Most people think the musician Jim Morrison, lead singer for the
Doors, died in Paris on July 3, 1971. But
Gerald Pitts says that he "discovered Jim Morrison Living on a Ranch in the Pacific Northwest in the summer of 1998." According to him, Morrison is living a quiet life as an American cowboy "away from the Hollywood scene." Even though Morrison evidently engineered an elaborate death hoax to escape publicity, he agreed to appear on film for Pitts. You can buy a copy of this film for only $24.95 (shipping is extra). Pitts' site includes a video comparing the features of Jim Morrison the fifty-something cowboy to Jim Morrison the twenty-something singer. However, no matter how many times I watch the video, I just don't see any similarity.
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http://articles.latimes.com/1988-02-22/local/me-29919_1_motel-room
This post is about a informative as the 200 before it.Paster agrees with me!
I probably share the same doubts as you..I have spoken about them to JLiz personally,and many times on this site, and he is aware of them and seems to respect them. Apart from seeming to be a good "bloke", he has quite obviously put his money and personal reputation on the line for what he and many others percieve to be the truth.
I must respect that and so should you..not in a "believe it or not" kind of way; but in the spirit of trust. I suspect that if JLizzard feels that he has been wrong all this time, he will be the first to admit it, without any discredit to him.
However if he is right! then I hope that all the detractors, including myself, will line up to place a laurel wreath on his head as a victor. He's in an impossible situation right now..proof..non proof..DNA analysis and God knows what else. As my Granny used to say.."All will out with the wash"..meaning that the truth will be obvious one day.
Cheers all ..Night John
Andrew
Do some research of your own. I recommend melissadata.com and the whitepages,how easy is that?Call his neighbors, which you can do if you know how to utilize the internet for more than barnyard love,myspace and dead rockstars. Plug in their names, see what you find.
William James Loyer of Eagle Point, Oregon is simply that, a normal person like you and me. The only difference is.....he has some wacko Jlizard plastering his image online.
Wake up. I can't believe you people even entertain this delusional fuckhead!
Guys, stop swearing and being profane! it diminishes your point of view by about 60% by my standard. My standard isn't particular.. I just don't like hearing it thanx very much ..coolforjomo I refer to you particularly. What exactly is a "fuckhead"? is it a bizzarre erotic tool? or an easy put down?..If you were in my Court I'd rip you apart for using a term like that.
Goodnight all..peace and good will to ALL men is my creed and calling someone a fuckhead pisses me off more than I can stand!
Do you read your posts before pressing submit? Does anyone else see what a loon this man is?!
John isn't. Neither is the newspaper article.
Bill Loyer helped me when I was almost a broken man. The lowest point in my life. Strong and wise, he did'nt even know me.
I don't want to sound like a teacher, but unless you do paragraphs; how on earth do you expect folk to follow your thread?
I've said it before, and obviously I must say it again,,PARAGRAPHS guys please! I'm, dyslexic and a whole segment of text like before almost makes my brain shut down..JLiz I had to go back to your text word by word. My brain sort of short fuses in that situation. I only knew something was wrong when my Wife called an ambulance.I felt ok but I couldn't even remember my name at that point.
I'm okay now, but please guys , write on this site in regular paragraphs..I'm asking as a favour..John I'll mail you separately to try to explain.
Cheers
Andrew
It's a question of wait and see isn't it? Do you think that Bill is Jim? Or is he just a nice guy who helped you.
I had an uplifting experience in 1979 when I first visited his grave as a teen..having said that I wept at Oscar Wilds grave..at Jims I laid a joint...at Oscars I laid a lilly from the florist shop near the top gateway. At this moment I feel as close to death as a human being could! my siezure has left me as a sort of ethereal being. I exist for now. And in this moment I bid you adieu!..JLiz I'll mail you.
Catch up with you soonest. I have loads of work to catch up having spent a few days in the sun driving 150bhp dune buggys in the Sahara Dessert...awesome fun..now back home.
JLiz can I repeat one thing? paragraphs help me loads..my eyesight isn't that good (I'll mail you privatly anyway) I just find solid blocks of writing very hard to read.
Cheers everyone.
Andrew
I've just bought a massive house in the French Pyrenees, nearly 3000 feet above sea level..Its full of spiders right now..but I'm turning into a retreat for aged Rock Stars to crash out in. JLiz is welcome too.
I'm stopping being a lawyer soon, so if you have any general legal questions ask now..I'll be retiring in January at the latest! I'm 48 and have plenty of money to survive on.
