Way of the Master

image Dawn writes in with a question: I was looking at this site: http://www.wayofthemaster.com/
and thinking it was one of these movie/tv promotions that you have been talking about, but it actually seems real. It's very strange. Has Kirk Cameron, the former teen heart throb turned into a Christian preacher or am I being gullible?

Yes, Dawn, Way of the Master is very strange, but I'm afraid it's quite real. This is one of those sites that you hope (or pray) for it to be a joke. You sit there as they tell you that if you don't buy their overpriced DVD, then someone you love will GO TO HELL, and you think, 'they've got to be kidding.' But sadly, this isn't another satire like Objective: Christian Ministries or Landover Baptist Church. These 'Way of the Master' guys are quite serious. As they say, truth can sometimes be stranger than fiction.


Posted on Sun May 16, 2004


Objective: Christian Ministries is a dud link.

Landovewr good site though... thanks

Posted by Peter  on  Sun May 16, 2004  at  07:36 PM
You might not like what the website, "Way of the Master", says and you have a right to disagree. But don't say things that aren't so. I have never heard of the site until I saw it on your web page, so I looked it up. There are loads of free resources on the site and it is a sound evangelical web site.
I like your hoax site, but if you don't tell the truth, what's the point?
Posted by Betsy  on  Sun May 16, 2004  at  09:59 PM
Out of curiosity, what evidence brought you to the conclusion that Objective Christian Ministries was a hoax? I had stumbled upon it some months ago and I had to go through some research to reach the same verdict.
Posted by Virgil  on  Mon May 17, 2004  at  06:29 AM
I first saw this site as a link on cruel.com. I tried the same link a fews days later and got a quicktime file of Kirk saying, "You are a blasphemer." And there was just something in the way he said it, an emphasis on the word "you" and a little pause before the rest of the phrase came tumbling out of that perfect little teen heart-throb mouth of his, that made me fall off my chair peeing myself with laughter. I am so sad this site isn't a hoax. It's cruel to laugh at another person's religous fervor. Even if it is somebody who frequently and willingly appeared on the cover of Tiger Beat.
Posted by Miss-Black  on  Tue May 18, 2004  at  10:34 AM
I am interested to know where the site says someone you love will go to hell if you don't buy their DVD? Did you make this up to make the site look crazy because you think the view it promotes is crazy, or are you telling the truth? Thanks.
Posted by Amy  in  US  on  Tue May 25, 2004  at  03:45 PM
If you click on the 'I am a Christian' link and then listen to their flash presentation, in the course of that a message flashes up that says 'don't let your loved ones go to hell.'

But, you know, I remember the statement being far more direct than that. I think they might have toned it down a little in the past week.
Posted by The Curator  in  San Diego  on  Tue May 25, 2004  at  04:38 PM
Objective is real. There's a guy they support on there who is 100% real as a creationist that I've seen on TV. What's the proof it's a fake? Also Kirk had a column on their site at one point though I can't find the link now.
Posted by Rob  in  NYC  on  Fri Jan 28, 2005  at  02:15 PM
I don't know. I decided Objective Christian Ministries was a hoax due to the following text, used to advertise a thong in their Cafe Press store:
This uncomfortable undergarment will be a daily reminder to unmarried women to find a husband and a emergency moral reminder to her would-be-suitor. (For use under traditional underwear only.)
Posted by April  in  Pennsylvania  on  Thu May 19, 2005  at  01:50 AM
I mean really! C'mon!
Who wants to be told their wrong?
YOU ALL on this comment page??
As far as I know nobody does.
If your guilty your guilty. Thats it.
If you get mad, your mad b/c you know its true.

Why are you playing perfect or something?
Just admit your like the rest of the world.
OKAY! Have you lied? Stolen? Lusted?
and you have to face God when you die.
Innocent or guilty? I think you know.

BUT, since God doesn't want you to go to hell,
He sent His Son JESUS to take our punishment.
Just admit you've done wrong, and turn away from
it. Its not that hard to understand. You can't
work you way to Heaven. Thats in Galations ch 2.
In fact, read the book of John.

So what if you say I'm wrong~ b/c if I am,
then when I die, I rot in my grave- BUT... what
if it is the truth? which it is.
I'm covered either way!
Check out..
the evidence for the Bible. It's not as far
fetched as you may think. don't think you'll
get the STRAIGHT facts from an atheist site.
They tend to stretch the truth a little bit
about history.
I know because I took several years in History.
Remember, God loves you so much, you can never
possibly understand His love HE has for you.
Don't knock it till you try it.
-your friend adam
Posted by Adam  in  NC  on  Sat Oct 15, 2005  at  06:30 PM
go here and click the first video...
very interesting:

Posted by no comment  on  Mon Oct 24, 2005  at  12:16 AM
Objective Ministries is NOT a hoax site. They are dead serious, and they DO NOT have a CafePress store that sells a thong.

