MOH Forum: Pentagon Plane

Pentagon Plane

Posted By:
Jim
Sep 06, 2004

Here is a Flash animation that perpetuates the hoax of a French author about what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11/01. The implication is that it was not a plane that hit but a missle.
http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=1568
However, despite the claim that there was no aircraft wrekage, a short Google search leads to many images showing twisted aluminum, luggage and an engine. Selective images can be used to promote any absurd theory, as any examination of a 'Moon Program was a hoax' site will show

Category: Conspiracy-Theory; Replies: 38

Comments

David Gridley	Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 \| 02:43 PM You mean the Moon program "wasn't" a hoax? 😉
Terry Austin	Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 \| 02:58 PM Not to mention multiple eye witnesses who watched the plane hit the building. The French are idiots.
Hairy Houdini	Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 \| 08:22 PM To be a bit more precise, it's not just "The French" who have postulated the theory that it was no airliner that hit the Pentagon. Several sites have shown photos of the hole left in the Pentagon, and if those photos are unretouched, they show a hole approximately 60 feet wide, and 45 feet high. The dimensions of the airliner are approx. 125 feet wide (wingspan) and 65 feet high (tail section). Witness accounts have said that the airliner came in low and scraped the ground for hundreds of feet before hitting the Pentagon, yet many photos show trees 100 feet or so from the impact point that were untouched. Several surveillance cameras in the surrounding area along the purported jet's path have not shown images of the airliner on approach...Did the jet's wings fold back symetrically? Did the fire that was hot enough to burn metal to ashes leave the papers in the offices exposed by the impact unsinged? Too many questions to flippantly suggest that any who wonder are conspriracy nuts... I don't cite this guy as any authority- his is the only site I have available to reference: www.911inplanesite.com Curiouser and curiouser, Alice
a guy	Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 \| 09:47 AM If you think the french are idiots, then perhaps you should give them back the statue of liberty, or the countless other contributions that they made to your country. also: much of this confusion over the bomb/plane issue stems from this: reporters who visited the pentagon on unrelated stories that day (like a team from the TOday show) reported hearing "what sounded like a bomb" in the pentagon. of course, no one ever says "that sounded like a plane crash" so the rumour got some factual steam.
Lenny Carlson	Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 \| 03:40 PM In the video it mentions a few times "that the tapes were never released" I think that the government is a little more busy studying the tapes to call up CNN. "Yeah here is the tape." CNN was probably too busy filling the channels with stories about 9/11. And I hope no one is using the "tapes never returned" argument. Do you know how fast those things would end up on ebay.
yea	Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 \| 03:13 AM your fucking stupid. its been years and they still havnt shown them. your fucking brainwashed your mind cant accept the fact that maybe it wasnt what the news said happen maybe your country betrayed you. they could have at least given clips and of course they wouldnt give the real video fuck you
Lenny Carlson	Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 \| 01:23 PM It is people like you "yea" that make message boards like this pointless at times. This is a place for a discussion and you reply was "u're stupid" "fuck you"
Mrs. Wilson	Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 \| 06:05 AM Yea, really! I thought I taught you better. It's you're, not your. Go to the back of the class. Mrs. Wilson, your 6th grade English teacher.
Flexion	Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 \| 10:26 PM What you're seeing on the Internet is a familiar tactic. To take away from the real fact finding, idiot stories like "there was no plane that crashed into the Pentagon" are put forth into the media. It just adds to the confusion. The fact is, a plane did crash into the Pentagon. There was wreckage. It hit right at the ground and actually went into the first floor (below ground). The people died. It was done by idiot terrorists. I wish people would spend more time using the mind to reasonably question such idiotic theories than juts blindly accepting (and perpetuating) any moronic theory that is put forth on the web. C'mon folks.
Lenny Carlson	Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 \| 07:57 AM People just like to make up conspiraces with a thin amount of information. Always saying that the CIA has something to do with messing with the government. But of those those people live in little shacks coming up with these ideas. When I was looking at the videos for the Pentagon I saw on a site that said that a plane didnt hit one of the towers, it was a fighter jet. Some people really need a hobby.
Simon Russell	Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 \| 05:43 PM i have a question, why wasnt there the same amount of smoke and burning as there was in the World Trade center? i live in nyc and there was smoke for days after, (around 4 days) why was the fire put out so easily? also, what about all the undamaged objects in and around the pentagon? in the film of the smaller plane "hitting" the pentagon, you see a small white streak, which is left by a missle after passing by, "bunker busting" missiles can do the same exact damage shown in this flash film, including the "little punctured hole". I do belive that my government is lying about many things, this, J.F.K. Marlyn Monroe, and many other things, im sad to say it but i can no longer trust my own government.
Lenny Carlson	Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 \| 05:49 PM It does seem like the government has done a lot of questionable things. Do you think that there really was a moon landing, or aliens?
fjm	Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 \| 10:38 PM simon russel... then leave the country... thanks
H.E	Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2004 \| 04:29 PM Thats right people, go ahead and believe everything that the media feeds you. Conspiracies never happen. Government officials never lie. Everything you hear on FOX new is also true. Close your minds and you will be left unharmed. Oh yeah, and never question the government... they are angelic...
