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prussian blue
Posted By:
Rick
Dec 27, 2004
 I just saw this web site on Something Awful and it's just too disturbing for me to believe it's true. If anyone can confirm that it's fake, it would be a great relief.

the link to their site is: Prussian Blue

It's 11 year old twins that are in a a musical group together singing about and preaching white power.

thanks for your time, guys.

Rick
Category: Hate-Crimes, Music; Replies: 319

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Tuoni
in Florida
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 | 09:18 PM
Sharruma

1. The natives didn't create our nation however. That said, I am one of those that thinks we should split up into several seperate nations.

2. IQ differences are scientific fact. Blacks have a lower IQ, just as East Asians and ethnic Jews have a higher IQ than whites.

3. http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/anth372.html

4. You got that one 😊

5. Jews are the only ones you would consider white that practise slavery. Israel is a Tier 2 nation. http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2005/46614.htm

6. I live near many poor white communities and many poor black communities. Which do you think has the higher crime?

7. Not a question I can answer.
Tuoni
in Florida
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 | 09:20 PM
Add on to the slavery question. White nations and white traffickers are the SOURCE of Israel's slaves. The people buying the slaves are jewish.
Razela
in Chicago, IL
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 01:11 AM
Tuoni, did you not read your own link. If you had, you would have seen the names of Poland, Italy, and Portugal on it as well. Not only that, but the countries are alphabetical, you are only looking at a portion of the alphabet. Look around more on that website and you will find many references to European, and other mostly caucasian countries.

Not only that, but just because a certain crime is happening in Israel doesn't necessarly mean it is the Jews. According to this census report (http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts About Israel/Looking at Israel/Looking at Israel- People) sorry for the long URL, only 77% of Israel is Jewish. That makes sense though doesn't it? Israel is at war and has been since they were first declared a state. Countries at war, particularly that long, do not have as many resources available for dealing with domestic problems, especially problems such as trafficking which would logically be occuring in the poorest areas that the government has the least control over. Trafficking is actually a huge problem for the entire Middle East, rather than just Israel. Wouldn't it make more sense to conclude it is a regional problem, rather than a "Jewish" one?

Tuoni says, "IQ differences are scientific fact."
I would love to see any proof you have that white people and black people of the same economic status have statistically different IQ's. You call it fact, yet you have no "facts" to back yourself up.

Tuoni says, "I live near many poor white communities and many poor black communities. Which do you think has the higher crime?"
Again, show me proof that white neighborhoods and black neighborhoods of equal economic status and conditions have statistically different crime records. You say, "who do you think has the higher crime?" I say, with all factors exactly the same except for skin color, neither, they are equal, if equal in squalor. It is poverty and poor living conditions that is the problem, not skin pigmentation.

You're welcome to respond, and I will read any responses you have, but don't expect any more responses from me. In a few days I will no longer have personal access to the internet. I am not ignoring you, and I have not "changed my mind" or "given up" mind you, but it will be hard for me to get internet access and I don't want to spend all the time I do get in this debate where everyone who agrees with me already does, and those who do not agree would have changed their minds long ago if they actually listened to facts and reason.

Oh, and one more thing before I go. Tuoni says, "The natives didn't create our nation however"
That is no argument at all. They didn't create our nation, therefore we have the rights to the nation that we created after destroying their nations? Under that logic, then Israel has the true rights to the land of their nation, even if someone else was living their first. I already know you don't agree with that. And, by the way, I am NOT condoning Israel, I am just saying that by your argument that is what would logically follow. You can't accept one and not the other if you are going to use an argument like that.
Tuoni
in Florida
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 02:04 AM
Razlea apparently I missed New Zealand as well.. Good call. THey get slaves from Thailand. My point as a whole is slavery still happens, people need to stop with the 140 year ago slavery nonsense.

The natives never had any nations in North America. Not in the way we consider nations today. They were tribal.

The IQ thing...

Here is a link done by an Asian so he is pretty impartial to blacks and whites.

http://www.arthurhu.com/index/aintell.htm#spectrum

American Civil Rights IQ article

http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/africanfailure.html

There was also a recent news story about poor whites having higher IQs than wealthy blacks and doing better in school. I can't find that one.

I think that ought to do it for now on that subject.

As for my white community/black community thing. I am an ex-cop so I know which ones have more crime.

It has nothing to do with skin COLOR, it is genetics. Whenever non-racialists bring up skin color as the only thing defining race that proves they have done no research on the subject.

Once again...
http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/anth372.html

Arabs had a civilisation in palistine long before the jews showed up. Arabs are NOT tribal.

Good luuck on all your persuits.
Tuoni
in Florida
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 02:44 AM
Man, I made way too many typos...GAH!!
LaMa
in Europe
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 06:14 AM
Arabs had a civilisation in palistine long before the jews showed up. Arabs are NOT tribal - Tuoni

Do your homework Tuoni; Arabs are tribal! This gave Colonel T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) much 'fun' for example when trying to organize the Arab rebellion against the Ottomans.

