Yellow Bamboo is a form of white magic/martial art developed in Bali. If you sign up to get the free Yellow Bamboo training video then "you can learn very powerful methods to protect yourself and others. If you watch the videos you will see that it is possible to knock down attackers without touching them. This is a very powerful form of personal development." Annoyed by these extravagant claims (particularly the one about being able to knock down opponents without touching them), some Jiu-Jitsu practitioners decided to challenge the local Yellow Bamboo masters to a test "to prove once and for all that no-touch or Chi knockouts are, and have always been, complete and utter bullshit." These were the guidelines for the test: "The YB practitioner assumes a stance on the sand and is given time to prepare his Chi in accordance with YB practices. The challenger then runs 20 feet across the sand and attacks the YB practitioner. As the challenger is making his run, the YB practitioner has to effectively disable or deflect him using his chi." Needless to say, the Yellow Bamboo people completely failed the test.
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Short synopsis, This took place in Bali, a local sceptic went to check it out and was knocked unconscious during the demonstration. The yellow bamboo people claimed that they won the JREF Million $ challange, but as there had been no agreed upon proticol(spelling?)for the test, they couldn't claim the prize. Just as well because the sceptic was more than likely shocked by a tazer or stungun during the test. Yellow Bamboozled, eh?
It's just that I feel absolutely certain that people who had such knowledge would not offer it via a free training video.
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"It's not that I don't believe it's possible that there are martial artists out there who have discovered truly wondrous and mystical ways to harness internal energy for magic-like effects. It's a big world, I've seen some weird stuff, so maybe."
Well, if stuff like that exists, why can't anyone prove it in a scientifically-controlled test?
I practise judo though, not jiu-jitsu
In my twenty years on active duty I was sent around the world and I always heard of people who could do such amazing things as knock someone out from a distance or pull their testicles into the body cavity to protect them during a fight or whatever, but I could never find anyone who could do it. It was always second or third-hand information. And it was always the same answer when I asked: "Why doesn't this person go public and make a fortune?" "Well, it would be a violation of the spiritual values of the teachings." Going public would be the easiest way to get everyone to follow their teachings as far as I know, wouldn't that be worth it? As of now, I don't believe it but I am willing to change my stance based upon new evidence.
I also, for a project I was doing at the time, investigated the various martial arts available about fifteen years ago or so. Yellow Bamboo was not one I was able to research then, never heard of it until now. Was it so secret then?
"Somebody says they can knock me down without touching me (and without throwing or shooting anything at me); they've got a pretty heavy burden of proof to clear before I'm going to believe them."
That is, of course, the only rational position to take on extraordinary claims. When it comes to stuff like that, we should ALL be from Missouri: Show me, mofo!
It's a hoax, a trick, a blatant lie.
Not my point.
Anyway, why should an enlightened master (assuming such a thing exists) give a damn what you thought? If they felt they had something to prove (or worse yet, that it was time to cash in), they couldn't very well be called enlightened.
The point is that yes, I'll keep an open mind about these kinds of things, unless the claimants are making an obvious, crude attempt to cash in on their 'secret knowledge'. As far as I'm concerned, further experimentation isn't required; that's a dealbreaker right there.
It's like, sure, maybe there's a Holy Grail out there somewhere. But if Ron Popeil does an informercial where he's selling holy water from the Grail, by the vial, I don't need any further evidence to call bullshit on him right then. Because by the very nature of the legend, it just wouldn't work that way.
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Well instead of going around the net and reading people their OPINIONS on this, which didn't help me any further I decided to GO TO BALI and see for myself.
I've been searching for this knowledge for about 10 years and I have found some people who are able to do it, but they either didn't want to teach me or the system took years of heavy practice without certainty if you could achieve anything. So I just couldn't do with just people their comments. And I'm happy I did and I went over there to see for myself. I learned a lot.
And compared to some of the other stuff I saw, man this knocking down means nothing compared to that. Actually in Bali, people find this just as normal as taking a pee. They really don't understand why we westerners make such a big deal from it. THe system has way more to offer than just the knocking down though.