In fact Objective Ministries is actively trying to SHUT DOWN Landover Baptist which is a hoax site. Landover Baptist is the site that sells a Christian thong.
Posted by Aran  in  Oakland, CA  on  Mon Oct 31, 2005  at  10:25 AM
Objective Ministries is a hoax site. Here is a link on the Objective Ministries website for said thong.

Posted by William Fox  on  Sat Nov 05, 2005  at  11:36 PM
Wow the way of the master..they are the best sales people I have ever seen... they make people fell guilty by admiting their sin to kurk or the other guy..WOW....those two guys are not even priest ..they don't even have any real religious study's

see my point..John 8:7 "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" Jesus didn't condemn the woman, because He condoned her sin, but because the men who brought the woman to Him were Hypocrites. Jesus was the only person there that day who was free of sin, the only one who had the right to "cast the first stone." He didn't stone her (or her accusers), but instead forgave her and told her to "sin no more." "the KURK and the other guy" should know only god can forgive your sin ...and condemn people ...the way of the master presume that people like Kurk are non sinner saving others from sin.... when they are also sinners ...they are nothing but dust and they will to return to dust...

Remember the Catholic religion are the original Christian religion...so those other diluted faith like "the way of the master" they are group of people pushing their agenda within the vacuum of their belief....
Be careful ...of what they say ...
Posted by CATHOLIC  in  sd  on  Sat Mar 18, 2006  at  12:46 PM
Hey Guys,
Just for your knowledge, websites hosted by Kirk or Ray Comfort do not have any kind of saying, print, or message saying "You sit there as they tell you that if you don't buy their overpriced DVD, then someone you love will GO TO HELL, and you think, 'they've got to be kidding. by Sun" He or she is a liar him/herselve. And as for the entry from some person named CATHOLIC. First off, before you slander someone, research the subject so you don't look like a fool!!! "The other guy" Ray Comfort is in fact an ordained, college educated minister. 2nd Learn your own church history, idol worship - mary, eucharist, etc. Read what happened with the protestant splinter by a German Monk Martin Luther. READ YOUR CHURCHES HISTORY so you may not look LIKE THE FOOL. By the way, there are free audios and videos at http://www.wayofthemaster.com and www.livingwaters.com. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING!!!! The devil works overtime with some of you people. You folks defending the faith, thanks and God Bless!!!!
Posted by Jack  on  Mon Apr 10, 2006  at  03:30 PM

I am a true believer of the ministry of The Way Of The Master. I've only been able to watch it a few times and what they say is so clear... crystal clear. I have been trying to buy the DVD's on e-bay of the series but they command high prices. If anyone has a set and wants to make copies, I'll pay for the copies. Or, if you want to mail me yours I'll copy them in one day and return them back to you immediately. I am on disability and can't afford the luxury of $100.00 for the set. I have trouble reading so, the dvd is the best. I really want to hear more and more about this ministry. I've been to some "new age" sort of churches and they were fine, but they did not make the impact .. the immediate impact that I feel when I watch Kirk and Ray. I Understand!
Thank You

marty jones
Posted by marty jones  on  Fri Apr 21, 2006  at  08:57 PM
Marty, I recommend you go to Kirk's website http://www.wayofthemaster.com or Ray's http://www.livingwaters.com both have many free audio and video messages you can download. Beyond that, they are a ministry and they might be in a position to help you - or a better idea, ask your church to put the series in the church library or use it as a sunday school lesson. I hope that helps! God bless you.
Posted by Ron Shank  on  Mon Apr 24, 2006  at  08:29 AM
Marty, I've edited out your address. To me, asking for somebody to provide you with illegaly pirated copies of these DVD's doesn't seem like the Christian thing to do.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Mon Apr 24, 2006  at  12:41 PM
It saddens me to think that CATHOLIC in sd believes his own ranting. It angers me to think that others could read it and believe it. I'd suggest actually reading/watching/listening to something for even a minute, before making statements that are 180 degrees from the truth.

WOTM is based on sound Biblical teaching. CATHOLIC in sd implied that Kirk and Ray (whose name he didn't even know) see themselves as non sinners. 180 degrees off... They routinely tell the people who they are witnessing to that their own (Kirk's and Ray's) sins are likely worse and more numerous than those of the people they are talking to.

I'm no religion expert, but I think that Mary (Jesus' mother) is integral to the Catholic religion. I'm not sure how exactly Catholicism could be older than Christianity itself, as CATHOLIC in sd claims! If it is, then they must have believed something else before Jesus came along.