Scots are tribal too, for example. And they have a parliament.

So what is all this tribal bullshit?
Tuoni
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 07:55 AM
All of that and that is all you picked out to reply to? 😊

The arabs living in Palestine were not tribal the way native americans were. The native americans never believed in land ownership.

THATS my point. Nitpicking is an art here I take it.
LaMa
in Europe
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 08:17 AM
The arabs living in Palestine were not tribal the way native americans were. The native americans never believed in land ownership. - Tuoni

They did, but just like the Arabs in Palestine, did not put down land claims in ownership documents.

But to cut things short; tribal- non tribal, What does it matter?

The stronger nation devouring the weak, is that your credo? Yes it is. You know who had the same credo? Yes, it was Nazi Germany. You're preaching a Lebensraum ideology here.
Tuoni
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 10:21 AM
I suppose I have to say that I am not a nazi again. No National Socialism for me.

As for stronger nation devouring the weak. That is wrong. In North America there was no actualy nation to be devoured. I am not saying we didn't make mistakes. I am saying that non-nativeamericans are the ones that built up this nation.

I'm gonna be away for a while. Respond to this for the benefit of continuing the debate however.
dply27
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 10:54 AM
Sorry about the lateness to this reply but I was out of town all weekend. I made the comment about the origins of Prussian Blue's name. someone replied that it was just a coincedence that their name was the same as the residue. That would be an awful big coincedence.

Also Prussia hasn't been a country for a while. I'm Italian and Irish but I don't go around calling myself Roman Gaelic Blue. Now I'm not making fun of the girls because I doubt they had anything to do with their name and they might actually believe that it is because of their eye color and family decent.

When America was a great melting pot, people thought that the Italians and Irish immigrants were of a lower intelligence. This was due to the fact that they inhabited the mainly poor neighbourhoods and didn't have access to the best education. That sounds a lot like what is going on with the black community now.
String Bean
in love with himself
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 12:09 PM
Ok, I do not think I have to spend the time to find links to the statement I am baout to make. If you read any psychological text book written within the last twenty years, you will find that it is pretty much a consensus in the psychological field that any standardized testing is not indicative of a person's actual IQ. IQ, and standardized testing, is tailored to fit the goals of the testers. American IQ tests are written so that the well to do, mmost likely white people, score higher. It is not because they are white that they score higher, it is because their education is better. The fact that they are white is the reason their education is better. Being white does not mean that someone is more naturally inclined to score well, being white in North America and Europe generally means that a person is more inclined to have had the education that results in better IQ tests.
I find it grossly disturbing that someone like Tuoni, who obviously only looks for the facts that support his ideals could have been in a position that allows for generalizations and stereotypes to perpetuated. As for your news story that claims that wealthy black people score lower IQ's, you may want to verify that it was a questionnable source. Or in the words of one of my favorite shows, "Are you sure it was a book? Are you sure it wasn't nothing?". Plus, that article about Africans, in African countries scoring lower. Once again, those test results are negigible. IQ tests do not measure intelligence, they only measure a person's ability to recognize things that they have trained for. If a person does not have access to the training, i.e. schooling, how can they expect to recognize it later?
The British used to use the same logic you use about the Irish. They used to compare the Irish to monkeys, sound familiar? Now look at the Irish, they have more Nobel Prize winners in literature in the twentieth century than any other country. Oh yeah, there have been quite a few Nobel Prize winner sof African descent as well.
As for slavery, you are right it is still a present problem. North American, and European, are still trying to make up for the sins of our forefathers. Not only do we have to make reparations for what we have done, we have to also try and stop it world wide. In case you have never read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, it is right up there with all the other rights. Slavery is a problem that is still being dealt with daily. It is not forgotten about.

You say people don't do their research before the "nick pick". I am afraid you do much worse, you only look for the facts that back your ideals up. I would much rather an ignorant saint than a semi-educated bigot. Pride in your race, and your country even, is only healthy if helps you be strong. Seeing as how whites are still in power, there is no real need for White Pride. A little ethnic humility would serve us well. The only reason there is a need for Black Pride is because, as a race, white people have been pushing people with dark skin down for centuries.
dply27
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 12:28 PM
Uh-oh String Bean you said Bigot. Now Tuoni is going to rip on you for being a boigoted against bigots.
Rochelle
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 04:48 PM
On the IQ tests--Because they were created by middle/upper-class white Americans, they tend to reflect that culture. If the tests were actually given in Africa, that could explain why they scored lower. Besides a possible language barrier (depending on the testee's English or the translation of the test), cultural differences could affect the scores.

For instance (and I've never taken an IQ test, so this example might be entirely off base, but you can get the idea), in some cultures, structures are built without right angles. Their homes are built cylindrical with conical roofs. People in these cultures take longer than westerners in solving visual puzzles involving rectangles and squares (the example I saw involved the perception of height in a hallway, something a hunter-gatherer may never have experienced).

