MOH Forum: A Postal-Mail Chain Letter?

A Postal-Mail Chain Letter?

Posted By:
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
Nov 14, 2004

I received this chain letter in my mailbox:

Dear Friend,
Greetings: I am a retired attorney. A few years ago a man came to me with a letter. He asked me to verify the fact that this was legal to do. I told him I would review it and get back to him. When I first red the letter my client brought me, I thought it was some "off-the-wall" idea to make money. A week and a half later we met in my office to discuss the issue. I told him the letter he originally brought me was not 100% legal. My client then asked me to later it to make it perfectly legal. I asked him to make one small change in the letter.

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It goes on for another 2 pages about how if you send $1 to the 6 names on the list & you will make $800,000.00 in just 3 months. You pay for a list of names to send letters to. I KNOW this is a scam. I just can't figure out how I got it. It came to me at my married name (junk-mail tends to come to my maiden name), & it came to my actual house address. (My driver's license lists my PO Box & if you look me up at the DMV, the physical address is actually my prior residence...haven't had time to change it yet.) The phone & electric aren't registered in my name, they're registered to my husband. (There's not a water bill, we have a well.)

What I wanna know is: How did this come to me, with my correct name at my current physical address??? The 'person' who sent the letter is: Mr. Louis Jordan/1234 Shakespeare Avenue/Apt # 2E/Bronx, NY 10452

Also, a co-worker recently had someone slip this same letter under his door at his apartment building...Anyone hear anything about this??

Category: Scams; Replies: 1759

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Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 \| 01:29 AM Greg said: "No Spunky...we could never have a Magic Economy because there are too many people out there just like you." And that means, what, Greg? You're an adult, yes? Are you REALLY saying that the impossible magically becomes possible if people just believe it? Why don't you put that theory to a REAL test? Assemble a crowd of like-minded people, have them stand on the street outside a tall building. Have them all concentrate on the notion that you can fly as you climb to the top and leap off. Certainly their sincere belief will give you the power of flight. Good luck. "The more I hear your repetitive rambling, the more annoyed I get." Not relevant. Don't care. "I'm going to repeat one of those sentences: The more I hear your repetitive rambling, the more annoyed I get." Not relevant. Don't care. Off-topic. "Are you a Democrat??" Not relevant.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 \| 01:33 AM Amanda said: "Well then my INTENT is to compile a mailing list so I can sell it to companies. Then, I decided to pass on the opportunity to 200 others cause I'm wonderful!" Oh, you've REALLY found the Magic Loophole this time, Amanda! By all means, use that as your defense if and when you get into trouble for operating your ILLEGAL chain letter. That HAS to work! After all, as Greg says, things are what you WANT them to be, no matter what the facts (or the relevant laws) are.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 \| 01:40 AM Hey, Amanda, I guess you missed this sentence: "If the COURT determines that your 'mailing list' was actually a scam intended to take money from people, then it is ILLEGAL." (new caps added) See, Amanda, it wouldn't be YOU who would make the final determination about what your intent was. The court would do that based on the evidence. Certainly you could TRY the silly defense you've suggested, but I really think that the Postal Inspectors' lawyers would punch a hole in that big enough to drive a truck through. Hey, maybe you could get Greg to be a witness for you to explain his whole "things are what you BELIEVE thay are" theory to the judge and jury. That HAS to work! I mean, he's not a DEMOCRAT (whatever relevance THAT has).
Cranky Media Guy Member	Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 \| 02:00 AM Hey, Amanda, remember when you linked to: http://www.usps.com/websites/depart/inspect/usc18/lottery.htm That was supposed to be a defense of your position that chain letters are LEGAL, right? Funny thing, though, Amanda. Take a look at what the Postal Service actually says about the exact statute you linked to: "There's at least one problem with chain letters. They're illegal if they request money or other items of value and promise a substantial return to the participants. Chain letters are a form of gambling, and sending them through the mail (or delivering them in person or by computer, but mailing money to participate) violates Title 18, United States Code, Section 1302, the Postal Lottery Statute." Golly, isn't Title 18, Section 1302 exactly what you were claiming supported YOUR position? Bzzzt. WRONG. Thanks for playing, though. I'm laughing very hard right now over you pointing people to the exact statute which DISPROVES your point. Nice going.
