I just can't believe that evolution IS what's happening. |
The Curator
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 05:53 PM
No, Maegan is right that evolution is a theory, not a fact. It would be unscientific to call it a fact.
But I don't think Creationism is also a theory.
Theories can be disproven, but Creationism can never be disproven, in the minds of those who believe it, because the only evidence it relies upon is the 'word of God'. Creationism is a faith-based assertion, not a theory. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 05:57 PM
I would just like to go on the record stating that I do not believe in this "love" theory either. As far as I'm concerned it goes right next to Christianity as something that would be nice if it was true, but is actually an invented idea used to help assuage our own fears and insecurities. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 08:42 PM
Well, now we're getting into a semantic dissertation on what constitutes Theory and what constitutes Fact. In my view, Theory is a conglomeration of Facts in which a process can be determined by sequences of events, common characteristics, and expansive molecular osmosis. (When in doubt, mumble. When in America, Baffle them with Bullsh#t) |
Citizen Premier
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 10:32 PM
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp
This should show you damn evolutionists! |
Glamcat
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 10:59 PM
I wonder how different the bible would be if Darwin had existed before the time of Jesus. Hmmm. Gee, is it really no wonder evolution is never mentioned in the bible considering no one had ever THOUGHT of it 2000 years ago?? Imagine how amazed man of 2000 years ago would have been with some of the modern concepts and inventions we now take for granted. Advancements in medicine, technology, understanding of the world we're a part of. Why is there no room for advancement in religion? Why are we still clinging to 2000 year old ideas?!!! What if all of our concepts were based on what people back then believed? What if everything was just a matter of faith?
How long was it before we accepted that the Earth was not at the center of the universe? People were burned alive for being heretics for merely suggesting it. Thankfully there have been some advancements in thought. |
Cod
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 | 03:12 PM
;-P They are both theories, why not teach them both and let the kids decide which they want to believe? I'd like to believe most people would pick the most logical one anyway. |
The Curator
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 | 03:19 PM
I have no problem with teaching kids about Creationism... in a religion class, or maybe even in History class. But teaching it in science class is just wrong. No matter what way you look at it, it ain't a scientific theory. Allow creationism in the science class and next you'll have to allow in astrology, perpetual motion theories, flat earth theory, hollow earth theory, etc., etc.... because, Hey!, they're all theories! |
The Curator
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 | 04:05 PM
The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that hollow-earth theory, which I mentioned above, is actually a pretty compelling theory, and should be taught in science class if creationism is. Consider these points:
1) The theory that the earth is solid has far less evidence to support it than does the theory of evolution. It's not like anyone has been down to the center of the earth to see if it's hollow or solid. Most geologists will admit that exactly what exists at the center of the earth is kind of a mystery.
2) The Bible says that the earth is hollow (I think). Doesn't it mention Hell being down there somewhere?
3) The theory of a hollow earth has a very long scientific pedigree. Edmund Halley himself (after whom the comet is named) believed that the earth was hollow.
So it's clear to me that Hollow-Earth theory deserves a place in the science class. |
Maegan
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 | 12:15 PM
"1) The theory that the earth is solid has far less evidence to support it than does the theory of evolution. It's not like anyone has been down to the center of the earth to see if it's hollow or solid. Most geologists will admit that exactly what exists at the center of the earth is kind of a mystery."
It's nougat. With peanuts. |
Maegan
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 | 12:30 PM
Don't the Jews believe that it's only been 5600 yrs (I can't remember exactly) since the flood? I'm not really sure what gets taught in Israeli schools...as far as what parts of the Old Testament they actually teach. I do know that they learn about the Macabees (the tribe that is responsible for Channukah), and a book of Macabees is actually in the Catholic Bible.
It's hard for me to understand the beginnings of the Bible myself. I haven't been in that part of the teachings for quite a few years. What I was taught was a juvenile version, b/c I was a teenager. I read "Bones of Contention" when I was 15, and afterwards, I just was sure that if someone traced my family line back a million years, they would find Grunt the ape. I actually wanted to be an archaeologist (sp?). I thought I could find the missing link. A few years later I learned about what Catie Frates was writing about. There were so many unexplained parts of Evolution, Creation just seemed to answer more questions.
Like I said before. It's Faith. Even Evolution has a little bit of faith in it. I can't explain Faith. I can't explain God. I can't explain the pain I feel when I think what Hell holds for those who deny themselves Paradise. I don't want this to turn into a religious or scientific debate...I don't mind that is looks like more people believe in Evolution. Fine. I just know that when I look at my daughter, I know there is NO WAY she wasn't put together molecule-by-molecule by a force beyond comprehension. She is not the result of primordial sludge.
I'm done! |
Nick
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 | 02:52 PM
im pretty sure i know some people who are the product of primordial sludge |
Dont mess with this.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 04:36 AM
'Scuse me paul?
You are alive are you not? That's proof
Why cant you just except it, why MUST you always need PROOF?!?!
There is proof.
And yes, evolution is a theory!!!!!
SO IS ALMOST EVERYTHING!!!
FOR ALL YOU KNOW THIS COULD ALL JUST BE A DREAM OF A BRAIN IN A JAR AND YOU DON'T REALLY EXEST (i know it's spelled wrong)
And, this is racisim, making fun of Christians.
It's as racist as calling balck people niggers. |
Boo
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 08:13 AM
Racism means that you are discriminated against because of your race. Not your religion.
Christianity is not a race.
:roll: |
Charybdis
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 08:18 AM
Hey! Some of my best friends are "balck" people.
😜 |
The Curator
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 08:47 AM
Boo, even though i don't think 'dont mess with this' was aware of it, he did inadvertently stumble upon an interesting feature about the concept of race... that it's heavily mixed up with the idea of religion. (I was a TA for a class about the history of race for a couple of semesters, which is why I happen to know this). Apparently the western concept of race evolved out of the medieval christian idea of the differences between christians and non-christians... namely, that christians were fully human whereas non-christians were sub-human (and therefore it was okay to kill them). And still today you see people talking about groups such as the Jews being a different race because of their religion.
Of course, the underlying reality here is that the concept of race has no scientific validity whatsoever. It's a purely social concept. Not a biological one.
Sorry, I slipped into TA mode. That's the end of my lecture. |
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 09:06 AM
True, Alex, true.
However, to me personally, these days those two social concepts are fairly segregated.
The number of splintered factions of Christianity alone suggest that, in general, nowadays religion is so much less defined by the religion of the state that lumping religion and race into one category is an inaccurate portrayal of the global situation.
Gosh, that was a long sentence.
Anyway, just my thoughts.
😜 |
JoeSixpack
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 11:43 AM
Both this link and the Landover site are very elaborate for what they are (toung in cheek hoaxes. They're both hilarious and creepy at the same time. I can't imagine how many hours went into making the sites and maintaining them. Does anyone know who created them? |
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 | 12:16 PM
I actually wrote two mock "reviews" of this site over on my site about a year ago. I found it so amazingly mind numbing that I couldn't resist the urge to have some fun with it. They can be found
<a href="http://shyzer.com/archives/00000216.html"> here</a> and <a href="http://shyzer.com/archives/00000218.html"> here</a> if anybody's bored and has the time.
On another note, my repeated attempts for an interview with this website went unanswered, as were many from our local newspaper. I found the latter of the two odd, because our newspaper was highly conservative. |
oyun oyna
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 | 02:28 PM
it must not be real. Explain water? Sure, you take some hydrogen, some oxygen...bam! you've got water, |