Of course, education and a familiarity with standardized testing will improve scores.
David B.
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 05:08 PM
Tuoni: In North America there was no actualy nation to be devoured.

In fact there were several; the Sioux nation, the Lakota nation, the Blackfeet nation, the Cherokee nation... These were not just posh names for tribes, a great many Sioux tribes formed the Great Sioux Nation (http://home.tiac.net/~cri/1998/sioux.html).

String Bean: IQ tests do not measure intelligence, they only measure a person's ability to recognize things that they have trained for.

I agree wholeheartedly. IQ tests measure your ability to do IQ tests, period. IQ originally meant 'intelligence quotient' and was defined as your 'mental age' as a percentage of your 'physical age'; hence if you were four, but had a reading age of a six-year old you had an IQ of 150. Now vast batteries of tests, usually only ever calibrated against each other, somehow measure an abstract property of an individual that there isn't even a common definition of? I don't think so!

String Bean: As for your news story that claims that wealthy black people score lower IQ's, you may want to verify that it was a questionnable source.

The claim can be found in a 1994 open letter to the Wall Street Journal by 52 intelligence investigators titled "Racial Differences in Intelligence: What Mainstream
Science Says" (reproduced at http://www.cpsimoes.net/artigos/bell_mainstr.html).

It is worth reading the whole letter to really understand how someone has cherry-picked a few facts to lend weight to a spurious argument. Of course, that only works as long as no-one else ever reads your sources.

On the whole, there is more spread in IQ in the average family (where measured heritability is high) than between racial groups (where measured heritability is low). Its amazing how such feeble evidence of a genetic difference is talked-up, while strong evidence of things like evoultion and global warming is ignored. Fortunately I'm from the UK, where we are smarter than you yanks (http://encycl.opentopia.com/term/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations).

Tuoni: I have no idea.

Amen to that!
String Bean
in love with himself
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 | 07:50 PM
Like I said, there really can't be anything worse than when someone uses selected facts to back up their beliefs. This has been used to start wars, justify genocide, and a bounty of other injustices.
Tuoni
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 | 05:44 AM
I am glad I decided to stop by and use my parents computer while mine was out of commission.

"In fact there were several; the Sioux nation, the Lakota nation, the Blackfeet nation, the Cherokee nation... "

Those "nations" were loose coalition of tribes. Not nations. Think U.N. of native americans.

"Also Prussia hasn't been a country for a while"

Prussian is an ethnicity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_people

"I find it grossly disturbing that someone like Tuoni, who obviously only looks for the facts that support his ideals could have been in a position that allows for generalizations and stereotypes to perpetuated."

So you don't stereotype all racialists as "Nazis" or "Evil" just because we love our race more than any others.

Of course a black person love his people or a hispanic loving "La Raza" would be ok to you I bet.

"Uh-oh String Bean you said Bigot. Now Tuoni is going to rip on you for being a boigoted against bigots."

Actually I liked his post

"The only reason there is a need for Black Pride is because, as a race, white people have been pushing people with dark skin down for centuries."

Really?
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/hfs.cgi/00/13712.ctl
"White Slaves, African Masters:An Anthology of American Barbary Captivity Narratives "

Because it hasn't gone both ways? Because there were no white slaves 140 years ago? Because Affirmative Action is not doing the reverse to us?

When you raise one above another in order to "right" past "wrongs" you are still raising one above the other. That means you are holding one down still, in reverse.

"A little ethnic humility would serve us well. "

For what? My family never owned slaves and I don't condone slavery. I have nothing to feel guilty of.

"Like I said, there really can't be anything worse than when someone uses selected facts to back up their beliefs. This has been used to start wars, justify genocide, and a bounty of other injustices."

I agree actually. Just look at the war in Iraq, the Palestinian genocide, ethnic cleansing of whites in Zimbabwe etc...
David B.
Member
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 | 07:05 AM
Those "nations" were loose coalition of tribes. Not nations.

And America is just a loose coalition of states. Your argue that they were not nations because they do not fit your western-european derived idea of what a nation is. Even the 1814 Treaty of Ghent (between Great Britain and the US) recognised them as nations (and I quote): -

The United States of America engage [...] to restore to such tribes or nations, respectively, all the possessions, rights, and privileges, which they may have enjoyed or been entitled to in one thousand eight hundred and eleven, previous to such hostilities [...] And His Britannic majesty engages [...] to restore to such tribes or nations, respectively, all the possessions, rights, and privileges, which they may have enjoyed or been entitled, to in one thousand eight hundred and eleven, previous to such hostilities.

Currently there are over 500 Native American groups recognized by the government and by the courts as "sovereign domestic dependent nations under U.S. protection".