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 \| 11:39 AM <b>Okay, let's just stick to the topic of chain letters and drop the insults and random nonsense postings.</b>
Greg	Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 \| 01:03 PM Chary....I thought thats what you and Spanky were doing. Sending random and nonsense postings.
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 \| 01:44 PM Case in point, Greg. You insult both Cranky and myself without addressing the questions put to you about your claims of legality regarding chain letters. This is behaviour which borders on trolling.
Cranky Media Guy Member	Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 \| 07:39 PM Greg said: "Chary....I thought thats what you and Spanky were doing. Sending random and nonsense postings." Greg, I have consistently responded to the false statements about chain letters made by you and others by linking to outside sources (like the U.S. Postal Service's website) to support my position. You, Amanda and others, on the other hand, have NEVER provided a single credible source in defense of your position. If there are "random and nonsense postings" here, they aren't coming from ME. Speaking of definitive sources, here's one I was planning on posting soon: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/chainalrt.shtm
greg	Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 \| 08:04 PM Today is only yesterdays tomorrow
greg	Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 \| 08:05 PM was that random nonsense??
Amanda	Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 \| 12:39 AM So let the courts determine it then! However grabbing that quote was to simply prove that you were wrong to declare that the mailing list is illegal. It had nothing to do with the defense that chain letters are legal. Cranky you need to pay attention a little better, and stop making assumptions and misconstruing what people post. I'm not here to debate with you, nor do I have the time or desire to play with you in your twisted little world. I will touch base with the rest of you and let you know how it goes. Rain or shine I'll post the results. Love you Greg! Where's David and Tonya?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 \| 02:22 AM Amanda said: "I'm not here to debate with you, nor do I have the time or desire to play with you in your twisted little world." Gee, you sure had me fooled. I could have sworn you were debating me. "I will touch base with the rest of you and let you know how it goes. Rain or shine I'll post the results." How WHAT goes? You keep claiming that your "mailing list" is NOT a chain letter. Amanda, does it involve the people on the list sending money to the person at the top of the list, etc.? If not, what exactly are you doing on this thread? I'm sure that a discussion group or website for operators of legitimate mailing lists exists somewhere. Why would you be HERE rather than THERE? Let's cut the crap. I know, you know and everyone else here knows you are operating a chain letter. As I've shown you repeatedly, chain letters which ask for money are ILLEGAL and DON'T WORK. I showed you where the Post Office says that the exact statute which YOU linked to prohibits chain letters. I've also showed you where the Federal Trade Commission says chain letters are illegal. You have provided NO evidence to the contrary. I've told you all along that you aren't really arguing with ME but with the Post Office and FBI. By all means, please let us all know how your mailing-list-which-is-NOT-a-chain-letter "works" for you. I'll be fascinated to see that, to be honest. Just don't expect me to pretend that I don't know what it really is.
Amanda	Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 \| 02:26 AM LOL :lol:
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 \| 02:32 AM Randy said: "I have been doing chain letters and MLM since early 80,s. Won some and lost some. It,s my time, my cash. You got a problem with me posting in here, meet me at the 29th st. exit on I-64 in West Virginia. I will beat you like a stray dog with mange." Wow, that's World Class Stupid! It isn't every day you see a person both confess to committing a Federal crime (over a 20-plus-year period, no less) AND threaten violence on a public forum. If you're assuming that there can be no negative ramifications for those actions, you are very mistaken. So, Randy, do you actually LIVE on the off-ramp of I-64? How else could you be sure to be there when someone arrived?
Cranky Media Guy Member	Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 \| 01:09 AM Hmm, seems that once you take away the personal insults and violent fantasies, the chain letter defenders don't have a whole lot left to say.
Greg	Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 \| 06:40 AM WOW I think you miss us...... We are just taking a break from your annoying "tunnel-vision" opinions and remarks. We will all be back soon as soon as we have some time to waste on you!!!!
Amanda	Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 \| 08:49 AM I thought you finally lost it and did yourself in.
Greg	Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 \| 11:05 AM No I don't think he is into that. He's just into being annoying. But remember....He is the king of this forum. Without his annoying presence we would be nothing but mere fading voices (and fingers) talking to a sphere of emptiness. Wow....it's also like that with his annoying presence. Face it...we need him. Unless of course there is another just like him. NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Does anybody know what he looks like??