Michael A Cioffi	Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 \| 04:59 PM FUCK THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA'S BUSH ! ! !
Paul	Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 \| 05:02 PM Michael, you do realize that that the FBI and the NSA monitor this site. Expect a visit from them soon.
Hairy Houdini	Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 \| 06:31 PM Paul: what seems to be the general consensus or prevalent opinion regading 911 in Holland? We surely do not get enough world opinion here in the states... Really, what do they say about US in Holland? thank you, hairy
Myst	Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 \| 08:44 PM Here is an interesting article on the subject: http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/5053_comment.php
hank	Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 \| 06:38 AM There are certain things that are without question... Bush's posse shouldn't have been elected in the first place! Whoever it was that RE-elected them should be ashamed. Florida was the biggest voting scam since the last pre-invasion Iraqi election. Team Bush opposed any and every attempt to recount the disputed votes becaue they knew they'd lose the popular vote. Which they did! The booing an egg-pelting Bush received on his way to be sworn in speaks volumes. The Bush Whitehouse refused to open a commission into 9/11 immediately. Noone has ever explained why! If your country was attacked so visciously would you not want to get things rolling to find out HOW, straight away? Bush etc. lied about Iraq's weapons and has placed thousands of America's children in harm's way for greed. The first Gulf War was about oil, so is this one. It just happens that Iraq is in the Middle East, therefore it's assumed that they are, or that they know, terrorists. This war has provided a recruitment bonanza for groups like al-Qaeda - it has proven everything Osama has ever said about the US. The US installed Saddam as a dictator in the first place so they could have a tame attack-dog in the Oil Belt, then they sold him the chemical weapons that he used on Iranian forces in the 80s - the very pretext they used to invade. An invasion which, by the way, breaches the US Constitution as well as International Law. Gulf War I happened because Saddam got off the leash and invaded an oil-rich, US-friendly dictatorship (Kuwait). Bush I didn't finish the job - why? The continuing unfolding torture stories of POWs in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay speak of a US military hierarchy (ultimately responsbile to the Commander-in-Chief) with no regard for International Law, the Geneva Conventions or basic human dignity. Colin Powell was ditched because he disagreed with the Bush Team assessment of - practically everything. Condi Rice will now be his willing Yes woman. The next four years will be spent wreaking so much havoc on the US economy (already the largest budget and foreign debt holes since the Depression), the US people (repressive Patriot Act) and the world (stop watching Fox! You might learn something from an impartial source) that it will take the next administrations decades to put it right. If any of them happen to be Democrats (who I still fail to be impressed by), the Republicans will blame THEM. Given Team Bush's willingness to lie, break laws and pretty much do what they want to achieve their own ends I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if they had anything more to do with 9/11 besides incompetence. I don't necessarily believe that they do, but if Sherriff George pointed to a cow today and said "Look, there's a cow" I would make sure it had horns and an udder. Even then I wouldn't be so sure.
Rex D.	Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 \| 06:06 PM Thanks for the link Myst, I find it interesting. I have been questioning the crash for a long time now, and am curious as to how the plane made it that far in the first place. I thought the airspace around the pentagon was restricted. If in fact it is, then wouldn't it be safe to say that the people monitoring that airspace really f#%$ed up, or that the plane was allowed to get to that point? Just something I heard a while back.
Charybdis	Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 \| 06:15 PM From what I gather, the airspace around the pentagon (and the White House, Capitol, etc) are restricted but there is so much air traffic in the immediate area (this is Washington) that a regularly scheduled flight that diverts simply moves to fast for anyone to react before the crash. Nobody expected suicides with passenger jets but rather a possible aerial attack from smaller, slower aircraft or sea-based attack planes (although a small prop-plane did manage to crash in to the White House a few years ago).
Rex D.	Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 \| 07:42 PM True dat', true dat'
Jay	Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 \| 11:09 AM I used to work in the building across the highway from the Pentagon. It was a plane that hit the Pentagon. Anyone claiming it wasn't is being stupid, in my opinion. There were many people who witnessed the crash. To say a plane didn't hit that building is saying those people on that flight didn't exist...and I think their grieving families would disagree.
Rex D.	Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 \| 04:55 PM Da plane boss, da plane.
Paul	Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 \| 05:24 PM Hairy, just saw your question. Must have overlooked it. Our government wants us to be "alert". And they are. If you forget a suitcase, box, pile of books they seal of entire train-bus stations, airports for HOURS. After the murder of Theo van Gogh a lot of arrests were made. Some of the suspects had links to those who bombed the trains in Spain in march. So after a few shake-ups....Holland is waking up to 9/11.
Paul	Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 \| 05:35 PM Hairy, On the US. Well.....Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.........but our guys are there. Luckily with only 1(? or 2) deaths. It's all down to Bush....we don't like him much. The dutch would have voted for Kerry (not me.....newspaper poll). The dutch want you to catch Osama Bin Laden and kick his ass until he can't feel his legs no more (just like any normal thinking person).