But why let a few facts get in the way of a comfy ol' bias, hey?
Pelero
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 | 01:21 AM
I'm betting that the name 'Prussian Blue' derived from the military uniforms worn by Prussian military forces from its beginnings with Fredrick William I and up until around the Napoleonic era. The Prussian military uniform was a variant of blue called "prussian blue." Lol, and when Fredrick II invaded Silesia, a prosperous territory from Austrian Empress Maria Theresa, he soon found himself invaded by France, Austria, and Russia. However, when Peter III ascended to the throne of Russia, he rescued Prussia from inevitable destruction. He was an admirer of Fredrick II. He made the Russian officers change in to Prussian blue uniforms. Of course, his unpatriotic and despotic tendencies led him to ruin, and Catherine The Great deposed him.

Anyway, Prussia is not an ethnicity. It was a duchy that merged with Brandenburg and other German/Polish territories under the House of Hohenzollern through inheritance. Prussia eventually emerged in to an absolutist nation-state, and eventually managed to unify Germany, a loose confederation of independent principalities, in to a German empire. This was accomplished by the pragmatic Otto von Bismarck in 1871. An important tool that unified Germany was the use of nationalism. Italy was also partially unified in this way.


As far as racists are concerned... Indeed, they often oversimplify things. For example, they almost always contend that jews rule the world. That is bollocks! While I personally believe that the modern world is an emerging plutocracy and increasingly becoming anti-democratic, it's preposterous to contend that jews disproportionately represent that 'plutocracy.' Even more asinine, Bush and corporate America are jew lovers! ! Furthermore, their "movement" is ridiculous. They have a wide range of dissenting opinion. They are not unified with a universal set of convictions, and they are infested with idiots. Certaintly, there are a handfull of intelligent white racists, but they are extremely rare. The founder of the National Alliance, William Pierce, for example, was a physicist at one time before he died. You guys should listen to them instead of pick up your contemptuous flag marked with a counter-clockwise indo-european swatzika. National Socialism is a detriment to your "movement." It astonishes me that you admire it so much, despite its negative political implications and stupidity. While racists are not all National Socialists, a number of them are. And National Socialism isn't the worst mainstream racist crap. Christian Identity is far far worse. Who other than an idiot contends that whites are the true Israelites and 'chosen ones' who migrated to Europe, and that jews are the children of Satan?

I will admit that large western media companies 'condition' the western population to hold feelings of animosity toward white racism/supremacism/nationalism (whatever you want to call it). It's a propaganda tactic to select a word and then manipulate the meaning of that word to broadly classify a remotely similar group in a demeaning way. "Commies" and "facist right wingers" are examples of this. Racists, unfortunately, are victims of this type of propaganda.

I don't think their general ideology entails any long-term intentions of exploiting other peoples. I think they just want western autonomy from "jews" and multiculturalism. But I think they really mean that they want western autonomy from a tyrannical class of plutocrats and globalist ambitions. However, aside from their silly prevalent ideologies and religions, they don't have a viable alternative for the world to follow. And as I previously stated, there is no universal agreement on what that alternative should be. Removing "jews" from power and declaring western autonomy just doesn't cut it. While potentially influential, neo-racism is no threat to society due to the reasons I stated above.
Pelero
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 | 01:22 AM
I think Prussian Blue are a beautiful and lovely bunch, and I wouldn't desire any harm to come to them. They are able suppliers of musical services to a sub-culture, and I think this music is far healthier for racists than a lot of the other music that's available to them on the racist market.

Alright... I have resolved some misconceptions and given my input on racists.
I will add one more thing. Humans have suffered throughout history, and for a variety of reasons. Racism was simply a 19th/20th century phenomenon that supported the conclusion that whites should exploit other people, and people have exploited other people since human beginnings (although sometimes racism was used as a means to help people too (e.g. "White Man's Burden.)). It's nothing new. The only reason racism caused unprecedented suffering with mercantilist economies was because the west managed to suddenly industrialize before any other non-western civilization. Industrialization grants the host nation a huge military advantage against an agrarian society.

And another one more thing. Europe had slaves since ancient times, and even in medieval times. Slavs and pagans were regularly enslaved by christian European nations. Even African tribes enslaved each other. It's a common misconception that racism introduced slavery.
AG
Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 | 10:38 AM
This is retarded. And hurtful! Did they not ever learn about racism? I guess not! Well, these girls obviously are just under the influence of their parents. Who knows? Maybe they have different beliefs and someone should wake them up and tell them to take a walk around the world. Having just white people would be unbelievably boring.
French Canadian
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 12:49 AM
First off pardon my english, french is my first language.

"Yup, nothing like making sweeping generalisations about people due to their level of pigmentation..."

"I'm anti-racist because the whole idea of what colour you are determining your value to the world is about the most stupid thing I've ever heard."

-Come on, at least be honest, it'S NOT a matter of skin colour (how ridiculus). Negroides and other non-whites are a completely different race, skin colour, texture of skin, smells of the skin, nappy hairs, bigger flat nose, bigger lips, different skull morphology, different psychologically and physiologicaly, lower iq, different sexual behaviours, That BELONG specifically the the proper race.


"I just don't get it... if it weren't for the very people they go around bashing... their race wouldn't even exist!!!"