So I think I'm now in a position to answer some of your questions.
1) About the stungun theory:
No way. The 'sceptic' had no signs of the use of such a device on his body or clothes. He also declared that he didn't feel such thing. Trust me if someone uses something like that on you, you feel it.
Ku'un
Yellow Bamboo Teacher Training 10 Day intensive course: October 16-26th 2005
http://www.zensation.info
Hmm I don't see the logic of that as I offer a free video myself. But anyway, it is indeed not optimal to train with the videos it makes a huge difference when you get your training in person.
The videos are an attempt at making this knowledge spread through the world and give you an idea of what it looks like though.
3) The video being amuzing: Well I witnessed about 9 knock outs overthere. Including westerners knocking each other down. The people who where knocked down loose total control of their body and fall. You end up with bruises and scars from falling. It ain't funny.
Ku'un
Yellow Bamboo Teacher Training 10 Day intensive course: October 16-26th 2005
http://www.zensation.info
That presuposes that science is able to explain this. Which further presuposes at a deeper level that science is finished, doesn't need to advance any more. In that case it wouldn't make sense to do any research since all answers are there already. The millions pumped into research clearly shows that this is not the case.
And it also depends on how you define a scientific test.
So there are some cases in which this thing didn't work. Mind you that this was always where things were set up as an "experiment", not real life threathening situations. So if you have 2 test or so where it didn't work and already 12 where it did work (of which I witnessed 9), would that be a scientific test? Actually the amount of cases where it did work is much higher.
5) Why does this person not go public? Hmm so one thinks they wouldn't offer free videos, another one asks why they don't go public. Well not much logic in there, right?
Ku'un
Yellow Bamboo Teacher Training 10 Day intensive course: October 16-26th 2005
http://www.zensation.info
Compare this with explaining an Indian in a remote piece of forest in Brazil that you have a device that can transfer your voice all over the world and even send pisctures, your mobile phone. He will think you are crazy.
Personally I prefered going overthere myself. All the KO's I witnessed where done in clear daylight with people at a distance of at least 10-20 feet away, so no way they could grab someone from that distance and pull him to the ground and than sit back. Unless they ofcourse where faster than the speed of light.
Ku'un
Yellow Bamboo Teacher Training 10 Day intensive course: October 16-26th 2005
http://www.zensation.info
Silat actually teaches some of the aspects of this inner art to its high level students.
As to the story of the birth: there is a far more recent story of a Ninja master killing a bird with his voice.
8) About the flinching. I hope you are not serious with that right? Do you honestly think that someone will fall and be unconcious from flinching? Woaw that sounds like a magical technique they should be teaching in every karate school than.
9) As to the Holy Grail, it is not a cup at all.
I hope this can clarify some things.
Ku'un
Yellow Bamboo Teacher Training 10 Day intensive course: October 16-26th 2005
http://www.zensation.info
OK, what would you care to bet me that you can't do it? Will you sign your car over to me when--not if--you fail? Can I have $1000? $10,000? If not, why not? Aren't you absolutely positive that you can accomplish this magical feat? I will sign a waiver to the effect that I will not sue you if I'm injured when I fall down because of you using your mind power on me.
I gotta confess, I'm really getting tired of people who make absurd claims and won't back them up. Knock me down without any physical contact of any kind. Either you can do this or you can't.
If you can achieve this feat, which you claim to be able to do, I will become your biggest fan. I will praise you and your amazing ability everywhere I can. I will tell everyone how I used to be a skeptic and now I am a believer. And all you have to do is simply demonstrate your amazing ability. Simple.
In addition, prior to the event, I will do everything in my power to publicize your attempt. I will contact the local newspapers, radio and TV stations. I will put fliers up locally. We can do it on the beach so that as many people as possible can witness your attempt. If we're lucky and the weather's good, we may get thousands of people to watch you try to knock me down, using only your mind power. Wouldn't that be a great way to spread the word about Yellow Bamboo?
