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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 | 04:59 PM
I looked online, and it looks like they are made in Blackpool - Devonshire Road, Llantarnam (South Wales) and Dublin in Ireland. Maybe it's primarily a British thing. It says it was brought from the US to Britian in 1956, so maybe it was some guy in Maryland's original recipe that never hit it off here and went straight overseas. I know I never heard of them, but the description sounds yummy |
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 | 09:37 AM
I thought Maryland (the state) was named after Mary (Jesus' Mom), and it was Mary's Land. ...maybe the cookies have a religious connection.
OR...Lina could be right. |
The Curator
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 | 11:19 AM
I think that English Muffins can only be found in America. At least my wife assures me that she never once saw English Muffins while growing up in England (maybe they exist there now). So if English Muffins are only in America, it makes sense that Maryland Cookies would only be in England. However, Black Forest Cake can definitely be found in the Black Forest. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 | 11:26 AM
I do, however, like the theory that Maryland doesn't exist, being perfectly willing to consider that that area two blocks away from where I grew up in Washington DC was just a hallucination. I can add it to my growing list of nonexistent places:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/nonexistent_places/ |
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 | 11:47 AM
What about Polish Sausage? (The FOOD.) Does Poland really have that type of (food) sausage? |
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 | 11:54 AM
I would guess that Poland has something like that, since northern Europeans eat a lot of sausages. But I don't think the city of Hamburg had anything like hamburgers until they were brought there by Americans. I'm not sure about Frankfurt and frankfurters. And I think there really is some connection between baloney and the Italian city of Bologna. |
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 | 12:11 PM
English muffins: we have 'em, but we just call them muffins
Frankfurters definitely originate from Frankfurt, and the idea of minced beef shaped into a flattish roundish thing does come from Hamburg.
My particular favourite national item is the French Horn. In France, it is called the 'cor anglais'.....english horn. |
Lina
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 | 04:08 PM
Aren't scones like English mufins? I love the train of thought these threads follow. You would think we were all stoned or something. Not to offend anyone. Pass the chips, please... |
artemys
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 | 04:19 PM
Chips or Crisps? Prawn Cocktail, please. 😊
They are very hard to find in Texas. |
duggan
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 | 01:14 PM
Yes indeedy, we have Maryland Cookies here in Ireland. They are a bit crumbly and are useless for dunking in your tea but otherwise OK. Except for the ones with hazelnuts, those ones are vile. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 | 09:08 PM
I live in Maryland. No, we don't have Maryland cookies. About the closest thing we have are Burger Cookies, which are the greatest cookies ever made. I think they're only made in Baltimore; i've only seen one brand. Imagine a sugar cookie type thing covered in chocolate frosting. More frosting than cookie, in fact. I couldn't find a homepage for the company, but this link mentions them: http://www.sptimes.com/News/011901/SuperBowl2001/Downtown_will_leave_t.shtml |
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 02:28 AM
Frankfurter sausage is only called so in Austria, in Germany they call it Wiener sausage. Maybe nobody wants to identify themself with the lot of rubbish they put into it |
Maegan
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 10:36 AM
Scones are more like a biscuit. English muffins aren't like muffins at all. They're like round toast. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 11:15 AM
...round toast with nooks & crannies.
Also, scones usually have some sort of fruit in them, blueberries, cranberries, & are served with devonshire cream. (I don't know why it's called devonshire cream, it's just homemade whipped cream...unless maybe the idea originally comes from devonshire.) I'm making cranberry scones & cream for my daughter's birthday party on Saturday. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 12:13 PM
Nick! Nooooo!!!! :cheese: French Horn is a term used in English-speaking countries only and us tightly-wound hornplayers HATE that! It's a horn, a cor, a corno, a waldhorn but it's not a French horn. Although there are horns made in France. But the really good ones come from Germany (Alexanders) and Japan (Yamahas) and custom ones come from lots of places for lots of money.
The English horn or cor anglais is a double-reed instrument which is sort of like an oboe on steroids and sounds like a contralto with a head cold. But in a good way.
