Magneurol-S6: The ESP Pill

Status: Snake Oil
image The makers of MagneurolS·6 promise that this little pill has some remarkable properties. It will give you "the ability to plug into Earths complex magnetic fields" thereby enhancing your extra-sensory perception and psychic abilities. Of course, never mind that its ingredients are nothing that you can't find in any vitamin supplement costing far less than $49 a bottle. You won't care about such trivial matters once your sixth sense (S·6) has been awakened. One potential danger, however. When taking Magneurol, some users report that "they can 'feel' the radiation, or something like it, emanating from the [cell]phone where they could not do so before." Of course, with the psychic powers the pill bestows, you shouldn't need a cellphone. So that radiation won't be a problem.

Health/Medicine

Posted on Tue Nov 22, 2005



Comments

oh just what we need, more new age hokum designed to steal from the pockets of gullible souls seeking enlightenment or a nifty parlour trick
Posted by joeodd  on  Wed Nov 23, 2005  at  12:57 AM
Maybe the pills are made from ground-up LifeWave patches.

Seriously, isn't the ability of the human mind to bullshit itself amazing?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Wed Nov 23, 2005  at  01:31 AM
If you wash the pill down with salmon flavoured soda you turn into an Hindu diety.

Use special shaken water and you head will explode.
Posted by Peter  on  Wed Nov 23, 2005  at  02:46 AM
"Seriously, isn't the ability of the human mind to bullshit itself amazing?"

I just popped a MagneurolS
Posted by Richard@Home  on  Wed Nov 23, 2005  at  08:30 AM
Sorry, I'm already embedded in the earth's complex magnetic fields.

Now, if you could find a way to NOT be in the magnetic fields, well, that at least would be a new discovery.
Posted by Big Gary in Turkey, Texas  on  Thu Nov 24, 2005  at  05:53 PM
Sometimes, you'd think that you wanna know what people are thinking, right? Well, think about this for a second. Do you REALLY REALLY want to know what is going on in other peoples heads? I mean, yea, sometimes that would be cool, but WHAT IF YOU CANT TURN OFF THEIR THOUGHTS? I think that the thought of having to hear myself think while trying to get rid of the thoughts and voices of 12, 000 000 other people is not so nice.

And yes, the ability of the human mind to bullshit itself is amazing. But even more amazing is its ability to make other minds bullshit themselves is even more mindboggling.
Posted by Lady Hedoniste  in  Chilling with 14 other tiny people in your head.  on  Fri Nov 25, 2005  at  09:07 PM
Carmen said:

"And yes, the ability of the human mind to bullshit itself is amazing. But even more amazing is its ability to make other minds bullshit themselves is even more mindboggling."

You got that right, Bud. Knowing Alan Abel and having known Andy Kaufman (and having pulled off a few media hoaxes on my own), I've had the privelege to live on at least the edge of that world for a long time now. It's a wild ride.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sat Nov 26, 2005  at  12:52 AM
carmen said:

"Do you REALLY REALLY want to know what is going on in other peoples heads? I mean, yea, sometimes that would be cool, but WHAT IF YOU CANT TURN OFF THEIR THOUGHTS? I think that the thought of having to hear myself think while trying to get rid of the thoughts and voices of 12, 000 000 other people is not so nice."

wasnt that an episode of buffy the vampire slayer?
Posted by joeodd  on  Sat Nov 26, 2005  at  01:56 PM
Carmen said:

"Do you REALLY REALLY want to know what is going on in other peoples heads? I mean, yea, sometimes that would be cool, but WHAT IF YOU CANT TURN OFF THEIR THOUGHTS?"

From February '95 to February '98 I had a really stupid job outside the White House. One of the best parts of it was that I got to talk to some really, REALLY crazy people who come there to try to get the president to listen to their grievance(s).

One of them walked around wearing a sandwich board sign that said, "Free Henry Goldgard, Psychic." I asked him what it meant and he explained to me that the government had put a chip inside his head which forced him to hear the thoughts of people near him. It was very unpleasant for him and he wanted the president to order the government to take it out.