Greg	Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 \| 11:07 AM Slimey Media Guy....Don't ever leave us!!!!
Greg	Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 \| 11:35 AM If it had chat we would all get fired........We are all working aren't we????
Greg	Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 \| 12:00 PM Dude....you confused me for a minute when you said Arnold. The first Arnold that came to my mind was Arnold Ziffle from Green Acres..... I tried to picture him saying "I'll be back"
Orlando	Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 \| 04:46 PM :-) Reading this is like reading the books of Cronics in the Bible. Almost 3 years, WOW, and I hasn't seen anybody that sent these letters being prosecuted. Does anybody knows somebody in jail for this? I don't think so. Yesterday while I was walking to my mail box outside of my house I stop and looked at my garage door. My first think was "dude I need to replace that" then I looked at my grass, and so, and so, and so and realized that my old house need to be fixed and I don't have the money to do it for a while (unless I refinance my house which is the worst scam ever). When checked at my mail I receive the same chain from April Gonzalez in Kuna, ID (I think after 3 years still working)and since last night I hasn't sleep well thinking in this freaking letter. I researched over the internet like never before and there is thousands of people doing the same thing also with Paypal and finally I saw this forum with real people. what I am going to do to find out if this work is doing my own investigation. I will record everything for a period of 6 month and them post the result in a web page that I will create. If I win, good. If not, at least people will find out if is true or false that this can work. PD: one more question: Are mailing list illeagal? If not, My brother have over 500,000 address and I will probbably make a living out of that 😊
Orlando	Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 \| 06:31 PM :-( Honestly I don't think I will do this, let me just work hard!!! Please guys read this: "My name is Karen Liddell; I'm a 35-year-old mom, wife, and part-time accountant. As a rule, I delete all unsolicited "junk" e-mail and use my account primarily for business. I received what I assumed was this same e-mail countless times and deleted it each time." For the past few years, a chain letter with the above introduction has been circulating around the Internet. The chain letter describes how you can send $5.00 to four strangers, place your name on a list, and then make a large amount of money. Most significantly, the letter insists that chain letters of this sort are legal because a "product is being offered." That is false. As I have learned, this chain letter is against the law in all fifty states. And I'm paying dearly for it. I am the Karen Liddell who wrote that letter. It's true that I was a 35-year-old housewife. It's not true that I'm an accountant; I added that part to make the chain letter seem legitimate. I didn't see the harm in what I thought to be a minor lie. Most importantly, I did not earn the money I claimed to. When I wrote that introduction, I had just received the chain letter, and I thought that embellishing it with a new introduction would encourage people to participate. The past few years have been very difficult for me. I have been harrassed via e-mail, and threatening letters have been mailed to my house. Most importantly, I have been contacted by the U.S. Postal Service. First, they sent me a letter. Then, as they received more complaints, they called me. Then, they summoned me to a hearing, where I was fined for doing this. All mail to my house is now being redirected to the U.S. Post Office and I have to wait several days before receiving it. My reputation is ruined, and many times when I try applying for a job, I get asked about if I'm the one on the chain letter. When I say "yes", usually that's when the interview ends. This chain letter, like all chain letters which request money, is illegal. The parts about it being legal due to a "product being sold" were added by a con artist to fool people into thinking it was legal. It fooled me. And, by the number of copies of the letter I've seen with my name on it, it's fooled a lot of you, too. The odds are probably small that you will be caught if you participate in a chain letter on the Internet. They made an example out of me. I urge you not to take the chance. Do not participate in this chain letter. If you receive any mail or see any Web site which asks you to send cash to a list of people, be wary. If it says it's legal, it's probably just to fool you. More Information: http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/~watrous/liddell-reports-chain-letter.html
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 \| 12:20 AM I'm confused, Orlando. Are you saying you ARE or ARE NOT going to get involved in a chain letter? "what I am going to do to find out if this work is doing my own investigation. I will record everything for a period of 6 month and them post the result in a web page that I will create." Great idea! That will save the Postal Service's investigators a LOT of work. No worries, though. Greg says chain letters are legal (even though every available FACT says otherwise) so you CAN'T POSSIBLY get into trouble. And pigs fly.