I'm not sure what Kirk's or Ray's official titles have to do with anything. If you are at the bottom of the pool with your big toe stuck in the drain, are you going to refuse my help unless I'm a certified SCUBA diver? I don't think so! God has used all sorts of characters throughout history, many times the person you'd least expect. Fishermen, tax collectors.... Paul persecuted many Christians before he was blinded by the Truth on the road to Damascus. Do we then discount everything he did after that (including writing many of the letters of the New Testament), because he had "a past"? That seems to be what some of you are doing, with the message of WOTM being delivered by "former teen idol Kirk Cameron". We all have "a past". Those who don't want to hear or accept the Message will always use the imperfections of the messenger to discount the Message. That is unfortunate. Shoot... Jesus Himself was not a "religious" man by early 1st century standards. He was despised by the "religious" people of His time on earth. He was only a lowly carpenter's son. People would have to be crazy to follow Him, right? What credibility did He have, to speak with authority on the things He spoke of? Thank God that not everyone is so narrow minded!

I can only assume that CATHOLIC in sd heard or read just enough of WOTM to begin feeling guilty, then stopped reading or watching, because most everything they wrote after talking about feeling guilty was pure fabrication.

I would challenge.... No, I would dare CATHOLIC in sd and anyone else to go and download some of the WOTM programs and actually listen to it. Don't believe what I've written. Don't believe what CATHOLIC in sd has written. Listen to it and decide for yourself what the truth is... If you dare!!!

Posted by schneiderdriver  in  Indiana  on  Sun May 21, 2006  at  07:24 AM
Hello People,
WOW, great comments.

I guess the truth is harder to swallow then I thought.

I have been training in the WOTM for 4 months now.
I have never brought a DVD or book.

I have downloaded all their free stuff and have used it for our Youth group.

The only thing I brought of Living waters was the silver coin and the 1 million dollar tracts.
These are great.

I have waited so long for something like this to come along.
Being able to witness to a non-believer with truth, conviction and the word.

I thank God that he has made these teachings known to this generation at this time.
Thank God for Krik and Ray, we have stray so far from the 10 Commandments.

People can argue all they want; we do not need to defend religions or faiths anymore.
We should get out there and fulfil the Great Commission.

Your brother in Christ
Posted by Ben Ngo  in  Australia  on  Tue May 22, 2007  at  09:40 PM
ok, seriously you way of the nutter people are really creepy .. first off, kirk and ray are idiots raspberry I am a atheist and forced myself to watch their vids. why? because it is important to know how crazy these people actually are. Be my guest and watch the bananna argument clip of theirs.. they should check out dawins notes on a certain moth and turlip raspberry *giggle* I should also point out that their belief of reality is closer to lord of the rings than actual reality..
Posted by incredible g  on  Wed Oct 17, 2007  at  06:19 AM
I a lot of Catholic hating about. But then, CATHOLIC's exposition is hardly profound or enlightening.


Posted by TJA  in  DC  on  Wed Feb 06, 2008  at  09:22 AM
Yeah yeah, we all sinners and we all go to hell. I have lied and as a child I have stolen candy, yes even now and than I've looked at a woman and thought to myself: She is beautiful, I sure would like to get closer to her! As an adult I do not lie, I do not steal and after a marriage of 26 years (my wife died) I'm not interested in a new relationship.
My children are grown up, living responsible lives as citizens. WOTM has a store, they sell stuff and they make a profit. That's all, folks. It's as simple as that. Give it all away for free and we'll talk. Until then: kidnappers and homosexuals are two different things. One is a kidnapper by choice, but one is born a homosexual. To compare these two as equal 'sins' is just incorrect.
They themselves tell us that the bible states homosexuals are born as such. Yeah, I did watch these WOTM presentations and I think it's a load of crap, they full of it.
Posted by Mikey  in  Belgium  on  Sun Mar 29, 2009  at  03:38 AM
Check this out for some common sense: http://www.atheistnation.net/video/?video/01330
Posted by Mikey  in  Belgium  on  Sun Mar 29, 2009  at  03:45 AM
What Kirk and Ray are sharing with the world is such a blessing. They are examples of people being used by God. I've been praying for some time now for the Holy Spirit to guide me and direct me into what God wants me to do with my faith in his son, Jesus. Then one day the Holy Spirit spoke to me, out of the blue, when I was tending to my children. I wrote down Kirk's name and a ? mark on a paper and told myself to check him out on the web later, after I got my little ones to bed. And guess what, I found Kirk's ministry, "Way of the Master" and since then I'm being feed "food for my soul" every day. The Holy Spirit led me to his ministry online and I'm so thankful that my prayers were heard. I'm finding that the Bible has ALL the answers to every question, even those we don't know to ask yet. Kirk and Ray's ministries are such a blessing.....They obedience to God's word is evident in they growth of their ministries. grin
Posted by Theresa  on  Sat Jul 10, 2010  at  04:25 PM
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