So, Carmen, the answer is that it is VERY unpleasant to be forced to hear the thoughts of other people. That comes straight from Henry Goldgard, unwilling psychic.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sun Nov 27, 2005  at  01:14 AM
Joeodd said:

"wasnt that an episode of buffy the vampire slayer?"

That's why Carmen's rambling sounded familiar! It was an ep of Buffy.
Posted by Smerk  in  to mischief  on  Sun Nov 27, 2005  at  01:55 AM
Huh, um, no. I don't even watch that show! :coolhmm: Freaky...
Posted by Lady Hedoniste  in  Chilling with 14 other tiny people in your head.  on  Sun Nov 27, 2005  at  11:47 AM
If you have this stuff in your brain, MRI would kill you for certain. Strong magnetic field will suck your brain out through your ears and nose...
Posted by Loxx  on  Mon Nov 28, 2005  at  12:03 PM
Hi,

I would like to warn anyone looking to buy Magneurol, that it is a scam. I read about the product a few months ago and purchased the product in October. - At the time they claimed to have a huge back-order.

Anyway, i received the product in November and have been using for past 3.5 weeks now. It is nothing but small vitamins that you can buy from a store for $10.

The product does nothing that it has stated. There is no radiation feeling? No opening of 3rd eye etc.. i know this as i know what opening of 3rd eye feels like. 😊)))

I have been able to move tiny objects placed on a table..and this product does not do anything extra.. there is no extra great feeling at all.

Please save your $49 + shipping cost and just purchase some vitamins from a store.

There is no secret formula to having 6th sense powers or opening the 3rd eye, or making you feel closer to the earth's magnetic field. These are all hoaxes.

What you need to do is do mind excercises on a daily basis and read books that actually guide you to opening your 3rd eye.

Forget pills or magic potions.. save and buy books. 😊

Hope this helps anyone looking to purchase Magneurol.

Regards,
Ash
Posted by Ash  on  Wed Dec 07, 2005  at  10:57 AM
I can also move tiny objects placed on a table. I just pick them up and move them. It's amazing to see.
Posted by The Curator  in  San Diego  on  Wed Dec 07, 2005  at  11:11 AM
I dont agree with guru ash there... i think it's not wise at all to jump to conclusions like that for an enlightened master like Ash, especially when you have a total of 3 eyes wide open and can perform special tricks as described.
Maybe if youre so high up there at the right hand side of god it may even be possible that this pill will actually bring you down but for the lay ppl it might have positive effects. I say we wait for some more feedback from regular people and then make a more accurate statement.
Maybe there isnt enough feedback because there is something to it and ppl are keeping it to themselves instead of telling everyone. I would do the same if i took the risk of getting ripped off and it turns out it works.
Posted by m4dg33k  on  Tue Dec 13, 2005  at  09:09 PM
m4dg33k said:

"Maybe there isnt enough feedback because there is something to it and ppl are keeping it to themselves instead of telling everyone. I would do the same if i took the risk of getting ripped off and it turns out it works."

Wow, talk about going from the Bronx to Brooklyn by way of Wisconsin! You're trying REALLY hard to rationalize this nonsense, aren't you?

Giving the benefit of the doubt is fine but you don't have to throw out all logic in the process. Occam's Razor, my good man (or woman). The simpler answer is that the whole thing is a fake.

There isn't any good evidence that ESP exists, therefore there is none that a pill can "increase" it. Think of it like this: pigs can't fly so there's nothing you can feed them that will help them fly BETTER.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Wed Dec 14, 2005  at  02:04 PM
Ah but Cranky, you forgot that magic corn that Santa uses to make his reindeer fly. The same thing could be used to make pigs fly. By proving that part of your argument false, I've illogically proved all of it false and therefore, ESP is real.

'nuff said. 😛
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Wed Dec 14, 2005  at  04:23 PM
Nice... the razor
Maybe there's a reason why it applies so well to theoretical matters cause if everyone would go by it in real life, we would still be in caves drawing sketches on the walls with our own shit. 12 year life expectancy, hunt, eat, shit, sleep and sketch... simple enough?