-It's not bashing it'S reality, anti-racist are bashers. it's just that whites don't want to mix and copulate with the negroide races and keep their Heritage 4 ever. And not to forget the Unparalleled scientific, artistic and cultural accomplishement of our beloved race. The World and reality wad basically invented by whites...only. And w'ere still ahead in almost everything (except basketball and 100 meter yeah).


"Which you will find run right into the black race, which the caucasian race evolved from..."

-Just like YOU said, we just don't want to go back the african state, we just want our white proud and strong nation and keep "evolving" from you.


"The only reason there is a need for Black Pride is because, as a race, white people have been pushing people with dark skin down for centuries."


Just like you said it : HAVE BEEN. reminds of this song :

Slayer - Guilty of Being White Lyrics
By minor threat

I'm sorry
For something I didn't do
Lynched somebody
But I didn't know who

You blame me
For slavery
A hundred years before I was born

Guilty of being white

I'm convicted
Of a racist crime
I've only served
19 years of my life

Guilty of being white
Guilty of being RIGHT



"This is retarded. And hurtful! Did they not ever learn about racism? I guess not! Well, these girls obviously are just under the influence of their parents. Who knows? Maybe they have different beliefs and someone should wake them up and tell them to take a walk around the world. Having just white people would be unbelievably boring."


I think if there's a truly a retard in her it's you. The world is actually almost. non-white. If you were just a little informed you would knew that White people made up hardly to 9% percent of the world population (this mediterranean and south euros who are not really white), and this number is shrinking extremely fast due to the race-mixing liberal and jewish policies. More white women are having blacks negroides yellow children. non-white are reproducing like hell and invading our homeland countries, and white people aren't reproducing at all. In few generation, there will not be a single white person left, europe, u.s.a will be Black, yellow and brown. Now THIS is boring, everyone with brown eyes and dark skin. No diversity left, this i called EXTINCTION. yes ultimately the dark masses will flood the lighter gene pool, which is already extremely rare.

There's many definition for racism one is to be proud of your race, which is perfectly right.

Racism like slavery, exploitation, nazism etc... are to be condemned it goes without saying.
it will sink the cause of white nationalism. We should do positive actions for our people.

Among all the pussy ass-licking, PC, so called anti-racist camps,
Prussian Blue may be just one of the few people that stand up to the fact of the EXTINCTION of white caucasian race and it's heritage and the UNMATCHED legacy to the world. It may be sad but it's true. It's reality.


WHITE PRIDE WORLD WIDE, save our heritage.
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 05:13 AM
Ya know, I can be proud to be who I am - including my Irish heritage. But it doesn't mean that I have ever treated someone differently based on the way they look. (Well, except for maybe the VERY HOT. 😉 )

Anywho...It's all about balance. Get some.
Yama the Space Fish
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 08:53 AM
Will they have epicanthic folds too?

Ignore the French-Canadian guy!

Jews, South Europeans (Which you don't regard as white), Arabs, Egyptians, and Asians have both made huge contributions to the sciences, and East Africa has some of the most haunting vocal music. Fuck, I think African (especially African-American) music has been the most influential on the world. Even your crappy haterock bands.
LaMa
in Europe
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 10:13 AM
For the ethic benefit of all other Canadians, I feel Quebec should gain an independant status as soon as possible...

(this mediterranean and south euros who are not really white) - French Canadian

hmmmm, who was it that "discovered" America, where French canada is, for the "whites" in the first place? That Cristoforo Colombo guy, now where was he from? Yup: mediterranean southern Europe...hmmmmmm
Pelero
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 10:30 AM
French Canadian is evidently worse than a typical white racist. He's a Nordicist! That is, he only views blond/red hair/light brown hair, blue/green/grey eyes, long/narrow shaped skull, doliochocephalic skull, and tall body as white. He must be a National Socialist at its extreme.

Southern Europeans are, according to pseudo-racial science, white, btw.

AG,

Well, the world would be boring to you if the world was uni-cultural. Since the beginning of time, people did not consider this boring. Your comment is purely subjective, and therefore void.

And yes, I think they learned about racism. Racism has historically been a rationale to exploit. Exploitation has occurred throughout human history. If we want to minimize exploitation, we should learn about exploitation, not just racism. Racism is not the root of the problem. If it's not racism to justify exploitation, it'll be religion, nation, or some other stupid reason.

However, for White Nationalists, racism is generally no longer a rationale to exploit. It's a rationale to escape exploitation. I hardly blame them for their convictions.
Yama the Space Fish
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 01:36 PM
Just deport maggots like him to Venus. You won't even have to worry about nuking them if they get too uppity.
Nick
in Merrie Olde Englande
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 01:42 PM
one racist on Venus = a problem
two racists on Venus = a problem
thirty racists on Venus = a problem
1000 racists on Venus = a problem

all the racists on Venus = problem solved
String Bean
in love with himself
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 02:30 PM
The problem with Mr.(or Ms.) French Canadian's viewpoint is that he(she) is French Canadian. There is not a french Canadian who's heritage goes back a hundred years or more in Canada who does not have some Native American heritage. As stated before, N. AMerica is a melting pot of races. I would bet that an abundant number of "whites" have non-white ancestory. White Pride my ass. Prove to me that you are indeed white. Or let me guess, the cuticles of your fingers prove it. Jack ass.
Pelero
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 03:01 PM
String Bean

Dude, lets keep the arguements against racists logical.