And I write this will all kinds of affection and only the kindest of intentions. Now I'm really hungry, too... |
duggan
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 12:40 PM
Scones have raisins or sultanas (what ever the difference is). Maegan I think you are describing a Devon Cream Tea which is made with clotted cream and strawberry jam. Very popular in the tourist traps of the English south coast. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 12:49 PM
From a British friend English Muffins are what the Brits call Crumpets |
Nick
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 01:21 PM
no no no crumpets have holes. theyre kind of spongy. muffins, as Maegan put is so eloquently, are 'like round toast'
sorry horn player person. forgive the ignorance of a simple trumpeter. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 02:38 PM
Yes, English Muffins have holes. Lots of little air holes that hold the melted butter, kinda spongy. Mmmmmmmmm.....English Muffin...drooool! |
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 03:33 PM
English muffins are like american muffins, just smaller... http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=muffins&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi
Crumpets are shaped like burgers with holes in, that you cook under a grill and melt butter into (delicious! lol)... http://www.warburtons.co.uk/bakery_snacks/images/recipe-marmite.jpg
Cream teas are lovely and in Devon in summer (great beaches) you can't find a tea shop that DOESN'T sell 'em!... http://www.broadwayhouse.com/creamtea.html - that hasn't got the nicest picture but ah well, can't win 'em all
oh yeah cream teas do origionate from Devon!
You don't want to know why I know so much about cakes but I will tell you anyway! I just had to write a looooooooooong essay on cakes for my English coursework, at least my next piece of work won't make my mouth water so much! |
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 | 03:54 PM
I may have to get me some of them Toppade Muffins. Scrumptious.
Actually, I'm surprised it made it passed both the google filters and my work filters. Now I feel all dirty. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 | 01:28 PM
Yes, That is a picture of what we here in the USA call an English Muffin. Best "store bought" brand is "Thomas's" |
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 | 06:52 PM
NO, wrong again i'm afraid.
An English muffin is very different to an american muffin - the 'round toast' description was closest; american muffins are more like cake than toast. You eat an english muffin hot with lots and lots of butter and possibly jam or melted cheeses.
Also: crumpets have a related species called a pikelet which you only seem to be able to get up north (england, that is), they are like crumpets (with all the holes) but larger and flatter, and in my humble northern opinion much better |
Lord Lucan
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 | 07:32 AM
Could it be the Maryland in Greater London that's being referred to? (It's probably the original one.) |
Nick
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 | 11:56 AM
ooh thats clever. i shouldve thought of that. |
Nick
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 03:24 PM
Elvis lives!
And he has his own brand of bread, crumpets and muffins!
Report from the Guardian
And some complaints |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 03:56 PM
i like buns. And pie. Pie is good. Bun Pie, Mmmm |
Myst
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 | 05:51 PM
Everytime I see this thread I get hungry. You guys are hell on a diet! 😛 |
Maegan
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 | 02:46 PM
Devonshire cream is heavy whipping cream, cream cheese & a bit of sugar...I THINK cream of tartar...I know there was cream of tartar in the scones...so maybe I am confusing that particular ingrediant. But there is no jam in it.
P.S. Homemade scones for the party were FABULOUS! |
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 11:10 AM
What about Polish Sausage? (The FOOD.) Does Poland really have that type of (food) sausage?
Yes, I am an American but I have relatives in Poland. Kielbasa (aka Polish sausage) is real. Although Hillshire Farm does a terrible job of making it. You can get it smoked or fresh. Actually there's lots of different kinds of kielbasa. If you get a chance, go to a Polish deli and try it. It's very addictive. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 04:22 PM
Hey Mike,how bout Berger Cookies from Baltimore? (as in http://www.bergercookies.com/) |
Jo
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 | 11:49 PM
Pikelets are not really like crumpets. They are more like little pancakes (flapjacks) often eaten cold. Confusingly, they are also known as drop scones however remain unrelated to the scone (UK)/biscuit(US).