So, when may I expect your arrival on the Oregon coast? Bring your camcorder. You can be sure I'll have mine handy.
The name is Ku'un actually.
First of all I really don't have time or interest in travelling all over the world proving people wrong. I did travel to the other part of the globe just to see for myself. Sure I I stayed and got trained. As for your request to belong to my fan club, well you would have to consider a change of sex and I'll send you an application form. 😉
Your comments show you cleary have not the faintest clue on the principles that are at work here. But that's ok, I don't expect you to.
This can't be done by standing still. You see this is unlike a sport, focused on real life threatening situations therefore an attack needs to be initated and the attacker needs to be angry, real angry. In Bali they slap the attacker in the face to get him angry. It is not the power of the mind that causes this. I explain some of the underlying principles in my book though.
Where did I state that I could do it? This post was only stating what I've witnessed. Although I did do it myself too, after intensive training.
Can you have $1000 or $10,000? You want me to come overthere and you don't even know the way to the ATM? So I doubt you have the necessary contacts or experience with the media, anyway.
Perhaps you can ask Randi, he still owes Yellow Bamboo something I think.
You are free to come to Bali though. You could be knocked out as many times as you want and I'll even give you a free airline ticket valid for 2 years when you would show up in Bali in October.
Have fun,
Ku'un
I've seen some videos of this kind of stuff and they all say different things about it. Some say the attackers have to be charging or angry. Others say that doesn't matter. Anyway it seems like a bunch of bullshit to me but its kind of amusing. The funny thing is that people like you are actually convinced it works even though there is no difinitive evidence or scientific explanation for it.
Hi. I sure did. I thought about it very carefully before I went overthere. I also did some energy tests. It was because all this discussion on the net doesn't help much. There are more people speaking based on their prejudices and habits than people who really did the trouble to experience this. I decided to check it out because I really wanted to know if it is real and if so I wanted to learn it.
"These Bali guys dress up and act like martial arts experts, pretend to fall over when their buddies hit them with "Chi"..."
The don't claim to be martial arts experts. They don't even understand why WE westerners make such a fuss about the knocking down. I understand them. Compared to some of the other stuff I saw overthere, this knocking down is nothing.
"... and stupid westerners like you are completely taken. Then they let you try it on them and they fall over seemingly unconscious."
Thanks for the compliment. Always nice to hear some nice words. I'm pretty sure that me having a degree in law and my interests in science really qualify me as stupid. Or perhaps they qualify me better to see right through the kind of scam you are making up in your mind....
anyway besides opinions I saw Westerners knocking each other down too. And the guys who drop to the ground loose all control over their bodies and end up with bruises etc from falling.
"I've seen some videos of this kind of stuff and they all say different things about it. Some say the attackers have to be charging or angry. Others say that doesn't matter. Anyway it seems like a bunch of bullshit to me but its kind of amusing. The funny thing is that people like you are actually convinced it works even though there is no difinitive evidence or scientific explanation for it."
Hey that's funny you mention that. There is no scientific explanation for HOW magnetism works, nor is there such explanation for HOW or WHY gravity exists. It was not untill people learned to fly that we could experience what some clever minds already thought, namely that you can disable the effects of gravity under certain.
conditions. In my book I write a little about the underlying scientific process that give some explanations to a certain extend to how this is possible.
Have fun,
Ku'un
http://www.zensation.info
"I think it's pretty obvious that the video proved that it's all a load of rubbish."
This presupose you consider a video proof.
The videos we provide from Yellow Bamboo are not to proof anything, they are to inform and illustrate.
"If they have fun doing it, then good for them."
Thanks, we have loads of fun. Mind you though that being knocked out is no fun at all.
"But YB'ers are seriously deluded if they ever thought those two guys were suddenly going to be knocked out by there chi blasts ^_^"
There are no Chi blasts. It works in another way. So please don't compare something advanced and innovative with something old you have heared of.
"Heaven help them if they actually thought they could use it to protect themselves in a real situation!"