Racists are not looking at the bloodline, but the genotype of the individual. The bloodline only has any purpose to them when it influences the genotype. Because I have a countless number of ape-like ancestors, for example, it does not mean that I'm more ape-like than I am human. With exception to the evolutionary process, my ape-like bloodline has no influence on my human genotype.


While a number of white people in North America have Native ancestory, it does not mean that every person does. Both populations were kept relatively seperate from each other. A little mixing in a population does not make the entire population mixed. As a whole, there is no affect on the genotype of the population.
Winona
in USA
 Member
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 05:45 PM
Relatively seperate my big fat ass.

I'm from Western Canada, and at least there it is *extremely* difficult to find a native american family who is full blooded. I lived in the middle of an area that was surrounded by three reservations - I've met -one- full blooded family, and they were from an extremely remote part of Canada.
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 06:34 PM
I would like to see how these people are coming up with so-called "Racial IQ's". The whole idea's nonsense.
Pelero
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 07:19 PM
Winoa,

While the Native American population was generally eventually influenced with white genotypes, it happened over time. The populations remained seperated in the sense that tribes did not live harmoniously with whites in white settlements, or the other way around. Assimilation and imperialism encouraged the reproductive contact. While this contact was enough to have a genetic impact on the Native American population, it had almost no impact on the white population. The white population was much larger, and it reproduced far more with other native Europeans than it did with natives. The morphological traits inherent in Europeans stayed with the European population in North America. The relatively few reproductive contacts with Native Americans did not affect the collective whole of the white population in North America.
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 | 07:23 PM
To determine an actual "racial IQ":

First, you'll have to determine exactly what unique set of characteristics define a particular race. Then, you'll have to do genetic testing on the world's population to determine which people are of what race, during which you'll have to classify the people who would be mixes of races (which would be a large percentage of the world's population). Then you'd have to give every person belonging to the races in question a test that is equally meaningful to every person being tested (not every culture uses a base ten number system, for example, or has the same notion of the passage of time). Finding out that a group of arbitrarily classified "black" students did worse on a generic test than did a group of arbitrarily classified "white" students in some city's school only shows one thing: that a group of arbitrarily classified "black" students did worse on a generic test than did a group of arbitrarily classified "white" students in some city's school. It doesn't prove anything one way or the other about the relative IQ's of anybody else. Given the problems and biases those tests generally have built into them, it doesn't really even show anything about the IQ's of those being tested. Not that the idea of IQ has ever even been universally accepted or considered meaningful, either.


Whether there is any difference in "racial IQ", I don't know. Nobody can know, because nobody has ever actually tested for it. But I do know that the dark-skinned people in Afrika aren't markedly different than the light-skinned people in the US as far as their intelligence goes. It is just that it is often employed in a different manner. Just because an 18-year-old white boy in Massachusetts can find third derivatives doesn't mean that he's smarter than an 18-year-old Masai boy in Kenya. The Masai boy may simply have never heard of and never needed calculus. There is an important difference between ignorance and intelligence.
David B.
Member
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 04:32 AM
Racists are not looking at the bloodline, but the genotype of the individual

Your genotype is a direct product of your bloodline. You receive no genetic input from anyone but your immediate antecendants. Your genotype is a random selection of genetic traits from the the genotypes of your parents.

Because I have a countless number of ape-like ancestors, for example, it does not mean that I'm more ape-like than I am human.

Genetically you have, at best, 60000 genes in common with the other ape families, fewer than 1500 genes distinguish you as human. Genetically you are therefore 97.5% ape-like and 2.5% human.

With exception to the evolutionary process, my ape-like bloodline has no influence on my human genotype.

This is a non-logical, non-sensical statement. You are the product of your evolutionary process. Your genotype is the product of your evolutionary process. The vast majority of your genes are a direct consequence of your ape-like bloodline because of the evolutionary process. You would have no viable existence without your ape-like bloodline, this is an influence on your genotype.

A little mixing in a population does not make the entire population mixed. As a whole, there is no affect on the genotype of the population.

Yes it does. A population is mixed if, by definition, it is made up of people of different race. This does not mean every individual is of mixed heritage of course, but then that's not what you said. The genotype of the population (as far as any large group of individuals can be ascribed a 'genotype') would proportionally include the genotypes of its mixed race members, hence there would be an effect.

Racism does not usually look at bloodlines or genotypes or anything empirical at all (to begin with). It is a reaction based entirely on a person's phenotype. When you look at someone it is very difficult to actually know anything about their genetics. Are they mediterranean or just well tanned? Are they blond or do they bleach their hair? Are their eyes blue or are those contacts?