I don't want to hear what's in anyone's head but i wouldnt mind knowing a few days in advance that a tsunami will flush my house or be able to get a gut feeling that some murderer is close by. Intuition is real and saying that it cannot be improved is just retarded. And animals, even some ppl can sense natural disasters before they happen...
And yes, in a very crude manner as i realize now, i was just trying to give it the benefit of the doubt at least until more feedback builds up.
Posted by m4dg33k  on  Wed Dec 14, 2005  at  07:14 PM
Oh, here's a more creative concept to use instead of occam's razor:
If something can be done through hard work and perseverence then there is a quicker and easier way to get it done.
Applying this concept may require some intelligence whereas all you need for the razor is heaping ignorance.
Posted by m4dg33k  on  Wed Dec 14, 2005  at  08:15 PM
Charybdis said:

"Ah but Cranky, you forgot that magic corn that Santa uses to make his reindeer fly. The same thing could be used to make pigs fly. By proving that part of your argument false, I've illogically proved all of it false and therefore, ESP is real."

[shaking my fist] Damn you, Charybdis! Grrrr.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Dec 15, 2005  at  12:42 AM
m4dg33k said:

"Maybe there's a reason why it applies so well to theoretical matters cause if everyone would go by it in real life, we would still be in caves drawing sketches on the walls with our own shit. 12 year life expectancy, hunt, eat, shit, sleep and sketch... simple enough?"

Huh? What does that have to do with the idea that, when presented with two possibilities, one should probably go with the simpler one?

"Oh, here's a more creative concept to use instead of occam's razor:
If something can be done through hard work and perseverence then there is a quicker and easier way to get it done.
Applying this concept may require some intelligence whereas all you need for the razor is heaping ignorance."

At the risk of repeating myself: Huh?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Thu Dec 15, 2005  at  12:44 AM
maybe it works, maybe it doesnt....i havent tried it. but to say esp doesnt work lol.....if ur idea of esp is hollywood movies..kk sorry dude yeah thats probably fake....and yeah i believe for the majority of people that think inside the box esp is fake...im sure the theory or relativity was fake too until Einstein took the status quo to school. keep an open mind or you will never experience anything new...always question everything but dont dismiss it just because it sounds "crazy"....
Posted by What if...  on  Thu Dec 22, 2005  at  05:45 PM
This makes very entertaining reading! I've been following several online discussion of this "metaphysical product" and have been amazed at the ever expanding gullibility of the human race and the degree to which folks mutilate English in discussing "Magneurol," which is, incidentally, a great name for a cure all placebo. Hopefully someone got paid very well for thinking of it! Very interesting... I should try making some weird pill... I could use a little extra cash.

I too can move small objects on a table with my mental powers... and read the thoughts of perfect strangers.
Posted by The Blood Eagle  on  Fri Dec 23, 2005  at  01:12 PM
What if said:

"always question everything but dont dismiss it just because it sounds "crazy"...."

We don't dismiss it because it sounds crazy. We strongly question it because it has NEVER been proven when tested by a proper protocol.

Yes, that's right: ESP has NEVER been proven to exist. If and when it is, we will be forced to accept it. Speaking for myself, I will be happy to accept it if it is proven. It will make the world a MUCH more interesting place. I'm not going to believe in it, however, solely for the sake of having an "open mind." That's just silly.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Fri Dec 23, 2005  at  05:48 PM
Cranky,
If you cant see that your razor logic doesnt go well with creativity and development or progress in general then maybe you should read more and post less.

Eagle,
There is also a difference between being open minded and being gullible as What if pointed out
Nice sarcasm there on the esp tho...

It is fairly safe to say that hard data is still the best way to go about this and unfortunately the only one here who claims to have tried this pill has completely discredited himself or is at best part of a very small group which in turn would bear very little on the final conclusion.

The fact that the Magneurol people haven't conducted proper experiments using placebo, control and magneurol groups is suspect. They used some students and blindfolded them and got them to point to the campus after driving them around.... not good enough by any standards. And there are no names of who conducted the experiments or any detailed statistical data from the experiments not to mention it was back in 76. All they have is stories which could easily be optimistical interpretations of sloppy experiments.
If anything, the pigeon experiment shows that this product is useless or worse. Maybe the pigeons who were fed the stuff from birth developed a resistance to its toxic effects and were able to perform almost as well as normal pigeons. The ones that were fed the stuff after they were weaned got all messed up. And what kind of researcher doesnt include a reference group? or maybe the magneurol marketing team conveniently left that out of the presentation... the group that was fed normal food maybe had 0% loss (they were homing pigeons after all).