Orlando	Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 \| 12:22 PM Cranky says: "I'm confused, Orlando. Are you saying you ARE or ARE NOT going to get involved in a chain letter?" At this point, the reason why I like to get involve was to do this investigation and then post it in YouTube for the video and my own web page for my conclusions. After what happen with that 35 yr old mom I got a little bit scarry. I will like to know if I/you/or any person posses a mailing list and sell it is illegal. It's clear that the two mailing list companies listed in the letters are the winners and they probably started this whole thing.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 \| 12:25 AM Orlando, under normal circumstances, selling a mailing list is NOT illegal. They become illegal when their purpose is for people on the list to mail money to each other. Please understand that I'm not a lawyer and that is a VERY loose explanation. The bottom line is that LEGITIMATE mailing lists (as many companies maintain and some large companies sell) are legal and chain letters are ILLEGAL. Be very careful with your actions.
Orlando	Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 \| 02:42 PM Thanks Cranky Media Guy, I really do appreciate your advice. Sometimes it's really hard to accept when we are doing something wrong.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 \| 12:34 AM Thanks for saying that, Orlando. As you seem to have come to realize, it's very easy to convince ourselves that what we're doing is OK, especially when there's the temptation of easy money dangling in front of us. As I've said before, the odds of getting caught running a chain letter are probably low. If you DO, however, the Postal Service's investigative unit has a VERY high rate of conviction. Besides, you seem like a decent guy; how good would you feel knowing you cheated other people out of money, even if it was just a small amount from each of them?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 \| 01:05 PM WV asswhooper said: "I,m getting money in the mail. Funny I havent been arrested." There should be a "yet" at the end of that sentence. You may never get arrested, but the fact that you haven't yet is not proof that you WON'T. "But then again as CMG said I didnt originate the letter." I don't think I've ever said anything like that. Anyway, the fact that the chain didn't originate with you isn't relevant. If you'll look at the material which has been quoted or linked to here previously, you'll see that it's also illegal to participate in a chain. You don't have to be the one who STARTED it. "It,s all illegal if you wanna say it is." It isn't what I or anyone else here says that's relevant. It's what the Postal Service and the FBI say that matter. "I dont really give a rats ass one way or another." Easy to say that when you haven't gotten into trouble for something. I suspect you'd care a LOT if and when you were indicted. You've admitted here that you know who started the chain; that information could be of interest to authorities investigating the chain. "Anal and oral sex is illegal in many states. Done both, still walking free." Irrelevant. It makes no sense to compare private sexual behavior which involves no third party to a chain letter which takes money from people under a false premise.
Greg	Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 \| 08:30 PM Hey if you are married your wife takes money under false premise........and maybe participates in some of that illegal sexual behavior in return. Wow, that puts her in double jeopardy. Anyway, just the thought of the FBI investigating a 6 dollar chain letter, makes me worry about how our judicial system is using our tax dollars. Do you think if someone got busted participating in a chain letter they would soon befriend people like, The Son Of Sam......Jeffery Dahmer......Charles Manson, or even Lincoln Burrows?????
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 12:33 AM Greg said: "Hey if you are married your wife takes money under false premise........and maybe participates in some of that illegal sexual behavior in return. Wow, that puts her in double jeopardy." Nonsense. A married couple has joint ownership of property under the law. Besides, even if your point made sense, you'd be employing the "two wrongs make a right" false logic. "Anyway, just the thought of the FBI investigating a 6 dollar chain letter, makes me worry about how our judicial system is using our tax dollars." Well, the Postal Service's investigative unit would be the lead law enforcement organization looking into a chain letter as it is charged with enforcing postal law. The FBI would only come into it if needed. Besides, no chain letter is a "6 dollar chain letter." It may be 6 dollars PER PARTICIPANT but as you well know, the intent is to involve as many people as possible. After all, how many times have you and other people here talked about how much they hope to make from participating in one? You certainly aren't going into it to make 6 dollars! "Do you think if someone got busted participating in a chain letter they would soon befriend people like, The Son Of Sam......Jeffery Dahmer......Charles Manson, or even Lincoln Burrows?????" Huh? I can't follow you there. Besides, as I keep saying over and over, it isn't about what I think. It's about what the LAW thinks. Federal law says that chain letters involving money are ILLEGAL. All the arguing with me you care to do will NOT change that simple fact.