When people judge you by your apparent phenotype, i.e. by your appearance, they are not following any process of logic or reason, they are stereotyping. Stereotyping on the basis of a person's sex is sexism, on their age is ageism, and on their race it's racism.

There is no logic to it. It is the ascribing of a set of traits, behaviours, beliefs, capabilities and values to an individual based on a set of a priori biases, and with no empirical information about that individual.
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 05:46 AM
/BORG/ You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. /BORG/

Tehe. Sorry I couldn't resist. Anywho...People like French Canadian (jeez, do we hafta include him in the human race??) simply can't see beyond themselves. Vanity is all it is.
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 01:36 PM
Wooh, and in one fell swoop, this conversation goes from semi-polite debate to the ravings of a lunatic.
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 01:45 PM
French Canadian, you are wrong on some many points that I'm not even going to bother correcting them. The only people who will agree with all the tripe you wrote aren't going to be the types who will listen to reason, so I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. Your raving speaks well enough against itself.
LaMa
in Europe
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 01:46 PM
SHOW some SCIENTIFIC FACTS. - shitbrained French Canadian

Yes shitbrain; SHOW SOME SCIENTIFIC FACTS. Period.
Nick
in Merrie Olde Englande
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 01:46 PM
damn you Boo, i wanted to be the first to make such a comment!

i did my best to alert the Brits here to Ross Kemp's show about White Power on sunday night, but accidentally posted it on the wrong subject (brain frazzled by too much revision). so, a brief synopsis

essentially, white power groups are split into two sections. one, of militant maniacs who are highly organised and go round killing their fellow man. the other, of people who genuinely worship drug abuse and are largely just into organised crime. judging by French Canadian's maniacal rantings, id say FC qualifies for both groups.
LaMa
in Europe
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 01:47 PM
Acci; those are wise words
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 01:50 PM
Nick, I read the post to my husband five minutes ago, and it's taken him until now to stop laughing...
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 01:53 PM
Alright, French Canadian's comment has been removed because this isn't the place for extreme racist comments.
French Canadian
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 01:58 PM
So what, i'm Shitbrain, Criminal, Killer,Assasin, lunatic...etc...

mmmmmm...true polite pacifists and respect i see.

Are you guys planing to put some kind pf censorhip ?

Proves how whites are being demolished by the weak for being strong. That's Fidel Castro'
Shit Starving to Death country Communism.

For what ? sayng the plain and simple facts ?

Oh yeah, truth is offensive and hurts sooo much.
forgot that.

I admit i was little harsch but take as game as life and is.

Hate someone ?
French Canadian
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 02:05 PM
What the hell is that censorship ? for words ? have you ever heard of the words :

- FREEDOM OF SPEACH

- 1st AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

so it's really true, this country is lost, this world is lost, the future is dead.
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 02:07 PM
The 1st Amendment doesn't apply to privately owned websites. Any inflammatory posts will be removed.
French Canadian
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 02:08 PM
assh****.

pffff, you know what ? your board isn't worth a sh**, your website sucks as hell, and you guys are dumb. Bye.
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 02:14 PM
Translation - you don't agree with me and I have no logical arguments.
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 02:15 PM
And, I'd like to point out, at least I can spell 'people'.
David B.
Member
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 02:32 PM
Well, if French Canadian ever comes back;

Opinion isn't fact.
Rhetoric isn't fact.
Falacious reasoning isn't fact.
Sterotypical generalisation isn't fact.

I haven't seen one plain or simple fact in any of FC's posts. But it is nontheless not without its interesting points.

Of particular note is his twin claims that the white race is evolving 'from' the black race, and that it is simultaneously facing extinction. This would imply that we are being outcompeted by non-white races, and hence are clearly not the 'fittest' destined to survive!

Could this be the first appearance of a 'white nonsupremacist' on these boards? Perhaps us 'poor, hard-done-by' whites should form a solidarity pact with the white rhino. Altogether now, sing, "All we are saying..! Is give bleach a chance...!"
French Canadian
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 02:55 PM
David B., i'm sort of happy to see i'm not the only human on earth to see the paradox of the white race. thanks.

white are in control of the world by now, but the white DNA is weaker than the Dark races. White are a supreme race but are facing true and sad extinction, because our gene are not dominant. it's like mixing mud in a pure white source water. ultimately were all gonna be darkies like the jews planned it.

it's like beautifull things they never last and die out...it's our faith, i don't want this to
happen...

How save our people ? don't know, nazism, kkk etc... aren't answer. Those poeple are trash for the white nationalist agenda.

At least all i can say to you white kids, is stay proud don't waste your time and make the white race evolve to live to eternity...

p.s. i can spell people, but as i said im french, would you even spell a single word in french ?
dply27
in Denver, CO USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 03:00 PM
I guess I'm really neive (spell) I thought that racism was on the down slope but obviously it still lives with these people who probably wouldn't broadcast this hate anywhere but the internet.
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 03:15 PM
Yup.
I can.