Oh but we don't just think about it. We actually do it. A friend of me did it during a robbery in L.A. a couple of months ago. There are loads of examples from people in Bali using this in their daily life too.
Of course I understand it is easier to not question your view on relity as it was shoved into you through social and cultural conditioning.
If you want you can come over to Bali during one of our annual training retreats and be knocked out as many times as you want. That way our students would have someone to practice on.
Personally I don't really see the fun in it, but if that would make you happy that is good for you.
Best regards,
Ku'un
More info on Yellow Bamboo can be found on:
http://www.zensation.info
"Of course I understand it is easier to not question your view on relity as it was shoved into you through social and cultural conditioning."
How about SCIENCE and scientific training? Are there different rules of physics where you operate? The objections to what you claim to be able to do are based on the fact that your claims defy the known laws of physics. That is why James Randi has offered you his foundation's million-dollar prize.
"If you want you can come over to Bali during one of our annual training retreats and be knocked out as many times as you want. That way our students would have someone to practice on."
You paying? Can a bring a friend (who will have a video camera) with me at your expense? Will you guarantee that there will be NO use of anything other than your magical, mystical powers? I didn't think so.
I loooove science. I also learned while studying it that Newton was a alchemist. He would probably have never discovered gravity if he wasn't. Mind you though that SCIENCE is still not able to explain gravity. Nor is it able to explain magnetism. It does have theories on how it works.
The double helix of DNA was discovered in a dream.
Link back all big scientists and research their involvment with metaphysics, you'll be in for a surprise.
"The objections to what you claim to be able to do are based on the fact that your claims defy the known laws of physics."
That is NO true. This statment can only be made if you know everything abaout and know ALL laws of physics. Again this also presuposes that science is complete and finished and that no more research is necessary. I write a little about the what processes are playing in scientific terms in my book so I won't go into detail here. But yes at a certain point things can't be explained by the current knowledge in science.
"That is why James Randi has offered you his foundation's million-dollar prize."
He still owes YB that one though. His prize, now that is a hoax.
"You paying? Can a bring a friend (who will have a video camera) with me at your expense?"
That is a very strange question. Why would I pay to give you an opportunity to learn something?
I invited you. If you visit a friend, do you ask him to pay for the bus or your gas? If you go for a job intervies, do you ask your potential boss to pay for your travel?
"Will you guarantee that there will be NO use of anything other than your magical, mystical powers? I didn't think so."
I do 300%. And you can check everyhing before should you so desire. Yet I think it might be better for YOU if don't come. And I'm very serious here. It might be much to hard for you to handle as you will have to adjust your view on reality as it is defined now. You need to be a very strong person emotionaly and psychological to be able to handle that.
Best regards,
Ku'un Aru
I would however like to take you to the floor, and break some of your joints, just in the name of shutting your ass up.
What happened to your yellow crap masters when they tried there excrement in the all telling video available for viewing? Oh that's right, the bjj guy could have literally killed them. Let me guess, the yellow piss masters were nervous about being t3h d3ad|y and therefore held back right? I'm sure you've got some shit to spew from that hole in your face. If I ever see a yellow bamboo person, I will challenge them on the spot. You are a worthless waste of bone and tissue.
Have fun.
Really you should try it...
'"The objections to what you claim to be able to do are based on the fact that your claims defy the known laws of physics."'
"That is NO true. This statment can only be made if you know everything abaout and know ALL laws of physics."
Absolute nonsense. Would I have to know ALL the laws of physics to realize that if you stood on the sidewalk and I went to the roof above you and dropped a cinder block, you would be in mortal danger?
'"You paying? Can a bring a friend (who will have a video camera) with me at your expense?"'
"That is a very strange question. Why would I pay to give you an opportunity to learn something?
I invited you. If you visit a friend, do you ask him to pay for the bus or your gas? If you go for a job intervies, do you ask your potential boss to pay for your travel?"
No, of course not, but I DO ask phonies who pretend to have special super powers to pick up the tab before I travel halfway around the world to witness utter nonsense.
