Here's another site that makes you wonder if it's real or fake:
Philanderers.com. It's a service to help people who are married have extramarital affairs. My first thought was that it was a joke. But upon looking around it for a while, it appears legitimate. I wonder if any single people use this who want to have an affair with someone who's married? And here's an evil thought: if you ever try to cancel your membership, they could threaten to tell your spouse.
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In many years on the Philanderer site, i have never come across a shill profile. Does that mean every woman I have ever written to responded? Yeah, in my dreams. Fortunately, quite a few have responded, exchanged emails with me and a resulted in face to face meeting. From those a few select turned into genuine affairs.
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1) posted an ad as a Guest (ie. did not buy credits); shortly thereafter I got 5 winks from very nice-looking women (according to ther photos) who wanted to chat with me, but they were not FULL AM members.
2) I purchased credits so that I could "chat" with these women;
3) I sent each of them what I think would be a very intersting email.
4) None of them responded - but that was because none of them had signed into the system for 5+ days;
5) By putting them on the "List", I can tell when they did sign-in to see if they read my mail;
6) 4 of the 5 signed in at 10:18 AM on the same day (yes, all 4 at 10:18) and one at 10:20.
7)Yes, you are getting the picture here - none of them responded to my ad.
8) I created another "Guest ad" - identical profile - Wanna guess how many women sent me winks asking to chat if I can just sign up with AM?
Save the $$ boys; it's a recession out there - lets these bastardos go out of business.
The hard facts are these:
1. All of these sites have mostly men looking to get laid. Sorry guys, the odds are against you.
2. Women can get laid anytime they want, so why use a site at all?
3. Most women on sites (like the ones I listed above) are receptive of couples, not single guys, so unless you already have a women you probably are not going to get a ticket to the dance.
Can't argue with sucess...
AM is a clever, soft-scam, no-one gets really hurt, or loses huge amounts of money. I'm truely an honest guy, but I can't help a sneeking repect for such cons.
I withold my bile for news sources such as the NY Times, which have published articles which, effectively, support the con. Whether they are fooled too, or a unscrupulous writer takes a bribe...
I'm also contemptuous for those posters who come over all old-testament on the 'adulterers' (Stone them why not). To the tiny minority who are truely satisified in their monogamy, or simply feel happier that way, and have expressed there bit of wisdom - I salute you - to the others .... you remind me for all the world of homophobes, driven by fear of their own latent homosexual urges - i.e. look inward first & get wise, rather than sling around the judgements.
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I signed up for two accounts recently, one as a male, and one as a female. For the female photo, I found a picture of an attractive woman on the web and blocked out the eyes. This was a natural looking kind of photo and not like some on AM where clearly the person has posted some phony drop dead gorgeous model photo. On the profile, all I said was something like "need someone who treats me nice", and within 24 hours I had received 100 emails with guys wanting to connect to this imaginary person. On the male profile I posted, I've received nothing in the same time frame. So, whether this is a scam or not I can't really say, but I do believe that there are lots of profiles out there where people look nothing like they say they do, and may be using this site just because they are lonely and want some attention. It does not take much to get a bunch of horny guys to pounce on a female who represents herself as wanting no strings attached sex.
My view is that the site is not phony, but that the creators of the site are totally brilliant in the way they implemented it to take advantage of all of us wishful-thinking male suckers. I'd say the odds of a guy really being able to differentiate himself enough to 1) get the interest of one of these females, and 2) to actually find a female that they are want to spend time with are really, really low. Not saying it can't happen, but I think it is like having a single available woman on a battleship in the middle of the ocean with a thousand guys. Someone may get lucky, but your odds ain't good.
By the way...I did this little experiment after I stupidly gave AM about $70 of my money in an feeble attempt to hook up with some needy babe. My mistake, and all I can say to the creators of the site is "you got me on that one", but my motto from here on out is once bitten twice shy.
Men...save your money and don't give AM your hard earned cash, or certainly do so with your eyes wide open.
While their profiles mention walks in the parks and cuddling... the ones that actually come out and play are either teasers or head cases. The sex with the head cases is usually not worth it..