For those who dont know what i'm referring to go here: http://www.magneurol.com/how_it_works.html

If they are selling a lot of this stuff we should see a lot more feedback soon. And if it works as they claim, this product will be on every shelf in every store selling for the same price as vitamin C in less than 1 year.
Posted by m4dg33k  on  Fri Dec 23, 2005  at  07:29 PM
m4dg33k said:

"If you cant see that your razor logic doesnt go well with creativity and development or progress in general then maybe you should read more and post less."

Why don't you walk poor stupid me through it, Einstein?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sat Dec 24, 2005  at  01:33 AM
Cranky,
I dont really need to teach you anything... you study the razor concept a little more in depth and then you will see it doesnt always apply the way you think.
I give you a hint: A cube can be defined by 8 points and it's a very simple structure, right?
If you take away 1 of the points, you have less points but the structure you're left with is more complex.
Symmetry and pattern carry a lot of weight also, it's not always about the number of elements so you can't throw out creativity.
Here's some homework for you:
Which one of the following 2 strings is "simpler":
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
1,2,4,9,5,10,8
Posted by m4dg33k  on  Sat Dec 24, 2005  at  11:21 AM
If I were to guess that proprietary blend is most likely close to 100% DMAE. The "magnetitum is essentially magnetized iron" (http://www.magneurol.com/benefits_mind.html) and it's most likely around 10mg.. they wouldnt want people to OD on iron.

Anyone interested in this theory/product just keep your multivitamin close to a magnet before taking it and get some DMAE. Save $49
Posted by m4dg33k  on  Sat Dec 24, 2005  at  11:56 AM
...I think this is great - I mean - marketing the idea that you can increase psychic ability by simply ingesting a pill. It's beautiful. I love pills and placebos. In America, there's a pill for anything and everyone. God Bless the Pharmacy.
Posted by The Blood Eagle  on  Tue Dec 27, 2005  at  04:43 PM
to me m4dg33k makes total sense since hes obviously done his homework and is quite familiar with esp, quite recently this is becoming more popular becuz it is actually attainable and were all born with it, we just have to open, i mean it does take a lot of special exercises and time (like years) but is very possible, we do have a part in our brain that subconsciously scans the environment 24/7 and this is one of the "6th senses" that we have, also it relatively easy to actually move the arrow on a compass even for a beginner, and moving a cup across a table is harder then actually lifting it thru esp, why? study physics and youll know friction is a force. By the way to advance/evolve you must first accept that its or anything is possible, once youve done that, you can go on to striving for the goal you wish, for example you keep saying ur gonna do bad on an example, you probly will.
Posted by IgnoranceIsBliss  on  Tue Dec 27, 2005  at  10:44 PM
IgnoranceIsBliss said:

"we do have a part in our brain that subconsciously scans the environment 24/7 and this is one of the "6th senses" that we have, also it relatively easy to actually move the arrow on a compass even for a beginner, and moving a cup across a table is harder then actually lifting it thru esp,"

Oh? What part of the brain would that be? Can it be seen by a CAT scan or MRI? If not, how do you know it exists?

By the way, IIB, if you can move a teacup using only ESP [sic], there is a Million Dollar Prize just waiting for you to take it. Are you up to the challenge?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Wed Dec 28, 2005  at  01:00 AM
i will attest that there are things in this world that are unknown to science and that there are even things that will never be known. are there alternate realities? orther worlds inhabited by sentient beings? i think its a possiblity. is ESP real? maybe. i agree that without scientific proof it holds no weight either way it goes. i believe in having an open mind and for all thats worth anyone who would think that there is a magic pill for this is gullible as hell. that said, more than likely, if there were some part of the human mind that could perform these acts or sense these things, it would have to be exercised to be hightened. theres no magic pill to give you rock hard abs (although many people like to think there is) this doesnt boil down anything other than a steaming pile of bullshit. arguing over the finer points of razor logic isnt going to prove or disprove anything. buying this and testing it isnt going to prove anything because even if you take it and disprove to yourself that its fraudulent, there are 20 thousand other idiots out there who wont listen to you. and even if they did, you still gave them your 49 bucks. way to go if you wanted to fan the flames.. its total crap..
Posted by FoxPhyre  on  Thu Jan 05, 2006  at  03:04 AM
well i'm glad there is no fundamental theorem of life that would automatically deny the existence of something new... the rest is up to everyone's personal approach: from poor gullible guinea pig and rich meditate all day delusional vegan to the most skeptical person and everyone in between.