Greg	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 06:17 AM Blanky.....you are the most hard headed and maybe the dumbest man I have ever come across. I sincerely mean that. What does having joint ownership under the law have to do with your wife taking money from you? It is obvious you have never been married. Who would want you???? MRS. CRANKY...where are you? I SAID: "Do you think if someone got busted participating in a chain letter they would soon befriend people like, The Son Of Sam......Jeffery Dahmer......Charles Manson, or even Lincoln Burrows?????" Cranky SAID: Huh? I can't follow you there. Why can't you follow me when I mentioned real criminals? (except for Lincoln Burrows of course) What you really meant was "DUH...I CANT FOLLOW YOU"
Greg	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 06:19 AM Now I know you are a dumbocrat Spanky.......
Amanda	Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 \| 05:47 PM I'm getting money! neener, neener neener!
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 01:16 AM You know, Greg, if I had a perfectly legal way to make 10 times my money with little effort, I wouldn't spend five seconds on this forum. I'd take every dollar I had or could borrow and put it all into multiple chain letters. Then I'd take my incredible profit and put that back into chain letters. Soon, I'd be supervising a room full of employees working three shifts, seven days a year, doing nothing but opening the envelopes filled with money that poured in to me. I'd be too busy flying around the world in my private jet to bother with silly things like arguing online. Actually, Greg, I know why you aren't doing that. I shouldn't tell you this, but what the hell. Once a month, during the full moon, I sneak quietly down to the local Grange Hall. There, waiting for me, are every woman you've ever dated, along with the Postmaster General of the United States and the Director of the FBI. Once I've arrived and the door is locked behind me, we collectively decide how to keep you from making that sweet, sweet LEGAL chain letter money. We are all Democrats, of course. Even though the Postal Service and the FBI say that chain letters are illegal, that's a lie and not the real reason you aren't farting through silk underwear, Greg. No, Greg, as you've long suspected, the world IS out to keep you from getting ahead. Especially the evil women and the Democrats. Oh, and me, of course.
Computer Guru	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 05:21 AM Take the Democrats and Postal Service out of it. you what Al Gore Invented, The Internet (or was he dishonest about that too" just use the Paypal method, save your stamp if you really want to do this. If the FBI really wanted to arrest someone they should arrest those diet pills makers that are on TV they say " If it was not true we couln't say it on TV" They are selling you a pill that will reduce your weight so they can make money, you don't loose the weight but they still get the money. and new one like this pop-up daily so it this a TV chain.... By the way Democrats you can use this for your lies this year I'm tired of the "I approved this message" so just use " If it wasn't true I coun't say it on TV." If all about the Cranky Media Guy, Democrats, and the Postal Service. Just be sure you add them to your chain letter and they will look the other way.....
Computer Guru	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 05:37 AM Now that I had my fun. I really have one question for the ones of you that are doing this or thinking of doing this. since this letter is saying as seen on Opera Winfrey and 20/20 can someone tell me which of these episodes it was on? I can't seem to find it, if it was on Opera Winfrey we should turn here in to the FBI to see how they handle it so all of this debating can end. http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/chains.htm
Computer Guru	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 06:03 AM Man you got to love Google.com Seems Oprah may have heard the FBI was after her so they delete the episode so no one would find it and put this statement on her website. She must be a Democrat. Ol well I've had my fun for the day. I just seen this site as I was looking for information to show the old saying Mom always says is true. "If it sounds to go to be true, it probably is." Cranky Media Guy hope I didn't make you mad just a little fun before I had to bring the truth to the Get rich quick. O'l by the way do a google search for Oprah and the $5 dollar chain letter, you can do this one and still have a $1 to play the Lotto this week. by the way this link to Oprah's statemant can be found here. http://www2.oprah.com/email/email_scam.jhtml By the way Look for my new Spam letter Doctor Phil is promoting it this week LOL
Greg	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 08:08 AM I only have one question after your last bit of nonsense Cranky.....How did you know I wear silk underwear???? Have you been wayching me?????