First let me say. Guys, any attractive woman can walk into any bar on any night and find a guy. Why would an attractive woman need Ashley Madison?
I have a female friend who thought that using Ashley Madison would be a good idea. She is in a relationship and wanted to hook up while traveling on business. She posted her pic and hooked up with a guy, right away. The problem was that she left a pic of herself when she was a senior in high school and 125 lbs lighter.
She was waiting in a bar when the guy walked in. He had no clue what was about to hit him because he was looking for a "cute" 125 lb chick. She snuck up on him and to his shock and dismay saw my extremely obese friend. I looked on from the other side of the bar and laughed as the guy looked like he just saw a ghost.
She went upstairs with him and then complained to me later that he "couldn't get it up". Of course he couldn't, you are 250 lbs. My friend is a great person and a lesbian that was looking to experiment. Probably the last time for guys.
Again, what hot girl would need a web site to get laid? Its a site for guys, scamers and pigs!
However, one comment is partially true, in that once you get past the shills, fakes, and lonely housewives who only want a chat buddy, you will eventually meet face to face with some "head cases". These are attractive women, but unpredictably prone to fits of rage. I found two such head cases, who were drop-dead gorgeous natural blondes who knew how to dress up like Barbie dolls, as for the Hollywood Walk of Fame. But first, they wanted a play date, somewhere private, in the sack. What's wrong with that? In both cases, as soon as the woman was sexually satisfied, feelings of regret and remorse crept into her thoughts. Instead of being allowed to take myself across the goal line, and enjoy some cuddle time in the afterglow, I was treated to surly recriminations or screaming fits of rage, as in "you're just using me for sex... you take too long to cum..." (This was after holding back on my climax, to get her across her finish line.) The other blonde, who coincidentally had a gorgeously thick pelt of bright, flaming red pubic hair, would actually swoon after multiple, screaming orgasms. At the time, I naively told myself "this is workin' out pretty good... as soon as she wakes up, she'll be one grateful professor". However, as soon as she regained consciousness, I had to pin her to the bed, in a wresting hold, to stop her from trying to beat me up. After she calmed down and promised not to hit me again, she casually pretended get busy getting dressed, while she scoped out my peripheral vision, snuck up on me, and let me see some stars! She probably got in a lot of practice with that sucker punch, meeting men, over the internet! Now, looking back at it, I can laugh about it. I never encountered blackmail or extortion, just irrational rage, that might possibly have escalated into a crime passion. Once behind closed doors, these head case women can possibly become quite violent, venting their pent-up rage.
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I never encountered blackmail or extortion, just irrational rage, that might possibly have escalated into a crime of passion.
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I suspect the folks at Ashley Madison figure that most people don't bother to read this!
"Minty Fresh", "Dem?desire" are seem to be employees of AM. You get E-mail from them to pull you in to buy a minimum of 100 credit ($80), once you open the E-mail after paying 5 credits to read it, it reads "do you cyber?", "want to chat now?" and you will never hear from them again. The above two seem to be pretty chicks as well. I would like others to keep complaining about this rip off site and expose them to more idiots (all men) and general media as well.
A couple other thoughts. I live in the middle of Missouri, so there aren't many women to begin with. I imagine if you live in LA, or Chicago, or NYC, there's more action. Also, there are indeed like a hundred guys for each woman so it is imperative that you write one helluva profile. Not to brag, but mine is fantastic (I write and teach creative writing at the college level), so it lures in a couple women per year. But it is frustrating having to sort through the fake ads, the incomplete ads, and the half-hearted ads (I believe that many real women do create profiles but never really complete them fully because they chicken out).
In short, AM is NO scam. I have been in contact with half a dozen real women over the past two years. The guys who cry scam simply don't know how to work the system or do not understand the system (i.e. AM is a giant sausage fest so it's not surprising to have winks and messages go ignored).
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However, I must ask, why has no one mentioned the specific method that members use to generate their online personal profiles at Ashley Madison? It is inherently very suspicious.