Just see what confusion emmigration and international communication causes |
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 | 02:37 AM
English muffins aren't like those in your picture, Thunderstruck. American style muffins are cake-like while English muffins are bread.
english muffins
Over here in Australia we call Devon Cream teas - De vonshire Tea. Scones topped with jam and whipped cream. Clotted cream isn't widely available here. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 | 03:22 PM
Thunderstruck - those are American muffins. This is an English (or rather British) muffin (bottom of page):
http://imaginatorium.org/stuff/pagwp.htm |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 | 12:53 PM
There are American style English muffins. They look like round toast. I had a bag of crumpets, and they looked just like the American English muffins. Muffins in general are made sort of in the same fashion as banana bead. It's cake-like.
Saxman, that picture looks like the crumpets I got...and like the Thomas' English muffins (American style, I guess).
This is confusing. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 | 12:56 PM
Lady Fingers, Brownies, and Little Debbies. Just Food For Thought. |
Hairy Houdini
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 | 01:03 PM
For those of you who don't know, Little Debbie is the brand name for sugar-laden, lard-riddled, hydrogenated oil-soaked snack cakes sold here in America at convenience stores. Mmmm-mmmm-mmm.. Most are priced at 25 cents, at least half of what the other cakes cost. Admittedly, Debbies do not match Hostess or Entenman's snacks for quality or flavor, but when you can satisfy a munchies-craved back seat of passengers for 2 dollars, it's a good thing. The scary part is, they even sell Debbie knock-offs at Dollar stores around here. Now we know what happened to Jimmy Hoffa. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 | 11:24 AM
In Scotland a crumpet is like a particularly flat, sweetened pancake with lots of airholes. Also, we are the only people who know how to pronounce "scones" properly! |
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 | 06:37 PM
No! Muffins do not have holes to melt the butter in; that's crumpets. They are not the same thing, which is why it's so weird that they changed 'crumpets' to 'english muffins' when they 'translated' the Harry Potter books into American.
An English muffin (or 'muffin' as we call them) is floury and toasty. You grill or toast it, then cut it in half and butter it.
The more rubber (before grilling) crumpet has many holes to absorb the melting butter. Mmmmm.
You can also buy 'American style muffins', now more commonly called 'muffins', although the confusion in rampant in my house. |
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 | 08:07 PM
I'm a Marylander living in the UK and no, I never seen British Maryland cookies back home.
There is a difference between crumpets and (English) muffins. Like another poster said, crumpets are much more spongy.
I do miss Thomas' English Muffins. They were grand! |
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 | 08:28 PM
Thomas' English Muffins were best because of the nooks and crannies. Mmmm-mmm... get that melted butter all in your nooks and crannies... great... was good on the muffins, too... |
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 | 04:52 AM
Americans visiting Britain should not leave without trying Pontefract Cakes - any good restaurant or teashop should be pleased to make these specially (delicious when hot) even if they aren't on the menu. Another cake to ask for is 'Kendal Mint Cake' - you can only get this at the poshest and most expensive establishments - but well worth it. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 | 06:09 PM
response to Nick from merry ole England, about BERGER Cookies, from Maryland. I assure you they are real, and good.
http://www.bergercookies.com/catalog.htm
enjoy |
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 | 04:54 PM
I found this very interesting and comical. I am inclined to believe the correct answer is the second choice: a random selection from the cookie company. I am also from Maryland and have never heard of Maryland cookies, but then again, would we call them Maryland cookies or just cookies? If it's a Berger cookie, now that's a Maryland cookie or more specifically, a Baltimore cookie. By the way, the correct pronunciation is Balmer, Merlin. Some people say we talk funny. |
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 | 11:40 AM
Maryland Cookies, see http://www.bergercookies.com |
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 | 08:59 AM
So glad to see the Berger Cookie thing cleared up. Indeed, they are scrumptious, but diabetics beware!
On Maryland's name: Maryland's name honors Queen Henrietta Maria (1609-1669), wife of Charles I (1600-1649), King of Great Britain and Ireland, who signed the 1632 charter establishing the Maryland colony. <http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/01glance/html/name.html>
(And to further clarify, the state capital is Annapolis, not Baltimore, a fact about which, quite sadly, many Marylanders are not aware.) |
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 | 09:15 AM
I've lived in Maryland all my life. I knew as a small child, and can honestly say I do not know anyone who doesn't know that Annapolis is our state capital. There are many people from other states who do not know this fact, but I assure the educated among and some not so well educated are well aware. There are two standard field trips that every child attending a Maryland school takes: Annapolis (while studying government) and the Smithsonian Museums(while studying art, history, natural science, etc.) I went to the Smithsonian a total of 11 times by the time I graduated high school. Maryland is a great place to live, and not just for the Berger cookies; although, they are an added bonus. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 | 09:26 AM
Perhaps I should have included this smiley the first time, as I was in no way knocking Marylanders.