Greg	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 08:08 AM watching.....sorry for the typo
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 01:54 PM Sheesh, Greg, with every woman you've ever dated along with the Postmaster General, the Director of the FBI...and me involved, do you honestly think there's ANYTHING about you we DON'T know? Oh, I forgot the Democratic National Committee. By the way, I said you WEREN'T farting through silk underwear. Nice try at confusing me.
Greg	Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 \| 09:35 PM I wasn't trying to confuse you....I never fart through my silk underwear...you were right. They get sticky.MMMMMMMMMM
Pedro	Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 \| 06:31 PM Uff!! I sent like 250 of those letters like 2 months ago and so far I has receive $1547 dollars. First 3 weeks and a half I was dissapointed (only 24 dollars). The thing works for me. I fixed finally my car that was sitting there (in the garage) for weeks. If somebody receive a letter from me thanks for the $1 and I hope you guys do better than me. PD: The "uff" means that probably if I would find this forum my car would never be fix. The post office probably makes a lot of money with letters like this one and also the 25 billion dollar industry (mailing list companies)
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 \| 12:36 AM Pedro, whether you realize it or not (and whether you want to believe it or not), you just confessed to a crime using the U.S. mail on a public forum. Has it ever occurred to you that the Postal Service's investigators could be monitoring this forum? I have NO inside knowledge of such a thing, but it's certainly a possibility. You guys bragging about breaking the law certainly makes their job easier. Please do NOT say that you haven't broken the law; if you look at earlier postings here, you'll find links to the exact law involved. "The post office probably makes a lot of money with letters like this one and also the 25 billion dollar industry (mailing list companies)" And the point of that is what? Chain letters are illegal as has been PROVEN here several times. Yes, the Postal Service derives some income from the stamps used on the envelopes of chain letters. That does NOT mean that participating in a chain letter is legal. After all, General Motors makes money from the sale of autos used as getaway vehicles. That doesn't make robbing a bank legal.
Greg	Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 \| 09:05 AM Hey Chachi, The more you talk....the dumber you sound.
Greg	Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 \| 10:22 AM Blanky....are you a Democrat??
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 \| 01:56 PM Personal insults: the last resort of those who have nothing relevant to contribute.
Greg	Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 \| 02:38 PM Think about it Chunky...most of the insults that have been flying around on here are relevant contributions. You just try to give such professional, formal and "law Biding" responses, and it annoys the crap out of everyone. So in turn we give you our relevant insults. Have you ever torn the do not remove label from a mattress? Blinky, have you ever copied a CD or a DVD? Has anyone ever given you a copied CD or DVD? BE HONEST!!!!! Remember...The FBI is watching you. By the way...are you a Democrat? If you are, thats almost a crime. GO NIXON!!!!! Whoops another criminal. I heard that Watergate was all about...Democratic chain letters discovered by Nixon. And George Washington...why do you think his picture is on the one dollar bill? The original plan was to only put his picture on six bills and send them out to six different people. But he got greedy and sent out 200 letters. It was difficult addressing them all in candle-light. Then all those bills with his picture on, started rolling in. 800,000 of them. He cut down the cherry tree for a coverup. But they caught on to him and he never got to live in the Whitehouse. Now...let here something relevant from you Skunky.
Greg	Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 \| 02:39 PM Let's hear...sorry
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 \| 12:34 AM Greg said: "You just try to give such professional, formal and "law Biding" responses, and it annoys the crap out of everyone." Accurate information about chain letters is completely on topic. Sorry if the truth annoys you, but I think that goes into the file labeled "Your problem." "So in turn we give you our relevant insults." Personal insults are NOT relevant. Apparently you have completely abandoned the notion of actually trying to defend the legality of chain letters in favor of pitching juvenile insults at me. I suspect that speaks volumes to anyone who comes here to get information about the actual topic of chain letters. "Have you ever torn the do not remove label from a mattress? Blinky, have you ever copied a CD or a DVD? Has anyone ever given you a copied CD or DVD? BE HONEST!!!!! Remember...The FBI is watching you." And if I have ever done any of those things, how exactly does that justify participating in a chain letter or change the legality of doing so? You were probably taught this when you were young, but you seem to have forgotten: TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT. Besides, as you may be aware, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has brought hundreds of lawsuits against people it accuses of illegally downloading music. I'm not taking a position on this one way or the other (as it isn't relevant here) but your using that as an example of a crime that people don't get into trouble for is inaccurate. Just as a point of interest, it is NOT illegal for an individual to remove the tag from a pillow. It's illegal for the MANUFACTURER to remove the tag. Tear all the tags off pillows that you want. Have fun. Nothing you've said in this posting or in any other disproves what I'm shown you conclusively: participating in a chain letter involving money is ILLEGAL.