speaking of pills and muscles, how does the discovery of steroids back in 1930s come into play here? I can picture many narrow minded retards before the discovery giving the "no shortcuts, only hard work" speech.
Posted by m4dg33k  on  Thu Jan 05, 2006  at  05:16 PM
The Equinox are listening
Posted by WW  on  Sat Jan 07, 2006  at  10:59 PM
hey lets end the discussion with, if it sounds crazy who cares, and if u haven't tried the product don't knock it, cuz what sounds even crazier then a pill that may give psychic abilities finally after millions of years in creation is god...now isn't that crazy to believe in something u haven't seen, spoken to or touched in your entire existance..but why believe? cuz he was advertised, a book told u he exsists and to believe so then u did, now an ad for a simple pill u have a choice to purchase or not to purchase sounds crazy? ha! hypocrits.
Posted by TheOne  on  Sun Jan 15, 2006  at  10:48 PM
TheOne said:

"then a pill that may give psychic abilities finally after millions of years in creation is god"

Well, I wouldn't say believing in God is "crazy." I would call it irrational.

Your logic here seems to be "if something is crazier than the thing in question, then the thing in question isn't crazy." That doesn't make sense. There can be more than one "crazy" thing in circulation at once. Belief or non-belief in God has no relevance to the a pill that allegedly increases ESP. The pill is quackery, pure and simple.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Mon Jan 16, 2006  at  12:16 AM
For all you guys that want to spout about the big $1,000,000 reward for proving psionics, and "How could it be true if no one proved it yet in a lab for all that money???" It isn't nearly that simple. They require a SINGLE person to demonstrate ALL the various fields of psionics. There have been instances under close lab supervision where someone broke a key (not his own, one provided for him) and of course, they wrote it off as being a possible illusion, although how the hell could it be an illusion in a lab? OK, even if you think it was, that does not explain when the person could draw pictures very simular to pictures the scientists drew that day without the person physically seeing the picture. Also, most people that can do these things are too secure with themselves to give a fuck what others think, so they don't care if you believe or not. And yes, throughout history people who didn't want to accept new ideas HAVE held us back, think about the 50's, everyone just wanted to keep everything the way it was, and never change anything, and thus racism, bigotry, and ignorance, and that would have surely been simpler. Basically for cranky's "logic" about the razor, if it can be called that, is held only in theory. New ideas do cause change, when prehistoric hunters used spears to kill things, and suddenly one of them decided to use a bow, what happened? That person's whole tribe took it up, and then that tribe killed off all their rival tribes and got more meat. What do ya know? One of a million examples where complexity causes progress. But if Cranky were a neanderthal back them, him and his tribe would be trying to kill with the good ol' simple shaft and point, why change simplicity if it works? Socoms Razor right? Simple. This is why: Because the tribes that took advantage of the more complex method weren't eliminated by the theoritcal "razor", instead THEY eliminated the half-witted spear wielders who couldn't grasp or use new ideas, I can just see the bloodbath as hundreds of swift arrows rained upon the losers of human lineage, elimination by natural selection. Keep in mind if you want to argue on the side of simplicity for progress that you should be prepared to take a spear against a bow, you would die as fast as the meaningfulness of your arguement.
Posted by SimpletonSmasher  on  Thu Jan 26, 2006  at  10:07 PM
SimpletonSmasher said:

Your logic is very flawed. What it seems to boil down to is the notion that because something, somewhere was doubted by people but later turned out to be correct, we should simply accept the reality of another, completely unrelated idea. That makes NO sense.

"But if Cranky were a neanderthal back them, him and his tribe would be trying to kill with the good ol' simple shaft and point."