Paul	Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 \| 05:38 PM Wait a minute: On the Bush-Kerry thing. I wouldn't have voted for Bush either. I meant I didn't dream it up. Couple of newspapers actually took a poll.
Hairy Houdini	Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 \| 08:42 PM Paul- my condolences on the whole Theo Van Gogh affair. Another mess made worse by hatred. As an American, I too, would like to see Osama get his, but there is no shortage of idiots here who think Osama was in with Saddam, even after all that has happened. Very sad. Hatred and Bigotry win out over common sense and decency too many times, I'm afraid. Thank you for your comments
LiquidCh@os	Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 \| 12:34 PM America does hide many things, this is fact. The matter of something hit/exploded at the pentagon is fact. Conspiracy theories come from many places, but I personaly belive most of what our gov said was true. There is alot of evidence a plane hit the building. Now to prove it wrong comes down to physics. To completely prove that there was no plane, we would have to fly another plane into the building at exactly the right hight, speed, and angle. Another fact is that many people saw this happen. My concern is so many people saw the plane, and the impact, but many of these witnesses have completely different stories. After reading Ive seen people who stated no light poles were down from the plane, and others who said there were. Ive read that it hit the ground and bounced, or the wing touched the ground and spun it back up, and Ive heard that it never touched the ground. Ive read many things. But the fact is it hit the pentagon.
Hairy Houdini	Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 \| 01:53 PM And, of course, adding to the steaming soup of conspiracy theory, is the recent comment by US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, that referred to the plane downed over Pennsylvania as "shot down". I thought loose lips sink ships, not down planes. What a dumbass.
Freaky	Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 \| 09:09 PM "I wish people would spend more time using the mind to reasonably question such idiotic theories than juts blindly accepting (and perpetuating) any moronic theory that is put forth on the web." You say to people that they shouldn't accept these, as you put it, moronic theories without using their mind about it. Well how do you know that they are all mindless sheep JUST BECAUSE they don't believe what you do? So you are right? Maybe you watch Fox News and hang on every word they say. Then when people disagree with your ideas you say 'learn to think for yourself!'. If that's not being a hypocrite...
Freaky	Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 \| 09:09 PM TEST
Nettie in Perth, Western Australia Member	Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 \| 07:24 PM At the end of the day, does it really matter what hit the pentagon, or the fact that something did and people died? Should we really blame the US government for this or the terrorists who did it? Sure, the government might have had crucial information beforehand and didn't warn anyone about it but at the end of the day, they weren't the ones who actually carried out the attack. It's the same here is Australia. Some are saying that our government had been warned of terrorist attacks in indonesia and they didn't give out a travel warning. Then a lot of people died in the bali bombings. The Government may have acted irresponsibly but at the end of the day, it was a terrorist group who killed all thoses people. NOw look what you've made me do! I'm rambling... Am I even still making a valid point? Anyhow, I know what I'm getting at and that's all that really matters :cheese:
Mike Litoris	Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 \| 05:48 PM Hey Hank, for starters, it was Al "Mr. Internet inventor" Gore, that started the whole vote counting fiasco, and no matter how many times they were counted, he lost, Dumbass! Not one person was saying anything about being disinfranchised until they learned that the election was close in Florida. Why hasn't there been any liberal papers that have re-counted the votes and said that Al did win? Oh I know why, because he didn't win, the votes weren't there dipshit. Now I think that the republicans need to do a lot of work, and Bush isn't doing crap on the border, and this just opens the door for another 9/11. I'm not a republican, nor am I a democrat, but I'd sure vote for a democrat just as soon as they promise that they'll stop giving handouts to these people who sit on welfare and rape the system, and use my tax dollars to do it. I'd vote for a democrat as soon as they promise to drop the agenda of liberal minded teachings in school. Let's get back to focusing on reading, math, and what counts instead of trying to push for the school counselor to give the okay for my daughter to get birth control or an abortion. Those are things that I should be in control over, and I'll leave the math to the teachers okay! Maybe then we'll not be in the bottom of the barrel when it comes to scholastics.
Dave Scotese Member	Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 \| 09:24 PM I've been puzzling over this question for a while: Does it really matter whether or not there are government coverups? I feel that it is important, but it seems to me that my behavior won't change much whether I believe there was a coverup or not, so I'm not sure why it seems important to me. Maybe I think that when a government coverup is exposed, it makes a whole crapload of people wake up and smell the effluvia that the ruling class dumps on us. Still, does that really happen? I mean, have there been any conspiracy theories that led to a great change in human history? I mean, besides the theory that King George was screwing us, as put forward by Thomas Paine and which led to the birth of our country. Have there been any other?
ryan	Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 \| 01:30 AM go australia
Mark	Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 \| 01:29 PM 9/11 conspiracy theories are like noses.... Everyone has one. You're lunatics.
Rich	Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 \| 08:06 PM Conspiracy theorists....a bunch of extreme left wing liberal loons. According to them everything is a conspiracy no wonder they want a national health care plan. The shrinks will be very busy.

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