Mercedes Toro	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 \| 12:35 AM Get over your self with the "IT'S ILLEGAL." crap like your all cool. You're saying it like everyone else is retarted for wanting to break a harmless law to actually feel finacialy stable. Yah Yah so you know for a fact that it's illegal and you garentee and all that but I work my ass off, my fingers to the bone, and I go to school and I would absoluty team up with other struglers in the world in order to get us all rich, Legal or Illegal! So here's my advice to you, "Stop bein such a baby and agree to faithfully participate with this letter, and I will too, and I'll encourage everyone else to do the same, and then all will be good.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 \| 12:50 AM Mercedes Toro said: "Get over your self with the "IT'S ILLEGAL." crap like your all cool. You're saying it like everyone else is retarted for wanting to break a harmless law to actually feel finacialy stable." First off, Mercedes, chain letters are NOT harmless. As I've very patiently explained several times now, there is no such thing as Magic Money. IF you make any money with a chain letter, it's coming from other people in the chain who LOSE their money. If you DO get ten times your money out of the chain (and that's a HUGE "if"), there HAS to be nine other people who LOST THEIR MONEY. There is NO other way for the chain to "work." "Yah Yah so you know for a fact that it's illegal and you garentee and all that but I work my ass off, my fingers to the bone, and I go to school and I would absoluty team up with other struglers in the world in order to get us all rich, Legal or Illegal!" So, you think that you DESERVE to be able to break the law because you work for a living? So do most people, including the people who LOSE their money in chain letters. Why should they give THEIR hard-earned money to YOU? "So here's my advice to you, "Stop bein such a baby and agree to faithfully participate with this letter, and I will too, and I'll encourage everyone else to do the same, and then all will be good." I'll ask you the same question I've asked every other chain letter defender, Mercedes: If chain letters work as you think they do, why does ANYONE have a job? Why don't we all just mail cash to each other and live off the Magic Money that somehow generates? Oh, while I'm at it, let me ask you another question. Since chain letters have been around for decades and aren't exactly a secret, where are the people who have made millions of dollars from them? Why aren't they featured on the covers of financial publications? Hmm, could it be because chain letters are ILLEGAL and DON'T WORK?
LT	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 \| 11:17 AM Cranky, It is obvious that you are on this forum to deter people from involving theirselves in an illegal chain letter. Or you just live on the internet with no life...anyhow i am glad you are here... I just got the letter, but I WILL ALWAYS RESEARCH BEFORE ANY INVESTMENT. From what I have read, it is impossible for this particular letter to CHEAT anyone. The investment is only $6 and the price of printing. Because I figure whats wrong with copying the pages and distributing the letter yourself as if you were the mailman, and since it is illegal to mail currency through the mail... lets use money orders or something... it will cost you a few extra bucks for money orders, but you save quite a bit by not using stamps. i think that would for sure take the illegality out of it as long as you are not "REQUESTING" money, but selling an opprotunity to be on a mailing list.
Greg	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 \| 12:05 PM WOW....no entries between the 15th and the 26th. Spanky...I guess you have been sucking Turkey for 10 days. MMM MMMM Good!! Hey has anyone out there been scammed out of six bucks recently? The Florida holiday raffle is 20 dollars a ticket. Thats highway robbery. More chances to win. More winners. Get yours now, become the next millionaire. That sounds like a scam to me. But guess what? I bought one. AAAAHH They got me!!!! OK Shanky, lets hear your "But the Lottery is legal" line. They say billions are going to the schools in FL from lottery money, but my kids still have to buy their own school supplies every year. When I was a kid there was no Lottery and we never had to buy our own supplies. Who's scamming the public now.....out of billions. BUT..Let's not take six bucks from someone. Wahwah Like I said before Blanky..you sound dumber all the time. You really believe that you are doing a good thing by fighting against the "chain gangs of America" or should I say Chain Letter Gangs"?