Do you know ANYONE who doubts the efficacy of a pointed object as a weapon? What law of physics does that violate? The things I and others on this board argue with are ones which seem to violate known laws of physics and for which there is little or no evidence.

Time and time again, people like you come on here with this silly "argument" about how something, somewhere was doubted by someone and it later was proven correct, therefore the thing currently under discussion must also be real. Time and time again, we skeptics refute this false argument. Seriously, do you not see the fallacy in this line of thinking?

Yes, many years ago, a lot of people didn't believe that the Earth was round. Yes, we now know that the Earth IS round. That, however, in no way proves that Troy Hurtubise has invented a machine that can see through solid objects or that Sylvia Browne can talk to the dead or any of the other dubious things we discuss here. The burden of proof, now and always, is on the person who is proposing an extraordinary idea. In layman's terms, put up or shut up.

If things can do what their proponents claim, then they should be able to do those things under scientific testing. If they can't, there is NO reason for a rational person to accept the claims made for them.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Fri Jan 27, 2006  at  01:02 AM
The point most skeptics fail to see is that they are the ones who are first to try to deny and to put an absolute and definite end to the proponent's idea without even looking at it closely. This is a mistake.
The fact that other crazy ideas have been found to be true proves that the skeptic is ignorant if trying to do this.
The person who considers the possibility of it being true does have better chances of getting his genes passed on for a longer time.
The marketers of this pill are obviously playing on the claimed results outweighing the serious lack of proper scientific evidence and still generate sales.
The sales grow if word of mouth is positive and die if not. Worst case it's just an overpriced multivitamin.

It can take 3-5 years to properly test and get conclusive results on drugs. If some independent feedback would start to show up in significant amount and if it would describe spectacular effects (more than the effects of DMAE combined with B complex), that would keep me interested..
but there's nothing and time is against the magneurol team.
They may be well intentioned delusional people though, maybe Mr Peppin has listened to one too many of his brain entrainment tracks and has become too spaced out and got conned into marketting this thing.
Posted by m4dg33k  on  Fri Jan 27, 2006  at  05:30 PM
m4dg33k said:

"The point most skeptics fail to see is that they are the ones who are first to try to deny and to put an absolute and definite end to the proponent's idea without even looking at it closely. This is a mistake.
The fact that other crazy ideas have been found to be true proves that the skeptic is ignorant if trying to do this."

This is absolute nonsense. A thing can either do what is claimed for it or it can't. It's that simple. We're not failing to consider the claims, we're asking that they be tested. What isn't fair about that?

You would like us to accept the claims at face value without any evidence. Sorry, that ain't gonna happen. Nor should it.

What we believe is not relevant to whether the thing in question is real or not. It either is or it isn't and that can be determined through testing. I'll say it again: it all comes down to "put up or shut up."
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sat Jan 28, 2006  at  12:40 AM
Cranky, you're so bound on putting an absolute end to this idea... you're reaching dude.
It would be a good start for you to stop refering to yourself as 'we'. It's an open discussion so anyone in your gang can post independently if there is indeed anyone else.
Or maybe you're trying to give your statements more power by creating the illusion of having more people backing them up...

It is sad to see people who try to generalize beyond reason, this is a truly sad display of ignorance.
I wouldn't want to know what your girlfriend is like if you used the same criteria to pick her up... put up or shut up?!?!?
What happened to the razor? you dropped it and picked this new 'put up or shut up' gem.
It's people who have a serious problem that try to fit everything in a mold and basicaly apply the same criteria for everything. It allows them to minimize intellectual effort and just enjoy a state of vegetative bliss. Does thinking and exploring various possibilities cause you pain?
Wow!
What I realized is that you cannot even understand a statement unless it's in absolutes... The fact that other crazy ideas have been proved to be true does not automatically mean that the idea at hand is true. I doubt anyone implied this..
This simply proves that the possibility of it being true is real and that no ignorant criteria can ever deny it.
Posted by m4dg33k  on  Sun Jan 29, 2006  at  03:19 PM
Cranky, you're so bound on putting an absolute end to this idea... you're reaching dude.
It would be a good start for you to stop refering to yourself as 'we'. It's an open discussion so anyone in your gang can post independently if there is indeed anyone else.
Or maybe you're trying to give your statements more power by creating the illusion of having more people backing them up...