At Ashley Madison, new profiles are created from a template that can accept photos and typed text. But the template also includes many check boxes, arranged with long lists of preferences, perhaps a hundred or more. They cover such exciting choices as "like lots of foreplay" versus "too busy for preliminaries", or "has a settled love nest" versus "meets discretely at randomly chosen motels". These check boxes are impressively grouped in appealing arrangements, in the various categories of "Who I am looking for", "What turns me on", "My idea of a perfect date", and so on. Oh yes, the check boxes also let each member quickly and explicitly describe which sex acts they do or don't enjoy, and will or won't perform.
As a certain comedian asks-- Is that not a sign?
Further, at Ashley Madison, 98% of women's profiles are filled out, only by checking those boxes, although the site provides several areas to type text!
A "bot" computer program could be set up to check those boxes in different patterns, and automatically populate the site with thousands of fictitious members, with a dazzling variety of interests, aching to be satisfied. Are customers too computer illiterate, to see this? And needless to say, most of those check boxes, with their rather risque descriptions, doubtlessly have strong appeal for men.
The profiles on Ashley Madison stand out in stark contrast to other dating sites that insist on a writing sample, from a live human being. To take one example, PlentyOfFish.com, which is free, and accepts profile posts from anyone, single or married, straight or gay, or bi, or whatever. At PlentyOfFish, there are some checkboxes and pull down lists, for the dry stats like age, marital status, and so on. However, unlike Ashley Madison, PlentyOfFish requires a written paragraph, minimum of about a hundred words. It is very interesting that most of the profiles at PlentyOfFish are written by people who obviously find the written language very challenging. But they do post some text, and appear to have passed the CAPTCHA test! Many photos are hidden from public view, especially for the married women. Many profiles are almost incoherent, but almost all are plausible.
In contrast, the women of Ashley Madison are a strangely silent group, when it comes to posting their own thoughts, upon their profiles. They just check some boxes, and post, with no further comment. Shy? Not very literate, perhaps? Or completely fictitious?
That said, I do believe there are fake women on AM trolling for you to spend credits. Try to remember that cliche, "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is"...
In chat its less of a hook up site and more of a support site for people already in affairs. Best part is people on forum and in chat are of above average intelligence and in most cases, looking for relationships and not just ONS.
Absolutely worthwhile site. But bring your game and your spell check. These people are looking for quality.
Met my MM there 6 years ago and the affair is still going strong!!
I have had success. I would say I met at least 6 women in person. Had an affair with one for about 6 months(I decided to end it). Ran out of credits and signed up again then met another earlier this year. Have been seeing her not so much on a regular basis as before but we still get together at least once a month for sex. At the same time I was working on another one(planning to drop the one I was with) and had met up with her several times but it just seemed like our schedules would not work out to be able to have some intimate times together so I pretty much gave up on that. So overall, they're out there and I'm pretty picky so the women I've seen are not fat or butt ugly. You will probably waste credits responding to ads as you're basically in competition with 100's of other guys. Of the women I dated they said they received 100s of emails all the time and usually it was something I said in my initiation that set me apart from the others..that and they saw me as attractive to them. Good luck!
Men in general are not being smart on the site and will messages females from a completely different city or state or yes even country and seriously guys ask yourself this,what married woman with a family is able to fly to meet and cheat???
I can not understand why Rob from California or Joe from Florida would message me in Calgary Alberta asking me if I am looking to meet considering that I've written that I'm seeking someone in my area.
Men are complaining to me about the women who contact them??? I recommend instead of sitting there and being lazy that you do some work search for women that are in your area. Read the profiles and see if she is looking for the same thing you are
Common sense guys that is what you need to use the site.
Oh and stop being so damn negative about your wives and calling them names because guess what??? we women are someones wife also and that just a big turn off.
Oh and yes your photos the number one turn off to me is when guys use photos of their wedding day, I think to myself what an a@@hole using his wedding photo and having the nerve to cut the bride out when it was more than likely that the brides family paid for the photo?
TACKY TACKY TACKY
I have to say I'm not a believer. There is no way some of the hot young chicks I saw on the site are putting their faces out there and looking for guys. And most of the really hot ones don't have personalized messages or member feedback.
I think there are probably real women on there, but few and far between.
Lesson learned...