John, Can I come and meet Bill? can I contribute at all?..I'll mail you privately anyway..
Cheers
Thank you for always sharing your wit, humor and enthusisam. Congratulations on your decision to retire as an attorney. I'm already planning for the party!
Just got my copy of Wilderness so I'll be busy with nose to papel myself. Still looking forward to your emails. The world needs to know bro.
We need to kick this web page up a gear or two..it's all getting way too lovey right now. I propose a solution to this discussion.. (I don't want to say arguement) I say that Jim Morrison is alive and kicking..You say Jim is dead and mouldering in his grave...rather like John Brown.
JLizz knows my point of view and enters into healthy debate with me; I don't agree with him all the time..and for sure he picks me up from time to time..that is the value of debate.
Folks..listen to JLizzard on YouTube..you're in for a nice surprise..an articulate pleasant man..who I hope to meet one day.
Cheers JLizzard..Keep me posted if you can..
Cheers J
Andrew
Thanks for the kind words. You know, we just yap here like a bunch of old woman, the workhorse in this whole mess is still Cliff Morrison. After winning a couple of the most prestigious awards last year, Cliff and the Lizard Sun Band simply entertained at this one at the ever so historic Whisky A Go-Go 8.
Here's writer Dave Gamboa's website mentioning Cliff:
http://www.davegamboa.com/news.html
A website with Shane O'Brien:
http://eventful.com/westhollywood/events/shane-obrien-nominee_-19th-annual-l-music-/E0-001-023277300-3
And
http://www.topix.com/forum/who/jim-morrison/TTUKARNDVQD6CTULV/p4#lastPost
which features our long lost friend's article nonstoptonowhere...
Cliff is the one doing the deal in the same wicked industry that his father did. We are all on the sidelines cheering, but if the Jim Morrison story will ever come to public light I'm sure we will have Cliff to thank.
Paternity suit: Why do people think that some kid of Jim would want to sue his estate? That is how you think. Not how everybody thinks.
He probably has a ton of kids. There were a lot of paternity suits.
Jim's body is not in his grave. Just not there. Do the nostradamus thing and dig it up. Lol.
Him showing himself: why? Jim doesn't think like you do. Anyway, he doesn't have to show himself when he can create fake personalities online with elaborate legends and screw with you. Lol.
He writes his own disinformation. Some - "some" - of the most elaborate and absurd conspiracy theories he wrote... probably just to increase the size of the "labyrinth". Anyway, what is anyone looking for? Answers to what?
I see there are some caring people really searching for the truth and sensitively handling information, so apologies for my off the cuff comments -- not directed at such people.
I applaud that. So, some things to help you in your quest... and you should look. Because there is a lot to Jim that can enrich your life...
Jim is very smart and can not be second guessed. He is very good at method acting and posts online on such subjects. He can be sarcastic or joke around, he can write in a wide variety of forms. He probably would contact anyone serious about looking for him, if they are not just looking to make a fast buck. If they really want to understand something "more".
He would be careful and make sure his fake identities have plausible backgrounds. Sometimes.
There really is no way to know where Jim might be or who he might be, especially online. You have to suspect anyone. And try and understand the "real Jim"... the guy behind the mask.
The rabbit hole is long and deep. 'You won't know a thing until you get inside'.
Surprised that you didn't mention the guy we are talking about, who shares your surname- William Loyer. I find your evasive writing style most appealing.
Like most, sometimes I think the Holy Grail to this whole endeavor is to prove to Jim's true fan that he did fake his death. How cool would it be to see Manzarek shed some crocodile tears on national tv while fessing up that he knew Bill Loyer was Jim Morrison all along but couldn't tell anyone because he so truly longed for the show to go on.
For the most part though, I think the jewels of this project are scattered. For some it may come as a teaching not to give up on someone, especially someone you love.
For others it is a priceless awakening as to how ruthless the remaining Doors, Alan Graham, Cliff Morrison's former agent, and talk show celebrities like Coast to Coast and Inside Edition could really be. Never trust anyone over 30- 30 million in net assets.
For those who love literature, they might have found a hidden admiration that Loyer had for Oscar Wilde and see Jim Morrison as his emboding Dorian Gray.
Or Bill Loyer's subtle admiration for Walt Whitman. Bruce Springsteen had like one picture of himself in a long sleeve white shirt and Jim Cullen wrote a book uniting Bruce with Whitman. I contacted my Facebook friend and asked how he didn't mention Jim's influence on Bruce or Whitman's influence on Jim and Cullen said he didn't notice any.