Hey, tell you what. I invite you to travel here to Oregon where I fly without any external power source. Yup, fly like a bird, all around the sky. Really, you should see it, it's amazing. I just jump up and glide all around, carried on the wind.
No, I'm not paying for your travel. Why should I pay for you to witness the single most amazing event in the history of humanity?
So, when can I expect you to arrive? You aren't afraid to see something astounding, are you? How can you possibly pass up this opportunity?
free level 1 video and it's amaizing feel
the energy
I have practices 6 months ago with energy doing telekinesis and psballs (for all how studied this you will know) and the results were not what I espect.
but I have prectice the exercice 3 days ago
and the energy i feel is amaizing, I can feel
verry hot in my hand, like i am burning.
Hi evryone
God bless you all
Hi ku'un thx for your comments =)
"I have practices 6 months ago with energy doing telekinesis and psballs (for all how studied this you will know) and the results were not what I espect.
but I have prectice the exercice 3 days ago
and the energy i feel is amaizing, I can feel
verry hot in my hand, like i am burning."
Jorge, a feeling in your hand is VERY subjective. Telekinesis is NOT. If you could demonstrate that you had an extraordinary ability that science could not explain, not only would you be more than eligible for a million dollar prize, you would also be contributing immeasurably to the advance of human knowledge.
My best guess is that you will NEVER be able to demonstrate such an ability, no matter how much you practice. How much time are you willing to waste on this before you concede that telekinesis is impossible?
Thank you for your comments. As you can see it takes some curage.
The energy of Yellow Bamboo develops quicker than most systems I have seen or tried. But yes indeed the feeling in your hand might be subjective, I can not judge that unless I see you do the exercises and sense your energy.
Yet on the the other hand on the courses I give, I have a lot of people that have been doing tai-chi for a while and they say they were never able to feel the energy in their dan tien, or if they did it was less strong.
About the telekinesis, at level 3 you learn more about that, and yes it is not so subjective and yes you can actually see it. You also learn about the esoteric counterpart of it, but I won't go into detail about that here.
If you have any questions on the exercises you are doing, you are free to contact me through my website at: http://www.zensation.info and I'll be glad to help you.
Have fun,
Ku'un
"Thank you for your comments. As you can see it takes some curage."
Spellcheck apparantly not required.
"The energy of Yellow Bamboo develops quicker than most systems I have seen or tried. But yes indeed the feeling in your hand might be subjective, I can not judge that unless I see you do the exercises and sense your energy."
An ability to detect irony is NOT included.
"About the telekinesis, at level 3 you learn more about that, and yes it is not so subjective and yes you can actually see it. You also learn about the esoteric counterpart of it, but I won't go into detail about that here."
This reminds me of Scientology where they won't let you in on the "big secret" about Xenu putting hydrogen bombs inside all the volcanos on Earth and separating humans from their souls until they have extracted sufficient cash from you.
Hey, Juan, I think you should ask yourself if these guys can really employ telekinesis, the ability to move physical objects with their minds, why they don't arrange to demonstrate that ability under controlled conditions and collect the milion dollars offered by the James Randi Educational Foundation? I can't imagine anything that can be more easily tested than telekinesis.
"Here's your object. You can't touch it with any part of your body. Now move it with your mind." The protocol for such a test should be very easy to arrange.
Ps. Spell check if it gives you more satisfaction in life.
"Hmm reminds me of a test we once ... oh no forgot... twice did with a Randi representative. The object was not to be touched physicaly, but was moved in both instances... only Randi found some excuses every time, as for instance with the protocols."
James Randi runs a tax exempt educational foundation, subject to the laws of the United States. You are making a serious allegation of fraud here. I'm sure you realize that if he were to refuse to pay a claimant who actually had demonstrated supernatural abilities (as telekinesis would be), he would be liable for the million dollars as well as penalties. If you honestly believe what you say here, then I can't imagine why you wouldn't have hired a lawyer and sued Randi and his Foundation.