As a lifetime Marylander and former Maryland high school teacher, I can say that I took those same trips, but they are not mandatory in the curriculum. (Philadelphia is a substitute in some cases.) I can also say that I've had plenty of bright students who did not know that Annapolis is the capital.
Again,
Best,
Dancin'. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 | 11:21 AM
ahhh, good old Maryland school trips 😊 I recall my 8th grade trip, we went from Baltimore to Annapolis by boat, I learned several things that day --- the most important being I don't like boats : ) However, Maryland is and was a great place to grow up, on a lighter note do you all remember the Enchanted Forest? |
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 | 03:50 PM
Oh, yes! I believe it was Cinderella and Snow White who served my birthday cake when I was six. 😊 |
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 | 08:54 PM
So.... Maryland Cookies.... Like most of you Marylanders here, I never had heard of Maryland Cookies until a European told me about them. When I told my good friend (who is swedish) that i was from maryland, he said... "oh... like the cookie?" So anyways, I believe that the recipe for these maryland cookies comes from Mrs. K's Tollhouse, in Silver Spring Maryland.
__Bob |
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 | 06:24 AM
I searched the net looking for the place that Maryland Cookies are made. My teacher asked us to find out what street Maryland Cookies are made on, In Maryland, USA ! I searched for ages and it dont even exist ! :( |
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 | 06:49 PM
Ok, I've been doing some more searching for the Maryland Cookie...and so far this is what I have found.
Background information
Maryland's unique recipe was brought over from the USA in 1956. It is now the UK's best selling cookie.
Flavours
The flavours available for Maryland Cookies are:
Choc Chip.
Double Choc.
Choc Chip & Hazlenut
Choc Chip & Coconut
Fudge Brownie
Here is a bit more info for those interested.
http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/previous.php3?item=113 |
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 | 03:28 AM
Ok, im not going to go into equivilant names, but here in england at least, there are several cakey type things that have been mentioned, so here are some pictures to help clarify:
Drop ssones/scotch pancakes (depending on where you live) are sweet and cakey, often with rasins or sultanas (sultanas-white grapes, rasins-red grapes). American breakfast pancakes seem to look similar, but that may just be me being ignorant: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.easy-pancake-recipe.com/images/drop%20scones.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.easy-pancake-recipe.com/&h=140&w=200&sz=11&hl=en&start=3&sig2=5dsFVYD8fGyJA1togCnRQw&tbnid=TYkWu5nM40EgvM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=104&ei=P01JR7uPAZL00QSxlYHpCQ&prev=/images?q=drop+scones&gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en (the second recipe)
English muffin/teacake is a sweet bun type thing, about the size of your spread hand which you split and toast, then cover in butter and jam etc. Often has sultanas/rasins: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1371967/2/istockphoto_1371967_toasted_teacake.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/?id=1371967&refnum=117315&h=253&w=380&sz=27&hl=en&start=2&sig2=v32Kdwg3d52SYmEku1NnXQ&tbnid=QDjpudr6ZuYUjM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=123&ei=sU1JR5vcO5Ku0QSY5cjlCQ&prev=/images?q=toasted+tea+cake&gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en
American muffins/muffins are the top heavy cakey things that come in lil paper cups: http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=muffin&gbv=2
Flapjack (i saw it mentioned) is an oaty sweet sticky cake made with golden syrup: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/908/804967.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.dkimages.com/discover/Home/Food-and-Drink/Desserts-and-Confections/Cakes/Unassigned/Unassigned-322.html&h=468&w=768&sz=69&hl=en&start=1&sig2=BAeT0Jqn3xqj3LBPyBN9iw&tbnid=r9lR32n9GeaPDM:&tbnh=87&tbnw=142&ei=yk1JR-rSEpKM0wTT9o3iCQ&prev=/images?q=flapjack&gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en