So William, if you feel there really is something in it for you and like you said not just a quick buck, that's what we're here for, to share our thoughts. If you just want to use this as a forum to display your humor and wit, hey that's cool too.
On uhm, William Loyer sharing my surname, hey, I had it first! Lol. I did mention him, however. It looks and sounds like Jim. Whether he is really coming out or what Jim is doing with this or where he is going with it... no idea. Jim is a complex guy.
I think Jim finds value in many things. Dorian Gray is an awesome story. Jim definitely ages very well. I think that is due to his deeply positive attitude and spirituality.
I hate that Jim has the appearance of a mask, but someone like that is so complex. And Jim spoke a lot about masks and roles. We play roles, but should not get stuck in them. We are more then any role we play.
I like to think Jim has a lot of true fans. His message means a lot to a lot of people, I think.
I like to think on his poetry... leaving improved sense in one's "wake". Improved sense.
One thing about Jim is he appears many ways but he is always, always working for people's betterment. Very hard to see. He is so clever. But, people resist change if they see it coming, I suppose.
BTW, seeing that one guy say Bill Loyer helped him out when he was down on his luck... that should tell you it is Jim.
Most people wouldn't.
Jim always considers the regular people.
But look at the guy's facial structure. Definitely Jim. Yes, different nose and maybe lips have been changed. But the cheek bones and everything else.
As for the video, if it doesn't appear "as Jim", how would they know, though? Jim doesn't have the same mannerisms as he did in his twenties? People did facial comparisons.
You know it.
And sad to say so many don't care... but then, what do they care about? Going as an unquestioning soldier from the cradle to the grave, never asking for anything more out of life... and never getting it.
As for the clowns and creeps in this parade... I don't know. They are the ones that really need to learn. I hope they are not singled out as scapegoats.
But maybe they should be. So people can improve.
Yes people are afraid of change as Blind Mellon used to sing. Interesting concept of Jim Morrison and the mask. In a way I don't like it.
Like Alice Cooper, Madonna, Michael Jackson and so many others, Bill Loyer did create, oh and Nietzshe's Zarathustra right, Bill did create Jim Morrison and too as in that picture of him in the theatre with a Smuther's Brother, looks at the stage and professes to analyze Jim's theatrics. But can he?
Halloween only comes once a year. The famous "lion pose" seems like Jim's perfect "mask". But even when Jim really got maced and arrested on stage seems like there was a "mask" that didn't come down. Is it the Shamin, an Unknown Soldier, something sacred from the reptilian occult, or an invisible spirit that transcends Catholicism- when Jim's mask comes down we are left more mystified than ever.
I think he is genuine and empathic all the time.
The mask is other's making. Our own inability to see the man for who he really is.
We all have moods, different aspects of our personalities. We are like a river, dynamic. Jim taught that constantly. And was extremely anti-"mask", anti-fake.
There was a perception of a persona... but I see that just as a means of communication. Signs & symbols of the language of being.
There is such a thing as a true metaphor, one could even say a true lie. We use words all the time and someone's words may appear similar, but maybe their intention is completely different. They have good motives instead of bad for the other person. And they are comfortable not being afraid to appear as the villain, because they know morality ultimately is so much deeper then what people meagerly perceive.
We may wear various hats and uniforms... we may play various roles. But we are always, always who we really are -- if we have gotten beyond those roles, those hats, those uniforms... gotten beyond them and not let them kill us. Kill us with static beliefs, take away the "being now". (As opposed to not really living, living in the past and future and not for today.)
We can be brick masons, as William was I think it was said, or carpenters, or mechanics, or doctors, or lawyers... but that is not who we are. Who we are shines through that. Or it should. If we are to be truly alive.
And just because he has horses or gave some background story does not mean it is the whole story.
It isn't. Not at all. And not many people know that, but some do. And there is a very good reason they say nothing.
I don't know why Jim allowed himself to be photographed. But that is clearly him.
Jim is Mr Mysterious. Mysteries have to do with some information given, some kept back.
People just do not understand.
They are asleep.
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(Hey man,you want girls,pills,grass? this place has everything c'mon i show you) LOL
Regards,
(Hey man,you want girls,pills,grass? this place has everything c'mon i show you) LOL>>
Everybody wants the red pill, nobody wants the blue pill...
Inside the Mayan pyramids are alien bombs set to detonate if the world does not get better by 2012. Jim Morrison is really an alien from outerspace. Definitely.
I say this to make myself appear more believable.
LOL.
Believe me... take my hand... the aliens are coming, Jim Morrison is alive... see how persuasive I am... what is true & what is false?