My understanding is that all testing for the JREF Million Dollar Challenge is videotaped. That would seem to make your claim of fraud easy to prove. Under those circumstances, why have you not brought suit against Randi?
"Ps. Spell check if it gives you more satisfaction in life."
I guess I'm just amused by an "enlightened master" who can't spell simple words. As a hobby, spellchecking beats imagining that you can knock people down with the power of your mind--not that any sane person would ever think such a thing, of course.
Actually I hold a degree in law, so I am well aware about the possibilities and what would be involved.
Yes, I can be very blatent in it, Randi is a fraud. There is a press relaease about it which goes more into detail about the facts.
Very short:
1) Randi's representative was knocked down, Randi claims that the protocol was not followed.
This is on videotape.
2) The picture was a bit dark, but the Randi represantative came late.
3) We invitted them for a second try. This time making sure everything was doen according to the protocols. Again the representative was knocked down.
4) Randi, who was not there, claims stunguns were used. His representative on th other hand says he didn't feel anything and his clothes didn't show any signs of the use of stunguns.
I would be very amazed if the Yellow Bamboo people in Bali even knew how to operate such technology.
So yes James Randi is a hoax, it is a structure that slowes down the further evolution of man.
Ku'un
You lawsuit will help clear everything up to everyone's satisfaction. Unless, of course, you respond with some lame excuse about it 'not being worth my time' or 'I don't feel the need to prove myself'. But then, anybody with a law degree would know better than that, right?
I was sceptical, but with an open mind. I went over there and learned some neat skills.
For me that is cool, someone else might prefer the endless discussions and whining, I don't.
Same as I don't have a message in someone else his limiting beliefs or patterns of action in specified cases. I guess you better have a talk with someone with a law degree as to get a clear picture of what would be involved.
Again, if there is any sincere question I can help you with, I will be happy to do so.
If not than this is a waste of your time as well as mine.
"Man, I don't care what people think."
In find this fascinating. You go to the trouble of arranging a demonstration of the alleged Yellow Bamboo powers, including working out the protocol, etc. As you well know, this is usually a long, drawn-out procedure.
Then, after the fact, you claim that Randi has welched on giving you the million dollars, which would constitute fraud. Rather than do what would seem logical: suing Randi for the money you worked hard to get, suddenly you "don't care what people think." Tell you what, if someone had cheated ME out of a million dollars, I damn sure WOULD take them to court. I also find it interesting that you never seem to give a real answer to the question about why you haven't sued. You seem to want to duck it.
Yes, I know you don't care what anyone thinks and so forth but as a point of interest, would you care to tell us where and when you got your law degree? Have you passed the board and are you licensed to practice as a lawyer? What is your specialty, if you have one?
Just wake me for a more interesting question.
Translation
"I'm lying."
:lol:
"Ku'un sits back on his chair and jawns.
Just wake me for a more interesting question."
OK, here's one: So, are you actually a licensed attorney or are you breaking the law by claiming publicly to be one? Since you're so willing to call Randi a fraud, why don't you take a moment to prove that YOU aren't one yourself?
By the way, Counselor, did you mean "yawns?"
I studied martial arts all my life, including 5 years in Japan. I have encountered many of these snake oil salesmen. Their students are social idiots, hollow-eyed cult-like members.
If you wonder why they don't like to demonstrate on 'non-believers' it's because the person being demonstrated on doesn't know when to fall down. I have seen this many times. It's fricking hilarious when the 'master' has to tell the person "you fall down now."
If there are 30,000 yellow bamboo practictioners of this amazing defense system why has not a single one entered into any of the numerous mixed martial arts tournaments? Hell, I have been at many no-prize money, light contact tournaments of many different martial arts--not a single yellow bamboo practioner there.
Don't give me bullshit about the spritual nature of the art form; I have seen tai chi practioners in tournaments.
It's utter bullshit based on the same foundations of religion--you have to believe, have faith in something that can't be proven. Anyone who believes there is some sort of telekinesis/chi manifestation is an idiot.
Go watch more 1970s kung fu movies.