Fiary cakes (are these anything like cupcakes?) are just lil sponge cakes that you make with your 6 year old before parties etc: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1864/images/1864_MEDIUM.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1864/glamorous-fairy-cakes.jsp&h=400&w=440&sz=44&hl=en&start=2&sig2=tSR6kTfASgnItSVAuTu8zg&tbnid=onF7-FKDiLECuM:&tbnh=115&tbnw=127&ei=9k1JR9ySDaba0gSqhd3fCQ&prev=/images?q=fairy+cake&gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en
Crumpets are delicious round doughy things with tonnes of holes for holding butter. Theyre very good toasted: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/465936/2/istockphoto_465936_toasting_crumpets.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/?id=465936&refnum=323268&h=285&w=380&sz=46&hl=en&start=3&sig2=1tWqJWqgxlB0Y4vCqc1nWg&tbnid=mk1fFgoRD3zBJM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&ei=FU5JR_QHkrbTBN3nyN0J&prev=/images?q=crumpets&gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en
Scones are heavy cakes (can be savoury) which you split and smother in jam and clotted cream (gotta be clotted 😛 otherwise its not artery-clogging enough). The savoury ones are often cheesy: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/465936/2/istockphoto_465936_toasting_crumpets.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/?id=465936&refnum=323268&h=285&w=380&sz=46&hl=en&start=3&sig2=1tWqJWqgxlB0Y4vCqc1nWg&tbnid=mk1fFgoRD3zBJM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&ei=FU5JR_QHkrbTBN3nyN0J&prev=/images?q=crumpets&gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en |
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 | 07:05 AM
they are called berger cookies and they exist |
rosie
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 | 09:37 AM
After reading every post on here i've worked through a whole pack of maryland cookies. haha.
i think Emily has hit the nail on the head there, the source of confusion on the english side of things is that different regions have different names for things. especially bread.
the english muffin/teacake mentioned would be a currant teacake in Yorkshire. a teacake doesn't have fruit in and would be used to make a sandwich. i believe elasewhere in england it would be a bread roll.
I've had many an agument with southerners regarding the names of various forms of bread.
one thing is for sure though. Maryland cookies are the best! |
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 | 07:27 AM
American from Maryland originally. Have lived in mainland Europe and visited the UK.
Maryland Cookies are not available in the US, although it is said that the recipe originated in the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Cookies
The animated talking cookie ads are graphically similar, but not identical, to ads for "Chips Ahoy" ads in the US. The Maryland Cookie's face is on the flat side, while the Chips Ahoy cookie's face is on the edge. The Chips Ahoy cookie(s) usually get eaten at the end of the commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz4u8XXUgxA
"English Muffins" in the US at present generally refer to "Thomas' English Muffins" or third party products which are very similar.
http://thomas.gwbakeries.com/catsAndSubcats.cfm#12
Based on pictures on line, crumpets appear to be very similar, but the hole pattern appears different. The holes in crumpets appear to be round and much more regular than the holes, or "nooks and crannies" in an English Muffin." |
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 | 11:53 PM
I'm from Kensington MD (a suburb of Washington DC).
In 2006, my wife and I vacationed in London. As part of our trip, we visited the Kensington (London) Palace. The cashier at the gift shop asked where we were from, and I replied, "Ironically, we're from Kensington, but it's the Kensington in Maryland, USA"). He replied, "Oh. like the Maryland cookies?" and I retorted, "What's a Maryland cookie?"
Before leaving, I bought some Maryland cookies at a small neighborhood store on Craven Road, and
upon my return home, I brought them into work to share with my co-workers. They were chocolate chip, so I assumed that "Maryland cookie" was simply British for "chocolate chip cookie" and passed this misinformation on to my co-workers.
So there are also hazelnut Maryland cookies! Any other flavors (or as they spell it in England, flavours)?
Re the origin of Maryland (the state) - while ir was founded by English Catholics in 1634, it was named for Queen Henrietta Maria, not the Virgin Mary. |