It is sad to see people who try to generalize beyond reason, this is a truly sad display of ignorance.
I wouldn't want to know what your girlfriend is like if you used the same criteria to pick her up... put up or shut up?!?!?
What happened to the razor? you dropped it and picked this new 'put up or shut up' gem.
It's people who have a serious problem that try to fit everything in a mold and basicaly apply the same criteria for everything. It allows them to minimize intellectual effort and just enjoy a state of vegetative bliss. Does thinking and exploring various possibilities cause you pain?
Wow!
What I realized is that you cannot even understand a statement unless it's in absolutes... which is just another sign of deeply rooted ignorance. The fact that other crazy ideas have been proved to be true does not automatically mean that the idea at hand is true. I doubt anyone implied this..
This simply proves that the possibility of it being true is real and that no ignorant criteria can ever deny it.
Posted by m4dg33k  on  Sun Jan 29, 2006  at  03:22 PM
Hmm, let's see, m4dg33k. YOU'RE the one who is proposing that a pill can "increase a person's ESP ability" and I'M the one who's reaching? Fascinating.

Let me say this as simply as easily understood as possible. You are supporting claims which violate the known laws of physics. The burden of proof is on you. Without any actual scientific evidence that this pill works, there is NO rational reason to believe that it does.

As far as Occam's Razor goes, I've applied it correctly here. There are two possibilities in this case. The first is that someone has come up with a pill which,unlike any other pill ever invented, cam increase a person's ESP ability, something which has never been proven to exist in the first place and which, if it did, would violate the known laws of physics. The second possibility is that this pill is bullshit.

I vote for Possibility Number Two in accordance with Occam's Razor. Any thing else I can clear up for you?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Sun Jan 29, 2006  at  11:49 PM
So there's no 'we'.. that's the only thing I was curious about, nothing else to clear up for me.

I just cant help but notice you see the world in black and white and you cannot allow the minimal discomfort of a small possibility threatening your perfect world.
You are so OCD that you throw everything but the kitchen sink in just to make this possibility disappear.
You interpret people who consider this small possibility as people who promote the actual idea; this is a sign of paranoia. Unhealthy, especialy when signs of multiple personality disorder are also noticeable.
Just enjoy your overwhelming chance of being right and let time take care of the small possibility.
I dont encourage anyone to buy this product just in case anyone misunderstood my comments or read only Cranky's twisted interpretation.

Oh, I just remembered someone said something about nothing being in contradiction with the laws of physics only in contradiction with what we know about the laws of physics.
Do you claim to know everything? or do you think there is a scientist or a group of scientists that does?
These are rhetorical questions by the way, I dont expect you to answer...
Posted by m4dg33k  on  Tue Jan 31, 2006  at  05:17 PM
Yes, m4dg33k, I DO know everything! In fact, I'm considering applying for the million dollar prize for proving the existance of God. After all, all I'd have to do is just show up!

One of the many many things I know is that people make all kinds of oddball claims for a lot of things and that most of them are B.S. One of those things is pills that can improve your ESP ability.

You seem to think I'm "closed-minded." I guess I should just accept the concept of flying pigs (or its equivalent) so that I'm not perceived as "closed-minded," but since I'm omniscient and all, I just KNOW that they aren't aerodynamic so I don't believe in them.

Hmm, maybe I should rethink this. OK, I've rethought it. From this moment on, I will accept at face value every cockamamie thing that anyone proposes just so that I can't be called "closed-minded" by anyone. There IS a God. Troy Hurtubise really DID invent a machine that can let you see through solid surfaces. Sylvia Browne CAN communicate with the dead. There WERE weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I no longer require evidence of anything. If I want to believe it, I just do. Facts? Who needs 'em? Laws of physics? Bah. They just get in the way of believing in fun stuff.

As of this moment, I believe everything and doubt nothing, nor do I require that anyone prove anything, no matter how bizarre it might be. Wow, what a wonderful world I've just discovered. Where do I send my money for a lifetime supply of Magnuerol?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Wed Feb 01, 2006  at  06:18 AM
Oh, I just remembered someone said something about nothing being in contradiction with the laws of physics only in contradiction with what we know about the laws of physics.


