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Plane Flies In Front of Moon
Status: Undetermined
image There's some debate over at Flickr concerning whether this image is real or photoshopped. The person who took it (Kris Kros) swears that it's real. But doubts have been raised by Hugo who argues that "such a crisp capture of a jet, in front of an extremely detailed moon, in complete darkness, with no apparent noise, was quite extraordinary." I can't tell one way or the other. Though Hugo is absolutely right to point out that in almost all pictures of planes flying in front of the moon, the turbulence of the jets is visible... but it's not visible in this picture.
Posted by The Curator on Thu Apr 27, 2006

I think Hugo is right.
Posted by LaMa  in  Europe  on  Thu Apr 27, 2006  at  03:39 AM
No contrail?
Posted by Citizen Premier  in  spite of public outcry  on  Thu Apr 27, 2006  at  09:27 AM
If you bump the color saturation of the image, some artifacts appear that indicate the plane is from a separate, black & white image. Look between the right wing and the upper part of the fuselage.

Plus, where are the lights of the plane?
Posted by Kevin  on  Thu Apr 27, 2006  at  11:01 AM
Oops... that should read:

Look between the right wing and the engine, and also at the upper part of the fuselage.
Posted by Kevin  on  Thu Apr 27, 2006  at  11:03 AM
I took this picture myself last night:

Posted by AqueousBoy  on  Thu Apr 27, 2006  at  11:08 AM
A photo of the moon like this would require a very short exposure so I would not expect to see the plane's lights. I would however expect to see some sign of the engine exhaust. It should cause some wavering of the moon's image behind the plane.
Posted by Captain Al  in  Vancouver Island, Canada  on  Thu Apr 27, 2006  at  11:47 AM
I think it's a fake...but have no doubts that AqueousBoy's is 100% real!
Posted by Maegan  in  Tampa, FL - USA  on  Thu Apr 27, 2006  at  12:12 PM
big surprise I read all through this debate on flickr. Both parties in question are on my contact list and I have great respect for each photographer. I don't want to get into the debate, but I will say this...

If a picture is real then there should be some way to prove it. The best defense can be diversion and suddenly blocking someone for asking a question usually implies dishonesty.

At the same time if it is real, and KK doesn't want to reveal how he did it than we should accept that too. But to say a magician never reveals his trick also implies a trick.

As for the attacks on Hugo, let up. He only asked a question and then addressed his sudden block by KK. Anyone would have been a bit ticked off if someone suddenly did that, and even more ticked if it was only over a question.

Trust me there are more problems that we could be debating about than if this is a real picture or not. I don't think it real personally, but it is still a fantastic photo photoshopped or not. KK has a lot of talent, as does Hugo so maybe the focus should be on that.

Posted by Xemlo aka 20-Questions  in  Calgary, AB  on  Thu Apr 27, 2006  at  01:47 PM
I'm sure they are both excellent photographers, but this is the Museum of Hoaxes, so of course there's going to be debate about it.
Posted by Boo  in  The Land of the Haggii...  on  Thu Apr 27, 2006  at  05:26 PM
As long as it stays 'debate', and not random snarkiness at one's fellow man, I'm happy.
Posted by Robin Bobcat  in  Californian Wierdo  on  Fri Apr 28, 2006  at  04:02 AM
shouldn't there be stars?
Posted by aiea  on  Fri Apr 28, 2006  at  03:00 PM
No stars. On a short exposure the brightness of the moon would wash the stars out. You'd need to take a longer exposure shot (which this clearly isn't because of the plane) to see the stars.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Fri Apr 28, 2006  at  03:53 PM
Go Alien warship bug thing. whooo!
Posted by S  on  Fri May 12, 2006  at  01:37 PM
Totally fake. Friend of mine has a toy model plane just like that. And the moon is probably from NASA's Astronomy Picture of the Day
Posted by LesCorbusieurs  on  Tue May 16, 2006  at  08:09 PM
its fake.

PS. Any1 notice the guy who photo'd this has the name 'Kris Kros'?

PSS. Aliens are coming.
Posted by Anguirus  on  Thu Jun 15, 2006  at  03:18 PM
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