White are a supreme race but are facing true and sad extinction, because our gene are not dominant.

Not that supreme, eh?

And I thought you said you were leaving, because:

your board isn't worth a sh**, your website sucks as hell, and you guys are dumb.

However, you just can't, can you?
French Canadian
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 03:15 PM
David B. and yes if i happen to be still alive for a while i'll plan creating a movement, i still have a vague idea, is it fascim ? populism ? centralism ? expansionism ? but the first goal is to SAVE THE WORLD.

sorry, but the only people qualified to save the world, that i see in my book, are white. Scientist, philosophers, workers, etc...

Liberals, democrats, republicans, in charge right now are making a pretty good job destroyng slowly our race. You can see this if look far, far, far in the (dark) future, most people can't.
we need true visionnaires.
we need heroes.
we need hope.

And don't blame the darkies incomptence on racism, the white evil boyz or bad luck.

maybe were doomed to sink to the pits of hell just as haiti, africa, jamaica, india, brazil, (92% of the world population), no more high science, space exploration, and so on just like the darkies...
LaMa
in Europe
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 03:20 PM
Funny; both India and Brazil have their own space program......
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 03:24 PM
Don't forget the Chinese, LaMa.
Winona
in USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 03:27 PM
And what the moron somehow doesn't realise, is that the "- 1st AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA " simply doesn't apply to Canadians.

In Canada, the constitutional provision that guarantees Freedom of expression in Canada is section 2(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
"2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: ... (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication "

BUT: Due to section 1 of the Charter, the so-called limitation clause, Canada's freedom of expression differs from the provision guaranteeing freedom of speech in the United States of America in a fundamental manner. The section 1 of the Charter states:

"The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

AND:
Canadian Criminal Code 318 says: "Everyone who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years".

In fact, there is a portion of the Canadian Human Rights Act, that could apply to French Canadian's speech here. Here's the relevant passage, in part:

"13. (1) It is a discriminatory practice for a person or a group of persons acting in concert to communicate telephonically (this would include the internet under current Canadaian laws.)or to cause to be so communicated, repeatedly, in whole or in part by means of the facilities of a telecommunication undertaking within the legislative authority of Parliament, any matter that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt by reason of the fact that that person or those persons are identifiable on the basis of a prohibited ground of discrimination."

And, just for the record, I am a huge supporter of free speech - I think that it is impossible to legislate hate speech out of existence, and that every person should have the right to speak their beliefs, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. I do think too, though, that I also have the right to also say that I think French Canadian is a moron as are many others who subscribe to his belief system. Personally, I would be happy if he'd just choke.
Winona
in USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 03:28 PM
" i can spell people, but as i said im french, would you even spell a single word in french ?"

Oui. 😊 Je peux.
Accipiter
Member
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 03:33 PM
French Canadian, you want to keep yourself and your descendants from mixing with other races. Fine. You can choose who you marry so that your children have whatever genetics you want them to, and I'll have no complaints about that. But just because that's what you want for your descendants doesn't mean that the rest of the world has to suffer your ideals. Just sit quietly in your own little corner of the world and breed your pure-white children, and let the rest of the world do what it wants to do. Why do you feel the need to create a movement to force your own ideals on everybody else?
French Canadian
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 03:44 PM
"Not that supreme, eh?"

The strongest, the pure, and most beautifull things are fragile too. paradox.

However, you just can't, can you?

Yes this board sucks hard come to stormfr**t.org instead, but sometimes you have people like david b. comin in. you still deserve to live...Boo

"I guess I'm really neive (spell) I thought that racism was on the down slope but obviously it still lives with these people who probably wouldn't broadcast this hate anywhere but the internet"


Internet is a gift for liberty, truth, FREEDOM of speach (i taught). All the other medias, hollywood, movies LIES, are controled by the jewish, pro-gays, israli pro-darkies, afraid of the whites, policies have been feedings us with the trash gansta rap bullshit pro darkies mediocricities punks (oh yeah but the jew don't listen to rap), to weaken white people so that jews finnally dominated the world as they called themselves, and i quote : The Gods Only Chosen ones. things are starting to change.
people are slowly waking up from World War 2 and the jewish lies.

No one sees that the pure existence of the jew is to took up on the world, by the destroying the white race (true disgusting race-mixing jews-controlled schools, medias, hollywood, propaganda), turning the world into darkies (palestinian), to finally become the GODS only chosen ones, like it is written in the TALMUD ???

Damn just look at the palestinians,Israeli (the superior) is treating them just as they were SHIT, making worst than the holocaust himself. god damn are you guys sleep or just plain moron.

They even killed Jesus from the start.

Damn, i'm sick of the lies.

And don't yell at me Nartzee or racist

I'm not sayng to go back to adolf hitler,

just search for the truth.

truth.

WHITE PRIDE WORLD WIDE
Boo
in The Land of the Haggii...
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 | 03:49 PM
So you're scared of people who are different. That's the abiding theme throughout all your posts.

And, if you hate this board so much... leave.
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