Someone mentioned they should dig up Mr Mojo Risin's body, someone else mentioned just doing sonar. It ain't there. People have been dancing on an empty grave.
I am Jim's son, one of them, anyway. And I have a trust fund, so fuck you. I don't give a fuck if you shits want DNA. All of you just want Jim to be dead, you are shit vultures.
Clearly, he is not dead and you don't care.
As for Cliff, no idea. Looks and sounds like a son, but has some way to go.
A lot of people looove to talk about how they know Jim, and can speak for him. And they don't, they are liars and scumbags who don't understand him in the least.
The interviews and biographies, his bodyguard and Pamela understood and understands him the best. These others are flakes, traitors, liars. They just feed on his light and refuse to acknowledge him.
Last thing they want is for him to be alive.
Dare he contradict them.
All these people celebrating at his tomb... what are they really doing? Celebrating that he is dead and glad he isn't alive.
Utter scumbags.
Well, Jim is alive. And the clock is ticking.
Many folk think that poor Andrew is Jim..why this absurd assumtion.. I have expressed my views with regards to my life..I am a lawyer..nothing more.
John help me out here please, you know that Bill is the guy you all want to know.. John I'm not that guy from your childhood..I wish I was my friend as we could have helped each other.
Agnes from Maine your mother loved you whatever you thought of her.. 142..my dog just disturbed me..what is 142?..I'm going to bed..goognight..I'm must prepare. Night all
relax hands down
Stop using LSD people, please.
I think Jim may be alive, but don't have evidence for it. Hasn't anyone even bothered to make a website around this? Only real reason I have seen his friends have said he "couldn't be dead" is because "he would never leave Pam to that misery" and her misery was real.
But faking two deaths is a lot harder then one. And she was clearly strong. Anyway, her death, too was very mysterious. And why did the Courson family get the trust fund? Seems fishy.
Also that guy is the spitting image of Jim.
Is there a website anywhere? Has anyone collected all of the evidence and put it in a single place?
Thanks,
Curious Tourist
He went by the name Andrew William Ryuzaki. We called him "Bill". Bill Loyer is definitely Jim Morrison!!! Good news!!
I get it. He liked word games. Loyer/Lawyer.
He told me at ministry meeting with geishas after a looooot of Sake! Ha hah hah hah.
His wife's name was Martha, not Marsha. He is master of disguise and had many aliases. He said he became lawyer because he had legal problems and it interested him in the law.
He helped us solve difficult case here. He was very good at creating mazes of deception to help him in his job.
I agree!!
Poor people with father complex.
They need more sake.
He said he had a son. Terminal illness. Brain cloud. I do not know if he was joking. I never heard of a "brain cloud" before. Bill had diabetes. Caused dark circles under his eyes.
Insomniac, I think.
My father met Jim Morrison after he supposedly "died". He was in Alaska fishing with his father, George. My dad explained that Jim wanted to be alone and was very upset over a tragic accident that happened in Texas. In 1970.
That was why Jim was so upset. He gave out a lot of disinformation to cover it all up. "Money beats soul", Jim always said. Hands down.
Jim often joked that he was really a spy. Hence the slam against hippies in Five to One, and also the statement about having to go away and get into a car with some men. His dad was high in the Navy and Robby's dad was president of the supersecret Rand corporation.
This supersecret organization operates globally. It was in existence back to the founding of the country. It is loosely related to the Masons. The members work by winks and nods and many other means. Some work in various other government agencies where they hold plausible cover. The famous book "Roosevelt's Secret War" spoke about this, as well as the book "Deceiving Hitler".
The CIA was created from the CIG and OSS. Nobody creates an open spy agency accountable to the senate and president. Bill Donovan and co-horts did this so they would have a plausible cover.
All of this is vastly unbelievable and covered up by mountains of disinformation. Nobody would believe the truth if it is constantly countered with disinformation. Most memoirs from NSA, CIA, FBI are selective with what they say. Many very true, but real facts either lied about or not there.
Jim Morrison was said to travel internationally alone a lot. The guy from the Gong Show worked with him. He wrote about their escapades in their book.
Jim's drunkeness and drug use all a disguise. He even admitted this. No one thought he would be so successful. That caused a ton of problems.
The conspiracy stays alive because only a very few know the full scope of it. Others think their "off the books" work is with one agency of another. They are never told. Ben Franklin spoke of this when he said, "Three people can keep a secret, if two of them are dead".
Also, aliens are behind it. Look up Tex Marrs and Obama about to come out with the REAL FACTS on Area 51!!!