Charybdis in Hell Member	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 \| 12:30 PM Greg, please explain why it is okay for you to con other people out of their money. I don't care about lotteries or the government or any of that crap, I want to know why you feel you have the right to scam me and take my money. I await your answer.
Greg	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 \| 12:56 PM IT is alive..... I'm not scamming anyone. I haven't even tried this thing yet. Do you know what? You are almost as sharp as Slanky with your intermittent meaningless punches to the groin. You didn't even really reply to my input. You are just a repetitive robot like your buddy out there. Both of you act like Chain Letters are the only scam that exists. You cant even smell a legal scam when it craps on you. I think you both tried this letter at one time and didn't get any returns....BOO HOO!!! Now you are trying to get back at society. Am I right?????? Come on now, be 100% truthful. You tried it didn't you? Splanky...how about you? Hey everyone. They got burnt by a stupid chain letter. HaHaHaHa
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 \| 01:22 PM L.T. said: "Because I figure whats wrong with copying the pages and distributing the letter yourself as if you were the mailman, and since it is illegal to mail currency through the mail... lets use money orders or something... it will cost you a few extra bucks for money orders, but you save quite a bit by not using stamps. i think that would for sure take the illegality out of it as long as you are not "REQUESTING" money, but selling an opprotunity to be on a mailing list." Where did you get the notion that it's illegal to send currency through the mail? If you take the time to read through this thread (yes, it's long, but the information is there), you'll find that the whole "asking to be put on a mailing list" thing has been refuted several times. No, sorry, substituting money orders for cash won't make a chain letter legal. The law addresses the exchange of things of value (or words to that effect). A money order, since it can be exchanged for cash, would certainly qualify as having substantial value. Don't believe me. Ask an attorney or contact the postal authorities to find out for yourself. Don't you think that, if this loophole worked, someone else would have thought of it by now?
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 \| 01:33 PM Greg said: "They say billions are going to the schools in FL from lottery money, but my kids still have to buy their own school supplies every year. When I was a kid there was no Lottery and we never had to buy our own supplies. Who's scamming the public now.....out of billions." Greg, once again you employ the false logic of "two wrongs make a right." If you believe that the Florida lottery is being run illegally or immorally, the way to handle that is to contact your legislators, or a lawyer if they don't take action. Instead of that, you rationalize that you are now justified in running your own scam. You keep mentioning "six dollars" as if that's the total you want to take in with your little scam. That's disingenuous. As you well know, the whole idea is to take a small sum from many people. After all, you chain letters defenders have bragged over and over about how much you expect to make. It isn't about "six dollars." As for me allegedly having been scammed by a chain letter in the past, sorry, but no. I'm not dumb enough to get involved with an illegal scam that has been around for decades. Only a very stupid person or someone too lazy to read any of the readily available information on chain letters and why they don't work would fall for one. As usual, Greg, in the absence of any actual FACTS to support your position, you resort to name calling. Since every single point you've tried to make has been conclusively refuted over and over, I guess that's all you really have.
Cranky Media Guy	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 \| 01:34 PM Besides, Greg, how could I be "burned" by a chain letter when, according to you, they are perfectly legal and work as advertised? Are you now ready to concede what's been painfully obvious for months, that chain letters are ILLEGAL and DON'T WORK?
Greg	Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 \| 01:45 PM Wait one minute....I'm banging my head against the wall. What do you mean running my own scam. Dude Like I said I haven't even tried it YET. Also, I never said the Lottery was illegal. I just said that it takes money from people who need it. Why Are there always signs for Gamblers anonymous all around the streets by any casino. Because the owners know they are taking money from poor people trying to get rich. So they try to justify it by offering help. Jokers....this is a 6 dollar game. If you lose you don't have to file bankruptcy. I don't even know why there would be much available info on chain letters. They are just fun games to try to turn your 6 bucks into 60 or 600 or whatever. Did you graduate from Highschool? Are you a Democrat? Did you ever play cards for small change as a kid? I'm ramblinggggg.....you guys are making me crazy with your straight laced tunnel vision point of view.AARRGGHHH
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