This is such a bullshit statement. Any claim whatsoever can fall into this category. As such, it has no meaning.

If you change the known laws of physics, then you have to prove it to us. Otherwise, we're entitled to completely discount your claims. If you don't like it, create a working set of physics of your own. One that stands up to repeated observation and experimentation like the one we currently have does, and also includes all we already know about how the universe works..

It's called 'being discriminating'. It means being able to demand proof, or at least evidence, before accepting something so extraordinary. It means not blindly accepting every crackpost theory you come across. Try it sometime.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Wed Feb 01, 2006  at  09:58 AM
Well Actually magneurol Works pretty well I have Some Video's it made me develope Telekinesis alot better here go here to see my vids 2 very top ones. http://www.psipog.net/media.php
Posted by JoeT  on  Mon Feb 13, 2006  at  07:07 PM
Nice magic tricks JoeT, but I've seen them done better.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Tue Feb 14, 2006  at  09:14 AM
One question... If magneurol doesnt work, why would they offer a complete satisfaction 100% money back gaurantee? Why invest the hundreds of thousands of dollars in start up costs, production and labor for a product that would just get returned?

Cranky media guy is by far the most ignorant person I have ever had the misfortune of coming across. There are a lot of things in this world that do not align themselves with scientific reasoning. It doesnt matter that pigs arent aerodynamic, neither is the bumble bee, according to physics there is no way for the bumble bee to achieve enough lift to get off the ground, yet it does. There is no way of explaining why the human brain, or any brain for that matter, can achieve thought. While science can prove that cells and neurons are stimulated and send and recieve messages, science has not yet been able to determine what starts the overall process.

Quantam Physics has determined that our universe does not function correctly. It functions according to a structure that has 10x the mass of what we are aware of. Which proves that we are not aware of everything.

I intend on either proving or disproving this product once and for all. In 8-10 business days I will have a bottle waiting in my mailbox. You will here from me then. With a money back garantee I have nothing to lose, except having to read through these idiotic comments from people who spend too much time watching movies like broke back mountain...
Posted by Astral Ninja  on  Thu Feb 23, 2006  at  08:38 AM
Just because they offer a 100% money back guarantee doesn't mean they'll actually pay up. The money back guarantee has been a much abused scam for ages. And even if they do pay up, the chances are that most people won't even bother requesting it.

There are a lot of things in this world that do not align themselves with scientific reasoning.

And we discount those as well.

It doesnt matter that pigs arent aerodynamic, neither is the bumble bee, according to physics there is no way for the bumble bee to achieve enough lift to get off the ground, yet it does.

False. Science has shown perfectly well how that bee can fly. Try reading a science magazine instead of a new age one, for a change.

There is no way of explaining why the human brain, or any brain for that matter, can achieve thought. While science can prove that cells and neurons are stimulated and send and recieve messages, science has not yet been able to determine what starts the overall process.

True. Does this mean that every crackpot theory or snake oil being promoted is correct? Of course not. Just because science doesn't understand something doesn't mean that everything (for which there is no evidence whatsoever) is automatically true. What we do know about the brain and how it functions has been discovered using the scientific method. So, provide us some evidence that this pill works as promised.

Quantam Physics has determined that our universe does not function correctly. It functions according to a structure that has 10x the mass of what we are aware of. Which proves that we are not aware of everything.

Um, no. While there may be theories that suggest this, there is no one that promotes this as a true statement. Besides, what does this have to do with ESP?

I intend on either proving or disproving this product once and for all. In 8-10 business days I will have a bottle waiting in my mailbox. You will here from me then. With a money back garantee I have nothing to lose, except having to read through these idiotic comments from people who spend too much time watching movies like broke back mountain...

Sorry, but your experience with and evaluation of the product is completely meaningless. Nobody cares what you think you experienced taking these pills. What we want is a scientifically valid series of experiments done, and the results presented to us. Then maybe we'll take it more seriously. Until then (which will never happen) we'll call them liars.

The point of all of this is - Put up or shut up.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Thu Feb 23, 2006  at  09:01 AM
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